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from colden November 14, 2008 - 19:36 Your 32 and you train in the mud with your boys? what are they 4 and 7?  you feel tough on your knees "prayer warior" waiting like some hungry cunt to recieve your fill of armageddon. no one cares! hey and if you ever get the thirst to test your skills let me just say: your cage or mine?  (reply to this comment)

from GreenDopeDoorDeala July 26, 2008 - 16:51 Sheep....all i have to say is, you and your little pussy fuck brothers.....come to where i lived after the family!! You can study all you want! You could be a master of martial arts but you know what, nothing makes up for street experience! I would personally fuck you and your cunt faced brothers up! I go to Oceanside Ca and hit on the marines women just for fun. Not cause they are hot but because i like beating up people and marines dont take kindly to POTG hitting on their women. All that to say is i like fighting people that think they know how to fight. I am street bitch...all your training will not save you from my fingers in your eyes or ripping out your jugular or my elbow smashing your punk ass face or me pulling out your hair and smashing your teeth through your lips or me putting you in a lock and breaking your bones. You have no idea you coward fuck how much i would love to knock you the fuck out! If you were not such a bitch you would have gone and trained in the real training rink like i did....the streets. Nothing can suffice for experience and if you really did train you know i speak the truth. I am a master of 47th st jeet-kune-i will fuck you up-do. Fuck you. (reply to this comment)

from GreenDopeDoorDeala July 26, 2008 - 16:51 Sheep....all i have to say is, you and your little pussy fuck brothers.....come to where i lived after the family!! You can study all you want! You could be a master of martial arts but you know what, nothing makes up for street experience! I would personally fuck you and your cunt faced brothers up! I go to Oceanside Ca and hit on the marines women just for fun. Not cause they are hot but because i like beating up people and marines dont take kindly to POTG hitting on their women. All that to say is i like fighting people that think they know how to fight. I am street bitch...all your training will not save you from my fingers in your eyes or ripping out your jugular or my elbow smashing your punk ass face or me pulling out your hair and smashing your teeth through your lips or me putting you in a lock and breaking your bones. You have no idea you coward fuck how much i would love to knock you the fuck out! If you were not such a bitch you would have gone and trained in the real training rink like i did....the streets. Nothing can suffice for experience and if you really did train you know i speak the truth. I am a master of 47th st jeet-kune-i will fuck you up-do. Fuck you. (reply to this comment)

from Eva St John & family and friends January 3, 2006 - 22:02 For the sake of media researchers, government investigators and other new visitors to this site who do not yet know the background or the actual facts pertaining to the allegations made by the party/ies in the statements above and below, the following ‘assertions’ made by them can be readily found to be completely fictitious and imagined, and have no basis in reality whatsoever. These statements are entirely false: “…critics of this site denied access.” / “…critics of this site are censored in denial of…free speech…” / “When it comes to religious intolerance first prize must go to…"Moving On" and “Xfamily”.” - (There is open tolerance of all religious and anti-religious views voiced here, provided they are not supporting child abuse, or deceptive, coercive and harmful practices, or maliciously spamming the site with ‘hate mail’ ad infinitum to satisfy a malevolent ulterior agenda, as this party has been doing. Even so, their ‘poison pen’ vitriol has not been removed entirely but merely voted onto the ‘unsubstantiated garbage’ section of the site as an example of the mental deterioration and moral degeneration of TFI’s members and affiliates). [Moving On and xFamily sites] “…promot(e) a video planning a recent murder suicide in the US..”. - (No ‘promoting’ of such is being done whatsoever. Like other media and video footage available on Moving On and xFamily, it is merely being used as an important example of the tragic results of The Family International’s past child-rearing [child abuse] practices). “…two (Australian) State Governments launched simultaneous raids on cult homes in New South Wales and Victoria taking into custody over 190 children.” – (It was not 190, but approximately 130 children that were taken into temporary care while the cult’s harmful child rearing practices were being investigated). “However when the total resources of both State governments failed to prove one single case of abuse, the courts threw the case out as vexatiously motivated.” - (The case was most certainly not ‘thrown out’. As in many Family Court cases, there was a court settlement made whereby TFI had to agree to have themselves and their children closely monitored by department social workers for at least the next year or two, and they had to abide by some strict rules and guidelines laid down by the court. There was absolutely no so-called ‘exoneration’ or ‘failure to prove’ or ‘charges dropped’, as TFI claims in their PR literature and media releases about the cases. If TFI was innocent, as they claim, then why did they agree to the dire imposition of being monitored and supervised and having to implement the court orders of the government welfare authorities, instead of allowing the court process to speedily ‘prove their innocence’? TFI’s willingness to stop the case from going ahead by making a contractual agreement with the welfare authorities to come under their ongoing scrutiny in reality proved their guilt. Another important point is that the Australian welfare authorities did not get the chance to give any of the children a medical examination for signs of abuse before TFI’s criminal attorneys managed to pull legal strings to have the children returned to the cult. The authorities had over 70 witnesses who were submitting sworn affidavits and were willing to come forward and testify against TFI, but again, through the devious antics of TFI’s criminal lawyers, the legal process was underhandedly prolonged and drawn out in order to keep any of the witnesses from taking the stand. This was due to the fact that TFI and its legal team knew that the moment the witnesses took the stand and began ‘telling all’, it would spell certain death to their defense. Thus, due to the probability of the case dragging out for several years and costing millions of dollars, the decision was made to settle the case out of court - which is what happens in the majority of Family Court cases. Since the time of the Australian raids and court cases, quite a number of the children that were involved in the raids have since left TFI cult as young adults, and have testified that they were, in fact, molested and abused as children, but had been intensively indoctrinated and programmed to deny everything to outsiders, especially to child welfare authorities – who in the cult’s children’s books, are depicted as malevolent wolves in sheep’s clothing not to be trusted). “The story (re: Eva’s daughter contracting VD at 18 months old) was later debunked by friends of Ms. St John who said she “had VD at the time and transmitted it to her daughter at birth”…” – (No friends of Eva St John have ever ‘debunked’ her account of this incident, she definately did not have VD at the time of giving birth to her daughter, nor did her daughter have the disease until approximately a week before it was diagnosed. These fictitious claims come solely from TFI cult members and their affiliates themselves under the pretense of being ‘long time friends’ of Eva’s, when they in fact perceive Eva as an ‘arch villain’ for being a whistle-blower to TFI’s criminal practices, and have perceived her as such for the past 15 years since her defection). “…(her) story was concocted to green mail the group in Australia.” / “…she is seeking to “green mail” the cult in exchange for her silence!” / “Ms St John was livid at not receiving compensation and claimed she would “sue the cult”. - (Whilst the meaning of the term ‘green mailing’ remains dubious, it appears to be insinuating that Eva’s motive or agenda is to somehow ‘blackmail’ TFI for personal gain. They seem to be implying that she is ‘concocting’ these stories in order to get TFI to ‘pay her off’ for her future silence. As she has been publicly speaking up about TFI’s abuse of its children for the past 15 years, and has never once approached the cult for any form of personal compensation, this is clearly – again – a completely imagined and groundless allegation). “She is reported to be in hiding from the Australian ABC TV programme "Media Watch" is seeking to interview Ms. St John to answer allegations that she lied to 60 Minutes.” - (Eva is not ‘in hiding’ from anyone, especially the media who have interviewed her repeatedly, and all her interviews have been corroborated by other first-hand witnesses and copious material evidence. ‘Media Watch’ has been contacted, and according to them the claims alluding to them in the statement above are completely fictitious). “Ms. St John (is) seeking to launch civil action after being sidelined, missing out in an out of court settlement that saw cult members awarded compensation.” - (At no time has Eva ever shown any personal interest in, or sought to be involved in, any financial settlement or compensation claim for or against TFI. She does, however, heartily support the idea of the cult’s second generation ex members engaging in a class action against the group). “…Ms. St John who lived off welfare for decades is seeking a nest egg retirement fund…. Now that the welfare laws are tightening and she is faced with the prospect of getting a fulltime secular job she is seeking to “green mail” the cult in exchange for her silence!” - (Since leaving TFI Eva has worked consecutively at several full time ‘secular’ jobs, and expended great effort to financially support and care for her family for many years until they were grown and independent. All disparaging insinuations in regards to ‘welfare’ are simply groundless slander and an attempt to cast doubt on Eva’s motives for telling the truth about the cult’s harmful and criminal practices). “By her own account she frequently worked as a prostitute and made porn videos, blaming the cult for her actions.” - (They are referring to the fact that on a few occasions Eva – like most female members - was coerced into doing some form of ‘FFing’ and ‘escort work’ while a full time member of TFI in the early 1980’s, which at the time was a ‘doctrinally-taught’ and accepted practice of the cult as a means of bringing in money for the group’s ‘pimp-like’ leaders. At no time has Eva ever made, or appeared in, any form of ‘porn video’, nor has she – as far as she and her children know – ever even been filmed in any stage of undress, in or out of TF. No such ‘porn videos’ or ‘sex videos’ or ‘striptease videos’ of Eva exist, they are a complete fabrication and product of a malicious and perverted cult imagination. And, contrary to their claim, nor has Eva ever given any ‘account’ of said non-existant video footage or alleged ‘prostitution’ [outside the cult]. She is not, and has never been, a promiscuous individual since her defection from TFI.) As the writer/s below have made repeated slanderous personal attacks on Eva in an attempt at character assassination to try to discredit her for exposing their crimes, and have bombarded her email inbox with ‘hate mail’ and made personal threats towards her, they have been legally classed as ‘stalkers’ and are being investigated as such by the authorities. May justice be done. Sincerely, ESJ and family and friends. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (reply to this comment)

