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Getting On : The Trailer Park
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About The Trailer Park:
This section is for comments that get a little carried
away. When comments become flames, they are transferred
to this area. If you wish to continue the threads posted
here, feel free, but the content will stay in the Trailer
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Sunny James | from Zola - January 24, 2003
accessed 4310 times Why?? I am quite new to this site and have been reading through the articles and I have one question to ask all you "Sunny Worshipers" out there.
Exactly why you do worship the virtual ground she walks on?!!
So fucking what if she WAS a "Family Celebrity" Out here she ain't nothing at all!! |
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from charity
January 31, 2003 - 23:24
hey im pretty popular!! whose gonna fan my ass??
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| | | | | | | from EP
January 29, 2003 - 23:53
Oh this is so fun... a major explosion.. there are so many on this site.....lol.
Maybe we should have a "Hate and Slander" section for people who feel the need to share?
I've personally never been a a "Sunny Fan" and sure while "in" TF I would poke fun at songs she sang etc.. but that was then and this is now and why should we spend our time dissing SGA's for singing bad songs in bad ways-unless of course it's all done in good fun :)......
As far as fans (which I am aware was the original topic of this post)... well that's just a matter of personal taste... am I right?
And thats that w/ my two cents....
ciao
(reply to this comment) | from Anthony
January 29, 2003 - 22:03
Fans, fans. How about we get a head count of all Anthony fans? That would make me feel real warm and fuzzy inside.
Merci Beaucoup.
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January 28, 2003 - 11:20
I'm surprised. An article as senseless as this should probably have been inserted somewhere in the middle of the thread that followed the post about cheap education in California.
I guess Sunny James makes an easy target for half-wits. I'm not sure why anyone would think she has a fan club here on this site, she mostly just gets alot of shit.
I'm not "defending" her, actually I don't even know her and I have no idea what her music is like. Hopefully it's better than what the family produced.
"Another fine post by ian"
(reply to this comment) | | | | from Bootylicious
January 28, 2003 - 10:57
So f****ing what if there are Sunny fans out there! I thin most people on this site are old enough, mature enough to realize that everyone is different.
If you don't like other people admiring certain people, then just don't read their articles and comments. Compared to hardcore Britney or N-Snyc fans, those S.James fans are nothing. Personally I can't stand Michael Jackson, but if someone is a fan, then that is their business. Why should I waste my time dissing a fan of a person I don't like??? Geez, grow up, peoples!
(reply to this comment) | from TimR
January 28, 2003 - 01:02
This may be off the point, but I think ALL pop celebrity is basicaly stupid. The question you asked: "Exactly why you do worship the virtual ground she walks on?!!" Good question, but this could also be asked about Britney Spears, J-lo or N'sync.
I'm not disagreeing with you, I just think that the problem of celebrity worship is even worse in the real world than it was in the cult.
It's been a while, I'll admit, but when I knew Chiyoko (Sunny) she was a sweet, bubbly and enthusiastic young girl. BTW, I'd bet she hates watching the "TIV" now even more than you do. ;-)
Making it in the music industry is more a matter of luck than anything else, I wish her the best of it.
(reply to this comment) | from EyesWideShut
January 28, 2003 - 00:43
Hola, Zola.
No comment.
Thanks, John and Windy.
(reply to this comment) | from Bella
January 27, 2003 - 14:03
If you have a problem with Sunny, then why don't you write her and work it out instead of insulting her on a public website. -- Her email address is under her profile.
(reply to this comment) |  From Zola
Tuesday, January 28, 2003, 10:43
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My problem isn't with Sunny (never met the girl) but with the "Sunny Cult" as PJ so rightly put it. Hence the public note.
Isn't that the whole idea of this site -to post opinions etc.? Might as well have a list of names and email addresses!
Keep your selfrighteous opinions for someone who gives a shite!
