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this Joe is really pathetic, while in the family he used to suck Bergīs d... now out of the cult he has a new Guru, now he's licking Daviditoīs ass. It seems that some people never grow up. ah, Joe, look, in society there is something which is call xenophobia, why do you hate foreigns so much and the way they write? (reply to this comment
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I'm glad that not all "foreigns", (as you say), are like you [P]hillipe, otherwise I would just have to be a xenophobe by default! And BTW, my comment has nothing to do with your awful grammar! A plus tard cochon! (reply to this comment
From Jerseygirl
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That's a rather low accusation (the Berg fellatio refferance). Not that I would ever defend Joe, but please at least show a little dignity and imagination in your insults, remember they do reflect your intellect. (reply to this comment
From JoeH
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There's nothing in my 1 sentence remark about Hamlet's English to indicate that I'm sucking up to Ricky, I don't even know the guy. Your (the first guy and all the rest of you who have jumped in to defend him) English bugged me, and I took the opportunity to make a cheap joke about it. I'm not xenophobic, in fact I speak several languages, but when I write in any of them I check what I'm saying to make sure I'm following the basic rules, or if I'm not very familiar with them, I'll ask someone else who is to check it.

Good English is like good manners, good hygiene, and proper attire - it shows respect not only for yourself, but for those around you as well. (reply to this comment
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It's called Shakespeare's english, not Hamlet's. Hamlet was danish. (reply to this comment
From thepersoniamnow
Friday, January 03, 2003, 22:53

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Yeah but there still is a time to shut the fuck up about it man.
The past 2 weeks thats basically all you`ve written about. Spelling and Grammar.
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From Deranged1
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Joe, good English is indeed "like good manners, good hygiene and proper attire"; however, it's bad manners & unnecessary to publicly point out any of these faults in someone.
Anyone who cares already sees the grammar/spelling errors anyway. (reply to this comment
From Et Tu Dan?
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Hey, I know you like to dig at Joe, but don't tell me you seriously agree with this weirdo who keeps attacking Ricky? (reply to this comment
From estelle
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oh joe your so full of shit. Your joking right? (reply to this comment
From JoeH
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well kind of, I was initially just teasing foreign guy, who I suspect is from SA judging by some of his mistakes, but then when everybody started insulting me I got kind of pissed. Because I may be an asshole about grammar, I've never sucked up to Ricky or his adopted grandfather.

Btw, I'm a lot more forgiving of foreigners who make mistakes in English then I am of Americans who horribly butcher other languages cause they're just too damn lazy or stupid to get it right. Don't ask me why, it just bugs me more. But when that other guy called me "an ignorant" it was pretty damn hilarious. (reply to this comment
From estelle
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Joe, just looked at your profile. That picture of berg is sick, seriously; downwright disgusting. Creeped me out so bad. (reply to this comment
From estelle
Friday, January 03, 2003, 17:59

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oh joe your so full of shit. Your joking right? (reply to this comment
From a friend?
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that your counterarguments are pathetics, i all ready knew it, but this is too much JoeH, i have never seen such an ignorant like you. (reply to this comment
From Sick of Your Shit
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This thread seems to be infested with weird, illogical bullshit from this "Bad Grammar Guy"

By the way, I have nothing against your accent, but going by the content of your posts you are a very annoying person.Also "Phillipe" is what we in America reffer to as a "Really Gay" name.
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From the bad grammar and speller guy !!!
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the main point once again has been put aside, in stead of talking about grammar, gays, and the lack of respect that all of you (but Estelle) show for "non Americans", and that pathetic attitud of xenophobia, why donīt we talk about Ricky, Zerby, Berg, and their behaviour? are we going to spend our time in foolish stuff or are we going to get serious here?

ah, one more thing, who are you Sick... why are you so touchy, is it because you were close to these control freaks while in the cult? (reply to this comment

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he leaves out letters and words, and a little spacing would be nice, but his punctuation is fine. Are you sure you know what punctuation is, Reposter? (reply to this comment
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No, his punctuation is NOT fine. Neither is his spelling. I agreed with his metaphor, but only after I read it 3 times.

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Well his punctuation isn't perfect, but I don't see any errors that are so atrocious as to inhibit comprehension. Could you point them out to me? (reply to this comment
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your such a dork (reply to this comment
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no, YOU'RE such a dork! Learn to spell, you prick! (reply to this comment

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Dearest 7*s...
Being the advertising & marketing executive that you obviously are, surely you must have heard of a concept known as FREE ADVERTISING (think of u'r FFing days).

I hadn't found this section before, & actually went straight past it.

Thanks a bunch christfucker..
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Joe, My guess is that they will not take him back. I am sure that they are as sick of his shit as we all are. (reply to this comment
From *******
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Who ever said anything about me wanting to go back anywhere? I'll decide for myself, if you don't mind, where & when I want to go anywhere & where I feel the Lord may be leading me! As far as going back anywhere, if you please, I'll take the view of David Livingstone who said, "I am ready to go anywhere, provided it be forward".
If you're all as sick of my "shit" (now not only King "Molar's" writing is shit, but now it seems that the "Good Book" from which I've been freely borrowing is about to go onto the same metaphorical dung heap [see comments from "hunter" on the other page to prove my point] as well. Sounds like what almost every dictatorially-headed people [of course many didn't know they were headed for a dictatorship, but since the Bible is the guarantee of the truth, or freedom, all you have to do is remove it & presto--you've lost the "right to be free"] have tried to do with the Word of God since the beginning of time) as cm (you know, the one right before pm) claims you are, then I WILL take "it" elsewhere! I have no more desire to sit here rambling then you claim you are to sit here reading it (of-course you all have the right to walk away at any time--unless you're chained to your computer ["right to be free"??]). Please let me know, Jules since you're the moderator of this site, if you want me to leave, I will--& you won't even have to try to kick me off. Please let me know. Awaiting your response! (reply to this comment
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quit with the fucking moe quotes and this time i add or else (reply to this comment
From Free_Dom_Fighter
Tuesday, July 23, 2002, 06:47

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7*, you go too far. The majority of us (I know I'm just guessing here) have nothing too particular against the Bible ...except when it's presented with your whacked logic and presentation.
And for those who think the Bible IS diseased drivel, well, you give me a lot of reason not to blame them.
Might I suggest severe psychiatric therapy?...or maybe cyanide? (reply to this comment
From £££££££
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Still awaiting your response! (reply to this comment
From ZZZZZZZ
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Jules, if you're online, I'm still awaiting your response! I shall decline to post anything more until I hear from you! Sincerely, ******* (reply to this comment

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PPS. And even if someone does think less of you for it, that's upto them. Every man shall give an account of HIMSELF before God & neither C nor any other letter in the alphabet is going to be able to represent you to Him! You'll have to do that on your own--as will they! (reply to this comment
From The Letter "K"
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7*'s is wrong Ricky, the letter "C" may not be able to represent you to God, but I the letter "K" can interceed on your behalf.

Have faith in the power of the "K's" and nothing shall harm you! (reply to this comment
From *******
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PS. My wages have nothing to do with what I had to say, since God is no respecter of person. I knew & lived with you for awhile (I'm not going to say where right now) & knew you to be a really nice guy! Please don't disappoint me! (reply to this comment
From EyesWideShut
Monday, July 22, 2002, 19:54

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Personally, I think we should all IGNORE this crap-quoting idiot until he can think of himself as something other than seven fucking stars. He doesn't even have a personality, and if he's not going to back up his moronic metaphores with A NAME--even something simple, like SELFRIGHTEOUS BRAINWASHED SPHINXTER BOY, would do--than he doesn't deserve our attention. That is unless you all WANT him to go right on smearing the print with his dribble. (reply to this comment
From Free
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Hey Sunny, guess who this is...why, it's Sly Slim Seductive Simmering Suave Slightly-Syco Steve! (you know the one) :-) ...ya know, this article by Ricky kind of changed my outlook a fair few bits. Call me sometime if you read this, K? (reply to this comment
From *******
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Wouldn't know who this 8 S's is, I'm 7* (read asteriks, not stars--sorry C). (reply to this comment
From ~~~~~~~
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Sorry this is 7*. Jules, have you tried to block me? I told you I'd leave if you just let me know! I beg your pardon C. It was Sunny who made the comparison with the stars, not you. Please forgive me. (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
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*******, you're far to egocentric. The 8 S's were not at all in reference to you. Sorry, *******! (I am tempted to throw in a reference here to a certain discusion on the subject of reading comprehension .... but I guess I already did.) (reply to this comment
From +++++++
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Sorry this is 7* again--Jules, are you trying to block me? Jonnywalker, You're possibly right, however, since the comment in question was in response to a comment about me ( (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Tuesday, July 23, 2002, 05:26

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I might need to check my reading comprehension, as the more I read that 8 S's post the less I comprehend who exactly it's refering to. Free Dom Fighter, enlighten my tortured mind. Please! :) (reply to this comment
From Free_Dom_Fighter
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Hey JohnnieWalker, dude, donít let that fucking wanker 7* mess with your evidently very logical & piercing mind (from what I can make out from the posts from you Iíve seen) -- your prowess at reading comprehension is indeed just fine, unlike that incoherent prick 7*.
The explanation: I wasn't talking to that whiney bitch "7 asterisks" ...I was talking to Sunny, like I said. She's my friend -- I live in Japan and I just went down to visit her recently. I'm still a "CM" Family member at this very point in history, but it was during my visit to Sunny's place that I heard about, for the first time, some of the stuff Ricky talked about...and she introduced me to this site. It's MY name that's Steve (and Iím guessing that it's that demented fool 7*'s name too...because otherwise I SEE ABSOLUTELY NO REFERENCE TO HIM in my posted comment). And hey, 7fucking*, I donít have a clue why on earth youíd think I was applying any of those S words to you, especially "slightly-psycho," since your case is clearly in the more advanced stages. Get a life, 7*; leave mine alone. (reply to this comment
From *******
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I see you're still living as a CM member on the Family's generosity while at the same time making digs at them, & you seem to be unsure as to what your decision will be as to where you finally end up (ie: in or out of the Family). Why don't you do yourself & everybody else a favour & GET OUT where you can really "fight for your freedom" & be free from the Family's care (& responsibility) for you--Huh?! Do you just sit on your fanny metaphorically "fighting for your freedom" from anyone who would impose their will on you? If you want to be "free" then you should know that freeedom comes with a price tag attached to it! Unlike the whinny Bush (& most American ilk) who complain about how "teh terrosrists don't value our freedom & way of life!" HA! Like everyone is supposed to value America's freedom & way of life! Metaphors like "Oh they hate freedom" etc etc is a load of HOGWASH & BULL! Of course they value freedom...their own & they want to be freee from the US's attitude that they should be free to terrorise the world & start up little wars whenever it suits their foreign policy, deposing unfriendly dictators & setting up friendly ones in their place so that they can be free to continue to ravage the world's resources & waste it on their own extravagance & greed! You wanna be a freedom fighter......then FIGHT to be free & get out & make something of yourself! At least something I can say for most of the other posters on this site is that they have at least had the...2Bcont'd (reply to this comment
From JoeH
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despite your obvious feeble mindedness, you do have a pretty good take on US foreign policy. It's good to know there are people out there who see both sides and don't just think that the arabs hate us so much for no good reasons. Btw, did you read my bickerings with mercy in the catching up section? (reply to this comment
From Enough
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Joe, you're such a commie! If you hate this country so much please, run, don't walk to your nearest Arab nation. There are many from which to choose. You may prefer a radical terrorist regime. There's an excellent selection in Afghanistan, which you may find more to your liking than "home of the free and land of the brave." (reply to this comment
From JoeH
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oh goodie, another retard I can verbally lambast! Though I suspect that you're merely trying to get me riled, I'm going to rebutt you anyway cause I think it's fun and I'm at work and bored.

For starters, you've assumed that I'm living in the US, which happens to be correct, but is an assumption nonetheless.

Secondly, why does hating the US mean that I would prefer an Islamic Arab dictatorship? There are lots of countries in the world that I like, however I would not choose to live permanently under any oppressive dictatorship.

Thirdly, if I "hate this country so much" don't you think I would have left already? I have not (if I remember correctly) posted anything that stated my hatred of the United States. There are a lot of things about this country I don't particularly like, its government being one of them. And why don't all of you patriots remember what your ancestors had in mind when they came here: a dislike for their governments.

If America really is the land of the free, shouldn't I be free to think whatever the hell I want without being labeled a communist? And shouldn't the "the brave" be secure enough to not panic and get angry at anyone who disagrees with mainstream patriotism?

