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What worked for the Japanese... | from DodgyTodger - October 31, 2002
accessed 2967 times didn't exactly go down a treat elsewhere. Right, I've noticed there are a lot of postings from people who grew up in Japan and hoping that you are one and the same faces in all of the videos I had to get this rant off my chest the lot of you mullet headed, hip-hop listening, hip-swinging, high-top wearing twats.
Your video antics were ten years past their sell by date by the time anyone in the western world was supposed to try and sell them.
How embarrassing! I have a bone to pick with anyone who considered themselves a style icon of that place.
On a more positive note - tokyo-style is suddenly quite fashionable here in London, so get out your old digs you HCS dorks!
To further illustrate my point, young people in Europe got with the program and left in droves 3-5 years before you lot had your first "doubt", is that because you thought you were stars? (sympathetic aaauhhh) poor things.
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from rainy
January 13, 2007 - 17:39
This is such a great thread packed with memories...it's like a little snapshot of the early 90s. I love being able to look back from the outside and have a laugh or a shudder, or a rueful blush. Why is it in the trailer park?
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| from Meathead
September 28, 2006 - 05:10
aw ya nice post. u said it
(reply to this comment) | from Oddman
January 9, 2005 - 17:39
Well, I was in Japan at the time, and I'd have to say that stuff was all very backward for even the Japanese market.
I reckon they had the wrong producers, the wrong directors, and the wrong message. There are a good number of pieces that could be revamped with a proper message, (like change any reference to fucking a dead god into something about dumping your girlfriend) marketed with the right people. and turned into big bucks.
(reply to this comment) | from Meathead
July 5, 2004 - 22:53
U r damn fucking right on man
(reply to this comment) | from Baxter
April 23, 2004 - 03:29
Mean spirited- but oh so painfully true!
(reply to this comment) | from Eaglebleeds
June 23, 2003 - 05:15
I grew up in Japan and left from there too. I agree with you in that all those celebrities were dorks but I think if you were one of them you would of done and been the same.
I know I probably would of. It's only when hard times hit that we really think. When all's going good why change it. Right?
(reply to this comment) | from porceleindoll
October 31, 2002 - 20:27
I totally agree with Dodgy, that the stuff produced in Japan was out of date, out of style, and I can't even stand to look at the stuff anymore, I gave it all away. It does go to show just how extremely isolated we were in the Family, esp. during that period of time. We never watched TV, never listened to radio, never went to the movies, nothing. The HCS was located in the country, surrounded by hills, rice paddies, the beach was close enough. There was nothing to draw a current idea of current style from! It's amazing they did as good as they did considering the ignorance in current styles and all.
When SaraD came, she taught us all how to do 50s dance steps, which was exciting cause we never did anything other than gypsy dancing up to that point.
Though I lived in Japan for almost all my years in the Family, it's kind of embarassing at times to admit it because I realise the extent that Japan's influence (meaning the things that started there and were carried to the rest of the Family--the School idea, the IVM, the teen revolutions, etc, the victors) and that it did a lot of harm throughout the Family and in the lives of many youth.
Anyway, I wouldn't consider myself any kind of icon, and I don't think many of the 'Japanites' do either, if so, then they are a bit outdated in their opinion of themselves.
But one thing I'd like to stress is to not make assumptions of a person based simply on what he/she did in the Family, where they lived, etc. People are not necessarily what you think they are based only on those things, and we are also not who we were a decade ago.
(reply to this comment) |  From DodgyTodger
Friday, November 01, 2002, 04:16
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Got to work this morning and am glad to see veryone isn't taking my rant as seriously as Derenged1 who accused me of racism! I would never even utter any of the terms he so freely posted.
I'm just moaning about something I used to moan about when I was "in" 6-7 years ago...young people who came from Japan where they lived in a WS funded bubble that churned out material so out of touch with the rest of the world it was a nightmare to sell. (I do understand if none of it was their idea)
A handful came over to western Europe and promptly set about recreating the same crap. even wore the same costumes!
God if I ever see another guy in a satin sash and parachute pants!! hehe (reply to this comment) |
| | from IRemember
October 31, 2002 - 19:46
You've got to be kidding, the teens who came from Europe in the early 90's were a joke! They were listening to Michael Jackson and Guns and Roses, for Gods sake! Wearing fluorecent clothes too.