From Cadoc Saturday, February 04, 2006, 19:08 (Agree/Disagree?) ESJ wrote: "The case was most certainly not ‘thrown out’. As in many Family Court cases, there was a court settlement made whereby TFI had to agree to have themselves and their children closely monitored by department social workers for at least the next year or two, and they had to abide by some strict rules and guidelines laid down by the court. There was absolutely no so-called ‘exoneration’ or ‘failure to prove’ or ‘charges dropped’, as TFI claims in their PR literature and media releases about the cases." Thanks ESJ. Reading through the paragraph above has provided me with some much needed clarity. Due to my exposure to TFs propaganda I always believed that the court cases in Australia ended in vindication. Thinking about it now, the mandatory socialisation and regular visits from social workers fit. It was part of the settlement deal. (reply to this comment)

from Greater Victories December 30, 2005 - 23:31 Eva's sex lies and videos...critics of this hate site denied access A media release about this hate blog site promoting a disturbing murder suicide being planned has been posted to 100,000 media outlets around the globe. It highlights how critics of this site are censored in denial of the truth and free speech while hate filled religious bloggers run amuck with vexatious allegations of sexual abuse in order to green mail cults, soft targets, in return for silence! A simple web search revealed several western religious hatred blog sites that have popped up one featuring and promoting a video planning a recent murder suicide in the US. When it comes to religious intolerance first prize must go to the religious hate blog sites like "Moving On" and “Xfamily”. They boast numerous sites in countries around the world that the authorities to date seem powerless to stop. Hiding behind a special brand of intolerance it has the facade of exposing abuse in religion while promoting the shrill rhetoric of intolerance slamming just about everyone from the Catholic Church to Scientology and Hare Krishna. It appears the site hides behind the noble cause of assisting those wishing to make a seamless transition away from religious institutions while on the other hand it promotes videos of murder, sexual abuse and much more. One such video made prior to a murder suicide in July in the USA includes graphic detail of the event being planned. In Australia and New Zealand another outstanding example of hatred gone mad is avant guard high priestess of bloggers is a Australia, Ms. Eva St John who appeared on 60 Minutes recently with a story titled “Sinful acts”, alleges her 18-month old daughter was sexually molested by Children of God cult members and contracted gonorrheae. http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/60_Minutes_Australia_Sinful_Acts The story was later debunked by friends of Ms. St John who said she “had VD at the time and transmitted it to her daughter at birth”, something she denies as medically impossible yet is widely advertised fact on medical sites all over the web, and that the story was concocted to green mail the group in Australia.” She is reported to be in hiding from the Australian ABC TV programme "Media Watch" is seeking to interview Ms. St John to answer allegations that she lied to 60 Minutes. Ms. St John “left school at 16” is a malevolent disaffected former cult member seeking to launch civil action after being sidelined, missing out in an out of court settlement that saw cult members awarded compensation. In one of the largest raids in Australian history two State Governments launched simultaneous raids on cult homes in New South Wales and Victoria taking into custody over 190 children. However when the total resources of both State governments failed to prove one single case of abuse, the courts threw the case out as vexatiously motivated. Ms. St John was livid at not receiving compensation and claimed she would “sue the cult”. More to the point Ms. St John who lived off welfare for decades is seeking a nest egg retirement fund. By her own account she frequently worked as a prostitute and made porn videos, blaming the cult for her actions. Now that the welfare laws are tightening and she is faced with the prospect of getting a fulltime secular job she is seeking to “green mail” the cult in exchange for her silence! She alleges “FBI investigations” in an effort to secure public opinion for her cause. This is just one sad case that is evidence of the moral decay and misuse of the Internet. What is worse, the Moving ON site recently censored critics and removed articles exposing the allegations of Eva St John and denied access to anyone who would take a stand against religious hatred and promotion of murder suicide videos. So much for a brave new world of freedom of speech and worship on the Internet! Governments around the world have passed laws against sedition but what are they doing to follow up on this new brand of intolerance? Something should be done about it? (reply to this comment)

from Eva St John December 15, 2005 - 14:06 The good news is: This is what Zerby and Kelly and the Hartington’s and TFI itself has now been reduced to. – Using the mentally ill as their ‘spokespersons’ and ‘attack dogs’. This person has a long history of mental derangement, and has produced some pretty disturbed offspring. – A fitting representative for TFI and their ‘cause’, one who can match Berg’s and Zerby's capacity for paranoia, mental confusion, and irrational ranting and raving. Very tragic and very telling. (reply to this comment)

From angryaussie Wednesday, March 08, 2006, 20:06 (Agree/Disagree?) I believe you eva... as my mum lived in the same home as you and remembers who it happened... who are these wankers greater victories and black sheep posting on this site....??? (reply to this comment)

From Greater Victories Thursday, December 15, 2005, 17:57 (Agree/Disagree?) You have been exposed Eva. While your web master can lock out the Black Sheep for speaking out against you and this hate site, the real truth about your murky past is coming out there, videos, mediacl records and eye witness testimony. Read............. Eva had VD and lied on TV. Apparently Media Watch are looking to catch up with you Eva to ask you questions about the 60 Minutes program. Shall we hold our breath for "45 seconds" for you to answer??? What I am waiting to see is the litigation to start for the smear by you. Accusing people of child molestation that were never near your kids! Your pack of lies will cost you dearly! The knock on your door is not far away I reckon! (reply to this comment)

