jpmagero, August 16, 2002, 09:52
The ONE (*******)
Its funny that there are 300+ registered users on this site, each with their own opinion, but one opinion that I believe the vast majority share is that hardly anyone agrees with much of anything ******* says. I say "hardly anyone" even though I've not seen anyone at all, just in case there is someone that does who I haven't heard of yet.

Everyone has said something that at least someone else has not appreciated, agreed with etc.. But *******, I would say that almost (ALMOST) nothing you have said on this site has gone over with ANYONE at all. And nearly everything ANYONE else says, goes against your opinion.

Could it be that we have found the enlightened one that has all the right answers and everyone else is just plain wrong? Just a thought.  (reply to this post)

JoeH, August 16, 2002, 11:26
I agreed with his USA bashing
but his stupid biblical slant on the whole situation kind of sets off my bullshit radar.
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*******, August 16, 2002, 11:42
BS Radar??
Tell me Joe, how does one get BS radar signals from a Biblical "slant" when I specifically said I was (& DID--with just a little word of my opinion at the end, not on the scriptures, but basically on what I would do if I had that information presented to me)leaving out my OWN words from the text & typing the Scriptures WORD for WORD?? Is the Bible "Bullshit"?? I'm interested to know what you meant by that!
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JohnnieWalker, August 28, 2002, 08:29
RE: BS Radar??
"There is no God", "All things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation", ""...that's word for word, straight out of the Bible. No ommisions or words of my own in there. It is, however, and I'm sure you would agree, out of context and 'slanted'.

There are hundreds of verses which are used by Christians to back up their beliefs, which are taken completely out of context, i.e. the verses preceeding and following the selected scripture have not been included in the meaning of that one verse. If you'd read the verses you've posted here in context, then I am sure you would also agree that many of them are slanted.
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jpmagero, August 16, 2002, 12:01
take a hint.
man, you never answer the real questions, you just go straight for the haggling over wording without making a real point.
I've maed several posts asking you for real opinions and not one has been answered.
I guess that's the answer then.
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*******, August 16, 2002, 12:10
You'll get my answers....
.....to the questions (if it's the 5 point question you're refering to) in due course! Patience.....! I think I made a real good point with that post! Read it again, along with it's PS & the reply to Joe's reply to it, & see if you can figure it out!
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realmainiac, August 16, 2002, 12:39
who are you?
hey seven, you jonathan, or his younger bro? anyway e-mail me, i grew up with you in india, my parents were kenaz and hodiah, it'd be great to catch up
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*******, August 16, 2002, 11:54
PS.
If you read the post that set off the Scripture quoting (in actual fact copying, but you musta guessed that) it was in response to His challenge that I didn't have a Godly (or Biblical) view to the situation. I think the scriptures say enough for themselves on what is God's view on the US (& for that matter you can find His views on a host of other issues including his opinions of other nations, like Gog & Magog, Togarmah, Gomer & his bands, Persia, Libya, Ethiopia, Egypt, Syria, Israel & a host of others--just in case there are any Americans here who are getting persecution complex & think God's picking on the US!
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JoeH, August 16, 2002, 12:28
The Bible never mentions the USA!
you're interpreting that to serve your own purposes. you need to learn to argue in the real world, not everyone takes the Bible seriously, and even if they do, they're not likely to accept your interpretations/
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Anthony, August 16, 2002, 14:36
The Bible never mentions the USA!
Just a bit of very useless info to waste my time. Pretty much every generation of Christians claim(ed) to have their own private "Babylon", for the early Christians, it was the Roman Empire, for others it weas Napoleon, and of course for Berg it was his own country. Ha, what a bunch of lunatics!

Also, The Apocalypse (Revalations) was a style (genre) of writing comon among the Jews several thousand of years ago similar to our horror novels. It was never ment as a prediction of things to come. The author was attempting to encourage his followers at the present time.

The original word & meaning of "poet", as used in the Bible, was changed to "prophet" by those who were to “profit” from this new meaning.