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From Enough
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 08:51

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We all know you live in Oregon, Joe. Get over it! (reply to this comment
From *******
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Well done there Joe, & nicely answered! If I may add for the benefit of "enough" the fact that as far as I've heard it it's suposed to be the "Land of the free & the Home of the brave", not the other way round as enough has quoted it. Oh well, I guess the inacuracies (as you've pointed out so well here) in his post are plenty, so another a couple more little ones shouldn't make too much difference here like the "Selection in Afghanistan" of Arab dictatorships! Firstly, Afghanistan is not an Arabic country (enough is probably an uneducated nerd who gets all his information from the tube without engaging too much analytical thought), they are just Muslims (which is not a race of people but a Religion!)! And in case he hasn't been following the news of late (which possibly negates my theory of the "uneducated nerd" who gets his information from TV, unless he reads newspapers & such. But if he does where's the harm in getting a little bit more of a well-rounded in-take of information, like an Encyclopdia for example, which would [possibly] educate him on the different ethnic races around the world! He might even discover that the US is not the center of the world--like I've seen being placed on many American maps of the World, with America in the middle & Asia divided in two halves on either side--& that there are probably loads of people in the world to whose BRAVERY most Americans could not even come close to rivalling! There's no bravery in a "Smart Bomb" or pushing a BUTTON!! (reply to this comment
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......cont'd...And there's certainly no bravery in Bush making nice cheap speeches talking about how they need to sort out the rest of the World when he can't even keep his own back yard in order--see World Com, etc--& sending other people out to fight while he sits comfortable in nice holiday retreats! And there's definately no bravery in pushing a little red button except the knowledge that there's quite a few people out there with little red buttons who'll follow suit with exactly the same!) Afghanistan is now supposed to be a democracy (unless he concurs with my statement that the US sets up Puppet Governments or Dictatorships--the US has a real bad record in this regard, & got their ass seriously kicked in a little Jungle in Asia about 30 odd years ago!), hence it cannot be called an "Arab Dictatorship" in ANY regard! (reply to this comment
From *******
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...cont'd...courage & the BALLS (please pardon the referance ladies) to make something of their lives & struggle against tremendous odds in many cases to make a life for them selves. What has your freedom cost you huh, FreeDom Fighter?? Do you just fight for the right to be free to be a lazy A**? First class passanger is what you remind me of! If you're gonna be a CM member then be loyal to the CM, which includes Dad & Maria & Family policies & all; but if you're not then get the f**k out & lets see what a tough fighter you really are! I bet you'd probably be one who'll come crying & whining back to someone to sort out all your problems when you find out what most other folks here have already found out that it's tough to be "free"! "The bold die young"--you don't seem to be dead yet, so what does that make you?! (reply to this comment
From Free_Dom_Fighter
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 10:29

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You don't know the first thing about my life, so what the hell is it with you and all your patronizing and acting like youíre somehow going to wake me up to my sorry state and make me see the light for the first time, so that Iíll beg repentance for my juvenile ways? You think you're a better person for being past the difficult stage I'm at now? And for using asterisks in your comment instead of the word fuck? Well fuck you too bitch!

Personally I'd rather you stay the hell out of my life, but since you're asking specific questions here, maybe it would help you out to see youíre really not as intuitive and cutting as you seem to think you are.

I just got back to Japan 2 months ago after ďbeing a missionary to AfricaĒ for the last year. I really tried hard there. (But you all know the drill--constant financial problems, people not getting along at all, never-ending childcare, ... and so on and on.) Six months into it, the absolute opposite of what I was expecting happened--I was convinced I didn't want to be a missionary like that. When I got back to Japan, I had some serious issues with Family doctrine, but Iíd still defend the Family on a regular basis. Then a month ago, I went down to see my friend Sunny. She talked to me a bit about the Family, and introduced me to this website.

Then I read Rickyís article. (And sorry 7*ís, even though I know you donít feel the same way, I think someone like him deserves some credibility here.) Now, all of this stuff about the Family being individual people, many of whom are just trying to do their best, doesnít really matter anymore to me...the way I see it, it all comes down to the fact that if the top leaders are severely disturbed individuals, then all the fine people in the Family are simply in the wrong group.

So I left.

(Hey, and yes I know this stuff actually has nothing to do with anything you said, 7*; Iím just trying to explain to you why I was ďCMĒ when I posted my previous comment. By the way, I donít quite recall saying that I planed to remain CM for any great length of time, just that I was at that particular point.)

As for me living off the Family's "generosity," well, sorry 7*ís, but you really should avoid stating your twisted, offensive assumptions of other peopleís lives as fact. Iím now no longer CM, but I've still been working hard to support my dad off in Africa. I hate the idea of supporting my own father, but it doesnít seem to come from anywhere else. He's got a wife and 3 small children there...I feel responsible for them...they donít even have enough money to leave Africa...I'm still 17...I'm the one who should be getting support from him...but such is life. I deal with it just fine, but pricks like you really donít help.

Just one last thing, Iíve got to add something to what JohnnieWalker said here -- "Free_Dom_Fighter," by the way, has nothing to do with fighting the Family, as you seem to have gathered with that ever-perceptive mind of yours. Youíd agree with me that there are plenty of people in the Family with whacky names like ďFreedomĒ and such, no? I just though it was a cute little play on the whole hippie-name thing, almost on par with something like Zechariah Rainbow Beansprout, or something. Okay so maybe I should stay the hell away from ever trying to name any future children of mine, but really, you're taking things way to seriously here. I donít see how you came up with that whole lecture on Americaís evil ways and world peace just from my nickname--my best guess is that youíre having a hard time thinking of content with any actual substance to post.

I guess Iím being a bit overly harsh here. Sorry about that. I donít actually think youíre an evil heathen or anything; I just wish you wouldnít harass people on their choices in life until you know at least a little bit about them. (...So I guess now that you know my situation, ... well, bring it on!!!) :-) (reply to this comment
From *******
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 11:33

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FDF, I wasn't harrassing you for your choices in life, but from what I perceived was the lack of them--at least serious ones where you have to actually bear serious responsibility (forgive me if I was wrong, I perceived it from what was on your post, possibly coupled with your seriously uncharitable comments directed directly towards me, without knowing anything about ME or MY life)! I'm impressed by the fact that you have been a missionary in Africa & can understand that you've had enough of it, at least for now. Africa (like many poor mission fields), I'm sure, is not an easy field to be on & you're to be commended for having been a missionary there for as long as you did, although I'm wondering (not seriously, just a passing thought) how much of the responsiblity you bore for the mission there, how much you rode on other people's faith, seeing as your comments showed a certain greenness to me. I'm sorry if you're going through a difficult time right now & hope you come through it. I'm sure the Lord will help you. God bless you as well for trying to help support your dad in Africa. That too is very commendable & I'm sure he & your brothers & sisters appreciate it too.
I never thought I was a better person for being past it, & my comment was written from the info i had from your post that stated you were still in the Family & it bothered me that you would still be under the Family's responsibility, & yet not be loyal to those taking care of you. As far as repentance from... (reply to this comment
From *******
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 12:43

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.....cont'd..."juvenille ways", I never said you should do that! Like you said yourself, you know yourself better than I do & what you do or do not feel you should repent from is none of my concern. "Juvenille (meaning relating to youth) ways" is not really something that is repented from (the attitudes that often accompany it however, can be), but rather grown out of through experience, which you seem to be getting now.
Regarding Ricky's post: If you had read my post objectively you'd see that I did try to give him some credibility & didn't dismiss it out of hand (In fact I didn't even discuss any of the specific issues that he raised). What I did raise issue with him about was his attitude & presentation style, & that it was so slanted & one-sided; & even tried to give him a measure of understanding for that!
I'm glad you don't think I'm an evil heathen & you're very generous in you're understanding! Forgive me if I leaped too quickly, but maybe I have a certain amount of feelings in this area, as I've known loafers around in the Family (not saying you're one--it just raised those sentiments in me again when I read your posts) before, who'd criticise the Family with words, attitudes & actions without contributing something helpful towards the solution, but rather being part of the problem! I've had issues of certain things that I haven't agreed with & have done my best to try to help right wrongs & make positive contributions to the world around me, like everyone should! (reply to this comment
From JoeH
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 12:36

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God, you're such a prick! you start out all nice "i commend you" and then start suggesting that he rode on other people's faith. Didn't your saviour and big brother say "judge not, lest ye be judged yourselves"? And please don't bother throwing that scripture back in my face, I'm not a christian so it won't make an impact.

and what the hell is "directed directly"? you MUST have been in the family, your english skills fit the part! (reply to this comment
From Free_Dom_Fighter
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 23:20

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Thank you Joe for seeing through this prick. (reply to this comment
From *******
Friday, August 16, 2002, 06:00

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Hey, look man! It's the "hit dog that howls", so you must be something of a "prick" yourself if I as able to see through you so well! I was trying to take a charitable second-take (you haven't afforded ME that courtesy yet!) on your situation, but you don't seem to get it, do you?! (reply to this comment
From MagicGreenPants
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 13:46

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It's pretty obvious that Satan is speaking through you Joe with lies and confusion. I won't give you/Satan any credit by becoming entangled in your confusion.


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From *******
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 13:08

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Hey, look Joe; lets start with "directed directly". I'm sure you know that something can be indirectly directed at someone! So to have something directed directly at someone is to have something that is meant to be directed at you written directly TO you (in contrast with having it written about you, as in Dave's post for example). Looks like your english skills fit the part as well--maybe you've been too busy kicking peoples' asses to get to know the dif!
As far as his experiences on the mission field, I commended him for being a missionary there--that shows very good qualities in itself. But at the same time wanted to know how much of it was his own faith & initiative & how much he rode on others' faith, which is not necessarily a bad thing in itself, it just doesn't give him the same "taking off his armour to boast" kinda rights. We all have had to lean on others' faith at some times in our lives, but shouldn't then turn around & pretend to be so hard done by if things don't live up to how we think they should've turned out. I've heard it said that the definition of a critic is one who criticises someone for not doing something the way he would IF he could! It kinda reminds me of how some people here are criticising the Family for failings, & yet they lived on the good of the land for awhile, & wouldn't have done any better job had they had the reins, in fact I'm almost convinced that they would have made a 100 fold greater disaster than they claim was created by others! (reply to this comment
From *******
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 13:32

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PS. Also, if you employ a bit more intelligence you'd notice the diference between when someone is "judging" someone else, & when someone is merely questioning or "wondering" (I'm quite sure that's the EXACT word I used) about something. (reply to this comment
From JoeH
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 13:31

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a redundancy is something that is redundant (notice how I imitated your circular definition there). While "directed directly" makes sense, it sounds weird, and should be worded differently. The reason the English language has so many synonyms is so you can use them. I'm sure there's some great online thesauruses, which in case you didn't know, is a resource writers use to find synonyms, not a type of dinosaur.