From Eva St John Thursday, December 15, 2005, 18:45 (Agree/Disagree?) "Apparently Media Watch are looking to catch up with you Eva to ask you questions about the 60 Minutes program." Is that so? I hope you realize I am a journalist myself and Media Watch knows how to contact me any time. I would be only to happy if they, like many other media investigators, took an interest in this story, and would be only too happy to answer any questions they have for me. "I am waiting to see is the litigation to start...." So am I. I can't wait to get TFI in a court of law so I can produce all the witnesses and evidence against them. "The knock on your door is not far away I reckon!" You've got that right, bud. Better purge your DO library and get your flee bags ready, 'cause the 'anti-christs' are after you big time! (reply to this comment)

From Nancy Thursday, December 15, 2005, 17:06 (Agree/Disagree?) So, if this guy is a quasi-60ish-member does his ilk really belong here? I know his article received enough votes to place it in the trailer park. Why the wait? Move it on in. (reply to this comment)

from Bones December 15, 2005 - 09:08 I would like to apologize for hoping you die. I don’t really hope you die. ( It's just that I waited a long time to use that, think "slow clap" from not another teen movie) I, for one, don't hate you. I truly feel sorry for you. Your weak state of mind is an unfortunate one. I hope, for your sake, you can one day break free of the enslavement you are subjecting yourself to. Look Sheep, we know you are in TF. You don't own a business. You are not intelligent enough for that. You are not intimidating anyone because you reek of cowardice. Making invitations for people to come wrestle and get all sweaty and stinky with you, please. Real men don't "threaten", they "do". None of us would board a plane to get laid, much less go play butt darts with you. (Maybe for Catherine Zeta-Jones, So hot) I know, you saw a Steven Segal movie and got excited. Come to my dojo? Christ, use your imagination. I know your game. You have no life, so this is amusing to you. When you people read something that threatens you it sends shock waves through your entire community because your roots are weak and none of you are grounded in reality. I am guilty of feeding the troll, and for that I am sorry. I will no longer respond to you because there is nothing to prove. It's like swimming an ocean of piss to see what's in Urine Ville. One last thing, nobody takes you seriously when they know you take steaming loads of Jesus up your spiritual ass ;{P (reply to this comment)

from placebo December 15, 2005 - 07:34 "Just call me windbag the sailor man...................hahahahahaha! " actually I already have a choice term for people such as yourself.....twat! As far as looking forward to partying with me: I only party with cool people(ok and Jedran) and you sheepyboy are in the words of Cartman: "sooo not cool" (reply to this comment)

from some one abused in the cult December 15, 2005 - 06:23 Please stop this disrespectful use of our space. Behind our screan names we are real people, children of TF who were in our childhoods used and abused and thrown away, most were given nothing to help or support us emotionaly or financially upon leaving that hell hole of lies, exclusion, dishonesty and fantasy. Most of the women I knew and most girls , (including myself) I ever knew in TF make a video for Berg. That is not news to us. (reply to this comment)

from steam December 15, 2005 - 05:58 Just a short point to add to others comments. This guy repeatedly brings up that he has a "paper" to prove he is not insane. The only way I can see him being given one is if he were given a phsycological evaluation because he was acting crazy, or he was commited and in order to eventually release him, they had to say he was ok now. (reply to this comment)

from Dont feed it December 15, 2005 - 03:06 this article can be likened to a trickle of liquidy shit running down the leg of recently deceased corpse..i wouldn't even reply only to say this: Torture is immoral and anti-american, whats more it puts US troops fighting on the ground in danger! Support the McCain Anti-Torture Amendment! ------------------------------------------------------------ Colin Powell, John McCain and 89 additional Senators support the McCain Anti-Torture Amendment, which bans torture, cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment. Sadly, Vice President Cheney is lobbying furiously behind the scenes to stop the ban. Torturing prisoners is inconsistent with American values - and it puts our troops at risk, undermines our relationships with our allies, and simply doesn't work. Tell Your Senators and Representative to support the Anti-Torture Amendment - no exceptions http://www. tortureisnotus .org/ Take ACTION! (reply to this comment)

From Fish Thursday, December 15, 2005, 09:12 (Agree/Disagree?) I cringe when people attach snippets of political propaganda to the ends of unrelated comments. Kindly desist from such douchey behaviour. (reply to this comment)

from Fish December 15, 2005 - 02:29 Too long, didnt bother. (reply to this comment)

from Black Sheep December 15, 2005 - 01:30 Well some of you guys are truly tragic. Like me I suppose. All you can do is hang out in a religious hate site that promtes murder and violenc and threatens anyone who disagrees that some far away and almost forgotten cult (so called ) is responsible for all the woes. There is a name for that. Persecution complex. Victim mentality. Eva is your high prophetess of lies. According to her she never had VD, (but now here she admits) ........... and as far as I can tell passed it on to her daughter. She should fess up about the rest of her murky psat. Things about the abuse she caused! Lotsa people out there with horro stories about Eva. However she would have the world believe she was innocent. Innocent of making videos as well. Not doubt a video will surface and she will be further exposed (ha!). Once again......beware the lies of Eva and the hatred that is spread on this site by her and her disciples. If you swim in this sort of cess pool you will not be able to wash it off easily. Like poor sneez, can't speak without profanity.. Like stink on a monkey, can't get rid of it! To you poor individuals who believe you were mistreated or abused... go to the Police! Put up or shut up. (reply to this comment)

From Benz Thursday, December 15, 2005, 02:50 (Agree/Disagree?) Ok Slack Bleep, shag sheep, dag the sheep shagging fag, I think I get what you're saying - Eva had VD (possibly got it from you) and being the medical scientist that you are you have determined this to be the cause of Eva's daughter contracting it. Mate, I don't know Eva from a bar of soap but you'd want to be right about that sort of accusation wouldn't you? - well probably anyone BUT you it seems! And while you're acting tough please tell me which 'bikie' gang did TF save you from? - you act like you're still in one by the way you carry on! - So which bikie gang was it here in Oz? - The Bandito's, Commanchero's, Rebels, Crypts, Gypsy Jokers, Coffin Cheaters, God's Garbage, Hells Angels, The Head Hunters, - I know maybe it was CHARLIE'S ANGELS. You see I know a few bikies, and whilst I don't stand for all the activities of some of their members if I can say one thing for them its that for the most part bikies won't tolerate paedophiles, particularly against one of their own kids - which is more than I can say for my own parents, or you! GIVE ME BIKIES OVER TF ANY DAY!!! (reply to this comment)

from Tyra Banks December 14, 2005 - 23:59 Black Sheep, I am starting a new show called "The World's Next Top Anti-Model." I was going to have my people call your people to ask you to audition for the first episode. Then I realized you were too good to have to audition, so we'd just invite you to compete. But then I was like "duh! This dude is fierce! We will just make him the winner of our show, because it would be no fair to pit poor young'uns with aspirations against this seasoned anti-endorser." Hope your clients appreciate the value you subtract and treat you right considering your achievements for their products: http://cti.ic.virginia.edu/~jkh8x/soc257/nrms/Family.html www.cesnur.org/testi/TheFamily/se_thefamily.htm www.psywww.com/psyrelig/family.htm www.hrwf.net/English/the_family99.html (reply to this comment)