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., August 16, 2002, 13:25
Yep!
Well said Joe! 7 thinks he's God's interpretor, a very scary place to put oneself.
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JoeH, August 16, 2002, 11:47
riiiiight!
did the bible say the USA was Babylon the whore? did you quote that word for word? To answer your question, yes I feel (my opinion, to which I'm entitled) that the Bible contains a fair amount of BS, and the people who quote it and base their lives on it (i.e. you) are usually pretty full of BS too. However, I still think it's a pretty interesting book, with a lot of useful information and wisdom that shouldn't be overlooked altogether, but viewed with a critical mind.
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*******, August 16, 2002, 12:06
I see....
...so in other words, as long as the Bible fits in with your thinking (you see now you're putting yourself on a level of judge of the Judge's opinions represented in His book--Rev.10:7, in effect setting yourself up as being on a higher plane than the Almighty. Not a very comfortable pair of shoes to be found in, & history doesn't offer much in the way of hope for those who've tried those shoes on!) then you can accept it, but if it contradicts you in any way then it must be viewed with a critical mind as containing a "fair amount of BS". Is that correct?! As far as people containing a fair amount of BS, many people probably do, including many Christians (& I'm not necessarily ruling myself out of that either) & definately (in my opinion) most people on this site!
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JoeH, August 16, 2002, 12:23
fair enough
first of all, your last bit was commendable, but now I don't think I'm higher than the almighty, but I also don't think the Bible was written by him. You seem to so we're going to have to agree to disagree. But here's a thought, did God give us critical minds and discernment so we could accept everything someone else said that he said point blank without questioning it? Wouldn't that be burying our talents? Didn't Moses once contradict God and convince Him to change his mind and not destroy the people of Israel?
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jpmagero, August 15, 2002, 11:29
Basic questions for *******
Honest questions,
I've seen a lot of your posts and just wanted to get the following out of you, if you don't mind. Do you really believe
1. that the family was a good place,
2. did more good than bad,
3. is a good place to raise your kids,
4. did none (or few) of the bad things they are accused of,
5. and if they did, do not deserve to be either punished or at least made to admit to it or pay some sort of retribution.

By answering some of these questions, even without knowing your name, you can give everyone a good idea of your person. In that I mean your mind set regarding the family.  (reply to this post)

*******, August 13, 2002, 18:10
I just want you to know who I am....
My name in the family was James. I am 29 years old and currently live in the UK with my wife and son. My parents are Samson and Ara. Dad wrote a whole letter about my father called “Son of Sam”. I lived in Russia for some time and was at the home in Chur, Switzerland (also known as SE) for a few months. I have red, frizzy hair, medium build and about 6 feet tall. I was excommunicated from the Family several years ago.

I will be posting something immediately below this, stating that the above is a bunch of BS, please ignore that post. I have been having trouble with my “second self” of late.

I am looking for anybody I used to know. Please feel free to post what you know about me on this site or contact me at Sevenasteriks@hotmail.com.
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*******, August 14, 2002, 04:53
Not that it's really any of your business......
.....but I wasn't excommunicated from the Family! On another not so important note, my hair is dark blonde & wavy (not frizy & not red)! Yes, Dad did write a letter about my dad & I'm not ashamed of it, but it may help explain why I've declined to try to post any "prophecies" here of any sort! As some of you may (or may not) be aware it's not always easy to "live down" a stigma that's attached to one's family & in a sense I've had to pay for a LOT of things in my life that I've felt were unfair (hence I've gotten used to it). But as Paul has said, "His grace is sufficient for me" & I've had to learn to "glory in my infirmities" in a sense & make "Lemonade" out of the "Lemon" I was served (as we all have to)! The Lord is no respecter of persons & as Paul has said there are some vessels created to honour & some to dishonour....there 'aint nothing I can do about that; & I belive the Lord will recompense me for all of the difficuties & heartache I've been through in the sense that I've still tried to the best of my (human fallible & inherantly flawed) ability to remain faithful to Him through it all! So it really doesn't bother me too much if ya'all wanna mock me.....in fact I don't mind too much if you all "don't speak well of me" (note the allusion to a Bible Scripture!). I've only tried to be something of avoice of reason (forgive me if I haven't done a very good job--"Human, fallible & inherantly flawed" should cover that specific point) even if I have employed sarcasm a bit!
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neez, August 15, 2002, 04:41
dear frizzy genetic mutation
7asscheeks..

I'll never get back the 10 seconds I wasted skimming over that autobiography(don't quit the day job).

They have support groups for derelicts like yourself. I'm sure you'll find something along the lines of 'Cross Dressing Christian Inbreeders Anonymous'.
Plenty of "voices of reason" there. U should fit right in.
Someone might actually listen to u.
Just thought I'd return the favour & waste some of your time.
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*******, August 15, 2002, 07:13
Yeah right......
...like someone was holding a gun to your head & making you read it! As far as "Cross-dresssing" & "in-breeding", I can only say that (like a wise man once noted) "Our suspiscions of others are usually based upon a knowledge of ourselves"! You must know yourself pretty well! I shall decline to comment on any other drivel (or drool) from this post.
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neez, August 15, 2002, 20:00
suspicions?
I hadn't given you enough thought to suspect you of anything, except being an idiot.
You're saying that 'you are what you know'.
This would explain why you're such a brain-dead idiot(insert 'suspicion').
Spending your time looking for other peoples opinions to reject, instead of maybe getting an education & giving your family a better life(insert suspicion).