That being said, the "Nihonjinn's " could be pretty annoying. Especially the ones that went there later, they would come back expecting everyone to want their "Training" and advice, even though everybody on the so-called field had already been there!
Dear God, thank you for delivering me from your followers.
(reply to this comment) | | | | From sougly
Friday, November 01, 2002, 09:44
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One thing I just have to say...Those of you who were in Japan at the time that we made the (I think they were called) "The Summer Concert" and the "Christmas Concert" - right before I left, which would have been around 93. Do you remember how we had to wear long sleeved outfits for the summer concert and short sleeves for the winter? No idea what was going on there - LOL!!
And the way that they always made us girls put our hair in cardboard rollers and then they would proceed to mat it into knots on the top of our head - China and Ginny will know exactly what I am talking about...certainly not what a 13 year old girl that is already terribly self conscious wants to look like....LOL!!!
I thank my lucky stars I don't have to see those videos anymore.....
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| | | | | | | | | | | From get a life
Monday, February 10, 2003, 07:25
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To dis Japanese fashion only proves that you really do live in New Jersey.
Even though "Seventeen magazine" may not be aware of this, fashion capitals of the world include: New York, London, Paris, Milan and Tokyo. So instead of trying to make some kid feel guilty over something he had no control over, might I suggest that you get rid of the curling iron, stop shoping at Kmart (yes, I've seen your image gallery), take a few more trips to Manhattan and STOP using the word "dork".
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| | From Ex-member
Wednesday, April 16, 2003, 12:33
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WTF? How come Jersey's response to this went to the trailer park and not this comment itself? I am just baffled at the clear predjudice here...if anything the very ID line of this comment is inflamatory...she is dissing Jerz who in turn simply explained herself, I think, very calmly. politely and with humor. Given such provocation....I have to admit, I would have commented in a way that was sure to be sent there, and that rightly so...as opposed to Jers' response. Who grades this stuff anyway? And why are you acting like Aunties and Uncles censoring folk you feel are "out of the spirit" for voicing views different from your own? (reply to this comment) |
| | From Jerseygirl
Monday, March 03, 2003, 07:45
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I was not dissing Japanese fashion. As much as I do go into NY on a regular basis, I am not financially able to shop in Manhattan as much as I'd like. I work at nite, raise three kids, and study fulltime so that hopefully someday soon I will be able to afford such luxuries.I've always hated my naturally curly hair but there isn't much I can do about it.You seem to be a bit overly sensitive about Japan, might I suggest you chill out with a little zinfandel and Bon Jovi? hahaha--I'm getting an urge to call you a dork so I'll sign off here. Take care (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From DodgyTodger
Friday, November 01, 2002, 10:41
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Absolutely Jerseygirl, I do agree, I was considered "talented" throughout my life in the Family but I was also punished the entire time because I refused to contribute in any way.
Funny thing is as a European I'm not offended by the term Euro-trash, some people mistake the term as the equivalent of white-trash when in reality it embodies a breed of sophisticated, uber-fashionable, art-savvy, hedonistic and somewhat camp posh kids who indulge in recreational drugs and 60s-70s cult cinema - think Amelie, Dobermann, Suspiria and David Bowie - not Jerry Springer.
I'll put it this way, if the Yanks are aspiring to the yuppie lifestyle we city Europeans aspire to the Eurotrash lifestyle - which is a condradiction because Eurotrash is about an appearance of non-aspirational fatalism.
I'm lecturing now - welcome to Eurotrash. (reply to this comment) |
| | From Joe H
Wednesday, April 16, 2003, 19:59
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The funny thing about the term "white trash" is that it's really not derogatory either. It refers to people who live a simplistic life, preferring to indulge in cheap beer and lottery tickets rather than subject themselves to the stress and pretentiousness of the yuppy lifestyle/
(end of satire)
How the hell can you think a term with "trash" in it can be a compliment? Have another Amstel and shut up! (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From porceleindoll
Thursday, October 31, 2002, 20:31
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Exactly, who had a corner on 'coolness'? It was even banned for awhile to say the word 'cool' and if you did anything that was 'cool' you got into serious trouble. Does anyone remember the big correction and talks given to the HCS teens back in '89 or so with PeterA and SaraD which resulted in the whole 'you want to be cool' FSMs? And those 3 guys got sent off to Newheart's for retraining? And for years and years it just wasn't 'cool' to be cool in the Family, it was more trouble than it was worth, and if you were too cool you were sent to victors or something like it.