From Black Sheep Thursday, December 15, 2005, 01:12 (Agree/Disagree?) Wow.... I have another fan! Yippeeeeeeee! (reply to this comment)

from Eva St John December 14, 2005 - 23:35 You’re absolutely tragic, mate. On your ‘profile’ you say you’re 29. If that’s the case you would’ve been 3 years old when my daughter contracted VD in 1979, and when I was supposedly being ‘video-taped’ dancing, so a lot you would’ve known about it back then! However, I’m convinced I know who you are now, because your lunatic drivel gives you away. The reality is that you are not an ex SG, in fact you’re not even an ex FG. You’re a very sad case, so sad not even TF would allow you to be a full time member most of the time. You’ve only ever been a ‘hanger on’ because you’re so mentally unbalanced and deranged. You’re at least as old as me, if not a little older (in your 50’s) and a big (about 6 foot-something) male, and yet you claim that somehow I managed to ‘abuse’ you – an ex biker and druggie and supposed ‘martial arts’ expert. The only ‘offense’ you could have ever taken in regards to me is that you were so unbalanced that I chose to not to have anything further to do with you when I was making my break away from TF. If that’s ‘abuse’ to you, then you really are a big sook, aren’t you? It’s Christmas and I’m busy organizing a big gathering of all my friends and family and I’m not going to waste any more time on you. But for the sake of those who have the misfortune to stumble on this idiotic drivel and don’t know me, I’m going to clarify a few points: a) I was on the ‘mission field’ in Tahiti before having this incident happen with my 18 month old daughter, about 2-3 months after arriving back in Australia. (We stayed with my then partner’s parents temporarily while buying a caravan, and then went camping with other Family members). Because I disliked having to be an ‘obedient love slave’ in Family Homes, I would volunteer for road teams and missionary work as much as possible. Thus, at no time when my children were young did I look after anyone else’s children, and at no time did I ever abuse – either sexually or otherwise – a child, (apart from being too harsh and controlling discipline-wise with my own children in obedience to Family child-raising doctrines). This nutter is trying to make out he’s an SG who was abused by me - (“…What about the abuse from Eva…?...I was one of Eva’s victims…”) - yet he never says what I was supposed to have done to him, and then says he was into vice, drugs, crime and bikie gangs before one little prayer by TF ‘miraculously delivered him’. (Looks like it ‘didn’t take’, mate. They failed miserably). b) I only ever have two recollections of doing semi-nude dancing at fellowships in TF (like most FG sisters did). To my knowledge, neither dance was ever video-taped, as many such dances weren’t, they were just ‘on the day’ activities as part of the fellowship. In fact, I was never even videoed ‘talking to Dad’, (like most members did at one time or another). I would challenge anyone to come up with any Family footage with me on it. As far as I know, it doesn’t exist because I was never filmed. c) I most definitely did not have VD when I gave birth to my daughter, as at the Home I was in, we all had a test not long before I gave birth. It was not until a year and a half later that my daughter was diagnosed. If I’d had an STD in between all that time, there was so much sharing – and regular ‘scares’ and doctors checks – going on, I would’ve known about it. The incident involving my daughter occurred when we had just come from being on a road trip where we’d been camping with a group of three adult full-time FG’s and their children. I thought she must’ve had thrush, but when the doctor informed me they’d found she had gonorrhea, I was utterly shattered and burst into tears. My partner and I then had tests and found out we were positive. We then contacted the road team crowd we’d just been with, and they got tested and were all positive for gonorrhea, too. We then contacted the last FG’s in Sydney we’d been sharing with before our road trip to see if they had it, and they didn’t. But the people who the adults on road team had been sharing with before their camping trip, did have it. So this made it obvious we’d only just recently caught it from the people we’d just been camping with – and that possibly one of the adult males (either my then partner or the two on the road team) may have had something to do with passing it on to my daughter. The doctors reported this incident, and both my partner and I were separately interviewed by the hospital’s child welfare officers about it. I was told by my partner to try to take the blame myself, in order to divert any ‘persecution’ away from TF. As I stated before, I have no idea how my daughter contracted gonorrhea. All I can do is site the fact that we were at the time living in a highly charged sexual environment that not only allowed, but taught the sexual molestation of children. If we had not been in that environment, she would not have caught it. d) ‘Blacksheep’: “She sucks people in (like she did me) uses em up and casts them aside. …. for all she put me through!” (I believe this nutter is referring to the fact that he was infatuated with me and was trying to hang around me way back in the 80’s after I left the Family, and it was not reciprocated. I was not interested in having anything to do with him. I haven’t laid eyes on him since 1988). “I saw Eva when she had VD. The same VD that her daughter ended up with. I stand by my experience of over 30 years.” – (Perhaps you were the one who gave it to her way back in 1979!) “Tell Eva to go to the Police…” – (I have). “Let em decide if the doctors records are factual.” – (They have). “I would love to get her into court.” - (Well, you may well get your wish, my friend. You’re being investigated). e) ‘Blacksheep’: “Just ask the people who are out to get her. She is always pissin’ people off. It is the same wherever she goes. Just wait till she turns on you!” (The only people I have ‘pissed off’ who are supposedly ‘out to get me’ are this nutter and TF leadership for exposing their abuses, lies and denials. I have ‘turned on’ no one, my large circle of long-time friends and supporters can verify that). Blacksheep, clearly you haven’t been taking your medication lately. I suggest you seek help immediately before you get yourself into any deeper trouble, ‘cause ‘big brother is watching’! As you readily state yourself, you are truly pathetic. - Eva (reply to this comment)

From Nancy Thursday, December 15, 2005, 07:24 (Agree/Disagree?) I've seen time and again how when someone comes forward with their story, to the media or any outlet really, they are attacked. They did it to Daniel Roselle. The sad thing is that the best they had to say about Daniel was basically denial and some folks quoting lame poetry about him. Well, you should smile that they even had less for you. They spit out this quadroped and his lunatic ravings. Let him howl at the moon while you carry on having a nice Christmas. BTW, I once had a planters wart in Mexico in the cult when I was a teenager. I cut it out with scissors. My son developed little dots on his hands which I thought could be a form of warts. I took him to his doctor. I wonder if anyone will ever write a story about it? Hmmm? (reply to this comment)