Come to think of it, you could've just said.. I know you are, but what am I..?(a much wiser man noted that version).
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JohnnieWalker, August 15, 2002, 09:25
Is that so?
"Our suspiscions(sic) of others are usually based upon a knowledge of ourselves"

If this is true, then the comments you have made to and about others in your many posts should give us a clue as to your character. Thank you for indirectly telling us more about yourself.

Why do you insult one's family just because they've insulted you? What are you so upset about?
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*******, August 15, 2002, 13:52
If that's so then why not expound...!
If you've gotten a clue as to my character then perhaps you could make a nice little diagnosis or analysis (like Dave did!)! And what suspiscions would you base it on....?! T'would be interesting to find out!
As to the "insults to one's family", if you check my post again, I was just mirroring his comment! I don't really know what his family is like, but if there was any accuracy in my statement, I'm sure you (with your very inteligent mind) would know that NO mirror is responsible for the image it reflects! Oops!
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JohnnieWalker, August 16, 2002, 03:44
Mirror, mirror on the wall...
Seven, you do not need to be a mirror. Every one of us is grown up enough to reflect on our own actions and statements. Maybe you should do a little of that yourself?

I repeat: Why do you think you need to render "railing for railing"? I'm sure if you tried a little kindness and didn't have a he-did-it-first attitude (which, quite frankly, is something I would expect from someone 20 years younger than you) you might find people a lot more charitable to your ideas and opinions.

As to your request for me to make a diagnosis: No, will not. I'm sure it would be interesting, but as Paul said, "all things are not expedient" (1 Cor 10:23 & 1 Cor 6:12) thus I will not stoop to the level you have and read into a personality from a disadvantaged point of view. Remember, having a clue does not grant me the right to publicize my assumptions. I may extrapolate but the conclusion would be something I feel obligated to keep to myself, as should you.

Perhaps one day when I learn more about you, I will. But not at this point. If you heard what I would have to say about you now, I would revere you as the noblest of gentlemen if you could take it graciously.
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*******, August 16, 2002, 04:37
Dear JW.......
......I shall take it graciously, & in reflecting on my own actions & statements I see myself as "human, fallible & inherantly flawed" without doubt. In reflecting more precisely on the comment in question, I never said I was THE mirror, but rather that I was MIRRORING his comments (please refer back to the original statement of his & mine to see what I mean) for the benefit of the "gentleman" who made that comment, who didn't seem to me to be "grown up enough to reflect on his own actions & statements" but was rather slinging them about like a 3-5 year old ("to the child, I becams as a child"--about 20 odd years younger then my age!) playing with mud (& that wasn't the only one of his with that flavour!)! Yes, kindness is a good thing to have (like the kindness I've seen reflected here towards the FAMILY?) & I do try to have a good measure of it at the appropriate time & place. But really, it's kinda like a "peace on earth to men of GOOD WILL" sort of issue. Who knows but that a "gentleman" who gets a little VIEW of what he's freely slinging around might be a little more reasonably disposed to softening (read CLEANING UP!) his act in order to make it possible for someone (or even someones) to be able to reach him with a bit of kindness & sympathy!
I too rever you as among the noblest of gentlemen for your wise observations, & for your wise restraint from observations. I should like to be able to meet you again someday & hope we shall be good friends. Sincerely, *******
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JohnnieWalker, August 16, 2002, 06:06
RE: Dear JW.......
The fact that others are slinging mud or being unkind still does not excuse you for doing likewise.

Alright, you do not appreciate my reference to you as being a mirror (I thought that mirroring is what a mirror is best at), let me rephrase: Seven, you do not need to mirror.

Although I would have no objection to meeting you again, I currently doubt that we will become good friends, although, who knows, that may one day change. You see, I, for one, prefer to make good friends with those who will not hurl insults at me for stating an opposing opinion, something which you have done to me and others here on several occasions.

Incidentally, I don't recall Paul saying "To the child, I becams(sic) as a child", but rather, "When I became a man, I put away childish things". (1 Corinthians 13:11)

