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TASIEB1, February 25, 2006, 08:56
CAN SHE EVER LOVE
THE WOMAN OF MY DREAMS CAN'T ACCEPT THAT SHE IS LOVED FOR WHO SHE IS NOT WHERE SHE CAME FROM WILL SHE EVER LEAVE THE FAMILY IN HER MIND?   (reply to this post)

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Anthony, May 31, 2003, 14:27
HAPPY HELPING HANDS
Hillary Clinton, in an interview with Barbara Walters, said that one of the first things that attracted her to Bill were his hands. “He has big long fingers,” she says, “I just loved to watch him turning pages and playing the sax…,” and I’m sure she loves to feel them pushing other buttons and turning… :P
I guess the man is worth more than just his cigar. LOL!
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Anthony, May 31, 2003, 14:15
Illegal Pregnancy?
This reality is stranger than fiction. Would make for a great sequence in a film.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/US/2020_mafiababy030523.html  (reply to this post)

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ph.b.., May 8, 2003, 08:55
foursomes
What happens when 2 childhood friends both fall for the same girl, and one of them gets her. The girl however, has lied about her name & age and actually thinks she loves the other friend. Then enter me, I know both these guys since 6 months & can see this chick is straining their friendship. I say they should forget the chick, as friendship is worth more than a confused schoolgirl. But things get complicated when under the influence of certain mind-altering chemicals, I end up in bed with her & have a weekend of steamy sex. She then tells me she loves me, completely sober on Sunday. On Monday however, she gets on the phone with one of the friends and tells me afterwards she actually loves him now. I also find out sheís 15!! I tell her itís immature and silly to play with peopleís emotions, and that she wonít ever see me again. Iíve also encouraged both my other friends to break contact with her as according to me sheís nothing but trouble. She seems to be sorry for what sheís done, but how can you trust a 15 yr old girl? Am I being too harsh? Iíve just had my share of slutty little girls and Iím sick of treating them with the respect they donít deserve or appreciate. Iím thinking of calling her now to insult her nicely, Iím also pissed sheís undermining the friendship the three of us guys had. Any opinions are appreciated.  (reply to this post)

re.giffrmrjoyish, May 9, 2003, 09:31
15?????
It seems to me that you are all very young. But this girl is only fifteen. You need to take responsibility for sleeping with a girl that two of your best friends are already involved in. This is a teenager remember that. She is very impressionable at this age. You and your friends need to grow up and act like men right now. I'm sick and tired of hearing blame always placed on a woman and now you guys are trying to villify a 15 yr old girl. I think you all need to leave this girl alone and find someone your of legal age to involve in all this drama.
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re.gifph.B, May 9, 2003, 10:25

Trying to vilify a woman, no. I've learned that you shouldn't decide to have sex with someone while on acid, period.
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re.gifJules, May 8, 2003, 22:33
Slut?
What she has done? You spend a weekend in bed with an underage girl that two of your close friends are in love with and she is the one with the problem? Perhaps you should just tell her "Flirty Little Teen Beware". Of course she is immature, she is 15. At 15 girls are in love with everyone.

Perhaps you don't know this yet, but legality aside, in the real world, it is not kosher to be intimate with someone who has been involved with a close friend.

Perhaps you didn't know how old she was, but a real man would apologise to this girl for taking advantage of her, tell your buddies to lay off, and perhaps see that she gets some help and support.
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re.gifph.b.., May 9, 2003, 06:34

What has she done? Lied blatantly to all 3 of us at one stage or another, managed to turn good friends against each other, and lied about her age and name. You think I would have slept with her if I knew she was 15? That's why i've suggested to both my friends to lose contact with this trouble girl.

Apologize? Sorry but it takes two to tango, she was as much to blame as me for whatever happened.

You think i'm being too harsh by telling friends their either her friend or mine? I value friendships more than teenage romance, and from experience these young girls are nothing but trouble, and don't deserve any respect.

Sorry If I sound too hard, I'm 20 and I've travelled half-way across the world to be with a 16yr old that would sleep with random guys in clubs while with me, and my gf before that left me for my drug dealer, solely because he had money. Another previous gf of mine would dissapear for several days with 'friends' and would tell me to fuck off if i asked what she was up too. Another gf was a crack whore....All in the 15-17 range

So I other words, i wouldn't have touched her with a 10 foot pole if i knew she was 15, and now seeing how she's taken all of us for a ride i told my friends they're either friends with me or her. This is a hard choice because I have all the party contacts but they are captivated by her.