P.S. If you have a problem with my article, why don't you email me instead of posting your comment on a public site? My email address is under my profile!! (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | from greg
January 27, 2003 - 12:02
i agree! sunny was another bitch in the cult! i dont know what shes like now, but that doesnt matter! she could be the most wonderous person alive-but she made a bad name when she had a chance, and thats the only part we'll remember...because when your out-it no longer matters
(reply to this comment) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From PompousJohn
Tuesday, January 28, 2003, 13:22
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Why don't you tell me what threads you want me to stay out of so you can flaunt your ignorance without fear of me barging in and pointing it out.
On the other hand, you could just think about what you want to say a bit more before you say it.
It's my nature to speak up for people I feel are being singled out for unfair treatment, got me in a lot of trouble in the group, and it gets me in trouble here too. (reply to this comment) |
| | From Random Commentator
Tuesday, January 28, 2003, 20:01
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Problem is you choose to defend those most like you, obnoxious, arrogant, wanna-be super-stars riding & overlording at the expense of others. People have every right to express their outrage at those who thrived and benefited at the expense of suppressing the "apples at the bottom of the barrel" for their own greedy endeavours.
It’s time the apples ate the “apples on the top” which had no right to be there in the first place.
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| | From EyesWideShut
Thursday, May 08, 2003, 10:09
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Yeah, yeah. Everyone who KNEW me would definately say that I obnoxiously suppressed the apples at the bottom of the barrel. That was me--the obnoxious suppressor. I was only a kid trying to get by--like all the apples at the bottom--but I had such unbridaled suppressive capabilities that I made applesause where ever I went. Thus the phrase, "Sunny, eats apples like you for breakfast". Or didn't you hear that one? (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From PompousJohn
Wednesday, January 29, 2003, 08:11
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Once again, do you know these people? I do, and they have both earned my respect by answering questions honestly and making their intentions clear.
You and your little group of whiners on the other hand have not said much that makes sense, have not made your grievances against the people you are attacking clear (other than it seems you object to the supposed popularity that Sunny and Jonathan once enjoyed, and seem to ignore completely the fact that they left it behind in order to get a grip on the reality that still seems to elude you)
And you are not even registered in the user directory. I have no way of knowing if you are even male or female, if you are REALLY an SGA, and if so what your history of abuse of power may be. Maybe you were one of the ass-kissers that was constantly ratting me out to the shepherds for everything you didn’t think was “the standard”, and rather than an explanation, I really owe you a matching set of black eyes? How am I to know? I’ve posted my name, email and pictures, hell even my phone #. Who the hell are you?
So let’s have it laid out clearly, what is your problem with these people? I know it’s easier to rag on other people than it is to come up with something worthwhile to say, we all know that. But proving that Sunny and Jonathan Waters were once over-rated and that Me, Joe, Cultinvator and whoever else are chauvinists is not going to change who you are, and in the end may only prove that the bottom of the barrel is where you belong.
When was I an “obnoxious, arrogant, wanna-be super-star riding & overlording at the expense of others”
When was I someone who “thrived and benefited at the expense of suppressing the "apples at the bottom of the barrel" for their own greedy endeavours”?
I don’t recall enjoying any such position; perhaps you could refresh my memory, after you let us all know who you are.
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| | From Random Commentator
Wednesday, January 29, 2003, 21:42
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PJ, I really don’t care what their intentions are? I’d have to imagine their intentions are much the same as everyone else’s; to be successful in what they choose to do, have & enjoy a lifestyle of choice. But I really don’t care & you know why? Because in “The Family” these same people chose to enjoy themselves & yes “thrived and benefited at the expense of suppressing the "apples at the bottom of the barrel””. The people like you who go on calling us “whiners” are those who did. We, “whiners” are all “losers”? – I don’t think so! – But you’re entitled to your opinion of us/ me & seeing as I wouldn’t give two shites what that is, I’m content to simply disagree with you. You see, there’s no debate whether you’re a manipulative, reprehensible asshole, you simply are, your tone & comments speak for you.