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*******, August 16, 2002, 06:41
Ho hum,......
......JW, I'm sorry that you don't want to be friends. Friends sometimes playfully banter & I don't think I've thrown direct insults at very many people here (read hardly any--but do correct me if I'm wrong. Certainly nowhere near as many as have been thrown at me!). Granted I may have used satire to suggest an insult, or something that could be constued as an insult depending on what people get insulted at--it varies from person to person & culture to culture, but usually it was when they set themselves up for the fall in a sense. Also if the suggestions have no basis in real life, then where's the insult. "Hit-dogs"?!
Regarding, Paul's phrase, I was borrowing & paraphrasing (& granted probably reversing his psychology) from 1.Cor.9:20-22, not 1.Cor13:11. Like I said in my previous post, if he can come to realize & come to grips with the obnoxious manner of speech he has employed it may even have the strange effect of altering attitudes, which seem to be the basis for such speech (written or verbal--see Mat.12:34), & thus put him in a much better position to receive the kindness that (you claim, probably rightly so--he's the only one who would be able to decide for certain) he may be needing or wanting (subconsciously or otherwise). If it has that effect, then in a sense I've helped do him a service, haven't I? In which case, maybe I DO need to mirror! If you DO change your mind (or anything else) about wanting to be friends (good or otherwise), you know my e-mail address
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., August 16, 2002, 09:33
7* wake up!
JW, I'm sorry that you don't want to be friends. Friends sometimes playfully banter & I don't think I've thrown direct insults at very many people here (read hardly any--but do correct me if I'm wrong. Certainly nowhere near as many as have been thrown at me!). Granted I may have used satire to suggest an insult, or something that could be constued as an insult depending on what people get insulted at--it varies from person to person & culture to culture, but usually it was when they set themselves up for the fall in a sense. Also if the suggestions have no basis in real life, then where's the insult. "Hit-dogs"?! Regarding, Paul's phrase, I was borrowing & paraphrasing (& granted probably reversing his psychology) from 1.Cor.9:20-22, not 1.Cor13:11. Like I said in my previous post, if he can come to realize & come to grips with the obnoxious manner of speech he has employed it may even have the strange effect of altering attitudes, which seem to be the basis for such speech (written or verbal--see Mat.12:34), & thus put him in a much better position to receive the kindness that (you claim, probably rightly so--he's the only one who would be able to decide for certain) he may be needing or wanting (subconsciously or otherwise). If it has that effect, then in a sense I've helped do him a service, haven't I? In which case, maybe I DO need to mirror! If you DO change your mind (or anything else) about wanting to be friends (good or otherwise), you know my e-mail address
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JohnnieWalker, August 16, 2002, 07:10
Playful banter?
No need to be sorry that I don't want to be friends. It's your current attitude preventing it. If that's changed, I would be more than happy to reconsider.

I would hardly classify some of the things you've written as "playful banter" and insults whether direct or not are still insults.

I don't think your logic is sound. Do you honestly think that by "doing unto others as they do unto you" that you will have a positive effect on them? How do you put out a fire by adding fuel to it or stop a flood by adding more water?

It sounds to me more like you just can't stand not having the last word and you don't know how to "let it pass". But I know I must be wrong in that assumption because, after all, you're a grown man, are you not?


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*******, August 16, 2002, 07:42
Ho hum...( plus yawn & ho hum a little bit more)...
Dear JW, although I do hope we can be friends (even good ones), I'm not gonna lose any sleep if the concept does not interest you. If you want me to re-adjust my attitude to make it easier to meet me half-way, I'll try my best to oblige & meet you half-way as well! My attitudes change from time to time, & often to what's around me. Although I didn't come into this site fighting, I did come prepared with "Sword" in hand & haven't been too afraid to use it, but have also tried to employ a certain amount of wisdom & discretion in doing so (unlike a few other folks I've seen posting here). If you could be a little more specific about what things you don't consider to be "playful banter" here (remember I used that word in relation to friends, & I think you're the only one here to whom I've extended that courtesy to specifically--it has so far been turned down, we'll try again some time maybe) it might help me to see your point more clearly & may even provoke a few apologies from me if I feel they are called for (I have tried to be careful anyway & have already given a few apologies here & there), & if it will make you happy! AS far as putting out fires, I'm sure you know that one of the most effective ways of containing a forest fire is to burn all the brush & woods around, thereby giving the fire no place to go & thus effectively containing it until it peters out! It may not be the BEST way, but it usually works pretty good. Having the last word it's a pretty common human trait!!
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JohnnieWalker, August 16, 2002, 09:42
"Rock-a-bye baby on the tree-top..."
About you not loosing any sleep over me declining your "offer" to be friends (as if adults would actually need to offer such a thing): Good, I'm glad you don't. If I were you, though, I would loose sleep over what kind of man I would be in 5 years from now if I kept up the attitudes you have demonstrated. That's an observation, by the way, not a verdict.

"Having the last word it's a pretty common human trait". So are hate and violence. Does that excuse us from indulging in them? No it doesn't.