So, I agree, we were all dorks. Even getting your hair cut in a salon was a big event or buying yourself something brand new rather than rummaging through forsake-alls and provisioning. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From porceleindoll
Thursday, October 31, 2002, 23:14
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I do, vaguely. I remember they were making a video, and he was sitting on the stage talking. I didn't quite realise at the time, for some reason, that Berg and Zerby were living in that white house. When it finally dawned on me, and who exactly that little new blond-head girl with big blue eyes and the skinny brown kid were, I sort of went into shock, ha ha! (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | from Auty
October 31, 2002 - 15:59
I have to agree most of what you've stated. But in defense of the folks on those cheesy videos, I was an IVM secretary working under Sam (of Eden), Samson, Chris Mountain and Josiah for years. And I'll tell you what, EVERYTHING, down to the moves, clothing & even accessories on those videos all had to be approved by Maria (Zerby). I remember transcribing endless amounts of "what about those sunglasses" and back and forth letters to them. It was a bummer to say the least. SOOOOOOO it really wasn't the kids faults who were in those videos, they were picked, not volunteers.
(reply to this comment) | | | | From Bella
Thursday, October 31, 2002, 22:16
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So Auty -- Remember when we smuggled those boxes of clothes that Mom sent us and then we got "caught" and had to hand them over to Auntie Ginny who went through them and said "most of the stuff in there was too worldly to even use in the videos." Later however, half the "worldly garbage" was hanging in the video dressing room. I bet that was approved by Zerby as well eh? - Bitch. (reply to this comment) |
| | from thepersoniamnow
October 31, 2002 - 15:05
If I ever learned one thing in life its that theres absolutely nothing cool about japanese fashion or style.
If Londoners think its hip then they are even more pathetic than Tokyo
(reply to this comment) | from Bella
October 31, 2002 - 12:53
Didn't you post this already under the name "Interruption" on the "Anyone in Japan" thread? Is it really so important that you had to repeat yourself by dedicating a whole page to it?
I agree that the videos coming out of the HCS were behind the times, but I know that the teens/YAs who participated in the films had no choice as to what they wore. Furthermore, I highly doubt anyone from the HCS who was in any of those videos, believes they are "style icons" -- give me a break.
Congratulations for getting out when you did, that shows not only strength but also character. I believe however, that all who left the cult possess these same virtues, REGARDLESS of when they left. Since you are so ahead of everyone on this board though, please tell us the date and place you left from, so that we too can pay you homage.
(reply to this comment) | From DodgyTodger
Thursday, October 31, 2002, 13:12
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I remember being involved in a attempt to recreate the "TIV" in Europe and flogging the "performance" and the videos in clubs, festivals etc.
I refused to do anything more than leave the bloody cassettes on a table as I could hear our audience muttering "what shit music" and "are they gypsies" (which is quite offensive as gypsies are known as thieves and beggars throughout)
All I'm saying is there was always a promise of "tools that sell themselves" out of Japan and a large proportion of tithe went to supporting that cult dysneyland - in my opinion there's nothing to show for it.
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| | from Deranged1
October 31, 2002 - 11:15
I'm sure you'd love to write something equally asinine about the Chinks, Niggers, Gooks, Wetbacks, Kikes, Wops, Spics, Honkeys, Towelheads, Camel Jockeys, etc etc (did I miss any?), so I'm assuming this has more to do with YOU than anything that came out of Japan (I mean hell, take a look at the videos that came out of Brazil!!) Get over it; WWII is over. :) I'm sure some of our dear HCS dorks did get into the whole trip, but most of them didn't have a choice. Living there meant being on call for any filming any time, no matter how comical the costume they picked out for you was. Go pick a different "bone." (It might even help you let out some of that frustration.)
(reply to this comment) | | | | from Jerseygirl
October 31, 2002 - 09:03
YEY! Put up your dookers Japanites!
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