I've answered the ass-kicking nonsense already, so I'll just refer you to that post, and hope that you'll be mature enough to move on to something else. (reply to this comment
From *******
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 13:37

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If you have some good ideas for possible variations to the quotation in question I'm open to sugestions! (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 04:36

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Seven, please stop reading personalities off of people's screen names. It's rude. You didn't appreciate it when it was done to you, please don't do it to others. (reply to this comment
From *******
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 05:47

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I haven't made any complaint about anyone reading personalities off my screen name (tell me what kind of a personality does seven (or any number of) asteriks mean to you?--Nothing, exactly, which is why I chose it. I keep my personality to myself, by not trying to make up a name for myself that portrays me as anything!). If you're refering to my comments on the posts about my screen "name", it was simply to help clarify to people that, in case they're not familiar with the keyboard they're using, those are ASTERIKS....not STARS (thus no need to make any comparison with the stars of Revelations or anywhere else, even nonsensical fictional visions that have to be "believed to be received" [I'm wondering, just to stray from the point in hand for a moment for the benefit of the fellow who made that post, if those stars being viewed were the result of one-too-many blows to the head, or perhaps to one too many down-the-hatch--which often precipitates the "blows to the head" from any number of willing participants. Those two contributing factors have been known to cause the victim to see seven or more stars, but this is the first case I've encountered of anyone being able to make an accurate count!--Well done there matee!!] Capish? There have been plenty of "take-offs" from my screen "name", & (correct me if I'm wrong) I haven't made a single peep about any of them! Reading comprehension??!!!
---PS. Please don't take this offensively, I'm just having a little bit of sporting fun!!! (reply to this comment
From someone brighter than 7 stars
Friday, August 16, 2002, 15:16

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Capische: C-A-P-I-S-C-H-E

Asterisk A-S-T-E-R-I-S-K (note the second "s")


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From SevenASTERIKS (!)
Tuesday, August 20, 2002, 14:17

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Well, all I can say is that I hope you shine as the brightness of the firmament--Dan. 12:3--for being such a WIZ with (or AS) a DICTIONARY! CAPISH(E)?! (reply to this comment
From jpmagero
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 11:58

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FYI
You say " If you're refering to my comments on the posts about my screen "name", it was simply to help clarify to people that, in case they're not familiar with the keyboard they're using, those are ASTERIKS....not STARS"
In computer speak, if we are searching for all types of files we say *.* (star-dot-star). They are also refered to as asteriks. (reply to this comment
From *******
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 13:27

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That's true, however we're not talking computer speak, we were talking about a "screen name" nor are we searching for all types of files, we're talking about people intentionally mis-representing a person's "screen name" to try to suggest some sort of "Spiritual Pride" conotation, possibly to excuse ones-self for having nothing better to offer in the way of real dialogue (JW excepted there as he has written [in my opinion] some very good posts, worthy of an intelectual mind). (reply to this comment
From jpmagero
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 14:07

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BTW, I did post something (under HOME)that I would be truely interested to see your answers. It's addressed to you, and might fit under your description of "real dialogue" & "worthy of an intelectual mind". Who knows, it's worth a shot. (reply to this comment
From jpmagero
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 13:59

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You say, "however we're not talking computer speak", but your reasoning for asterick over star is the persons familiarity with a computer keyboard, thus refering to it in how it relates to a computer. :p).
And, you are the one that is tries to encourage people to hold on and praising them in spiritual ways.
I never commented on your spirituality, nor did I argue about anything you said except your screen name.
I do wonder though if you feel you have things to offer in real dialogue? Or is it just us (JW excepted) that do not? (reply to this comment
From *******
Friday, August 16, 2002, 07:12

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Knowing what is on your keyboard is not computer speak (even most 5 year olds know the alphabet & many of the symbols we use & certainly by the time they're 10 or 12 they know it's an asterik. THAT is the PROPER name for it, & anything else is merely slang or "computerspeak" (remember you can have an asterik on a manual typewriter keyboard, that is in no way a computer!). Just because I do try to praise people for spititual values, does that suggest "Spiritual Pride"? I'm told off for "insults" (or the suggestions of insults) & then mocked with conotations of "Spiritual Pride" when otherwise. I never said that you were the one who mentioned "spiritual pride" or SR, but the comment arose from screen names & my clarification of my screen "name" to (although I never specifically stated that as being the reason it was used, Sunny, JW, & I think a couple others, drew definate parallels--which I didn't howl at, but merely corrected!) those who (for sake of granting the benefit of the doubt as much as possible) may not have understood! AS far as useful dialogue, I think I've contributed an awful lot, but maybe that's just my opinion. I guess we'll have to wait & see how useful it's been! (reply to this comment
From JoeH
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 11:28

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there is a language in central africa where asterisks are read as clicks from the back of the mouth. seven in a row refers to a runt, someone unfit for marriage or tribal membership, who is usually banished or sold as a slave to another tribe. (reply to this comment
From Candide
Monday, October 14, 2002, 20:49

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Man that did the trick for me! Had me rolling in laughter. You hit seven on the head with that one. (reply to this comment
From *******
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 11:38

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Gee Joe, that's really clever. Did your daddy tell you that one, or did you figure it out all by yourself?! (reply to this comment
From *******
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 11:38

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Gee Joe, that's really clever. Did your daddy tell you that one, or did you figure it out all by yourself?! (reply to this comment
From JoeH
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 12:29

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Why don't you just say "I know you are but what am I"? Your initially flimsy argumentation skills wane daily, or are you becoming a baby for Jesus? (reply to this comment
From *******
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 13:19

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Ah, but then if I had it would made me me presuming that you were (which I'm sure our 'ever watchful' JW ouwld've picked up on right away; & anyway if you don't mind I'll pick my own humour, as you've been free to pick yours! Just because my "initially flimsy argumentation skills" may change direction or latitude doesn't necessarily mean that they're waning (maybe just a different tactical ploy)! (reply to this comment
From jpmagero
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 10:07

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7 stars in your crown? Or at least 7 star stickers for being a shiner witnesser at this evil site? GBY. WLY. KGFG. (reply to this comment
From *******
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 10:21

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Gee, thanks...that's awful nice of you! I always appreciated star stickers, since I was one who usually stacked up demerits faster than I stacked up stars! You're so very kind! (reply to this comment
From jpmagero
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 11:08

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Honest question, do you really believe that the family was a good place, did more good than bad, is a good place to raise your kids, did none of the bad things they are accused of, and if they did, do not deserve to be either punished or at least made to admit to it or pay some sort of retribution. By answering some of these questions, even without knowing your name, you can give everyone a good idea of your person. (reply to this comment
From 7*
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 10:20

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Yes, I do! (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 10:52

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Seven, these short, to-the-point answers from you are wonderful. Keep it up! (Yes, you may take that as a compliment.) (reply to this comment
From 7*
Thursday, August 22, 2002, 06:42

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Ditto to you!! (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 10:01

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OK, I see where you're coming from, but my point still stands. I hope that the verbiage of your excuse hasn't made you forget what it was.

Seven, you get sure get irritated easily, don't you? Or why the need to keep making jabs at people? If you don't like someone, just tell them or ask the Lord to help you be kind to them. There's absolutely no need to insult them, their character or their family.

And please, I think we've had just about as much as we can take with the "reading comprehension" joke. Can't you find something more original?

You say, "I'm just having a little bit of sporting fun." (As in Pro 26:18,19?) That's fine, no offense taken. But wouldn't you agree that it's a bit low to have fun by insulting, upsetting or irritating others? You call your stated age into question by doing so. (reply to this comment
From *******
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 10:49

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What is bringing you to the conclusion that I get irritated easily? You may or may not have noticed the fact that I have probably caught more abuse & have taken it without throwing half the amount of abuse back that many others on this site would have (judging from what's been thrown about on even smaller amounts of [admitedly sometimes well deserved abuse]). Perhaps the fact that I've for the most part been able to side-step much of what's come my way & get the better of it with the use of sarcasm & satire, & perhaps a bit of ready-wit, that maybe caught some folk unprepared thinking I would just "fold" instead, gets you irritated. Hey, if they can't stand the heat, they really should be in this part of the "kitchen", or at least shouldn't have started the fires (that I'm accused of adding fuel to--the fuel has also very generously been provided by posters & present company, including the "reading comprehension one that you're finding tiring now--okay, I shall search for something new if the need arises!) that could have the potential to get them burned. I'm not sure what your refering to as insulting "them, their character or their family" but those 3 aspects of my life have been open season here & I've had to bear the brunt of it. You may not like me tossing back one of your own lines at you, but to paraphrase what you said yesterday in your post, 'if they can dish it out then they really should be able to take it as well'! I'm not sure who you think I've "deceived"..... (reply to this comment
From *******
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 11:12

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Typo correction: "should be ...." = "shouldn't be"! Sorry! (reply to this comment
From *******
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 11:03

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....here (refering to Pro.26:18,19), I was just taking literary license to conjure up a bit of a "parable" for fun. I don't know if anyone here took it seriously, but if they did then it calls into serious question their mental prowess (Oh, I'm sure you'll find some criticism for that comment). I'm having a great time here, really, topics are plentiful to discuss & they're all sitting out in the open like ducks in hunting season! Hunting for sport isn't really my thing nor is playing with guns (as in paint-ball shooting), & wasn't allowed in the Family anyways, but this must come pretty close to the fun of it, don't ya' think?! Anyway, I have even tried to be reasonable in my posts as well, & tried not to hit any "innocent" stand-by observers as much as possible. Sorry if I took you by surprise. It is one of the most important elements in any sort of successful "military" campaign! (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 09:16

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Cute, Seven. But nothing you could possibly say could take me by surprise (Alright, perhaps the phrase "I am the biggest asshole on this site" coming straight from you would surprise me :) ).

You're pretty predictable, you know. So far, the answers you have posted in reply to questions or comments from me and others have been almost word-for-word what I expected.

Keep trying though. You're getting better. Practice makes perfect. (reply to this comment
From neezy
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 05:58

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naming u'rself ******* says lack of personality to me.

Or 'insert name here'

christfucker (reply to this comment
From *******
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 06:28

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Lack of YOUR type of personality does NOT indicate lack of personality (THANK GOD), & as I've just mentioned I protect my personality (or keep it to myself) so therefore I chose a screen "name" that was neutral so as (among other reasons) to not give it away! I could make rude comment relating you to some sort of "fucker", but shall decline! (reply to this comment
From neez
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 21:49

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Your posts would be so much more enjoyable/readable if you skipped your standard personal info intro, & included something slightly interesting like rude comments. (reply to this comment
From *******
Friday, August 16, 2002, 06:54

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Now this IS really funny! I just got through replying to JW telling me off for rude comments (interestingly enough to YOU) & next thing I know you're asking for MORE! I'm almost in stitches! (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Friday, August 16, 2002, 10:34

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Here's your chance, Seven. Show us what you're made of. Will you relent to the call for more rudeness, or will you 'let it pass'? (reply to this comment
From *******
Friday, August 16, 2002, 11:22

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The fact that the post didn't contain any "more" should say enough for itself! (reply to this comment
From neez
Saturday, August 17, 2002, 09:31

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U can insult me all u like 7holes..

But again.. I'm guessing I'm not the only one here sick of hearing your disturbingly boring personal insights, & mind numbing theoretical brain-dumps.
You sound like a future Berg-meister, looking for a 'target audience' for your own new cult.
But you're really in the wrong place christfucker. (reply to this comment
From .
Saturday, August 17, 2002, 13:36

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Absolutely! He keeps promising to leave, but yet he keeps coming back. He's like Pet Cemetary. 7, just leave, go. No one wants you here. (reply to this comment
From *******
Saturday, August 17, 2002, 11:02

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OK....you don't think much of my "mind numbing theoretical (again taking that word literally--meaning as relating to the knowledge of or understanding of God or the Divine) brain-dumps" or my "disturbingly boring personal insights" (who's makin' you read 'em?!). Fair enough! Don't read 'em! But there are also fact-based analysis' that offer alternative views to mainstream ideas, that I have as much right to, as anyone else does to theirs!
And NO, contrary to what I'm being accused of by JW, or baited with by you, it is NOT in my nature to pass out insults wily-nily for no reason!
And look, I think you wearing out the Berg-(whatever) insult very seriously here! Try something else to harp on!
Not looking for "my own new cult" either. Sorry to disappoint you on all those counts! (reply to this comment
From neez
Saturday, August 17, 2002, 19:59

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Fuck u too Berg-lover (7times?).. (reply to this comment
From Anthony
Saturday, August 17, 2002, 17:12

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7*s, it has become very evident to me, based on your online personality, that you suffer from sexual greediness. Perhaps your wife (?) is unable or unwilling to feed all your appetites and sexual requests; thus, you come here and post as you do to somehow find gratifying satisfaction.

If you don not reply to this comment I will infer, and I’m sure others will as well, that I am correct in my analysis of your psyche or your mind’s behavior and its conscious or unconscious adjusting or mediating of your body's responses to your social and physical environment.