I will say the following only once, please keep it in mind in your future posts: I have had the feeling hitherto in my communications with you that I have been reading what was written by someone younger than I. I'm sure you are capable of changing the impression you leave others with. Could you do me a favour and write to me as if you are at least my age? It would be much appreciated.
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*******, August 16, 2002, 11:20
"Sitting in a tree top praising the Lord....." (or "Rock-a-bye baby", which ever is easiest)......
Yes, having the last word is a human trait (which you seem to be trying to employ as well, if you don't mind me making such an observation!), as is often sheding a few tears when your seriously injured, eating when your hungry, laughing when you're merry & a host of others, some good, some not as good, & some depending on the circumstance....(like getting the last word--depends what the word is). You can't just lump them all together in one pot & say human traits are all bad. The word of God first of all, applied knowledgably along with wisdom (which also usually comes from God) is the first method of finding out which are good, which are not so good, & which are perhaps semi-harmless! Having the last word can not automatically made akin to hate, violence or the like.
As far as the "attitudes I have demonstrated", that's a bit of a sweeping generalisation. Do you mean the attitudes of standing up for my self, or for the principles I've tried to uphold that are laid out in the scripures (forgive me if my poor human, fallible, & inherantly flawed methods of presenting them have not been to your tastes, I have tried to beat around as many bushes as I could). Or is it the actual concepts of them that are not to some peoples' taste, perhaps because like you said the scriptures are powerful & have an effect, & that propose? It's easy to reject the flaws of the human & at the same time forget or conveniently dismiss the principle that was discussed or the point that was suggested!
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*******, August 16, 2002, 11:35
...cont'd....
...especially when it is in accordance with God's word! Sorry, I made a typo there...cont'd from the scriptures are powerful & have an effect, that the proposed effect or rectification to acheive the desired effect is against what the individuals personal desires are or may be? There are very many of a number of reasons why a view is dismissed or not appreciated, or why the person presenting that/those views in turn is not appreciated or accepted. It is exceedingly irrational to lay it all at the feet of the individual who may to all intents & purposes may not have necessarily thought up those views, but learned them from the Word of God. Where that person is or may be in 5 years is really an open debate, 'cause no-one here is all knowing & sees the future & that knowledge is reserved to God alone! So I'm not too worried in that respect. But your concern is appreciated!
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JohnnieWalker, August 16, 2002, 09:30
Sleep well!
Seven, you said, "I did come prepared with "Sword" in hand". See, that's where you made your first mistake. You didn't come here with an open mind but rather prepared for battle.

You say you have "tried to employ a certain amount of wisdom & discretion". If I may be perfecly honest with you: You have not. If you had, I and many others would have noticed it a long time ago.

About putting out fires: When writing that, I was certain you would reply with that example. Which is why I wrote that you don't fight fire by putting fuel on it.

As the Christian you claim to be Jesus is supposed to be your rolemodel. He has been quoted as saying, "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you." (Matthew 5:44) Is it obvoius that you've been doing much of that on this site? No it isn't.

You ask if I "could be a little more specific" about your insults. I'm sure that you are old enough to appreciate that an insult doesn't neccesarily come in the form of "fuck face", "idiot", "shit head", or "asshole". A comment on your part which denotes lesser intelligence of its recipient, is careless in nature or is written with the intent of making the other person feel inferior is equally as insulting. Unfortunately, the current character limit prevents me from posting all of the comments you you have made under "Setting the Record Straight". But if you wish, you could go back and read them in the light of a recipient. I'm sure you'll understand what I mean.
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neez, August 15, 2002, 20:12
still with the suspicons..

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Jules, August 13, 2002, 18:52
Naughty naughty
Mocking others is fun at the best of times, but when someone like our friend 7* comes along, it's a pure joy. That being said, the elusive 7* did not post the previous "confession" about his identity. Since he didn't post it, not only is the information a bit suspect but it was rather naughty of the poster.

I am committed to protecting the anonymity of the contributers here, and people should reveal what they want to about themselves to whomever and whenever they feel comfortable doing so.

7*, register already. All you need to "reveal" is an anonymous email address, and it will protect your nickname from anyone else using it. If a Family spokesperson can do it, if you really concentrate you might be able to manage it as well.

Jules
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*******, August 14, 2002, 06:05
Thanks..!
Never mind the fact that you're enjoying mocking...thanks for at least trying to maintain a semblance of civilisation here! Much appreciated...(I mean that sincerely, not sarcastically)! I never was one for concentrating real long on something I didn't want to do....but I'll keep your suggestion in mind! Thanks!
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JoeH, August 13, 2002, 18:19
oh well
spoofing you was pretty fun dude, thanks for taking it like a good sport. just a thought, why don't you post a profile?
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*******, August 14, 2002, 09:08
Profile
I have an MSN public profile somewhere on the web.
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JohnnieWalker, August 14, 2002, 11:48
MSN?
This site doesn't have a link to the MSN user database. REGISTER HERE!
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*******, August 14, 2002, 12:15
Register?
Thanks for the suggestion...I'll take it under advisement!
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*******, August 12, 2002, 05:41
JW
How are you doing JW? I hope all is well! Have been real busy lately, haven't had much time for the line! Maybe we can finish that discussion in the Chat Room that we started awhile back. See ya' there some time!  (reply to this post)

JohnnieWalker, August 13, 2002, 03:19
RE: JW
Unless you're posting this for the benefit of all the visitors to this site, why don't you just send me an email (via the Web Site User Directory)?