From Black Sheep Thursday, December 15, 2005, 01:11 (Agree/Disagree?) Yippeee......the truth at last Eva did dance nude. I wonder how long it will take for a copy to be posted to me so I can post in on the web. Did you see the web site that states that a mother with VD (you) can transfer it to her daughter at birth? Something you blindly deny! You’re absolutely tragic, mate. Wow! Got me there! Can’t argue with that, but at least I can admit it! Unlike your lies and rewriting history. When’s the court case Eva? Hahahahahahahahaha! On your ‘profile’ you say you’re 29. Did I say that? Must mave meant 29 cm or was inches….meters! If that’s the case you would’ve been 3 years old when my daughter contracted VD in 1979, and when I was supposedly being ‘video-taped’ dancing, so a lot you would’ve known about it back then! Always been accused of be immature! However, I’m convinced I know who you are now, because your lunatic drivel gives you away. OOOOOOOHHHHHHHH so what ya going to do about? Set the boogie man on me? The reality is that you are not an ex SG, in fact you’re not even an ex FG. You’re a very sad case, so sad not even TF would allow you to be a full time member most of the time. Such is life! Unlike you Eva! Hahahahahaha! You’ve only ever been a ‘hanger on’ because you’re so mentally unbalanced and deranged. I have the certificate to prove I’m not crazy ….do you? You’re at least as old as me, if not a little older (in your 50’s) and a big (about 6 foot-something) male, Gong!…..wrong try again! and yet you claim that somehow I managed to ‘abuse’ you – an ex biker and druggie and supposed ‘martial arts’ expert. Come around if you think you know who I am etc and find out the truth. As I said to your cronies, we can vide the whole thing. Hey! Ya get to keep ya clothes on this time. Can we talk about old times and how you used to shoot nude movies? The only ‘offense’ you could have ever taken in regards to me is that you were so unbalanced that I chose to not to have anything further to do with you when I was making my break away from TF. If that’s ‘abuse’ to you, then you really are a big sook, aren’t you? Sniff….but really you are not able to dismiss that you had VD and that you made videos. Something you deny outright in your comments. That is until someone flames you and you get all upset that you cover of lies is blown sky high! It’s Christmas and I’m busy organizing a big gathering of all my friends and family and I’m not going to waste any more time on you. But for the sake of those who have the misfortune to stumble on this idiotic drivel and don’t know me, I’m going to clarify a few points: Does your saviour have horns? Come on tell the truth? a) I was on the ‘mission field’ in Tahiti before having this incident happen with my 18 month old daughter, about 2-3 months after arriving back in Australia. (We stayed with my then partner’s parents temporarily while buying a caravan, and then went camping with other Family members). I was told that your caravan flipped crashed and was destroyed. Come on now tell the truth! Because I disliked having to be an ‘obedient love slave’ in Family Homes, I would volunteer for road teams and missionary work as much as possible. Golly…..you sure go on Eva. You were the most sold out person anyone could come across. But that only changed when you did not get any money. You now sing a different tune for anyone who will listen to your lies. Thus, at no time when my children were young did I look after anyone else’s children, and at no time did I ever abuse – either sexually or otherwise – a child, (apart from being too harsh and controlling discipline-wise with my own children in obedience to Family child-raising doctrines). You are spot on there Eva you were a good mother. However you have twisted your account to implicate innocent people and to convince those who were not ther ethat you had no hand in the VD being transferred to your daughter. You deny that it is possible yet there are many account in medical annuals and many a web site will confirm it. So who ya trying to fool Eva? A BIG beat up to get attention You always loved to be the center of attention!!!!!!!!! This nutter is trying to make out he’s an SG who was abused by me - (“…What about the abuse from Eva…?...I was one of Eva’s victims…”) You were subtle but were an abuser…..stilla re I’d say How about the abuse you have orchestrated over in your country? - yet he never says what I was supposed to have done to him, and then says he was into vice, drugs, crime and bikie gangs before one little prayer by TF ‘miraculously delivered him’. (Looks like it ‘didn’t take’, mate. They failed miserably). It’s true Eva……I was a miserable case all strung out. Prayer from the Family of Love cured it! I can’t deny it! b) I only ever have two recollections of doing semi-nude dancing at fellowships in TF (like most FG sisters did). SO IT IS TRUE! Finally the truth comes out ……….you lied…………..you said you never made any videos! To my knowledge, neither dance was ever video-taped, as many such dances weren’t, they were just ‘on the day’ activities as part of the fellowship. Nah, you took forever planning the one episode and it surely was no impromptu episode! In fact, I was never even videoed ‘talking to Dad’, (like most members did at one time or another). I would challenge anyone to come up with any Family footage with me on it. As far as I know, it doesn’t exist because I was never filmed. I have been asking around and guess what? Can I post it on the web for everyone to see what a liar you are? c) I most definitely did not have VD when I gave birth to my daughter, as at the Home I was in, we all had a test not long before I gave birth. It was not until a year and a half later that my daughter was diagnosed. If I’d had an STD in between all that time, there was so much sharing – and regular ‘scares’ and doctors checks – going on, I would’ve known about it. That is an interesting. I have already debunked everything you have said about it. My version is that you had it at birth and gave it to your daughter. The incident involving my daughter occurred when we had just come from being on a road trip where we’d been camping with a group of three adult full-time FG’s and their children. I thought she must’ve had thrush, but when the doctor informed me they’d found she had gonorrhea, I was utterly shattered and burst into tears. My partner and I then had tests and found out we were positive. You and your mate WERE POSITIVE. So that IS how your daughter got VD. From your filth. Somehow seems right to me! We then contacted the road team crowd we’d just been with, and they got tested and were all positive for gonorrhea, too. You filthy animal! We then contacted the last FG’s in Sydney we’d been sharing with before our road trip to see if they had it, and they didn’t. But the people who the adults on road team had been sharing with before their camping trip, did have it. So this made it obvious we’d only just recently caught it from the people we’d just been camping with – and that possibly one of the adult males (either my then partner or the two on the road team) may have had something to do with passing it on to my daughter. So now you are blaming her father. How convenient! The doctors reported this incident, and both my partner and I were separately interviewed by the hospital’s child welfare officers about it. I was told by my partner to try to take the blame myself, in order to divert any ‘persecution’ away from TF. As I stated before, I have no idea how my daughter contracted gonorrhea. But we know don’t we readers???? All I can do is site the fact that we were at the time living in a highly charged sexual environment that not only allowed, but taught the sexual molestation of children. No one molested children. If they did they would be in jail Eva. You get off on this lie don’t you. Say it enough and people might believe you! If we had not been in that environment, she would not have caught it. If you had not had it she would not have caught it. Did you get it from the white trash you slept with from down the Cross? d) ‘Blacksheep’: “She sucks people in (like she did me) uses em up and casts them aside. …. for all she put me through!” (I believe this nutter is referring to the fact that he was infatuated with me and was trying to hang around me way back in the 80’s after I left the Family, and it was not reciprocated. I was not interested in having anything to do with him. I haven’t laid eyes on him since 1988). Gong…..Wrong again Eva! Try again! “I saw Eva when she had VD. The same VD that her daughter ended up with. I stand by my experience of over 30 years.” – (Perhaps you were the one who gave it to her way back in 1979!) That comment will land you in a lot of hot water! Heard of defamation Eva? You have just landed yourself in court! I have never had VD in my life (unlike you) and to say such is yet another lie. You are almost beyond belief Eva. When things get tough make up a story! “Tell Eva to go to the Police…” – (I have). “Let em decide if the doctors records are factual.” – (They have). “I would love to get her into court.” - (Well, you may well get your wish, my friend. You’re being investigated). OOOOOOOOHHHHH I am so very scared! I will hold my breath shall I? The Police have never been able to find one iota (like that word, where’d I first hear it) of evidenc or else there would be oodles of people in jail. How many people are in jail Eva? Not just the ones you reckon should be there? Real numbers? e) ‘Blacksheep’: “Just ask the people who are out to get her. She is always pissin’ people off. It is the same wherever she goes. Just wait till she turns on you!” (The only people I have ‘pissed off’ who are supposedly ‘out to get me’ are this nutter and TF leadership for exposing their abuses, lies and denials. I have ‘turned on’ no one, my large circle of long-time friends and supporters can verify that). When ya want people to believe you be like Hitler, tell a BIG lie. Just guessing here Eva, but I don’t think they give you the slightest thought. But you….you poke your finger in the eye of God! You are truly cursed of all women! Blacksheep, clearly you haven’t been taking your medication lately. Nah Eva, I have the certificate to prove I am sane……..have you? I suggest you seek help immediately before you get yourself into any deeper trouble, ‘cause ‘big brother is watching’! As you readily state yourself, you are truly pathetic. Actually I prefer the earlier one antipathetic………… Well pretty much as I expected from you Eva. You know it is still time to say sorry for all the lies. Before the wrath of God falls on you. I would rather poke God in the eye than do or say the things you do. But you always were a wild child. Hey? One last thing. If ya not full of it why have you nto contacted the Media Watch people? They are waiting to hear from you. They have some question like to one about when Jesus comes back…………….hahahahahahahaha! Should we hold our breath Eva? Finally Eva, if you ever find out who I really am, come and visit, I have something for you! - Eva (reply to this comment)