Regards,
Anthony
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From Anthony
Monday, August 19, 2002, 23:29

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So 7*s, guess we can all infer from your silence that I'm right! (reply to this comment
From SevenAsteriks
Tuesday, August 20, 2002, 13:55

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Just read this just now & have to say that the only thing you can infer from my "silence" is that I HAVEN'T HAD TIME FOR THE LINE!! Sorry, but there are other more pressing priorities in my life than to stoop to the levels you have in a de4sperate attempt to besmirch me (that's of-course your prerogative, & mine not to stoop!)! I'm not sure how you've come to those conclusions, but it might be interesting to note to you (NOT that it's ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS or even that I have to necessarily "defend" myself to YOU [or anyone else]!) that before I logged onto this web-site I just got through checking the junk-mail folder of my e-mail box, & as usual had to clean it out of loads of sexual junk-mail, which as usual I BLOCK without even looking at it! I don't know if that means anything to you or even that I should have to say that. As far as my sexual desires or appetites, I don't see them as being any of your business or a topic of public discussion, anymore than yours are, & am DISGUSTED with you for even having brought that up as a subject matter in the manner you did! You might wanna check yourself on your manners (yup, that's it MANNERS)! If you're not too sure what that means or need guidance in obtaining some, then I would recommend that you ask most 5 year olds for some advice. They could probably tell you a lot of things you DON'T KNOW! Whaddya think? Good idea?! Let me know if you need any more tips on how to realign your thought processes & I'll try to give suggestions! (reply to this comment
From Anthony
Tuesday, August 20, 2002, 15:22

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Ha, ha, ha, LOL, very loud. 7*s, I’ve just exploited your psychology. It’s the oldest trick in the book & you fell for it. I was testing a psychological theory of mine, thank you very much for playing along, I knew you would. I have no interest in your bedroom practices or your junk mail, although Joe H. does make a good point, as I said you indulged me by being a predictable and willing subject or guinea pig for my little experiment. You see, I wasn’t willing to pay anyone money to act as my human test tube, and most wouldn’t be willing to do it for free, thank you, LOL! Speaking of funny, weren’t you that clown in the circumcision circus that made a condom out of his foreskin? Just wondering.
While you’re at, why don’t you tell me what you thought of me referring to you as Onan spilling your seven seeds (******) on our ground here? You see, we all can quote the Bible as well as you for whatever suits are fancy; this then is one the fundamental problems with “interpretation”, something which you apparently have failed to realized.
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From 7*
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 08:49

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I'm glad for you that you can see the funny side to the scripture that JW quoted for me (Pro. 26:18, 19) & in doing so (& openly admiting it) you've bought into your own accusations (see the first of those two verses) of me in one of your previous posts, calling me "thou fool" & "Raca", & potentially made yourself worthy of the notable & (effectually) highly undesirable words of Christ in condemnation of such acts! I don't envy your shoes & only hope that you know enough of the scripture (& it's interpretation) to get out of that one! I have NO further comment to this post & shall decline to comment any further on this subject (to you at least), for no other reason than the Fear of God! (reply to this comment
From Anthony
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 17:17

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Dear Jesus, I'm a little confused now. If I'm saved that means I'm going to Heaven, right? But if I say "raca" and call you "thou fool", as I have done in the past and undoubtedly will do again in the future, I'm in danger of the council and Hell fire, respectively. So which one is it?
Perhaps my pre-paid membership to Heaven will be revoked, oh dear, now I wouldn't want that to happen. But if it does do I get a refund. Have Jesus surgically removed from my heart, lol.

And while I'm at, I must confess that I've also committed the unpardonable sin, as a matter of fact, I do so every morning before breakfast as it helps my digestive process.
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From Joe
Tuesday, August 20, 2002, 14:09

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from my own personal experience, you won't receive junk porn mail unless you register with porn sites. I'm not judging you, because I think most of us have been tempted by the promise of free porn in exchange for our email addresses. And what's wrong with porn, didn't Berg say nudity and sex is beautiful and part of God's creation.? I'll admit that a lot of porn besmirches this wonderful aspect of life that God created for us to enjoy, but that doesn't make it inherently wrong!

If you hate it so much why don't you try unsubscribing? or do you like the temptation? One of my favorite quotes is: "The trouble with temptation is that you may not get another chance"

I think you need to "try the spirits" and really use your discernment when surfing for porn, don't "throw the baby out with the bathwater", but remember that "not all porn is of the Lord" Use it, don't abuse it ok son? I love you and am praying for you that you can fight this battle you've been having in your life lately. PTL! Keep going for God! (reply to this comment
From 7*
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 08:34

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You are such a sweet(*) condescending father(*) that I really don't know where I'd be without your prayers & battling for me in the Spirit! It's so nice to know that someone out there is "fighting on the wall" against all these evil spitirs (no, I didn't accidently mis-spell that) & keeping the elivds (ditto there too!) at bay! I'll leave the baby's bath water there for you in-case you get thirsty, while I slip out the back (with my "baby"!) in search of the water of life, & maybe a little of the fruit of the vine as well! We'll send you a post-card (maybe)from our exotic journies so you can know what we're saving YOU from! Thanks ever so much! So long, sucker!!! (reply to this comment
From neez
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 09:56

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I seriously hope you keep whatever strange water & fruits you've been eating away from your baby.. could it be that all this time you've been suffering from some form of psychotic tropical fever..? (reply to this comment
From 7*
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 10:17

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I hope you're not saying that the Water of Life is strange! As far as fruit, the only one I would try to keep away from my baby one from the tree that brings death! Otherwise as far as I know we may freely eat from every other tree! I have no comment on the tropical fever 'cause the tropics is not where I'm currently residing, & besides that, it does me no good to answer questions that have absolutely no meaning! I thank you for your concern in any case! (reply to this comment
From neez
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 10:42

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So is the Fountain of Life anywhere near the Fountain of Youth..?

& do u believe 'an apple a day' will actually doom you to an eternity in some styrofoam hollywood set-piece..?

& while I'm here typing these "idle words"... what are your thoughts on eating from the cannabis tree..? Might I suggest you consider changing your poison/fruit. (reply to this comment
From 7*
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 09:25

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PS. I hope you've noticed the literary licence there & don't take it literally!
Regarding the junk-mail I did receive a number of invitations to various porn-sites & while curiosity took the better of me to take a peek (hey, I'm a red-blooded male), it didn't really interest me any further (I tell you some of those celebs really just don't got it, & it's not worthy to go wading through the ones who don't for the few who do. Besides that, most of it is really ugly, crude [of the brass-&-crass type] & NOT beautiful as was Dad's view on God's type of nudity) & I didn't complete the application form! None-the-less I still get a fair amount of invitations that are sent just because I logged onto the site, but hopefully there won't be too many left that aren't blocked by the time I'm through (Just in-case you needed a clarification)! (reply to this comment
From SevenAsteriks
Tuesday, August 20, 2002, 14:02

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The reason I'm spelling out my name is that someone registered me WITHOUT my permission (therefore making it not possible to use my "name" without logging in) which I'm NOT too impressed about! Jules, you moderate this site don't you! Please unregister that name! I didn't register it & since you said you're committed to protecting the privacy of posters here I'd ask that you please respect mine as well. Thanks a bunch. Much appreciated! (reply to this comment
From Jules
Tuesday, August 20, 2002, 15:37

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I don't think so.
You had the option to "reserve" that name for your use only by registering it and now someone else did.
Your privacy has not been violated, you already posted all the information someone put in your profile yourself on this site.
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From 7*
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 09:01

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Jules, I don't know exactly what you mean by this post, or what logic you're employing! I DIDN'T register the name ******* because I don't want to log into this site to make my postings! The point I'm trying to make is not that I'm upset about someone using it, but that it was registered as ME without my permission. The person who registered it is definately trying to make it out to be ME & is therefore effectually posting information for me that is against my wishes! I therefore re-iterate my request to de-register that name! (reply to this comment
From C
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 12:07

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What proof do you have that you are who you say you are? What claim do you have to the symbol *******? Do you have a registered trademark? Have you copyrighted it? Do you hold identification in which your legal name is *******? If no, then you have no claim. No one has invaded your privacy. When using an alias which is later appropriated, you do not have a claim of invasion of privacy. Further, you do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy on the internet.

Understandably Jules is frustrated when someone screams foul and violation of a right, yet is unable to grasp simple concepts. Again, please, take the invitation to go elsewhere. (reply to this comment
From neez
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 10:03

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stick it on your next OHR.. (reply to this comment
From Jules
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 10:48

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I have a better idea of where you can stick it, Mr. 7*.

Since your inability to comprehend simple principles may be a medical condition, I'll try to not hold it against you.

Let me spell it out:

-All users have a right to privacy, that is to keep their "real life" identity (name, address, personal information, etc.) private
-Users who wish to interact with other people online tend to create an online identity (a madeup nickname, an anonymous email address, etc.)
-To maintain and protect your online identity (prevent anyone else using your nickname or "spoofing" comments to make them appear as though they come from you), this site allows you to reserve your nickname for your own use only by registering it.
-After a number of people began using your nickname and spoofing comments from you, the suggestion was made to you to register your "*******" to prevent this happening
-You refused to do so, and so the spoofing continues

You have 3 choices:
1. Choose a nickname that has not been taken and register it to reserve it
2. Deal with it when people continue to register your nicknames
3. Take a hike and go somewhere else, shaking the dust off your feet

I do not moderate this site. I manage the code, design, and hosting, but it's an open forum. Welcome to the wild west of the internet. (reply to this comment
From JoeH
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 11:37

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very nice jules! I'm surprised he's not trying to collect royalties for every time someone uses the name John Doe. Or maybe he'll change his name to Alan Smithee and try to get credit for all those films that were so bad the director wouldn't put his name on them. (reply to this comment
From 7*
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 11:37

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And that would be?!
Dear Jules, you seem to have been offended by the simple request that you remove the name(s) that people have chosen to post here mimicking mine & contain extremely rude "information" with the specific intent of suggesting that the "Registree" is me! I do realise that the FORUM is open & appreciate the effort you have made to make it so! The issue however is not with the forum but with the registration. I realise there may be nothing you can do to keep it from happening, but as any host you should be concerned that your site is kept within certain parameters! I think you must be as I received a patronising comment from JW in one his first few posts to me stating that I was "lucky" to not have been banned. If I was only "lucky" not to have been banned simply for trying to be a relatively lone-voice here that "waded upstream" (yet without malice of intent towards anyone or in breach of anyone's privacy), then don't you think that it's within the realms of accceptible requests that you should simply remove the fictitious names that have been posted here (one I've noticed even confusing my gender) on my behalf without my consent, & try to keep it a little more decent & tidy! I'm not asking you to ban anyone. I'm simply asking to have the offending names, that you & I (& I'm pretty sure everyone here) know to be not only fictitious, but also specifically targeted towards defamation, removed. Even in the "wild-west" there was still SOME semblance of law & order (reply to this comment
From C
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 12:12

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Do you even know what defamation is? You have not been defamed. Again, you have no claim.
Canít you take a hint? (reply to this comment
From 7*
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 12:29

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Yes, I do know what defamation is & whether your little legal brain agrees with it or not, almost anybody with common sense reading those profiles (have you even read what I'm talking about or are you answering a matter before you hear it?) eroniously put there as being from me would DEFINATELY say that defamation was in mind! Have you ever actually worked on a defamation case? If you have then judging from your comment I would say that you were more than likely counsel for the defense/defendant! (reply to this comment
From SevenAsteriks
Thursday, August 22, 2002, 14:58

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This isn't funny anymore you little imposter! Come on, the joke is getting old! Stop it with your defamation and your puny attempts at making me (the REAL SevenAsteriks) look stupid with your semi-coherent ramblings! Whoever you are, I've had enough of this crap, and so has my loving God! Thou wayward, venomed, swag-bellied, folly-fallen, yeasty menstrous rag! Behold! --If thou wouldest merely REPENT of thine wicked ways, God may consider sparing thee from the depraved judgment that hast been prepared for you. And there shall be a great weeping & gnashing of teeth. Selah. ...You have been warned, fool. I have delivered my soul. (reply to this comment
From 7*
Thursday, August 22, 2002, 16:49

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Excuse me while I laugh!! Tis obvious who is the imposter here!!! You have neither my writing style nor my level of intelligence!! My I suggest you crawl back into whatever cave you came out of???!! I registered myself so as to spare myself from impostors (yes, YOU are the impostor as is blatantly obvious by the photo you placed on your profile!!) such as yourself. You should attest that you have indeed delivered your soul, or God may require my blood of your hands!! Then you'll be the one caught red-handed!!! Or is it your head that's bloody but unbowed??!! I shall refrain from further rude comment (note, JW, that I've used it in porper context this time) as the nonsense you have posted is not worth my time!! (reply to this comment
From Free_Dom_Fighter
Thursday, August 22, 2002, 23:50

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Dear, dear special retarded friend and Siamese twin 7*,
Do you always quote scripture when someone makes an obvious joke? I guess that would confirm our theory about you being at LEAST as detested & ostracized in real life as you are here. By the way, it wouldn't be too difficult to impersonate your particular (lack of) writing style, but I purposely avoided it in order to make my post a very obvious prank. You should really lighten up dude...your apparent idea that itís your calling from God to respond to every single little thing here only manages to reinforce our opinion that youíve got a SEVERE persecution complex. As far as intelligence levels, I think most of us would take it quite offensively if we WERE described as actually HAVING your particular level of intelligence, so I thank you for the compliment & for your honesty. (reply to this comment
From SevenAsteriks
Friday, August 23, 2002, 11:44

