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Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?

from Thunder7 - Wednesday, September 28, 2005
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I've copied this from http://www.daltonator.net/durandal/religion/satan.shtml . There are a few more interesting topics on that site if any of you have time. Here it is:

Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?

According to Christianity, Satan is the epitome and embodiment of all evil things, described as "the father of all lies" in the Catholic Church's Catechism (paragraph 391). It is his works that tempt humans into doing bad deeds. If something evil occurs, we can be assured that Satan had something to do with it.

The History of Satan

According to Catholicism, Satan only exists because God allows him to ( The Catechism of the Catholic Church , paragraph 395). This raises some serious issues about how righteous God can be if he allows evil to exist, but I digress. Satan, as the story goes, began as the angel Lucifer, who outrightly rejected God and rebelled against him. God cast Lucifer and those who followed him into Hell, a place of eternal torture and despair, where God was not present.
Like any good propoganda machine, Christian authorities have made sure to limit the disenimation of information on the enemy (Satan) to what they want the public to know. For example, we are never told why Satan rebelled against God. We're never given his side of the story. Were Satan's reasons for rejecting God and attempting to overthrow him legitimate? From where I'm standing, they could certainly be considered valid if the authorities see fit to hide them from the general public.

For example, the Catechism of the Catholic Church , the book that outlines Catholic beliefs in detail, has barely half a column in its index devoted to Satan and information on him, where as Jesus Christ has a full 6 pages ! Sound like a propoganda machine to you, yet?

Christian authorities have made some big mistakes with their anti-Satan propoganda machine, however. Since there is so little information available about Satan, there is no record of anything he's done or any way to connect events to him. Christians simply and lazily accredit evil occurences to Satan. A good example are the events of September 11. Within weeks, a doctored picture was floating around the internet showing Satan's face in the clouds of smoke and debris eminating from the two towers, thus unfairly making Satan out to be responsible for these tragedies.

Satan vs. God

The only evidence we have to conclude Satan's utter evil is God's word, and frankly, God's word isn't worth too much. He's shown a remarkable inconsistency in his actions and words, and he's hardly above lying or dishonest conduct. Straight after giving Moses the first set of Ten Commandments (which included "Thou shalt not kill"), he let Moses go ahead and order the Levites to go on a mass-murdering rampages, which they did, but only after he talked God out of killing all the people! According to 2 Thessolonians 2:11-12, God will send a strong illusion to people so that they will believe lies, so he can condemn everyone to Hell. After giving Moses the Ten Commandments, God orchestrated a litany of atrocities through isoltated commandments that are simply too great in number to list here. I suggest checking out the The Skeptic's Annotated Bible to see for yourself, specifically this section. These events are detailed in Exodus 32. In 2 Chronicles 18:22, God lies to prophets. Why should anyone take his word at face value if he has no problem with lying to us for no reason other than to have an excuse to condemn us to Hell?

Who's more evil? God or Satan? How can we determine this? Well, it's a simple matter of looking at the actions of both God and Satan. Who's commited more evil acts? Who's done more harm to humanity? Who's been the most oppressive? Is Satan really as bad as the Christian Smear Campaign makes him out to be? Let's find out...

God
* God takes away Adam and Eve's eternal life, thus commiting the first murder, and holds their descendants responsible and visiting Adam and Eve's punishment down on their children. In today's moral standards, the sins of the father die with the father.
* God destroys all life on Earth in a great flood, except for a drunk (Noah) and his family, for failing to worship him.
* God's tenth plague upon the Israelites was the unjustified murder of all firstborn sons in Egypt, which undoubtedly included little children.
* Before sending the plagues to Egypt, God "hardened Pharaoh's heart" so that he wouldn't let the Israelites go, so he could have an excuse to visit horrible plagues upon them, like boils, killing cattle and murdering all firstborn sons. (Exodus 4:21)
* God orders the Levites to kill their "every man and his neighnor" for worshipping another god. This cost 3000 lives. (Exodus 32:27)
* God sends a plague to the Israelites, apparently feeling that mass-butchery wasn't enough of a punishment. (Exodus 32:35)
* God kills Onan for refusing to impregnate his late brother's (whom God also slew) wife and instead "spilling his seed on the ground." (Genesis 38:8-10)
* God kills the entire populations of Soddom and Gammorah (again, including women, children and infants) for practicing certain sexual techniques.
* God gives all Philistines hemorrhoids in their pubic areas. (1 Samuel 5:9)
* God kills over 50,000 people for looking at an ark. (1 Samuel 6:19)
* God kills 70,000 people because King David decided to have a census. (1 Chronicles 21:7-14)
* God approves of slavery, and instructs owners to beat their slaves. (Proverbs 29:19)
* And, finally, God makes sure that if you are guilty of even the smallest transgression, you shall suffer endlessly for all eternity, following a dramatic homecoming for Jesus, who will be extremely pissed off at everyone for putting him to death, even though it was just the Romans and even though he knew what was going to happen beforehand, and he could have easily avoided it by using his power as God to perform a miracle and prove who he was. (See the entire book of Revelation)