From JohnnieWalker Thursday, December 15, 2005, 06:10 (Agree/Disagree?) /sarcasm/ Oh my god!! Eva danced nude. I think my world is about to crumble all around me. Here I was, looking to her as my guiding light and only source of truth and now you've gone and exposed her for the liar she is. I am eternally greatful. /end sarcasm/ Seriously now, as I said before, what difference does it make in the fact that I was abused? Having never met Eva, her story has never had any bearing on my life. What the hell do I care if she danced nude? She was an adult woman. My issue with those videos is that they encouraged little girls to dance nude. That is not proper use of a child, hence abusive. So, dude, I guess now that she's "fessed up" you're pretty much done here, aren't you. That is, unless you are now planning on invalidating my own story. (reply to this comment)

from neez December 14, 2005 - 22:17 You're obviously obsessed with Eva's life to the point of needing professional help. And I guess you're too fucked in the head to realise that the new anti-terrorism laws regarding "sedition" are being implemented because of salivating fanaticas(much like yourself). But if you still believe that in a couple years you will be fighting an apocalyptic battle in the sky with newly acquired super-powers etc.. Then why did you leave the cult? And be sure to send this rant to 60minutes, Im sure they could do with the laugh. (reply to this comment)

From Black Sheep Thursday, December 15, 2005, 01:14 (Agree/Disagree?) Hey sneez.............is that your best shot? Not much of a foe are you! Did ya check out the tourettes syndrome web page? They can help ya with it! Or join Eva and come round and see me....I'll put a sock in it for ya! (reply to this comment)

From Jerseygirl Thursday, December 15, 2005, 03:45 (Agree/Disagree?) STEP AWAY FROM THE NEEZ! (reply to this comment)

From no expert on law down under Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 23:37 (Agree/Disagree?) ...but I'll bet the new laws don't make "sedition" out of telling the truth about Zerby's cult! (reply to this comment)

From Black Sheep Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 23:24 (Agree/Disagree?) Hi sneez. Thag gyou vergy mugch! More dribble from you as usual. I'd pray for that condition you have there but you would not appreciate it I'm sure! Ha! It's pleasure to be aquainted. Can't wait to kick your ass off to the netherworld. Or better still come round here and let's do it sooner rather than later. Still suffering eh! See ya' didn't take my advice about the tourettes syndrome. And finally, yeah. I do have it in for Eva. She has run amuck in that country for far too long. Lied about her murky past and lied to the Media. Her and all her little friends need to be put out of commission. I wish I could bet you and her into court. or that the Media would come visit me. Someone posted me a copy of her not doing a strip tease. Absolutely delightful. Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa! Take that anyway ya want! (reply to this comment)

From who is the one inciting violence? Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 23:42 (Agree/Disagree?) The one who says "her and all her little friends need to be put out of commission." (reply to this comment)

from Todayisdone December 14, 2005 - 21:59 Can we get rid of this crap,it is very disrespectful to Eva st john and her children. (reply to this comment)

From Black Sheep Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 22:10 (Agree/Disagree?) So it's OK for Eva to tell lies and try to hide her murky past but as soon as some disagrees you censur them! Now thats fair! If ya don't like it take your problems to the Police. If they do nothing then shut ya face! Go cry somewhere else! (reply to this comment)

From moon beam Thursday, December 15, 2005, 09:30 (Agree/Disagree?) No, I think we are in the right place, you are not!-on so many levels. And please stop telling people to shut their face-you have absolutely no right, esp. after the drivel YOU posted. My delusion.com censor people, not Moving On. Unless they support child abuse and you seem to be stepping very close to the line. You are trying to state as fact something which is your own speculation. (Not unlike TF) You are of course allowed your opinion as I am mine, which is that you are incredibly disrespectful and rude. (reply to this comment)

From mugthebug Thursday, December 15, 2005, 08:50 (Agree/Disagree?) to all you ex sgas out there that went through the various raid on the family (i was in the lyon home in france) how many of us lied about the fact that we had never been abused? i know i sure did as a mater of fact ,i wrote affidavit on it,spoke to the media about it, yes we were examined by a doc that new nothing about what he was doing because he said that i at 18 was a virgin & i was most certainly not . the reason mr black sheep that more of the tfi have not been exposed as the abuser they are is that very reason we as scared children who did not want to be take from our parents (or didn't want to see hell and damnation) lied and covered up for the abuse.I want to take up your invitation to tea bring your video camera and my sisters and i can tell you some stuff e-mail me my e-mail address is on my profile unlike yours p.s. to all you ex sgas out there how many of you were in the raids and stayed in tfi? (reply to this comment)

From Thursday, December 15, 2005, 13:49 (Agree/Disagree?) In a raid I was 16 and I lied that I had not had been abused or had sex, which I had been repeatedly raped by an adult years before for a long time. I desperately wanted to be rescued but felt too scared to do anything myself. Like you said, hell and damnation, and didn't the Lord always do miracles and release them? And seeing how badly they had been treated me up until then, I couldn't imagine how severely I would be punished. (reply to this comment)

From Thursday, December 15, 2005, 13:49 (Agree/Disagree?) In a raid I was 16 and I lied that I had not had been abused or had sex, which I had been repeatedly raped by an adult years before for a long time. I desperately wanted to be rescued but felt too scared to do anything myself. Like you said, hell and damnation, and didn't the Lord always do miracles and release them? And seeing how badly they had been treated me up until then, I couldn't imagine how severely I would be punished. (reply to this comment)

From JohnnieWalker Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 22:46 (Agree/Disagree?) How can you be so heartless? Where is the empathy? Do this: Think of a person whom you love dearly. Imagine that person confiding in you that they were abused and hurt in the past. Imagine that they had gone to the authorities, but, because of the statute of limitations having run out (among a long list of other complications), they were unable to act. Now imagine yourself telling that person to "shut ya face"? Imagine telling them that, because the authorities did nothing, the person is making it all up and/or needs to get over it. Now read over what you wrote up there. Do you see what I mean when I say you're being heartless? I didn't think so. (reply to this comment)

From I hear you Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 22:05 (Agree/Disagree?) Lets vote this troll into the trailler park! (reply to this comment)

from Nancy December 14, 2005 - 20:52 This might take first prize for the longest rant of incoherant drivel I've yet seen to date here. No logical connection. Lots of rage and anger. No real point except some distorted idea that an ex-member having VD somehow validates all this nonsense. Uh, sorry to break it to you, four-legged furry one, if they didn't have VD at one time or another, then I would doubt their membership in the cult. The allegation that some random ex-member had VD does not a valid argument make. It just stands to show more likely than not she is telling the truth about once having been an ex-member and having believed all the cult propaganda to the point of having once participated in its sexual practices. That's about it. With regard to passing VD onto a fetus, well, that is a risk with GHB. That is why there is pre-natal testing. The tisk to the fetus, however, is not to transmit the infection, it is possible hearing or other loss. So, got anything else? Zerby has a planter's wart so you were right about the mothership coming for you? Jim LaMattery has a infectious rash, so therefore the pink elephants circling over your head are real? Watchman had a papercut and so does his son? OMG! Write an endless rant!!! (reply to this comment)

From Free Your Mind Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 22:14 (Agree/Disagree?) Well put Nancy, "four legged furry one", LOL! In any sane society the article posted above would be grounds for civil commitment to some sort of place with a padded cell. As far as cult members with VD, I can remember by the age of 11 being obsessed with disinfecting the toilet seats before I used them. Half the adults had Herpes or whatnot and they were always publicly asking for prayer for their latest breakout, and trying to claim a "victory" when it went away. But thanks to my trusty bottle of pinesol, I made it through my teen years without the "Cult Cooties". (reply to this comment)

From I remember too Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 23:46 (Agree/Disagree?) My in all ways wack cult-member "parents" having "trials" and not using the same dishes when fellowshipping with a home that had so much herpes that approx. 6 and 10-year old girls would have huge tumor-like things on their lips for ages (untreated, of course). (reply to this comment)

from peace loving axe murderer December 14, 2005 - 19:28 Sounds to me like you were picking a fight with that guy/girl who offered up your address "that is promoting violence". Also when you say have a roll in you backyard on the dirt are you inviting everyone for saturday afternoon tea or something else? (reply to this comment)