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Oh this is classic!!! Not only do I have imposters like 7* trying to ruin my good name & credibility, but now I've got some groupie bitch trying to take credit for my posts just to mess with my head. This is going way too far!! FDF, everybody knows you'll never attain to my level of intelligence, which is inversely related to your penis size!! (reply to this comment
From 7*
Friday, August 23, 2002, 04:52

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Yes, I do quote scripture at any occasion (remember, "in season and out of season"). I believe that the Bible is the Word of God and so I feel it is my calling (as it is for ALL christians (and you must still be a christian since you are in the Family!!!) to "rightly divide the Word of TRUTH"!!! I never said that you had my level of intelligence!! If you'll recall I said you DIDN'T have it!! That would make you either smarter or dumber than me and I have no doubt as to which of the two it is!!! I don't care if you take my comments as a compliment or not, although if you've been following my post (as I'm sure you have been) you'll remember that I quoted the first part of Daniel 11:32 about being "corrupted by flatteries"!! Has my comment been flattering to you??!! If so, you may be a "corrupt tree which bringeth forth evil fruit" Matthew 7:17!!! (reply to this comment
From SevenAsteriks
Friday, August 23, 2002, 23:39

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Did you ever consider that maybe all the built-up rage you have inside of you is a direct result of keeping homosexual feelings suppressed, imposter 7*? Think about it. Go get laid by a big, loving, hairy man. Maybe you feel that you're not good with relationships...that's okay. As long as you're sucking his dick you won't be able to quote scriptures or say anything else to screw it up. Just some friendly advice. (reply to this comment
From .
Thursday, August 22, 2002, 17:07

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7*, how about you and your multiple personalities all go away?! (reply to this comment
From 7*
Friday, August 23, 2002, 04:12

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Ahhh, but you are greatly mistaken, my friend!! I have only one personality!! No doubt you must be confusing me with FreeDom Fighter. He quite openly confessed to having posted the previous comment which you now take the liberty of attributing to me!!! (again, reading comprehension??!!) I would sincerely hope that someone of your intelligence would have enough discernment (a gift of God, mind you) to discern between what is real and what is an imposter!!! Or do YOU have multiple personalities you need to deal with??!! (reply to this comment
From sevenasterisks
Friday, August 23, 2002, 05:09

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I so very sorry my only friends,
but you've been warned. I have no control over them anymore. I can't even recognize which of these incomprehensible scrawlings are from myselfs anymore. My only hope is that I get my heaven's girly super-duper turbo powers before my condition worsens.. Just watch me zap all you children of Satan then.. right after I use my heaven's super-duper girly powers to grow myself a dick. (reply to this comment
From 7*
Friday, August 23, 2002, 06:10

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You need to grow YOURSELF a dick!! I shall decline to comment on the fact that if your "only friends" are the dear folks who come to this site for their daily dosage of "lets all gripe about he Family and see how we can disband it" then, alas, I have no other option but to feel pity for you!! You do know that the powers you say you will have are only for those who follow the LORD, don't you??!! If you don't "come out from among them and be seperate" then God is not going to let you do great exploits but will let you "receive of her plagues"!!! Watch out!!! Those heavenly hounds are on your trail!!! (reply to this comment
From 7*'sBitch
Friday, August 23, 2002, 12:08

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Yeah!!!! Preach it 7*!!! You have such a beautiful dick!! So firm! So intense, loving, passionate, thick, and rightous!!! What can I say??--I love everything about it!!! All you jealous bitches out there just leave my baby alone!!! Grow up!!! (reply to this comment
From 7* A
Friday, August 23, 2002, 12:57

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oh wow, you turn me on so much, can I have your fun number? Maybe we can get together and "speak in tongues". I get so horny when I read the bible, I've been trying to take out my frustration on the people of this website, but I keep going back to masturbation. All this time I thought I was the only person who would have sex with me! (reply to this comment
From 7*
Friday, August 23, 2002, 13:13

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hey! That's not true! I never stop masturbating! It's my lifeline to Jesus. You fornicators would do well to follow my example (reply to this comment
From neez
Saturday, August 24, 2002, 03:06

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alrighty then 7*.. This one has to be from you. (I'd hate to see u attempt humour)
your "lifeline to Jesus" stains are clearly visible all over this website. Possibly because all seven of yourselfs "never stop masturbating" all over it. Someone really should invent that digital condom. (reply to this comment
From SevenAsteriks
Friday, August 23, 2002, 13:25

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Now that's just disturbing!!! And 7* you faggot, stay away from her--she's mine!!! (reply to this comment
From C
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 14:39

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Iím surprised you can even spell defamation. You couldnít spelled definitely or erroneously. Libel is written defamation, slander is spoken. Both are civil torts. You must show damage to some aspect of your character which is legally protected in order to prove such a claim.

However, even if you could show damages, in the legal sense. Truth is an absolute defense. So, if I were to call you ignorant and uneducated, I wouldnít be held liable for defamation, because the fact that you have no accredited or recognized education would be a defense. The fact that you struggle with spelling simple words would be per se evidence of your ignorance and lack of education.

However, I would caution you from maligning my profession because, although it may be a surprise to you, making untrue statements which damage a professionalís reputation is an actionable offense and specifically protected. A little something us lawyers, who became law makers, threw in. And donít think youíre so anonymous, either. If you ever said anything of any account, those of us with law licenseís who work for firms with investigators could find you and slap you with a civil summons so fast it would make you head spin, even in Jolly old England, where Iíve personally been in the last two years on an international litigation trip. Actually, I could just have one of the barristers there with whom Iím personally acquainted handle the matter.

One last thing, you completely confuse misappropriation and defamation. Iíd advise you not to speak on subjects of which you are so ignorant. It only serves to prove how patently stupid your arguments are. Just because you know big words, although you canít spell them, doesnít mean you know what youíre talking about. And quoting the ďwild westĒ as precedent, wonít win your case, either. (reply to this comment
From JoeH
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 15:11

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beautifully handled C! Can I retain you? My ex-girlfriend's been talking shit about me (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 10:15

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Too late, you already did. (reply to this comment
From *******
Thursday, August 15, 2002, 13:59

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Already did what? (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Tuesday, August 20, 2002, 07:10

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My comment was in reference to your comment of "I could make [a] rude comment relating you to some sort of "fucker", but shall decline!" (reply to this comment
From SevenAsteriks
Tuesday, August 20, 2002, 14:11

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I realised what your comment was in reference to, but wanted you to spell it out for YOUR convenience, so that you would hopefully see what was as plain as day, that I DIDN'T make rude comment (as I could have if I'd wanted to)! btw, it is also correct grammar to phrase the sentence EXACTLY as I did, without the addition of the article (ie: "a")! (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Tuesday, August 20, 2002, 18:29

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Hey, good to see that you're using letters of the alphabet as a screen name. About the "plain as day": I would say that it was "plain as day" that you had indirectly (and, I might add, unnecessarily) insulted him. You could just as well have left out the word "fucker" and said "I could make rude comment, but I shall decline." That would have been very gentleman-like of you.

Thanks for clarifying about the "a". I wasn't sure which way you meant to write it, so I adapted it to what I was trying to say, since the meaning wasn't affected much. I hope you don't mind. (reply to this comment
From 7*
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 09:12

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Perhaps it could be argued that I indirectly mirrored his insult, but DID NOT insult him in any way in any sort of direct or malicious manner! He might have used it to see that while it is possible to go around throwing insults it is NOT necessary & DEFINATELY avoidable. Remember, "out of the fullness of the heart, the mouth speaketh"! Which is why we shall give an account of every idle word. It tells what's in our hearts & what we are before God!
Glad to hear that the meaning of the sentence was apparent to you! (reply to this comment
From Anthony
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 16:48

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Goes to show how wrong your little book is. We all know that it is the brain which causes our mouths to speak and not our hearts. The heart is simply an organ which pumps blood through the body.
But that would make a cool horror flick, we could call it "Bloody Words", you Brits my appreciate that.

They speak from their hearts and out comes the blood.

Bleeding soon at a theatre near you.

Don't you bloody miss it!

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From Anthony
Thursday, August 22, 2002, 14:13

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may* appreciate that. (reply to this comment
From neez
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 10:20

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7testes It's only an insult, if one is insulted.

& not that I give a shit about such nonsense.. but any word traded with you, could be considered an "idle word".

btw... you do fuck christ don't you?? If so, would I not be complimenting u on your presumed christ-fucking skills.. Which brings me to my original point. (reply to this comment
From 7*
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 10:26

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Which is? (reply to this comment
From neez
Thursday, August 22, 2002, 06:01

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Which is right there at the beginning/origin(i.e original point) of the post. (reply to this comment
From 7*
Thursday, August 22, 2002, 06:28

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Is it now???!!! You don't have a point!!! I wrote that so you could repeat it and make it clear to yourself how invalid your point is! Your point is at the begining (NOT origin since that is used only for a direct descendant (or offspring, depending on how you look at it) of something) of your post!!??? I laugh at the very thought of the pathetic, flimsy, shred of a point you are feebly attempting to make! ha ha HAAA! (reply to this comment
From 7* (SevenAsteriks--ie: the REAL ONE))
Thursday, August 22, 2002, 14:29

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Well, it looks like people will stoop to anything. The fact that I didn't write this post not the ones following it shows that desperation has finally set in! That'a a good thing too if it can be turned into repentance & seeking the Lord. The fact that this is now the case means that I think I've done just about all I need to do on this site, & therefore will refrain from posting ANYMORE here for now (if I do post here anymore in the future it will be under a different name)! I wish you all the best & hope that the Lord will bless you & keep you safe from all harm, & that you may all find happiness & peace in whatever happens. If there is anyone who would like to communicate with me further, my e-mail address is SevenAsteriks@hotmail.com . God bless & fare-ye-well! (reply to this comment
From neez
Thursday, August 22, 2002, 08:22

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I'm not in the habit of repeating things I've already stated(sums up about 50% of your posts).
But I'll give u a clue 7. It's in the first line.
& when you've figured that one out, perhaps you can find time from your busy(online) schedule to clarify your current christ-fucking status. Or can u not see that bit either? (reply to this comment
From 7*
Thursday, August 22, 2002, 09:16

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Whether I practice Loving Jesus or not is absolutely none of your buisness!! I believe that the revelation the Lord gave to Maria about loving Jesus (or "christ-fucking" as some of the "less informed" people on this site, who I shall refrain from mentioning, would put it) to be Biblically sound. Or what do you understand from the verse "The people who KNOW their God shall be strong" (Daniel 11:32)??!! You would do well, my friend, to heed the warning in the first part of that verse!! "And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries". You are doing wickedly against the covenant by mocking the Word of God and his prophets!! I hope you realise that God has CORRUPTED you by flatteries!!! I would rather be called a "christ-fucker" than a "systemite-sucker" (pun intended)!!! I'm a fool for CHRIST'S sake!! Who's fool are YOU??!! (reply to this comment
From sougly
Wednesday, November 27, 2002, 07:34

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He He.....

The thing is that your verses quoted in your posting - so conveniently (I might add) have no relevance.

The only way we would be "doing wickedly against the covenant" is if we believed that their babblings WERE in fact the word of God and his prophets.

I think that out of all on this site (besides Ricky - Davidito) I can speak with authority on this one, in saying that they are NOT God's prophets (and whether the bible is the word of God is also up for debate in my mind) - but that is a big subject and I don't feel the need to waste my time. My father is the right hand man of Zerby and Peter and as far as I am concerned all I can do is just feel sorry for him at this stage.

I trust that you will continue to be a Christ Fucker, but I would recommend looking into being a systemite sucker!!
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From palm
Monday, December 16, 2002, 01:11

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From
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FUCK YOU!!! (reply to this comment
From Hairy Palms?
Monday, December 16, 2002, 01:19

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From neez
Saturday, August 24, 2002, 02:31

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"systemite-sucker (pun intended)" ..!??