Possible reasons why someone would prefer to remain anonymous on this site:
1). They ain’t trying to be “popular” or famous.
2). They know what they have to say is worth more when you can’t try and discredit them for a “reputation” or “lack of reputation” they had in the group. – You see asshole’s like you complain that you shouldn’t be blamed for or equated for behaviour or activities in the group but yet you request my identity in order so you can do exactly that. I’ll tell you one thing, you’ll get no respect from those you give none to, and since I don’t care for your respect, that’s your problem not mine.
3). They prefer to live private lives, & don’t care for much acknowledgment except from their friends.
4). They may think asshole’s are more easily remembered than kind-hearted, conscientious people.
5). They may not care for their identity in “The Cult” as much as you do.
6). They don’t need to be recognised for something “they were” in “The Cult”.
Possible reasons why someone doesn’t care whether people like you or Sunny are, or become successful:
1). Because you’ve already enjoyed all the “success” your worth. – That, particularly considering your previous definition of “success”, need I say more?
2). Because you suck as individuals, what you say, your attitudes, your ideas, & you sound like shit.
3). Because we’ve seen people have to accommodate for your (as in you, Sunny & those like you) “success”, in fact we’ve seen people give up things to further your “success” thinking they were “working for God”. Yet till this day you show no sincere regret.
4). Because there are and were plenty of people far better than any of you who did not get your opportunities because they chose not to further themselves at the expense of others or play along with games of deceit and manipulation required for “success” in “The Family”.
No, I don’t think we, who dislike your attitudes and activities are losers. We may be rightly upset and outraged that you think you have gotten away with it. It occurs to me that the real reason why some of you for bravely “left it behind in order to get a grip on the reality that still seems to elude you” is more likely because your time of profiteering at the expense of others was running out. People were catching on to your little manipulative games & realised that it was you, not “God” who was reaping the benefits of their sacrifices. No “reality” does not elude me, you pompous, double chinned, smug, wanna-be alpha-male-he-whore, profiteering con-artist, “reality” stares both me & anyone with a conscious straight in the face after reading delusional comments from you. One probably would need to indulge in a few stiff drinks after having to face the unfortunate reality of your non-empathetic cave-man attitudes.
You appear unable to accept the reality of your real status now that you’re not in “The Cult”, that’s no-ones fault but your own. You pretentious fool, trying to convince us that you were always standing up for the underdog while others were “ratting on you” for not obeying the standard. That you were only bending the rules to help others at the expense of yourself.- What severe bullshit, you should hear yourself!! The only people who think what you did or were in “The Family” is worth ANYTHING is either people like you, who think it should, or people who are even now just as likely to be your gullible victims. You are as it turns out, are really just a piece of shit, in fact you’re worse than shit, no-one at all (with half a brain) gives half a fuck what you think is right or wrong, what you think is acceptable or unacceptable, once you realise that, you may be on your way towards being something else.
PJ, you belong in the zoo, your natural environment beckons you, go on with my sincerest blessing.
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| | From Joe H
Thursday, May 08, 2003, 18:27
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I'd like to say that, although I didn't know John real well when back in the cult, I can totally see him getting on people's nerves. Most talented musicians have a personality that's like certain exotic spices - you have to acquire a taste for it. And he is quite talented, women swoon whenever I play one of his songs (even though I don't take credit for writing it). Do what I do, play some of his music, get laid, and then you won't really give a crap whether or not he was an asshole or a suck-up 10 years ago. Geez, think of the big picture! Peace! (reply to this comment) |
| | From Jules
Sunday, May 11, 2003, 00:18
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Speaking of swooning over music, here's a story that still makes me blush from shame.
When I left the group, one of my first boyfriends was a military man, (cute as hell, though I can't remember his name). We took a romantic trip out to Montreal, where he was from, and over a wonderful Bordeaux in a candlelit French bistro, I told him about the Family, and explained why I knew nothing about anything.