Satan

* Satan, like Prometheus, gave knowledge to humanity by giving Eve the fruit from the forbidden tree. Because of Satan, humanity gained knowledge of good and evil, according to Genesis. Since we couldn't have possessed knowledge of good and evil before eating the fruit, Adam and Eve couldn't have known that eating the fruit was evil, so it seems a little harsh to punish them as severely as God did. Satan gave humans true capacity for moral judgment, unlike God, who simply expected everyone to mindlessly obey his orders.
* There is no biblical record of Satan engaging in the murder of torture of any human being, unlike God, who is guilty (and proudly guilty) of commiting genocide.
* There is no biblical record of Satan ever ordering someone to kill someone else, unlike God, who has repeatedly demanded the deaths of those who commit even the smallest of offenses.
* Satan will not be holding a massively dramatic ceremony full of blood and death for the return of his son to Earth. God apparently will.

It doesn't take a mathematician to add up and compare God and Satan's respective body counts. God has, after all, killed billions of people in a great flood. Satan never did anything like that. What was the only thing Satan did "wrong"? He rebelled against God, but wouldn't you? Look at what kind of a God he is! He needlessly murders people in nearly every book and passage of the Old Testament! He created an entire race of people for the sole purpose of catoring to his own ego, and then gets mad when we don't live up to our appointed role in life or question one of his decisions! He is a ruthless, dictatorial, narcissistic, sociopathic mass murderer. If I go to Hell for not worshipping him, so much the better. I'd rather spend eternity with Satan, someone who hasn't treated the human race like disposable garbage, someone who has given knowledge to humanity rather than trying to suppress it.

It's time to stop this needless slandering of Satan's name. Satan has done nothing to deserve it. He hasn't killed anyone, publicly exonerated slavery, demanded our worship or threatened us with eternal damnation for not doing his bidding. It is God who is guilty of all these crimes. Satan's done nothing but rebel against a repugnantly unjust authority figure, and he gets eternal damnation and association and blame for all evil on Earth! Meanwhile, Martin Luther King, Jr. gets a holiday named after him, and Satan was far more courageous that King was. After all, Satan stood up to an all powerful narcissist who made it clear that he never would change his mind on any issue. King at least had a democracy to work with. The Christian Smear Campaign toward Satan is completely unwarranted. Maybe, before criticizing Satan, they should look at the God they worship. Is Satan really a bad guy? Certainly not in comparison to God. In fact, I'd much rather have Satan running things. He just can't be worse than God.

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from AndyH
Monday, October 03, 2005 - 01:00

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Brilliant (Satire? I hope not.)

I have often made some of the same arguments against god based upon the same arguments. Racism, sexism, genocide, homicide, patricide, and yet people look at me like I'm nuts for not worshiping this sick fucker.

I have however avoided a commitment to satan, mainly because all the satanists I've met have been total douchebags, fat, gay, drug addicted, and what have you.

But I think your article has opened up something inside of me, an appreciation for Satan, not as a god, but as a role model/example of the price of rebellion and the power of slander. Lets us all take a lesson from Lucifer MorningStar and the bravery he exhibited by rejecting the strongest and most evil force in the universe.

Hail Satan
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From Gothsmack
Tuesday, October 04, 2005, 19:16

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"I have however avoided a commitment to satan, mainly because all the satanists I've met have been total douchebags, fat, gay, drug addicted, and what have you."

Perhaps you have been associating with unsavory Satanists. The type you described sound very much like useless individuals who use the concept of Satan/Satanism to excuse their unproductive way of life. Try looking in a better place. Im sure I could find individuals who are "douchebags, fat, gay or drug addicted" in virtually every strata of society. Besides, what do those people have to do with youir personally beliefs? Its like a catholic saying, "I avoid commitment to God mainly because catholic priests have sexually abused young boys".

Stand for yourself, follow what you think is right, don't be dissuaded by the actions of others who may also subscribe to your beliefs, love your friends and hate your enemies, grovel before whatever god you choose be it Satan or yourself, and you'll make a fine Satanist.

Oh, and above all, enjoy your fucking life cuz its the only one you'll ever have.

Hail Satan(reply to this comment

From the antichrist
Tuesday, February 28, 2006, 10:10

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The difference is this:

Satan is a Fagot

only a God can get all the chicks.