You find yourself highly amusing don't you..?

christfucker (reply to this comment
From JoeH
Thursday, August 22, 2002, 11:16

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I'm nobody's fool, except maybe my own (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 09:38

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Look, Seven, wouldn't it just be a whole lot easier to say "Hey, neezy. I'm sorry, man. I didn't mean to insult you. My bad" than to have to write up all the reasons why it could possibly not be an insult and about how you were justified in making it? (reply to this comment
From 7*
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 10:43

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I'm not averse to apologising for genuine mistakes (as I've already explained I specifically didn't answer that back to him because I have no desire to trade insults, but merely to help him to (possibly) see that while one may be able to indulge in such activities, it is possible to converse without them) but see no point in needlessly employing voluntary "humility" (not even to such a "noble-soul" as our dear friend Neez) to try to to make some sort of false "peace" that sees the offender as the victorious party, & the insulted party as the "humble-dog"! But if you think such an exercise would be beneficial, then I would suggest that you engage that method YOURSELF to boldly "show the way" to such a 'poor, ignorant & blighted soul' as myself! Whaddya think? It may involve a few "beams", but I think the effort would be worth it! (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 11:22

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Of course, I think apologizing beneficial. I wouldn't bring it up so often if I didn't think it was. About me taking the first step: Gladly (although I would hardly call you a 'poor, ignorant & blighted soul') -- Seven, I am sorry for anything I have said in my posts which might have insulted you. I mean that.

Isn't so difficult, is it? You should stop for a moment and think about what the world might be like today if Jesus hadn't 'employed voluntary humility' or made it seem as though those he offended were the 'victorious party' and he the loser.

By the way, did you mean "humble pie" or "under dog"? Or was it meant to be a humorous blend of the two? I'm guessing the latter. (reply to this comment
From 7*
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 12:08

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JW, before I consider any "apologies" (again if I were to do so I would go back & apologise for specifics rather than just generalities, I've already given my opinions about unnecessary excercises in "voluntary humilitary" or just apologising for the sake of trying to "prove" something to anyone. I have already specifically tried to maintain a non-aggressive stance to anyone) I would appreciate if you could explain what you meant by the suggestion that Jesus was engaged in voluntary humility & apologies. I would very much like you to be specific with SPECIFIC examples of where He did that. My recollection of the scripture is exactly the opposite (ie: "Say we not well that thou art a samaritan, & hast a devil? Jesus answered, "I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, & ye do dishonour me.--Jn.8:48b,49--& in MAt.12:24-28, & again in Lk.7:33-35 He used reasoning to argue that the accusations being leveled against him were false) & I don't think you will find any appologies of Jesus in the Bible, but please correct me if I'm wrong. There's a difference between being the "loser" & making "confessions/appologies" that are not valid. Ask C. (or any other lawyer) what happens in a court of law if you make any sort of a verbal or written admission of guilt. It's taken as de-facto, & often used against you! I realise of-course that (like I also pointed out) we're not in a court of law, but the principle still holds true! It has already happened to me here with innocent statements!!! (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Thursday, August 22, 2002, 04:20

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Hmmmm ... If you'd be so kind as to re-read my post you would see that I didn't say that Jesus was "engaged in ... apologies". I am well aware of the fact that there is no recorded evidence of Jesus ever having done so. But do keep in mind that He claimed He was the Son of God and was said to be "without sin" hence no need to apologise. I don't think that this is a claim you could pull off effectively here, nor do I believe you would want to. One thing is for sure: Jesus definitely preached apologising (Matthew 5:24; Luke 19:8 & 9 are just a couple of examples).

If you want proof from the Bible that He was "engaged in voluntary humility", you'll have to do the full study yourself as limited time and space do not allow me to post all the references here.

For the moment, suffice it to say that I am content from what I find in the records of his life that He 1) was voluntarily humble (Hebrews 5:8; Luke 2:51; Philippians 2:8; Matthew 11:29; Matthew 21:5; 2 Corinthians 10:1) and 2) he preached it (Matthew 18:4; Matthew 23:12; Luke 14:11; Luke 18:14; Matthew 5:5). I am sure there are many more verses, but I'll have to look them up later as I need to get back to work.

Hope this answered your question. (reply to this comment
From Joe
Tuesday, August 20, 2002, 14:30

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please explain in more detail how the sentence "I could make rude comment" is grammatically correct. did you mean to add an s to comment? Sorry, but bad grammar is pet peeve of mine (just trying out your rule there and I gotta say it doesn't fit me very well, I feel like English is my second language when I drop articles) (reply to this comment
From 7*
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 07:47

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Since you asked so nicely I'll give you a clue as to the gramatics used in this case: If you take the words "rude" & "comment", & remembering your "9 parts of speech" you look at the words as an adverb & a verb, respectively (rather than an adjective & a noun), you will see that it makes perfect grammatical sense! Granted it is a less-than-usual (but not all-together uncommon in literature) sentence structure, but grammatically correct nonetheless!
PS. Not meaning to be fecicious, but in the sentence "bad grammar is (*) pet peeve of mine" there should probably be an "a" (where I have put the Asteri(s)k!), unless you dropped it to try to make a point (which is why I put the word "probably" to allow for that possibility). (reply to this comment
From observer
Tuesday, November 26, 2002, 23:14

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just a brief observation, it seems that this fellow, 7*, is a rather disagreeable sort, the kind you just want to put your fist through. May i suggest that you sow your seeds some other place, as this site seems to be rather stoney ground..... (reply to this comment
From observer
Tuesday, November 26, 2002, 23:14

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just a brief observation, it seems that this fellow, 7*, is a rather disagreeable sort, the kind you just want to put your fist through. May i suggest that you sow your seeds some other place, as this site seems to be rather stoney ground..... (reply to this comment
From JoeH
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 12:05

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since JW already corrected your grotesque use of grammar, I'll just ask why you pretend to know so much about the subject and yet get so angry when someone points out your mistakes, when according to your last post, you stand on a level with Shakespeare and feel entitled to bend, even rewrite the rules of the English language? Throw them all out or stick with them! It's not a buffet!

while you may not approve of JW's use of dictionaries, please look up the word facetious. The root word is not "feces", as your spelling ("fecicious") would seem to suggest.

Let's experiment with some made-up adjectives. Imagine if Kirk said "to BOLD go where no man has gone before."

Or we could use some nouns as verbs: "I'm going to GRAMMAR your ass! Don't BRIT me" Interestingly enough, a good number of our nouns are also verbs and vice versa, but these changes usually reflect popular speech patterns (that means more than one person uses them)

Or lets see if we can use make with a verb! "I'm hungry so I'm going to MAKE EAT now" Huhh. that sounds weird.

Now for a change of tone. I thought a little more about "make comment," and I believe it is okay, albeit rare, to use the word "comment" in an abstract sense, not referring to any comment in particular. The ADJECTIVE "rude" in front of it was what threw me, and I personally wouldn't use it that way, I get the sense that "comment" when used abstractly should be neutral, not specifying what types of comments were made. (reply to this comment
From neez
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 08:24

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that's terrific 7.
Two smiley faces are going up on your chart.. (reply to this comment
From 7*
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 08:16

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Ps> Correction of my spelling of the word "grammatics": it should have two m's in it as I have put here. Also a small correction of my punctuation (before any one else gets the urge to)the comma after '"rude" & "comment"' should instead be put after the "&" following it, & there should be another one after...speech"! I Hope that satisfies all the "bright stars" out there! (reply to this comment
From JoeH
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 12:35

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This was so hilarious that I suspect it was either a joke or a typo. Why in God's name would you put a comma AFTER the word "and"? In the post above you nicely had the comma before the "and", where the pause should be and where the two parts of the sentence come together. (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 09:01

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Here's one more: 'rude comment' as you used it does, in fact, have an 'adjective - noun' relationship.

The verb in your sentence was 'make', and since you 'make comment', the noun is 'comment', which makes 'rude' the adjective in 'rude comment'.

According to the dictionaries I have consulted so far, 'rude' can never be used as an adverb and make "perfect grammatical sense", unless it is changed to 'rudely', in which case the phrase should read "I could comment rudely".

Back to school, back to school, back to school we go, hey ho! :) (reply to this comment
From Some
Friday, September 06, 2002, 03:44

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Hi ya' Jw,
How's ya' doin'? [Yes you may correct on the horrid grammar of that sentence if you please!] Just had a bit of time today to look up the grammar rules covering the phrase that came into question "make rude comment", & while it is in no way exhaustive I found what I believe justifies my use of the words in that context. I may not be able to express myself very eloquently so bear with me!
In doing some research on the subject I looked first at dictionaries of slang & Unconventional English (any new usage of language including Shakespear's & many others', including both American & English dialects, have been considered unconventional, yet accepted within the parameters of correct grammatical usage, either because of their utilisation of little used rules, or becAuse of their wide acceptance), & also in dictionaries of catchphrases, jargon & phase usage & allusion (note NOT Illusion). I didn't find anything in those books (albeit I didn't spend much time on them, so cannot vouch for the thoroughness of the research on them) but did eventually pull out "The Oxford English Dictionary" second edition (which comprises twenty volumes) & while I didn't find that exact phrase I did find one very similar that uses the exact same grammatical structure (obviously there's not gonna be a book for every single sentence otherwise there would be nothing left to write if everything had already been written!) & I'll type it here. It's from a 1743 translation of Horaces' Odes (some famous Latin writer/thinker/poet of some sort) & it goes "Nor here shall Mars intemperate wage rude war with him who rules the jovial vine". The word "war" here while being a noun is one that is the name of a certain type of action (or verb) namely fighting on a large scale. The word comment has similar properties that being a noun it is also used as a verb esp. colloquaily, as in "no comment" (ie: I'm not going to say [action-verb] anything on that subject).
The Oxford English Dictionary defines the word "rude" both as an adjective AND an adverb (without adding 'ly' to the end of it) although it does state that it is a rare usage (as I noted in my post). Two examples of this usage (though not the only two) the first a bit old (well, after all english IS an old language, even though it has been adapted & modernised up through the centuries!) is from "Partenay" (I haven't been able to locate accurately or determine if that's the name of a book or an author) & it goes "Then to the abbot, which that balled was, hath Gaffray spokyn [that was the way they spelt it in those days] rude & bustesly". Another more recent usage noted in the dictionary is from James Woodforde's (1740-1803) diary. In it he states "Jane behaved quite rude this Evening". The "rude" there was an adverb describing her behaviour (action-verb).
The word "make" as I'm sure you know is both a verb & a noun.
There are other similar examples of that sort of grammatical usage in common phrases like "he made short work of it" (I think I used that phrase or one similar in one of my posts as well) & "many hands make light work". So, all-in-all which ever way you look at it, it was a correct usage of the admittedly "flexible" (that's one of the great things about English, I don't know much about German, but if their language is anything like their national image then "rigid" would be the first one that springs to my mind! btw, that is in no way meant as an offense!) grammatical rules that govern this common language.
I hope this helps explain things, & I hope I haven't insulted your intelligence by making things quite straight forward & clear.
Sincerely, Jonathan
PS. If you have no objections I may post this on the site.
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From neez
Friday, September 06, 2002, 03:58

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you wanker.. (reply to this comment
From Some
Friday, September 06, 2002, 04:07

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Thanks, I was sure I could count on you for some sweet droplets of wisdom from your leaky faucet of (smart[?]-ass) "knowlege"(?)! Have you thought of anything else clever to say, or are you waiting till the electricity comes on for an hour or so, to pump some more of this sweet shit up to your tank to trickle down to all the thirsty folk on this site? (reply to this comment
From neez
Friday, September 06, 2002, 04:13

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I could think of some, but it's hard to type & peddle this bicycle generator at the same time. My screen keeps dimming & flickering.. much like your grasp on reality. (reply to this comment
From Some
Friday, September 06, 2002, 04:28

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Speaking of reality, some insignificant little no-account some years ago invented a generator that would run on Gasoline (ever heard of it?)! It smells quite putrid but it's got a lot more kick than your obvious feeble attempts on ur bike! May I suggest you disconnect ur generator & get back on that bike (before you go off your trolley), ride out through that bush to the nearest town & exchange some of your iguana skins in exchange for some 21st century technology. While your at it (& if you've got enough skins to trade with) you might pick up a monitor with a built-in current stabiliser to keep it from fluttering! If all else fails you could just build a huge enclosed compost heap where you could store all your excess waste products with apparatus to pipe the produced gas to your abode & thus "power-up" your life! that should keep you busy for a wee-while! Have fun! (reply to this comment
From neez
Friday, September 06, 2002, 07:33

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eheh.. didn't see this peice of racial trash before.