The young man (let's call him Jean) pulls out a guitar and in front of everyone sings me Wonderful Tonight (Eric Clapton). I had never heard this song before, and actually had never heard of Eric Clapton. I ask him who wrote that, and he looks at me for a few minutes and then tells me he did, and it was for me.
I was floored, totally swooned and made sure I was extra wonderful that night.
Of course when I found out everyone else on the planet knew that song but me I was mortified. :) (reply to this comment) |
| | From MGP
Sunday, May 11, 2003, 07:45
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Ha you dumbass! I do that all the time. Or if I do write it I say its an old Clapton song. Theres this saying when you write software "Nothing is idiot-proof cause idiots are so ingenuis".
*****
You're everywhere and no where, baby,
thats where you're at,
Going down a bumpy hillside,
In your hippy hat.
Flying out across the country
And getting fat
Saying everything is groovy
When your tyres are flat
And its hi - ho silver lining
and away you go now baby,
I see your sun is shining
But I wont make a fuss
Though its obvious.
Flies are in your pea soup baby,
They're waving at me
Anything you want is yours now
Only nothing is for free.
Lies are gonna get you some day
Just wait and see.
So open up your beach umbrella
While you are watching TV
***** (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From sarafina
Saturday, May 10, 2003, 22:17
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HA HA HA ! Joe that was to funny. John you should be proud of yourself! You were a wonderful person back then and still are now, you wrote beautiful songs and lyrics and still do. I'm glad his music has helped you Joe in the getting laid department. (not that you ever needed any help). See John your still helping men all over the world with your lyrics and songs. You are really talented and women did swoon over your songs(yours too Joe). (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From PompousJohn
Thursday, January 30, 2003, 09:10
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For someone who doesn’t care, you certainly talk a lot. I’m glad to see you’ve attempted to adopt my writing style, but you still need to work on making sure the content is worth the time to read. For instance, you’re still a whiner, and you’re still whining.
Actually there is only one believable reason to remain anonymous, and it is pure cowardice.
So you are a pure coward, and probably always have been.
If you think I was "on top" and "profiting from other's hard work" in the group then you obviously know nothing about me, or my past. I played a heavy role is supporting most of the homes I was in, and one of the reasons I finally left was that I was tired of carrying so much dead weight.
And I was never popular, my songs were banned, I was occasionally forbidden to play music, my belongings were regularly purged with many items being burned (including my own childhood pictures) to cleanse them of evil spirits. I was constantly scapegoated for numerous things, and was once even kicked out of the home to live on the street, where I remained homeless for 2 weeks sleeping under bridges with my guitar as a pillow. I would have remained that way for months but I managed to dust myself off and get back on my feet, miraculously without the help of any “bottom apples” at all.
I am not proud of these things, if I had been smarter I could have avoided a lot of suffering.
As far as my status, I'm much better off now than I ever was in the cult, so if anything they were holding me back, not promoting me.
BTW, you screwed up once in your lame diatribe and spelled shit with an "e" at the end, this means you must be British. I never spent time in Europe and I only know 3 British ex-family members personally, all of them have sufficient backbone to identify themselves when taking cheap shots at strangers. So you couldn’t possibly know me, who I am or what I’ve done.
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| | From Random Commentator
Thursday, January 30, 2003, 22:39
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Actually, I think I was fairly specific about what it was I “didn’t care about”. - I ”don’t care about” what Sunny’s or your intentions are. - I simply can’t imagine that your or Sunny’s (or those like you & Sunny’s) intentions are any more valid or worthwhile than any one else’s. I don’t think either of you succeeding or not succeeding is going to benefit anyone any more than anyone else succeeding or not succeeding. I DO CARE that you seem to think it does. That for some reason, because you now think you and they have clear/ valid intentions that we should all join a support group to help you & them along your way, & boost your confidence because we all think you’re so great. Sorry buddy, it doesn’t work like that. You can’t blame the audience for disliking a performer or the performance. Mmmmm, it starts becoming clear why your own “music career” was/ is such a wind-bag flop.