Consider this

if God is God, how did he become God

He must have had to crush a lot of other God-wannbes.

That being said people with an infatuation for satan are usually stuck in some kind of rebellious anti christian state, which is , as far as I am concerned a poor foundation upon which to build one's life - philosophy.(reply to this comment

From AndyH
Tuesday, October 04, 2005, 19:56

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Amen

I meant that I had never considered Satanism, both because of the few I new that I didn't like, and probably also because of so much conditioning against it.

With a newly opened mind, I will check into it, who knows, it might work me.

Hail Satan(reply to this comment

From Gothsmack
Wednesday, October 05, 2005, 16:25

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Satanism is more than a religion, its a brash phylosiphy of rebellion and enlightenment. Its also probably th only religion on the planet that advocates questioning instead of blind belief. I wish you the best on your journey.

Ave Luciferi!(reply to this comment

From Gothsmack
Wednesday, October 05, 2005, 16:28

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Oops, make that "philosophy". lol(reply to this comment

From error
Thursday, October 06, 2005, 03:48

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Satan does not exist

god does not exist

- in any describable fashion.

but we are all gods and satan(reply to this comment

From vixen
Thursday, October 06, 2005, 05:12

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^^^ It follows, then, that god and satan do exist, if only as conflicting faces of the self. (reply to this comment
From AndyH
Monday, October 17, 2005, 18:10

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Ooooh, nicely said.

I feel that believing in Satan would require believing in God, which I don't. I prefer to think of them as stated above, as symbols. God a symbol of tyranny, dishonesty, and conditional love. Satan a symbol of rebellion, honesty, and self actualization. I would have to lean towards the latter.

Hail Satan


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from moon beam
Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 08:30

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LOL Well, history is writen by the winners!
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from Jules
Friday, September 30, 2005 - 17:30

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This is obviously satire, but reminded me of a wonderful rant posted on my favourite website http://www.plastic.com which ended with:

"The christian god is a pyschopath who suffers from short-term memory loss all the NT is saying is that he's taking meds these days and we can rely a little bit more consistency from here on out."

http://www.plastic.com/article.html;sid=05/09/28/13203635;cmt=102#68


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From symiana
Monday, October 17, 2005, 02:55

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This is actually in replying to the first comment I saw on this page. Way up there somewhere, about that article on another website. Itclaims that the bible does not state the reasons why Satan rejected God. It does. It clearly states that he was basically pround of his own power, and jealous of God's position. He experimented and left God because he reasoned that God was lying and hiding something good (sin) from everyone, everyone being the angels at the time. Consequently a third of the other angels followed him. Looks like that article writer is clueless. Clever, but clueless.
My reasoning is that if Satan Thought God was lying and was kicked out of heaven, I'm not going to follow his example. I'm a believer. If God was lying, I really don't care, because if Satan was more powerful he wouldn't gotten on with it and killed God by now. Wouldn't he?

Satanism or the like are "religions" (some ppl prefer not to call it a religion, so I put it that way, whatever) whose main object seems to be to gain enlightenment, accomplishment, and the like. Gaining stuff for yourself. I think you'll find there's two different types of religions, the self-sacrificing ones, and those that are not. I can't trust the ones that don't require anything of me, because it makes me wonder what they could be taking from me behind my back. You know, they could mess with my mind. Just all good good good and no hard stuff repels me, it's a sign of superficiality, of lying. This is going nowhere.
Simply put, I'm born christian and not convinced otherwise yet, so eyah whatever. (reply to this comment
From Bloody-but-UnBowed
Monday, October 17, 2005, 19:32

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So basically you're saying that might equals right, and since "God" can overpower "Satan" he must be right?

That is very primitive reasoning BTW; it's the way children usually think.

What would you have done if you were in Nazi Germany? Did the fact that Hitler could overpower his critics make him right? Did it mean it would have been wise to support him?

Check this link out, these are my heroes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose(reply to this comment

From AndyH
Monday, October 17, 2005, 18:29

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I'm really glad you like a religion that requires self-sacrifice, hard stuff, and not caring if God is a liar. I must say though, I don't understand how you can consider gaining enlightenment and accomplishment a negative in a religion. (reply to this comment
From Miss Ham
Monday, October 17, 2005, 18:28

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"This is actually in replying to the first comment"

"In reply", or "in response", or "I am replying".

"he wouldn't gotten on with it"

"He would have gotten on with it"

Perhaps before calling others "clueless", you should get a clue about the english language. (reply to this comment

From Bellatrix
Saturday, February 04, 2006, 11:14

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Miss ham kindly go fuck yourself(reply to this comment

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