Well your rantings are almost beginning to achieve some form of sense. But pretty please, don't pick on my cities electrical supply.. It's a very sensitive area for me.. I can't talk about it..I have to go now!! >sniff (reply to this comment
From Some
Saturday, September 07, 2002, 03:04

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Bless you x2 (the extra one's for your next sniffle/sneeze[y], [s]neez[y]!)! You know someone really ought to invent that techno hanky. You could make someone here so very sick spreading your germs like that! I'll pray for you to get well again, ok?! Until you do, it's probably best you stay on your penal/leper colony so as not to infect the whole world! We'll send along a physician in a while to verify when you're cured & you can come out of quarantine back to where they have LIGHTS! You might not even have to go to all that trouble of building a compost; wouldn't that be nice?! We'll, get well soon. See ya' out in the warm sunshine! Cheerio! (reply to this comment
From neez
Sunday, September 08, 2002, 03:43

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Still haven't had a single black plague yet, or mad cow outbreak for that matter.
I'd come over & infect yo ass, but my mighty sailship would probably be pirated in your scurvy port.

You really are a (fucken)Pommie aren't ya.. You for one should know better(have u perhaps watched any TV in the last 10yrs? Actually thats all BS as well). I won't bother suggesting anything otherwise as the last thing we need down at my local electrically challenged compost dwelling leper club is any more loudmouth english. (reply to this comment
From Some
Monday, September 09, 2002, 03:07

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Yup, well the Brits have definately had their share of plagues & God lets it happen to keep us humble (you gotta face it, we've had/have quite a bit to be proud about, thought you may not even agree with that. That's ok too!)Just wait till it's your turn! Let's see if we can't get God's hands to turn a few plagues your way. I tell you, there's little worse than a "puffed up" leper who thinks that anyone who loves & follows the Lord instead of his sinful ways that led him to that state, should be cowed out of it withthe kind of verbal abuse you've dished out on this site! He who laughs last, laughs loudest! I'm getting ready for a real scream! btw, have you looked in the mirror recently? How are you gonna smell anything now?! Never mind, you'll make a great companion for MF! (reply to this comment
From neez
Tuesday, September 10, 2002, 00:48

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So whats the ETA on those super duper plague powers of yours? (reply to this comment
From ********
Tuesday, September 10, 2002, 03:10

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Ah, wouldn't you like to know?! (reply to this comment
From Some
Tuesday, September 10, 2002, 03:33

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Yes!! Please tell us. I'd love to hear your unbiased and well ballanced opinion on that. Preach it brother! Don't belittle the gift the Lord has given you!! (reply to this comment
From neez
Thursday, September 12, 2002, 01:52

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Come to think of it.. When hell freezes over & you get your super cape powers, I'll be getting mine too.

Meet you at the north-pole for a bit of a plague power showdown? (reply to this comment
From monger
Tuesday, September 10, 2002, 02:02

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Some/8*/7*, please I beg of you: DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS LATEST POST FROM NEEZ! (neez, donít take this the wrong way buddie, he deserves everything he gets--Iíve just gotta use someone here! :] ) Some/8*, these flame wars are completely pointless, and every time you somehow feel it's your calling from God to respond to EVERY SINGLE LITTLE THING, on any particular page, any original debate or point is COMPLETELY lost!! This page is maybe the best example. Let me give you some friendly advice: SHUT THE FUCK UP! Yes, I've been an asshole on this site too, but at least I can SHUT UP! Some/8*, you make ME seem downright friendly & creative! I never responded to any of your comments directed at me on Sarafina's page, nor will I ever respond directly to any comments of yours anywhere else, unless perhaps you surprise us all and actually make an interesting point that completely leaves out both A) pointless attempts at wit through attacking people (I'm actually all for attacking people :]--but you just don't know when to stop), and B) your own interpretations of the Bible. I personally do believe in the Bible as a good book, but I donít try to interpret it for you. So, Some/8*, hereís a new concept for you: Why donít you just let stupid, pointless, taunting comments and attacks on you speak for themselves, and move on to commenting on real issues?--(If you really must.) You donít ALWAYS have to have the last word. Once again, fucker: *SHUT UP!!!*
Hmmm...I could try to add something to this like "Please donít bother trying to respond to this post with all that cutting wit of yours," but I know you wonít be able to resist for too long. Go on, keep up that hard-earned reputation.
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From monger
Thursday, September 12, 2002, 02:56

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(By the way, I posted something almost word for word the same as this to 8* under Sarafina's page, but it was taken down with the rest of the comments there a few seconds later. Not important in the slightest I know, just explaining why I rewrote something close to it here also.)

You'll notice above that 8*/Some responded to neez after I wrote this anyway...some people just can't take a hint I guess. (reply to this comment
From Andrew
Thursday, September 12, 2002, 04:27

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And some (read MOST) people have the right to decide for THEMSELVES which hints they take & which they ignore! Somebody mentioned somewhere about this being a democracy of sorts, but I guess you musta' missed that part! Who made you chief "hinter"? Is that the part I missed?!
Yes, in case you're wondering this is Jonathan. Andrew is actually my first name & that's why I've added the J. there afterwards! (reply to this comment
From monger
Thursday, September 12, 2002, 06:37

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Thank you AndrewJ/8*/7*/Some. (--what is this, identity crisis?) Actually, even before I added that follow up comment on my post, I had already come to the conclusion that I shouldn't have posted what I did here in the first place; and yes I do agree with your simple logic on this. So as much as I still think I had some good advice for you there (here's a recap: "SHUT UP" :] ), and as much as I find several people in this world to be unbearably obnoxious (you are all of them), you've made a good case here, while managing to leave out the 2 things I asked you to. Thanks again Andrew. Looking forward to more good arguments from you. Honestly dude, you're not being yourself today--the improvement was noticeable immediately. :) (reply to this comment
From monkeyfart
Thursday, September 12, 2002, 07:06

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Yes Monger it certainly appears that 7* + 8* + ******** + Jonathan (aka Jonny)
+ Some = Andrew J, has returned from his extended (one day) of self imposed exile/ silence restriction which no doubt included some element of fasting, obviously a name change (sign of a true metamorphosis), "laying on of hands* of the brethren"- exorcism to cast out evil influences and surely a particular emphasis on "loving Jesus" therapy*.

Yes,7* + 8* + ******** + Jonathan (aka Jonny)+ Some = Andrew J, is definitely a new man, ready to prove his new "metanoya- hood" is not in vain. He appears to be shy now, if not slightly shaken by his recent ordeal in which the minions of hell mutilated the credibility of his previous identities. He will now return (praise be to god) as the extra wise scripture babbler ready to quote less actual scripture and more candid nonsense so as to reach a greater audience of heathens. With Lightning emanating from every stroke of his mighty rod he will dumfound those heathens who so horribly showed him up for his previous stupidity and lead them back for a wonderful group fondling session to un-excommunicate us all. - Come on Andrew, strut your stuff!
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From monger
Thursday, September 12, 2002, 07:28

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Fucking classic, dude!! :)
I can't wait to see this either! (Although personally I'd rather follow a farting monkey.) (reply to this comment
From Andrew
Thursday, September 12, 2002, 07:17

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I refuse to waste much more time on you Mr. Fart (sorry, but I don't think we're really on a first-name basis anymore) other than to say that in my opinion after having left what you claim was delusion that is no more to your taste, you have now found ANOTHER one that IS more to your taste & REFUSE TO BE CONFUSED WITH THE FACTS! In that case, I don't think there's much more I can say to you that will make any difference! You'll have to learn the hard way!!! (reply to this comment
From monkeyfart
Thursday, September 12, 2002, 07:37

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Thanks Mr Drewberger, your spiritual guidance is absolutely withering. - a sad goodbye to a long time spiritual mentor. Guess "if you can't stand the heat..." - get off the computer and take care of your kids.

Good luck with your continued cyber-soap-box preaching. (reply to this comment
From Andrew
Thursday, September 12, 2002, 07:57

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Oh please....you give me way too much credit! It was really nothing! Actually you withered all by yourself! Dead (head) wood burns really easy & it can't stand much heat, especialy if it's poreus filled with natural combustables! Sorry but I gotta go find some other posts to comment on.....you can't hog ALL my "spiritual guidance"! (reply to this comment
From monger
Thursday, September 12, 2002, 07:46

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Yup. Gotta say...definitely back to being himself again. (reply to this comment
From monger
Thursday, September 12, 2002, 07:30

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Hey if Monkeyfart ever starts a cult I'll be his first disciple!! :) (reply to this comment
From Andrew
Thursday, September 12, 2002, 07:33

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You certainly should be. You'll fit right in....you know, "birds of a feather..." & that kinda' thing! (reply to this comment
From Andrew
Thursday, September 12, 2002, 06:53

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As to the identity crisis.....some of those 3 S's (Slimy Scum-bag Shits!)started up with the faking my name again! only this time they managed to get around the fact that I had registered & had been assured by Jules that if I did my "name" would be secure!! Someone f**king coward even registered another ******** (8*) & has made a whole string of comments in my name so the difference you've noticed is that I'm PISSED OFF! I'll take the credit or blame (well, mainly just the blame) for MY OWN posts, but if someone is such a goddam coward as to not even have the courage to take the heatr for their own posts then what the FUCK do you do???? I e-amiled Jules & complained about it & even posted an article under the name "Some....." & it's been almost three days & it hasn't even been placed on the site! What...is this some sort opf a conspiracy???!!! IS someone so fucking concerned with making sure that people can say whatever they want about Girls pictures under the guise of "NO- CENCORSHIP" & "FREE-SPEECH" & at the same time be putting something out as being from some one & yet not even have the DECENCY to print his rebuttal???!!! This is almost as bad as the US-Gv gagging the press at Waco & the Gulf-war & possibly worse, because everyone here is at the same time complaining that this is why they hate the Family!!!! What the hell is going on??!!! (reply to this comment
From Some
Thursday, September 12, 2002, 08:37

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People who spoof you aren't cowards, we're pranksters. And the method I'm using to do it is so simple I'm surprised no one's figured it out yet. All the clues are there. (reply to this comment
From Andrew
Thursday, September 12, 2002, 08:40

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Well knock yourself out there! You've gotta have something worth living for haven't you?! Some form of self-amusement to fill your worthless meaningless lives!!! (reply to this comment
From monkeyfart
Saturday, September 07, 2002, 03:44

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Some(one), who ever the F@#K you are, someone (else) should do the world a favour and put you directly out of your misery.- Donít bother with the grannyís cough drops, you wonít be needing any! - One dose of cyber-Ebola coming your way!

Enjoy your sunshine while it lasts cause it's Ďbout to rain s#$K$r.
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From JohnnieWalker
Saturday, September 07, 2002, 04:48

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Some = ******** = (former)******* = (former)7* = Seven = (former)SevenAsteriks = Jonathan.

It's all the same person, MF. apparently he's been registered as ******** (8 stars - 1 for every letter in "Jonathan") for a while and has only just decided to make use of it. His multiple personalities are probably meant to throw people off and make it look like the posts are coming from different people, but since all his (legit) posts are coming from the same angle it's pretty easy to see through it. (reply to this comment
From Some
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I'm disappointed in you JW, I really thought you'd be more discerning than that. The only names I registered are "********" (8 of them) & "Some (one) who used to call himself 7*"--I accidently missed out the "one", the computer just puts in "Some," for short. All the others were registered by someone else, or a few someone else's, trying to copy what they think is my writing style! If Jules has a way of seeing where they were registered & has an incling to tell you, she would confirm my story! So I'm sorry to say you've found yourself "seeing through" a hall of dark glasses! I had said in one post on this page where I corrected the postings of an imposter that I wouldn't post here any more for now & that if I did it would be under a different name, & I haven't! If you look at the date/time that was posted then you'll know that anything after that date or time having anything to do with any version of the name 7* was NOT from me, but some other slimy piece of scum-bag s**t! I hope that you're not trying to distract attention from the comment I put to you regarding this very subject in reply to one of your comments on another article supposedly posted by me. That would be a bit of a cop-out! Hope this helps clarify things! Thanks. (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Sunday, September 08, 2002, 07:50

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Jonathan, I see no need for anyone to be dissapointed. I'm sure you noticed the '(former)' that I put next to several of the screen names. That was supposed to mean that you don't post under those names anymore. What I was trying to say (and I would have hoped you'd realize this) is that you, at one point, have posted something under each of those names and not that you are registered as every one of them. Understand?

It might surprise you to know this (although I doubt it) but I can actually tell which are your posts and which are from imposters (although I wouldn't be able to tell you who the imposters are). So, honestly, there's no need for Jules to tell me. She's got better things to do than track down your imposters. If they bother you, you'll have to do something about it.