As for whining, dude, its you & Sunny (& people like you & Sunny) who are whining that people don’t like you & aren’t supporting you. The rest of us don’t care whether we get support from you. If there is “whining” from us its actually annoyance because you expect our support as if its your right, as if we who do not support you are wrong. You need a good dose of reality dude, particularly since as I said earlier, and yes I am repeating myself, because they benefited at the expense of others whilst in “the Cult”. They (& you) obviously thought (& think) they could justify being little demi-gods because their exemplary screeching vocal cords & corny song writing somehow set them a cut above everyone else. – For all those who wonder where the confidence comes from, that’s the essence of it, a contrived attitude of superiority, which people who don’t question accept & then decide to form a groupie-fan club at the expense of riding over often far more decent people.
Another thing PJ, a decision to remain anonymous does not infer cowardice any more than a poker player’s decision to conceal her hand. It’s interesting though that “cowardice” was your “one believable reason”. - You’re even more dim-witted than I thought.
Again interesting how the all-important ‘e’ in ‘shite’ led you to reach the conclusion whether or not you had met me, or I you. So we may assume you remember each person you met in “The Cult” so well as to be able to distinguish whether they would use the letter ‘e’ in ‘shite’. It seems your skills of deduction are basic at best if not completely non-existent. Shamelessly grasping at straws, how entertaining! I wonder what other insights you have gleaned that you might next be letting us in on.
By the way no-one feels sorry for you sleeping with your guitar, I’m sure they’re just glad they didn’t have to listen to your good-night “clothe-me-lightly” lullabies. (reply to this comment) |
| | From PompousJohn
Friday, January 31, 2003, 09:39
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You're reading quite a bit into the things I've said. There seems to be big bad somebody in your life and you're transferred your anger to me and anybody else who differentiates themselves enough to be a target for your crap. Maybe your boogie man is everybody, maybe nobody liked you much and you have the mistaken impression that they should have.
And whether or not your decision to remain anonymous is based on cowardice, (I maintain that it is) you are a coward for attacking people based on their past and their identities while refusing to reveal yours. If we all hid in little holes like you do there would be no one on this site to read your cowardly shit.
And stop referring to yourself as “us” – since you’ve made it clear that you don’t intend to identify yourself no one else is chiming in with you anymore, there’s just too many people out there who have plenty to hide and too many of us who would love to peel the mask off the ones who were always hiding, and then glue the mask back on with crazy glue, peel it off again and see how much skin and hair come up with it.
I don’t care who supports me and who doesn’t, my opinions and statements will not vary based on who my supporters are.
I would be a lot more upset about all this, but the fact is most of your criticism is completely baseless and your information is not true. For some reason there were parts of the world I lived in where stories of me occupied much more than their fair share of the gossip circuits, and I was constantly meeting people who would exclaim over and over that I was sooo different than in the stories they’d heard. You sound like you may have heard a lot of stories but never met me.
From time to time my occupation was listed as “musician” that’s just the way it was, and it was an occupation, nothing else. I had dreams and even some daydreams and most people do. I never hoped my success would benefit anybody but me, after all it’s my success, so why should it? I never played music for your benefit, or for anybody else’s and I never pretended I did. Sure it’s more fun to play guitar than it is to wash dishes, and I realized this when I was still pretty young (4) so I learned how to do it while the other kids were playing with tinker-toys and coloring books.
The family is a communistic type society that by it’s very structure punishes, rather than rewards competence and rewards incompetence, mediocrity and laziness. Those of us who could excel above the others in some area or another were burdened with all the slack created by those who couldn’t even care for themselves (I’m casting an accusing glance in your general direction as I say this) So you should know that when lamers like you attack me with no better accusation than that I was somehow “above” you at some point, I kind of get the same feeling I would if I was to look in my rear-view mirror and find that someone on a bicycle was hitching a ride by grabbing hold of my vehicle. You won’t slow me down, you’re just annoying, and my passing concerns are only for your safety as there exists no danger to me at all.