From Black Sheep Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 20:37 (Agree/Disagree?) Obviously it was afternoon tea! (reply to this comment)

from U really r a freak December 14, 2005 - 19:02 Cranky much? (reply to this comment)

From Black Sheep Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 20:42 (Agree/Disagree?) Hey freak, you usless coward! Cat got ya' tongue? I am picking a fight with you according to your friend above. Nothing to say when some faces you down. You sound like someone that is a tough guy around girls and little kids. Someone who you can scare! You are nothing but a bully which equals a coward. Just remember my video camera is waiting for you and your friends to visit. (reply to this comment)

From JohnnieWalker Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 21:44 (Agree/Disagree?) Oh, come on! Is that the best you can do? What's a guy got to do to get a civil debate going? I'm all but waving red flags at you to get you to take me up on my challenge and you go and reply to a weaker argument while ignoring my posts. Give a brother some attention, will ya? :) (reply to this comment)

From Nancy Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 20:56 (Agree/Disagree?) When drugs and a keyboard collide... (reply to this comment)

from Free Your Mind December 14, 2005 - 17:00 What an annoying waste of internet bandwidth. We are once again presented with the question: Are ex-cult members messed up because they joined a cult, or did they join the cult because they were messed up. I'm guessing with you, both are true. You see, it's not just that your viewpoints are incorrect, but there is obviously something seriously wrong with your personality. I don't know Eva, and I know close to nothing about your issues with her, but if she ever had to endure your presence than I feel deeply sorry for her. Secondly, whoever it is that wrote: "...So if you don't come here and attack us we will be nice to you." was incorrect. I do not want to talk to you, and I would appreciate it if you left this site and found some of your peers to talk with. This site is for SGA's, and about issues involving SGA's. Please leave. (reply to this comment)

From Black Sheep Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 17:17 (Agree/Disagree?) strongly disagree with you and your comments. It is easy to dismiss the person and not the facts. Play the ball not the person. Answer the facts if you can. Eva's video past. Eva' VD. I came here because one of your own has launched a series of attacks on a totally innocent young person. I think it is about time the fight was taken up to you guys in anyway shape or form you want. Just bring it on and you will find me in the front line. How about it? Are you ready to take some of what you and your site has been dishing out? Since I have come here I have been threatened by cowards who hide behind the internet, viewed objectionable material and read comments to the facts about Eva's murky past that would make any reasonable thinking persons stomach turn. This is a site that breeds religious hatred and intolerance while inciting murder. You and your friend have a lot to answer for!( (reply to this comment)

From JohnnieWalker Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 19:02 (Agree/Disagree?) You said, "This is a site that breeds religious hatred and intolerance while inciting murder." Would you be so kind as to cite references on which you base that statement? Criticism is great, but when you can back it up with some references, it adds a whole lot of weight to your point. You might also want to apply that concept whenever you write a piece like your article above. Without it, it all comes across as an uneducated opinion, which was certainly not your intent. If you're up for some debating (you being in the "front line" and all), jot me an email through my profile. I'd be glad to take on your best shot. Cheers, --Stephan (PS: That stuff on xFamily.org you said was "lies" were scans of Family documents, which The Family has acknowledged it once published. Does this mean you think Family pubs are lies? Do explain.) (reply to this comment)

From Not Anti-christ, just anti-idiot Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 17:35 (Agree/Disagree?) You are perhaps the real incitment to murder? One wonders how you've managed to survive this long without getting bumped off by a co-worker driven insane, a proofreader driven to murder/suicide, a girlfriend willing to face life in jail rather that stomach your rants for even one more day, or for that matter God himself, who begins to see hari-kiri as a option preferable to having you as his earthly representative. Christians like you make Atheists like me look fucking brilliant. (reply to this comment)

from Richard December 14, 2005 - 16:39 Dear Mr. Sheep, I just read your profile and it says that you are from antarctica. Maybe you are just bored so you post lengthy rants. We dont know you & you dont know us, but I thought, maybe you just wanted to talk to someone. So if you don't come here and attack us we will be nice to you. Perhaps we have something to learn from each other? I'll start: So how is the weather in antarctica this time of year? (reply to this comment)

From Disagree Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 19:35 (Agree/Disagree?) We know him alright, we spent our childhoods listening to freaks just like him blabber on about "God's will". It was bullshit then, and it is bullshit now. But at least now we can call people like this out when they talk shit. In the cult we'd have to call the fucker "Uncle" and say "yes sir!" when he asked if we wanted to hear his stupid revelations and dreams. FREEDOM!!! YEAH! (reply to this comment)

From Black Sheep Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 16:42 (Agree/Disagree?) Hi Richard. I was threatened by a person called the freak. I was just standing up to a coward and a bully. AND, answering Eva's lies. (reply to this comment)

from Black Sheep December 14, 2005 - 16:36 Geez is that the best you guys can do. Pussies all! See ya some Saturday afternoon! (reply to this comment)

From JohnnieWalker Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 19:28 (Agree/Disagree?) You said, "yeah typical hero hiding behind the internet, seen his kind before, gutless and cowardly through and through." Do you expect us to take you and your version of Eva's past seriously? It's not going to happen if you keep calling people "pussies" while hiding behind an internet alias of your own. But, I'm sure you knew that already. Right? (reply to this comment)

from susie December 14, 2005 - 16:29 Gee if you are not in the Family you certainly had a Family standard of education. Go and sign up for an English course and learn to communicate. (reply to this comment)

From Black Sheep Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 16:41 (Agree/Disagree?) Yeah I was lied to. To get ahead you need a big education. To get a good job. To buy a big house. With a tripple garage. To house three cars Marry a good woman Make a lot of money. To be happy ever after. All lies...........the simple Love of God is the answer to all mans problems. Sorry to say far to little of it here! (reply to this comment)

From JohnnieWalker Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 19:42 (Agree/Disagree?) Your version of the "Love of God" got me sexually abused at the age of 8. And you're saying that's the answer to all of man's problems? BTW, how many people do you know that believe that having a lot of money, big house, many cars, etc. will make them happy? That's a concept that died in the 80's. Those who still believe that need to re-examine their lives. The one thing that is not a lie is that you need a good (not big) education to get ahead. What's wrong with being ahead? The little advanced education I have gotten after leaving the Family has certainly worked wonders in helping me to get ahead. Dare I say a little education might help you express yourself a little better. In the meantime, I can still make out what you're trying to say if re-read it a couple times. (reply to this comment)

From Albatross Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 19:36 (Agree/Disagree?) HA ha ha ha ha. Funniest thing I have read all year! Or you could try buying one big house for yourself, three apartments with one car garage each, each for one of your women. Mix it up. Unlike TFI, there is no proscribed way. Why are you bitter? Still stuck at the burger grill? With an acidic disposition such as yours i'd advise you to get comfortable where you are. I doubt jesus wants you back. (reply to this comment)

From I hear you Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 19:40 (Agree/Disagree?) Nobody says you HAVE to live a boring middle class life. The version of system life that the Family imagines is very warped. Keep up the great work! (reply to this comment)