I haven't actually read what you posted in reply to my comment on a "fake" post -- a comment, which, I might add, was posted in full awareness of the posts inauthenticity. I don't visit this site as often as I used to and when I do, I prefer to read and respond to stuff that will be worth my time. As such, I have chosen to ignore your future posts until time allows me to do otherwise. (reply to this comment
From Some
Saturday, September 07, 2002, 03:57

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Ssshhhhh, not so loud! The FBI might be monitoring this site & discover that you're the one sending these viruses about! We'd hate to lose the most talented guy on this site at finding all the weirdest & most wonderful symbols on the keyboard! (reply to this comment
From monkeyfart
Saturday, September 07, 2002, 04:09

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Said like a true paranoid cultist! Sorry to paint this picture for you but the FBI has given up on you wacko's a long time ago. Yep, they figure overall it just makes more sense for you all to masterbate yourselves to death or find some other "loving Jesus" method to finish yourselves off. It seems it was either you or a pay rise, & I guess you just lucked out.

Not to worry, I'm sure you'll find plenty of other ways to rub yourselves raw until your finally whisked up into the sky.

PS: Treasure hunt: The wonderful symbols you adore may be accessed even by your 3rd world key board by pressing shift-& other mystery keys (keep hunting)- Really hope you find the gold! (reply to this comment
From Some
Saturday, September 07, 2002, 04:18

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So, you're "seeking treasure where there is only trash--too much sanity may be madness". Attributed to one of the gratest paranoids of all time, who none-the-less had a gentle spirit & only sought to right the world's wrongs & see a kinder gentler world than the one he came into, which is more than can be said for you or any one else from the planet where your species are dominant! (reply to this comment
From monkeyfart
Saturday, September 07, 2002, 14:37

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Firstly, if even the slightest attempt had been made on your part to disguise your inability to make any sense I probably wouldnít respond. Firstly, since you're responding to my previous comment you will note it is you not I that should be on a "Treasure Hunt" (fun, fun), & you not I are a paranoid cultist. As for why your reading & quoting the writings of "one of the greatest paranoids of all time", and obviously draw from his character, one can only surmise that you require such companionship to explain your own delusions which you are unable to face up to.

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From Some
Monday, September 09, 2002, 03:20

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I'm wondering as to "facing up" to things if you've had a chance to "see" your non-existant "face" recently? How do you find it in that cloud of mist?! 'Tis a mystery to me! No wonder the FBI haven't found you yet...they don't know what they're looking for! Even if they did, they usually go for somebody who's really GOT something that's worth their time! After all a MONKEYFART is just something that's a damn nuisance rather than any sort of threat! Isn't oblivion bliss (for YOU that is, not everyone who has to SMELL you!)?! RIP!
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From Some
Monday, September 09, 2002, 03:21

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In case your wondering that's supposed to be R.I.P!! (reply to this comment
From monkeyfart
Saturday, September 07, 2002, 15:30

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Typographical adjustment:
Sorry, slight misuse of the word "firstly" in my above comment; the first "firstly" should read "firstly" & the second "firstly" should read "secondly".- Thought it might be better with the clarification so as to do without [(Some)dickhead] getting too aroused by his extraordinary ability to notice an obvious typo.

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From 7*
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 10:09

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I shall have to research this area in greater depth before I can knowledgebly reply to this post, but like you said you've only researched dictionaries. I'm still of the opinion that it does make grammatical sense (as you yourself alluded to in the last paragraph of your previous post on the subject), but shall defer the matter for the time being!
Remember I said that it was not the most commonly-used sentence structure, but does make grammatical sense! The word "comment" can be either a noun or a verb & while there definately is a noun-adjective relationship it is not (as far as I understand the structure of sentences to go) the only one there is (as I pointed out & tried to explain)! In literature there is a lot more than is usually employed in speech in the way of "correct" word usage, & many writers (Shakespeare included) have thought up, & do think up new & different words, word usages & writing styles, using & adapting the rules of language that we have now, to be able to express a variety of various thoughts in a variety of different & quite interesting ways! All of which add color to language & make it so much more interesting!
Regarding insults, of which you've gone to so much length to try to criticise me of, do you think that the last line of your post (the one I'm commenting on) could be construed as an insult?! It could appear to the uninformed reader that you are going to great lengths to insult my inteligence & find a hole in my "armour". Are you?! (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 10:45

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Let's recap: I was refering to your statement that "If you take the words "rude" & "comment", & remembering your "9 parts of speech" you look at the words as an adverb & a verb, respectively (rather than an adjective & a noun), you will see that it makes perfect grammatical sense!".

Let's say, using a bit of creativity, that "rude" can be used as an adverb and "comment" retains its use as a verb. Your sentence, in this case, would make even less sense. Leaving the adjective-noun context makes perfect sense, no matter if it is a creative way of using the word or not. In short: I was pointing out the incorrectness of the "adverb & verb" bit.

Just out of interest: What books are you going to research in (other than 'only' dictionaries) to find the proper meanings and usage of a word?

About the last line, let's put it this way: If I wanted it to be an insult, I would have replaced the 'we' with 'you' left off the smiling face at the end. You see, that's how easy it is to mistake a normal comment for an insult. All the more reason to pay attention to them. (reply to this comment
From 7*
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JW, as I've already said I don't go around throwing insults for no reason, so as far as I am concerned there isn't an arguement there! I've already stated that I shall defer the matter until I have researched it further, & where I decide to do my research is of my own choosing! As far as the "smiling face", thanks for letting me know what that was! It has always been a bit of a mystery to me as I usually use 'emoticons' rather than keyboard characters! (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Thursday, August 22, 2002, 04:35

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OK, when you decide to do your research, let me know. I'm in no rush.

About the emoticons (the character representations go by the same name), here are a few more in case you're interested. (NOTE: I am not making these in reference to you.)

:P = sticking out tongue
:D = laughing
:( = frowning
:*) = kiss on cheek
(*) = asshole
@->-- = a rose/flower

There a loads more and I'm sure you can find several Web sites with emoticon dictionaries if you are interested. (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Tuesday, July 23, 2002, 07:07

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Ahhhh! What a joy to be relieved of my burden. My mind is now at ease knowing that my comprehension has not suffered decay. Thank you for the clarifiation, FDF! (reply to this comment
From Free_Dom_Fighter
Tuesday, July 23, 2002, 07:12

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Cheers mate! (reply to this comment
From %%%%%%%
Tuesday, July 23, 2002, 05:17

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cont'd....& since I'm getting used to "catching the flack" on this site, you might understand why I misunderstood (according to you)that the "who this is" was refering to me! Pardon me! (reply to this comment
From Free_Dom_Fighter
Tuesday, July 23, 2002, 03:14

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AUGGH! That last comment was supposed to say: "from Free Dom Fighter"...not just "Free" (reply to this comment

from *******
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Dear Ricky,
I'm sorry to hear that you feel that way about the man who did more for you than anyone else in the world. I know that it is a sad fact of human nature that we tend to find it a lot easier to "find fault than to value virtue". I don't know exactly why you've felt it necessary to trample on the man's grave, or to "dishonour your mother" like that. Whatever her faults may have been or even may still be, she's still your mother & as such entitled to immunity from disrespect like that from you. It shows me a certain lack of Charity on your part to malign her like that. I know that it may not be "biting the hand that feeds you, but it could be considered "biting the hand that HAS fed you". I know no-one is perfect & that's why in a sense I hesitate to mention this, & maybe in a sense you felt you needed to get it out of your system in order to 'move on', but I really in all honesty can't imagine you moving on to greater blessings from the Lord in your life while you still hold those views! It may not be my place to say, but I would be inclined to think you owe your mother an apology, for having maligned her publicly in such a vicious fashion as you have on this post. I may not always agree with many things my mom says or does, & while I may mention it to my (flesh) brothers or sisters or to her directly, I think I would have the fear of the Lord to know not to put it out on the web! I realise of course that you may feel that because she is in a sense a public figure..
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From *******
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....(cont'd)you might feel it necesasary to take it upon yourself to "rebuke (or expose) her before all, that others also may fear", but I really don't think it's your place! I realise that you may have wanted to "jump on a popular bandwagon" & ride a wave of popular support for whatever reason, & in a sense I can understand that; however I still can not justify it in my mind! I'm sure you're aware of Jesus' confirmation of one of the basic laws of God first officially formulated by moses in Exo 20:17 in the fifteenth chapter of Matthew, verse 4. It is quite a sober warning & not one to be taken lightly or flipantly.
I sympathise with you in the sentiments you have expressed, but I must confess, I felt it was VERY slanted & one-sided in it's portrayal of events. Maybe you were trying to make it more popular to read, or to make it more acceptable to a voraciously apetited group of individuals calling for blood, but do you really think it's worth the risk? I'm in no position to answer that for you & feel that you would have to decide that for yourself! I'm really sorry for what you say you went through, but it may warrant reminding you that whatever you say you went through, there were no doubt certain advantages that counter-balanced the dis-advantages you say you experienced living in the same house as Mo & Maria. If you need them spelled out for you I could start by saying that in the sitution you were in you didn't have the immediate concerns involved in living on the.... (reply to this comment
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mission-field of helping with the support of the home, that I've encountered on this web-site as being a particular issue many have greviences about. One could be inclined to think that a reasoning in your mind behind your decision to portray life in the Royal Household in such a tarnished light is to ease your conscience in facing the "real-world" out side & coming to terms with how easy in some ways you had it comparitavely speaking, & to let people know that you weren't spoiled while there. That's understandable in a sense & possibly even forgivable, but still not very fair! Please understand that I'm not trying to put you down for "speaking your mind" or "sharing you heart" as you seem to have done quite successfully here, nor am I saying that you were necessarily wrong to have done so, but I am saying that I felt it was a little un-balanced & one-sided, just as you claim many of their accounts of the procession of events were. I'm not going to go into detail to what I feel or think on the specific topics you mentioned, but will say that even if you want to look at it in the extreme light of "where iniquity doth abound, grace doth MUCH MORE abound" it still doesn't put your post among the most evenly-balanced of literary pieces. No matter what the dis-advantages you say there may have been to living there, I think that for the most part the advantages must have outwighed the disadvantages. I sincerely hope you're not offended by this & I think you're a real nice guy. GB! (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Monday, July 22, 2002, 11:35

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*******, before you wrote what you did above, did you stop to think about the fact that because you have never met the people who Ricky refers to in his post and who you now seem to be defending, you may not have a clue about really happened? Did you stop to think about how all your time in the Family you have only heard one side of the story, that this the other side and that the truth might just be somewhere down the middle? Did it cross your mind that if even half of the stuff which Ricky said is true, that it doesn't make for a very pretty picture? If you're the fair-minded person you claim to be, then it probably did.

Did you stop to think that it might just be possible, however remotely, that the people (Maria, Peter and Berg) who you trusted and let tell you how to live your life while in the Family might not have been completely honest with you about how they lived their's? They are only human, after all.

Before you come down on Ricky for what he's written, maybe it would do you good to take a moment to reflect on your life in the Family and put things into an unbiased perspective.

Isn't that what being fair-minded is all about? You consider yourself a fair-minded person. Why is this not so obvious from your posts?

From the tone of some of his other post on this site, it seems that Ricky could have embelished and exaggerated a lot more that he has in this article.

Why is it so difficult for you to take his word for it? Would it shatter the image you've had of your time in the Family? Would it cause you to "die daily"?

Why do you call into question what the members of this site have to say yet trust every word that Berg, Maria and Peter have to say? Where's the fair-mindedness in that?

Would you tell a child that was a victim of starvation or war that the "advantages must have outweighed the disadvantages"? Probably not. Why then to someone whose torment was largely emotional and spiritual?

About your jobs: Thank you for telling us about that. I'm sure you realised you were going to get a lot of flack for posting those details of your life on here, so I admire your courage.

If I may make a suggestion, though (and I don't mean this as an insult): You might want to take the time you spend on this website (which must be quite a bit, judging from the amount of your input alone and not including the reading and browsing) and invest it in studying for or getting a more stable career. That what I would do at least if I had a career history like yours.

I'm sure you realise that your family is dependant on you and that if you have a stable career you will be more able to "provide for your own".

Think about the future; your's and that of your child. You're not going to get any support in your old age (yes, you might actually die of old age before Jesus returns) from doing a different job every year. What's your retirement plan? I don't think that planning for the future is what Jesus had in mind when he said "Take no thought for the morrow".

That's just a suggestion, though, and it's not to say you haven't already done that. I don't claim to know what is best for you. What you do with your life and that of your family is ultimately your choice.

I hope that interview works out for you. (reply to this comment
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