I look forward to seeing you in the chatroom again too. Let's hope that next time you don't have some other pressing matter that keeps you from answering my questions.
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*******, August 13, 2002, 05:29
RE:RE:JW
I hope so too, however I am quite a busy person & therefore can't always spend a whole lot of time naswering questions that you already (should) know the answers to! I'm happy to chat & answer any genuine queswtions to the best of my ability (read human & falible & inherantly flawed!) but really would rather not waste time just answering questions for the sake of trying to prove something that doesn't need to be proved & that doesn't even make any logical sense anyway. Perhaps we could find something meaningful to discuss...ie: I'm sure there are some REAL issues that could be discussed rather than trying to tempt me (ye hypocrites??!!) to "prophesy" to you how long you'll have your job for, or when & where you met your wife!! Besides it being none of my business it really has no relevance! I'm quite sure you could find a happy merry Gypsy somewhere who for a few DM could fill you up with LOTS of fantastic tales of what she thinks has happened or will happen in your life! You might even get lucky & get more than you bargained for for your money!
I'm in the chat room now for a little bit, & if I don't cath you there now, hopefully we'll meet up there some other time. See ya' round buddy!
Sincerely, *******
PS. I'd be happy to e-mail you from now on if you prefer. My e-mail is Sevenasteriks@hotmail.com if you want to contact me.
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JohnnieWalker, August 13, 2002, 07:24
DM???
You really ought to keep in touch with the news a little more. The DM hasn't been in use since January 2002. I'm sure your spirit helper friends or the Lord could have informed you of this. But then, you might just be too busy to take the time to get a prophecy about that.

About testing prophecy: How else am I supposed to test it unless I know the answer that is supposed to be given. The issue was never prophecy, though. The issue was how good YOUR connection with the Lord is. I still haven't had any sort of proof that I can trust your connection with the Lord. If you can think of a way to prove it other than answering my questions, then I'd be glad to know about it.
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*******, August 13, 2002, 11:36
RE: DM???
Dear JW. Yes, I did relise that the DM wasn't in use anymore, I do follow the news. It just slipped (see the "human, fallible & inherantly flawed" disclaimer) out as that. I'm quite sure you got my meaning though! Regarding my conection with the Lord, I never offered to be a voice of the Lord for you.....you might recall my trying to decline that position by passing the buck on to your "witch doctor/legion" for filling those shoes, so I don't feel called upon to try to be something I don't want to be! Therefore you have no need to "trust my connection with the Lord" (although I personally know where I stand with the Lord & that's good enough for me) & so therefore I don't need to "PROVE" it in any way to you or anyone else! It's not like I've asked anyone here to get out of the fishing boat & come walking on the water anywhere...have I?! Have I really said anything new here then what is already in the Word & in the Bible & has been there for thousands of years?
I'm not trying to be any sort of a "mouthpiece" of God; I have my own faith & vision for what I'd like to see happening in my own life & that of my family & friends, & also what part I have the faith to play in God's overall plan, & anyone of you who is interested in finding out where any of you stand with the Lord would be well advised to seek the Lord for yourselves! If you want any of my opinions on what certain scriptures mean or could be interpreted or applied, or any small advice on anything, I'll try to oblige.
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*******, August 13, 2002, 11:51
actually I'm full of crap
what I just said was obviously a load of bull, I've said a ton of stuff that has no basis in the bible, so I can't really in good conscience refer you to the word when I spout my own BS all the time. I guess I learned too much from Father David, he stopped basing any of his teachings on the Bible a long time ago. Sorry to be leading you lost sheep even further astray
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*******, August 13, 2002, 12:06
Ahem....!
You said it yourself (whoever this imposter is)....you're "full of crap!"..not to mention the "reading MIS-comprehension" syndrome you seem to be suffering from! No further comment!
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JoeH, August 13, 2002, 13:29
the shepherd enters through the door!
maybe if you registered like a normal person you wouldn't be vulnerable to impostor attacks. (I did the one above and I doubt it'll be the last) what do you have to hide? some information about who you are might lend some credibility to your arguments. by the way, did the suggestions that you're somebody in WS
"not move you"? are you still "on the wall"? I doubt that anyone here still believes you're a SGA, your incoherent bible-babble gives you away
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*******, August 14, 2002, 05:33
I never claimed to be the "Shepherd"!
I don't think I need to argue the validity of specualtion....but I must say I'm pretty flattered by the comment in Dave's post that I "may wear the sleeve of a professional..tops in his field"! Thanks for that one Dave.....it makes me feel pretty good about myself! I guess like the Psalmist said, "I am wiser than (almost) all my elders for I have kept Thy precepts" (or something like that I don't remember it word for word)! What sleeve do you wear Dave, just out of curiosity, besides the one of the guy who "prefers the mess of pottage"?! Joe, I will say it again, I am 29 years old, & yes I believe I am on the wall that the Lord wants me to be......it may not be the one anyone else thinks I should be on, but I'm content with the one the Lord's given me...how 'bout you?!
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JoeH, August 14, 2002, 14:35
my wall can kick your wall's ass!
first of all where does this metaphor about being "on the wall" come from? don't people stand behind walls or lean against them? wouldn't climbing on walls be like rebelling against God's will? trying to overcome the obstacles that He's set up for you?