I’ve known a lot of people who hated musicians, I ran into some in the group and a lot more out of the group. I even had a few anti-groupies who followed me around just to heckle. They were more or less like you, all wannabe’s who were bitter that nobody had ever wanted to hear them sing, and somehow they thought I got “all the women” because I was fronting for a band. (I wish that had been the case) It ate at them, and they would hang out and try to make conversation but eventually the bitterness would overcome them and they would start taking swings at me or pissing on my equipment or whatever. It should be noted that none of this acting out changed who I was or who they were, it only resulted in them feeling stupid afterwards.
And you have STILL not told me what I did that pissed you off so much. You’ve gone off about my “tone” being offensive, (it is meant to be) said I was “manipulative” (what did I make you do?) and some other things, but there are still no specifics.
Just so you don’t go thinking you’ve shut me up I’m making two demands before I respond to you again.
1) Identify yourself, no one’s registered “random commentator yet, so you can even keep your name.
2) Make your grievances with me specific so I can tell whether they have any merit or if you are just making them up.
If someone else who is a registered user would like to whine at me on your behalf I will of course answer them, but not you until the two above conditions are met.
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| | From charity
Saturday, February 01, 2003, 02:18
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i will stand up for her! she has many valid points that convince me....anyone in TF that was back-stabbing, acting like a pompous ass to get up there is a fool!!
not saying that was you john, and not whining either.
i know some cool ppl. that stayed out of other ppls business, and didn't have to use deranged methods to get up the ladder, or become a bonnified singer/musician.
i also think those at the bottom made fun of those on the top, because they didn't ever wanna' be there, otherwise we could be ladder-climbing too.... its not that hard to kiss ass, betray your own friends, and adhere/be involved in/apply the very crap you so hate from the leaders to the ppl. at the bottom to get up there.... But do you earn anyones respect or trust??--No, but you gain position which comes to naught anyways when you leave TF.
I just hope those of you in TF who did that aren't doing that still...many things you did in the cult follow you, their your patterns that dont go away--unless you realize, and confront. Wherever you are in the world, you will be working with ppl./have new freinds & aquaintences who wont appreciate all of the above!! (reply to this comment) |
| | From Becky
Sunday, February 02, 2003, 02:00
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Your right Charity. And I'm glad that you brought this subject up. Even though it was rather blunt and in the wrong section:)--education in Cali?
I'm guessing you purposely put yourself as a target for some flame-bait. Perhaps even partly for the amusement of what the reactions would be. And whoooooa!! I'm amazed at how few people see the significance of what it is you, zola, random commentator and others are saying. I'm not grouping, but you all seem to have some sort of common denominator.
I know what you meant the other day when I chatted to you in the chat room. Some people are all just about hearts, rainbows and flowers--wishy washy, two faced suckers. There seems to be a lot of those on this site. People who want to get "in good" with everyone else, have a "good name" for themselves etc.. It's all part of their insecurities. In short, many people are afraid to say what they really want to say!!
This is actually quite a big topic and I think that many would have a fair bit to say. If they actually sat down and gave it a thought.
Should SGA's need to take responsibility for what they were, what they did, how they behaved in the family?? My impression from you is that your just sick and tired of people not taking responsibility for their own actions. I suppose we all are!! We can't just accuse that of our parents. The very point will loose credit if we ourselves don't face up to our own issues and what we've done. Much of which is embarrassing and humiliating.
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| | From PompousJohn
Saturday, February 01, 2003, 09:54
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My friends and acquaintances appreciate me just fine Charity, and any who don't can just stop being my friends, no one's gonna force them to hold my hand and sway back and forth singing "my family, my family".
And you're right, people that did that do suck, but that was never me. I spent most of my life on some kind of probation and was never "on top".
I've been explaining this for a week now, but for some people slagging is more important than making sense, and although I have enjoyed going back and forth with you Charity, I must say that you seem to be leaning in that direction.