I don't think help and support would do much good, she like your typical naive family girl, with a tendency towards drugs and trouble...
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re.gifsarafina, May 9, 2003, 03:12
I'm not any more
Ok wait..I understand what you are saying but..Please don't bring in "flirty teens bewhare" I was very young when that happened to me . I was pissed that I had to take the fall for it all and not the adult. However, I can not blame him for it either. He protected me from a lot of other things and it was not all his fault. I liked him he liked me., I never slept with him but I admired him like so many did at my age. In this case we were both to blame. Mostly the society we were raised in. I was just 13 when I first met him he looked over me for yrs. I may have been a flirt in t/f but I was a virgin when I left. Again don't judge people on their past pls.
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re.gifJules, May 9, 2003, 11:31
Sarcasm Isn't Clear Online
Sara, I in no way meant that you or this other underage girl are to blame for the behaviour of older men. I was being sarcastic, and trying to tell Ph.b that his disclaimer of "the woman enticed me" is as disgusting as that of the dirty old men in TF. For him to call this child a "slut", when he is the one that should be responsible is despicable. Five years is a very big difference at that age, and I am appalled that he refuses to take responsibility for his actions.

A young girl I am close to went through something similar at 14. Unfortunately the age of consent here is 14, or else I would have made sure that the man was prosecuted. As it was, I made sure her brothers and father knew about it. While she was initially upset with me for doing this, they made sure she was protected from the creep (who was 19) that did this to her, and also were able to give her the support and attention she needed to get away from such low-life's and focus on what kids that age should be involved with: school, friends and sports.
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re.gifsarafina, May 9, 2003, 12:47
My mistake
I'm sorry Jules. I must have miss read it last night cause I re-read it this morning and I see what you were saying.
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re.gif@, May 9, 2003, 10:33
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Sarafina, from my read I think Jules was saying how utterly ridiculous "Flirty Little Teens Beware," the Letter was, not casting aspersions on you at all.

Maybe the letter was written on a situation that involved you, but it was used, as were all letters that started out as a reprimand to particluar parties involved, to put all of us teen girls in the position of shouldering blame for the adults' involvement with us. I was not so lucky as to leave the Family a virgin; the couple I was sent to at 12 who got a power of attorney over me right away decided that it would be a good idea for that surrogate "mother" to send me to "share" with her husband.

"Flirty Little Teens Beware," the Letter, was sick, sick, sick. There is no telling how it has damaged some of us who were not even unlucky enough to be in the particular situation that prompted it, and our ability/inability to relate to men as people (rather than dumb brutes who can be totally overpowered by a woodie that is all the fault of a child even if they are twice/thrice the age of the child and in leadership positions while the child has sold tracts, cleaned toilets or runny toddler noses in an isolated community all her life).

My point is that I think the furthest thing from Jules' post is to judge you on your past. I do, however, have to disagree with your apparent accepting of blame around this situation. You were a child, for God's sake. When I was 18 I was probably more naive (in an f*-ed up way with no worldly experience but having been a sexual toy as a child for a leader & so forth) than Elizabeth Smart at 14. I had maybe made 3 phone calls in my life, all to sell tapes or such.

I totally understand, Sarafina, the feeling of appreciating those who seemingly went "easier" on us than those who choose to be as overtly cruel as possible. I have felt the same way, but now I see (1) that the subtle cruelties were sometimes more damaging (not least because they were misleading as to who was responsible and to be resisted), and (2) as in Stockholm Syndrome, I was being grateful for supposed kindnesses of people who, ultimately, were my jailers in the first place.
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re.gifAnthony, May 8, 2003, 18:17
Jailbait?
I can only,sincerely, hope all 3 of you guys are under 18 years of age.
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pharmaboy.., May 6, 2003, 10:12
wise guy
"What I want is to be needed. What I need is to be indispensable to somebody. Who I need is somebody that will eat up all my free time, my ego, my attention. Somebody addicted to me. A mutual addiction."

-"Choke," Chuck Palahniuk

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