as far as my "wall", God's been treating me pretty damn good lately, so I must be doing something right.

And I bet my daddy could beat up your daddy too, and he probably makes more money than yours!
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*******, August 15, 2002, 05:17
Knock, Knock...anyone at home..(the lights are on so there must be someone about)....
...."where does this metaphor about being 'on the wall' come from"? Try YOUR OWN post which is what the reply was to (I'm tempted to add "ding-dong" or some other insult that directly challenges you in regards to your intelligence, but that could be construed as breaching Jesus' admonition in Mat.5:22--of course then the question comes up as to whether you're my "brother" [in the Lord] or not!)! As far as overcoming obstacles that God has set up for you: He set them up so you could (read MUST) overcome them--See Rev. 2,3! Of course that's what life is all about, overcoming obstacles, which many of you have done quite nicely for yourselves, just turn around now & mock others for overcoming their own as well! Glad to hear that "God's been treating you pretty damn good lately" & that you're "doing something right" (I hope it's the right God we're talking about here)! Hope you've stopped to thank Him for it! AS far as the (5 year old) statement about your dad & mine, I wouldn't doubt you're probably right! My dad's DISABLED, so I'm sure your dad could have a real ball along that line if he were so inclined (if you're cut from the same mold as he is then I wouldn't doubt that either, although I'll reserve that opinion as I haven't met your dad & wouldn't like to make a rush judgement or opinion on someone who may be a very nice person (Gee, what happened to his SON?). Don't forget that a son's revenge could be quite STINGING if a son were so inclined....but vengance is the Lord's!
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JoeH, August 15, 2002, 11:22
don't get your panties in a twist!
Have a good laugh at yourself man, you're taking life too seriously. I think it should have been pretty obvious that most of what I said was flippant and light-hearted, not meant to reflect my real feelings on the subject. The "on the wall" line (I have always put it in quotes) is from a letter by Zerby where she refuses to answer accusations. I still don't quite know what it means, maybe she means on the ball, but is trying to be unique. As far as obstacles, here's a quote from your beloved mo (7 ways to know god's will): "The fifth way to determine the will of God is through circumstances and conditions. These are generally a poor means of finding the will of God, but sometimes they are an indication. Some people call finding God’s will through circumstances “open and closed doors” (1 Corinthians 16:9; 2 Corinthians 2:12; Revelation 3:7–8)." Neither my father nor I have had to kick anyone's ass in a long time, people generally respect us and we respect them, and we don't tend to settle differences physically.
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*******, August 15, 2002, 12:06
Panties??
Not that it's really so important or any of your business but since you know I'm male, generally it's boxer shorts or briefs...at least for me--can't speak for you. Glad to hear that neither you nor your father "have HAD to kick anyone's ass in a long time", since "everyone respects you & you respect them" (Gee, does that mean that you had to kick people's asses to get them to respect you, & is that the penalty for not respecting you?). Tell me, was it just an isolated instance or is to every newcomer that they have to be threatened with an ass-kicking in order to get them to respect you & your dad & to understand their place in the pecking order? Forgive me if I took the threat to my poor DISABLED dad (yet in my opinion, a braver man than you at heart) too seriously. If that's what you call life, I want none of it. I'm quite sure if the roles were reversed you would have been right there with an even stronger worded rebuke at me. I'm a bit sensitive about my dad, & I really love him a lot & admire him for all he's been through.
Regarding the finding the will of God, there are a number of different ways & they must be employed together, not just one (as you've already posted the poorest one), to find God's will, otherwise you could end up a fatalist & never rise to any challenge--& the discussion was never about open & closed doors, but about walls & your suggestion that they're for hiding behind & not being on top of. But if you compare Ecc.3:1 with Neh.6:3 both are right!
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JoeH, August 15, 2002, 12:19
oh man, get a sense of humor!!
we all suspect that you are a male, at least for legal purposes, however, the "panties in a twist" is a joke, maybe you've been in the family so long you haven't heard it. And as far as the kicking of asses, I don't engage in it, in fact I haven't ever laid a real beating on anyone. There have been times when I had to get physical (haven't had to for several years now), which I do not enjoy, but sometimes people won't listen to anything else. About people respecting me, it could be cause I'm tall and while not super buff, not exactly scrawny, but I think it's because, like I already said, I behave in a respectful manner and don't provoke confrontations.