So WHO are you talking about that did these things? Are you just standing up for Random Commentator because I'm the one being argued with? Sure there's enough crap there to dig some "valid points" out of, but how do they apply to the random targets they are being flung at? And how can you stand up for someone that can't even provide a name for themselves?
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| | From charity
Sunday, February 02, 2003, 05:06
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leaning in that direction?? hmmmmm...i've been SWIMMING in that direction!! in fact, i'm there!! if some ppl arent gonna make much sense themselves, i might as well have some fun takin the piss out of them.
i'm talking about a lot of ppl that did these things!! and you ppl know who you are.
and yes random commentator has some very good points. dont take everything so personally. if the shoe fits wear it!!
it would be nice if she had registered a name for herself. that, i agree!! and i would like to know who she is myself cause i think she's cool. however, i dont need that in order to comprehend her writings. i can tell by what she rights that she is intelligent and knows what she's talking about. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | From cz
Wednesday, January 29, 2003, 10:17
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Don't start calling them a 'group,'
just because they agree on certain things. nobodies calling you,joe and your agreeing boys a coven.
i should stand up 4 jn. waters too, hes a good friend!-- but ppl. mis-understand your point of not slagging ppl. off when you in turn slag those very ppl off. just a thot, and btw-lets see those sunny pics!!! yippeee (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From cz
Wednesday, January 29, 2003, 10:26
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to those wanting to slag someone off,why not VASeline??
as far as i know, he's not working on a career like sunny is! she should be praised for it, whether or not she succeeds!!I should have more ambition!!
on the other hand...he's going around feeling the joy of many a 14yr olds praise?(oh no, now i'm gonna get buttrushed from the vas fans?) (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From Shaka
Sunday, February 22, 2004, 20:40
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Are you refering to the "concert" in Hungary? If so, you might be one of the kids I supplied with the very alcohol that got you banished from Vas's wonderful crooning. If you are one of those people there is no need for you to thank me. I was just doing my civic duty. No one should have to listen to that little shithead. A helluva lot of ppl got in shit for drinking at that camp. I always wondered why the dumbass overseers gave the kids that were drinking a hard time and never said a word to me and a few other people who actually bought and distributed the booze and were fucked up on speed for the entire camp! Maybe they thought we were high on Jesus. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From PompousJohn
Wednesday, January 29, 2003, 10:58
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"That" was a series of reasonable questions directed at someone else.
Since you don't seem to have read the post, a Random Commentator said that I was (copying and pasting here)
"obnoxious, arrogant, wanna-be super-stars riding & overlording at the expense of others. People have every right to express their outrage at those who thrived and benefited at the expense of suppressing the "apples at the bottom of the barrel" for their own greedy endeavours."
I’m taking it as a personal attack, because that’s what it is.
This same person went on to enlarge on the foolish "apple" analogy and suggested that the less fortunate apples should cannibalize their supposed oppressors, as if forgetting that the barrel was knocked over long ago largely thanks to us top-dwelling apples rocking it back and forth so violently. Now all the apples have equal access to fresh air and sunshine, and those who previously lived on the bottom can stop whining and…breathe.
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| | From Zola
Wednesday, January 29, 2003, 04:46
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Why thank you Random! That is exactly what I was trying to say. This wasn't meant to be a personal attack on Sunny...although it seems to have touched some nerves!
What I hate is the "Celebrity Culture" that is rife everywhere! It gets on my tits! (Yes PJ, I do have them, [referring to your earlier comments about if Jonathan Waters slept with my wife!]).
By the way Pompous John (good choice of names, suits you to a tee!), in case you forgot we are not in the Family any more and should be able to say what the hell we want on this site!! So, shut it!
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| | From Jules
Tuesday, January 28, 2003, 22:47
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Geez, enough already.