From right on dude and Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 23:35 (Agree/Disagree?) A "boring middle class life" is all I hope to have! The interesting stuff can totally happen...in the brain and enjoyment of the arts. All I aspire to is acheiving that stability from which I can feed my mind and be a person who makes those around me a little happier whenever I can. (reply to this comment)

from GoldenMic December 14, 2005 - 14:28 Black Sheep, your poor writing and organizational skills make it extremely difficult to decipher what you are trying to say, but I think you have made at least three basic points (besides the ranting and raving about how "Eva is a monster" but then you don't understand why others cannot get over similar feelings about the "monsters" of their pasts): 1) you are going to call "the feds" and get everyone here arrested for "inciting to violence", 2) You do not support the belief that people were and/or are routinely abused and oppressed at TF, and 3) people here are sick and stuck in their anger. 1) Regarding your calling of the feds or anyone else, I think you are deluded if you believe it is so simple to get somebody arrested. Heck, even your empty and meaningless challenge to people here, suggesting they call the police if they have a story of abuse to tell, suggests that you are apparently unaware that almost no criminal activity is aggressively prosecuted unless there is clear physical evidence and timely reporting, difficult for children whose only evidence is a broken heart and shattered self-esteem, and only after they have been gone from the cult long enough to truly identify the horror of their experience. 2) I can certainly understand how your own experience at TF, apparently abuse-free, makes it hard for you to credit the statements here. However, the intensity of the anger and the sheer volume of the statements should probably convince you to consider the possibility that your experiences are not fully accurate. In this, sadly, you are terribly wrong, and you seem to have no idea of the enormity of the obscenity found in your justifying and excusing such horrors. I pity you. 3) Frankly, I agree with you that many, many SGA's are indeed extremely damaged and bitter and sometimes even crazed by the oppressive memories of horrifying child abuse, neglect, and terrorizing. However, you seem to think this is not related to the very experiences that you are defining as so benign. I am a cult survivor, and a state-licensed counselor, and I personally concur that cult survivors are very traumatized, "stuck", and even often disturbed. If you understood that TF is, indeed, a classic destructive cult, you would then read the literature and understand that long-term disabling thoughts and "triggered" reactions are the expected and normal response. The miracle to be identified here is actually found in the high degree of honesty, self-help, and success that also exists here, a tribute to the toughness and will of the participants. It is truly a shame that you say so much and see so little. (reply to this comment)

From Black Sheep Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 16:21 (Agree/Disagree?) At least you kept a civil tongue in your head! Cool. But the Cops are the ones to put it to rest. Whether you like it or agree we are under the rule of law. Even those on this web site who promote violence and incite murder! (reply to this comment)

From JohnnieWalker Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 19:52 (Agree/Disagree?) You said, "Even those on this web site who promote violence and incite murder." Who's inciting murder? Got names? It's beginning to sound like you're basing your opinions of us on what you've heard someone else say. Why would you do that? (reply to this comment)

From 12thonever Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 20:01 (Agree/Disagree?) Because all he has heard is second hand news.This is just another TF smoke dose to put any off the scent of his TF friends.I wonder if you really are an engineer and in what state north or south. (reply to this comment)

from tuneman7 December 14, 2005 - 11:23 Two words: Seek Help (reply to this comment)

From Black Sheep Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 16:22 (Agree/Disagree?) Irts refreshing to know so many people are offering me advice........tks (reply to this comment)

from Bones December 14, 2005 - 10:54 Dear retarded guy who wrote this crap, I hope ya flip some guy the bird He cuts you off and you're forced to swerve In front of the Beatles' tour bus A Bookmobile and a Mack truck Hauling hazardous biological waste The light turns red you have no brakes And "Hard Copy" gets it all on tape So you can see the look on your face I hope your Pinto begins to spin Takes out a disabled Vietnam veteran Mows down a Nobel Peace Prize winner And maybe some orphans having Christmas dinner Perhaps even the British Royal Family And the Rabbi that's clutching the bottle-fed puppy And we can't forget the newlyweds And those Jerry's Kids are as good as dead I hope your cellmate thinks he's God But C.N.N. refer to him as Bowling Ball Bag Bob Serving time again for abuse of a corpse Only this time the victim's a Clydesdale horse While he masturbates to photos of livestock He does the "Silence Of The Lambs" dance to Christian Rock Eats feces and quotes from "Deliverance" And fights with his imaginary playmate Vince I hope he grins like Jack Nicholson And forces you to play a game called Balls On Chin And whatever happens next is all a blur But you remember fist can be a verb And when you finally regain consciousness You're bound and gagged in a wedding dress And the prison guard looks the other way 'Cause he's the guy ya flipped the bird the other day I hope this helps to emphasize I hope this helps to clarify I hope you die I hope you die Love The Bloodhound Gang & I. (reply to this comment)

From Black Sheep Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 16:23 (Agree/Disagree?) What a poet, I didn't know it! (reply to this comment)

From Otter Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 11:14 (Agree/Disagree?) 100% backing to your comment (reply to this comment)

From Black Sheep Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 16:24 (Agree/Disagree?) Do you agree with me? (reply to this comment)

from Nick December 14, 2005 - 10:25 I am lost.... Is this person pro Cult or what??? What was this post about? (reply to this comment)

From Black Sheep Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 16:31 (Agree/Disagree?) It is about Eva's lies. I.E. it is impossible according to Eva for a baby to get gonorrhea from it's mother. My ascertain is that Eva passed it to her baby girl. She had it around that time. See the web site that states that it IS more than likely this was the case. http://www.cdc.gov/std/Gonorrhea/STDFact-gonorrhea.htm#pregnant Eva said she never made a nude (strip tease movie) NOT so. I was present at the time (outside the hall) where she shot a movie. She was heavily involved in the production spending ages on the preparation. So not believe her! She is re writing her-story (history) (reply to this comment)

From JohnnieWalker Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 19:22 (Agree/Disagree?) So that's settled then. Now we know what you were trying to say in your article. That said, let's imagine that your right; that Eva danced nude and gave her own daughter VD. What difference does that make in the fact that abuse did take place in the Family? How does that change the fact that I and many of my peers were sexually and physically abused as children? How does it invalitdate the the stories of many others who are decrying their own abusers. It would seem that you've lost focus of what the issues at hand really are. If that is the case (and, as far as I know, it probably isn't), let me reitterate some of them for you: 1) Many young people who left the Family feel they were hurt during their time in the Family. 2) The people who hurt them have done little more than tell them, "Get over it" and accused them of being influenced by demons. 3) The people who have hurt others, regardless of their rank, have so far not been held accountable nor has any offender been turned over to the authorities for investigation. 4) If Maria, Peter, WS and The Family want to keep the past from hauting them, they must act upon the advice of many of their academic friends and acknowledge the extent of the harm they were invloved in causing. So far, they have been unwilling to do this. Which of these issues are unclear to you? I'd be glad to expound on them. (reply to this comment)

from vixen December 14, 2005 - 08:46 Oh my dear lord, what could one possibly say in answer to this drivel??? Whoever you are, you had better stop trying to defend TF/smear Eva/whatever it is you're trying to do, as you are doing your pitiful 'cause' a great, *great* injustice with every sentence you attempt to string together! I almost pity you, but, well, I can't bring myself to bother enough with you to do so, to be perfectly frank. Bye now! (reply to this comment)

From Black Sheep Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 16:32 (Agree/Disagree?) Thanks, an insult from you is compliment indeed! (reply to this comment)

from Lance December 14, 2005 - 01:35 Okay, this was either written by a 10 year old mentally challenged person, or an over the hill hippy. Actually I am so inspired by this compilation that I retract every statement I've ever made about FGA's being complete lunatics(Insert sardonic laughter here). (reply to this comment)

From Black Sheep Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 16:35 (Agree/Disagree?) Sardonic laughter eh? Get it right, catatonic over the hill hippy. (insert my finger in your eye here) (reply to this comment)

From Lance Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 18:21 (Agree/Disagree?) Buy a dictionary asshole. (reply to this comment)