I don't see the point in this endless Sunny bashing at all. Why do some people think they have the "right" to insult and demean other participants here? If that's the best that some people can come up with for free speech than perhaps growing up in the Family really did make us losers.
For the record I am a total Sunny fan. I never knew her in the group, (and have almost successfully blocked the TIV out of all conscious memory,) but call me shallow, I am a total sucker for a body like that. (Be nice and maybe you'll get the pics too.)
To hate someone for what they were in the Family is as stupid as sucking up to them because of what they were. Who they are is a different story. From what I know of Sunny now, she rocks. I love her imagination, idealism and wild child streak. I haven't heard her music now either, but who cares. She has a dream and good for her for going for it? (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Random Commentator
Wednesday, January 29, 2003, 01:25
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That’s fine Jules, & point taken. But just as some people on this thread have drawn parallels to fans of Sunny and fans of pop groups Nsync, Brittney Spears, The Backstreet Boys and what have you, why is it more outrageous that derogatory opinions & remarks would be made to Sunny than ones made about others? If I had known a Backstreet Boy in school for instance, & thought he sucked as a person and/ or musically then it would probably annoy me to walk into a little hive of adamant supporters & I’d probably think to have my say.
Life’s not fair Jules, as I’m sure many of us know. I’m sure many had to put up with Sunny’s “Super-Star” attitude and they may not be quite so inclined to joining your little “Sunny support group”. I’m sorry but I don’t think I’ll ever be a Sunny fan, I’m sure there are plenty of ex-fam-SGA artists who had any opportunity quashed because they wouldn’t play “The Family’s” little games & yet its that kind of independence and originality which IMO creates music worth listening to. As for her body, please, I’m not going to suck up, I see better-looking girls every time I walk 5 meters from my house.
Most good artists have a way of relating to their intended audience, you’ll notice not everyone is a Mariah Carey fan, personally I think she’s a fruit cake, but why is it we can say what we want about her for example where Sunny James is off-limits. We can’t have our strong opinions? We can’t be a bit incensed that we had to have her screeching rammed down our ears (what some of us would have given for a little Mariah Carey relief instead). If she wants to re-invent herself a new personality & let people appreciate her music IF THEY WANT TO, great, but she hasn’t.
Question: Why would a real artist want to have their audience forced to listen to them. She should be thankful there are people who actually tell you how it is. I say she deserves every ounce of criticism or derogatory remarks as its coming from people who were forced to put up with & listen to her crap in silence. If she wants to be a super-star diva, then she can grow thicker skin, otherwise, tough, she can pack-up & ship out.
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| | From cz
Thursday, January 30, 2003, 09:32
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This is the real world! the difference here is that we are nearly a cult outside a cult, and many ppl. know sunny personaly--as opposed to the normal celebrity or wannabe celebrity! its a different perspective all together.
on the other hand, many it seems, are almost dying to stand up desperately in hopes that one of us will be successful enough to make it big. why should it be such an extrordanary thing to be striving for a dream?
in that case can you praise me endlessly for my dreams? i wan't to become a farmer! not dissing dreams, just the glory of unfinished ones.
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| | | | | From shaenock
Tuesday, January 28, 2003, 21:14
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if its a free world in here, why do you get so freaked to death about someones comment? let the people speak their peace!! --uptight jon and ian, are you seriously constipated? or is it that you cherrish your feeble arguements in deffense of someone you dont really even know--(prob. a deed of kindness GBY)you guys are pretty arrogant! anger-management even cures weight problems sometimes. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | from PompousJohn
January 27, 2003 - 09:26
This is a tired subject Zola, check the dates on the archived articles you read now and then, it helps.
The Sunny cult disbanded long ago. I am pleased to say that I have discussed this very topic with Sunny, and although she may have lost some popularity since leaving the group, she is a much better person now than she was then, and has nothing to apologize to you for.
Currently we are discussing whether or not Jonathan Waters slept with your wife, and if so, whether this is his fault or yours, since no-one seems willing to deal with the possibility that it may be your wife's fault.
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