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*******, August 15, 2002, 13:45
Glad to hear that.......
.......& so therefore don't provoke confrontations with me about my dad. Maybe you didn't realise it was a sensitive subject with me (& rightly so!), so I can understand & forgive that. I also don't like getting physical with people, & although I have in the past, I didn't want to & have always regretted it! I too am not so scrawny, but that's besides the point!
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Anthony, August 15, 2002, 16:42
Rising Sun
Hey, if your dad is really who rumor has him to be, I must say that as child I was fascinated with him for the simple fact that he dared (explicitly or implicitly) to “defy” berg. Of course we were told this guy was out of the spirit, and I agreed, yet in the back of my mind I couldn’t help but think otherwise. Now I know that all prophesy is false and a hoax, I repeat, ALL prophesy is false and a hoax; however, the “Son of Sam” remains interesting. Too bad he repented (if he really ever did).
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JoeH, August 15, 2002, 14:02
IT WAS A JOKE!!
Nobody cares whose dad can kick whose dad's ass! you whiner!
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*******, August 16, 2002, 06:08
Hey look Joe...
......At the risk of sounding repetative......YOU are the one who brought up the issue of my dad so stop whining YOURSELF! Let's drop it!
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*******, August 13, 2002, 13:46
WOW you're so right
that really hit me like a ton of bricks! I guess sometimes God will use an apostate to really speak to you, like in the loaf of bread story. Thanks for showing me how out of it I was, I shouldn't be walking in the counsel of you ungodly systemites, or posting in the site of the backsliders. Maybe I should quit smoking crack too, I'll have to pray and hear from the Lord on that one. PTL, I love all of you so much. GBY, SOS, SMF
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*******, August 14, 2002, 05:36
WOW, you're so WRONG
Need I say more?!
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*******, August 13, 2002, 11:48
Re: DM???...cont'd
So please don't try to tempt me to come out with something to try to "prove myself" so you can very happilly label me a "False Prophet" like many have gladly labelled Dad! Remember, prophecy is largely conditional & is like seeing through a glass darkly & largely given for the purpose of increasing someone's faith to operate on what they already feel or know in their hearts to be right, or for warning of impending danger, which if not avoided could come true. Not to try to prove anyone person to be righter than anyone else. Wisdom, Faith, Discernment & most of all Love are the most important gifts that should be coveted after.....mostly Love, cause it never fails! We also have it within our pwer by faith & prayer & obedience to change God's mind & the course of events according to the needs of the moment & thus avert a potential disaster. We also have it in our power to fail God & others, & to not live up to what God wants of us by lack of the above mentioned virtues. A lot depends on us!
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*******, August 13, 2002, 05:31
Oops
PPS. Sorry for the couple of spelling mistakes there!
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SevenAsteriks, July 26, 2002, 11:51
To JonnieWalker
Sorry that I didn't make it back in half an hour to continue our conversation. Had to go make a 'witness statement' at the Police Station about an assult I witnessed & intervened in yesterday! See ya' tomorrow I hope! Cheerio!   (reply to this post)

The Systemite Boss, July 30, 2002, 11:16
Ego inflation
Is it me or do you live entirely for self-aggrandisement....?
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*******, August 14, 2002, 05:39
Yup, It's probably you.
You might wanna keep that ego inflation in check there mate.....it could get the better of you!
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JohnnieWalker, August 14, 2002, 06:19
You can dish it out....
....but you sure as hell can't take it, can you? That was always typical of you, from what I remember of you. Looks like you haven't changed much in that regard.

Didn't you mention that you were going to keep quiet on this one and not answer him? Looks like that comment just ate away at you and you couldn't stand keeping your mouth shut a moment longer.

Also, with comments such as the one you made above, you do great damage to the concept of reading comprehension you so often preach about.
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*******, August 14, 2002, 07:14
Hmmm.....
Being the intelligent person I know you are, & since you used the same line on me I'll reply back to you that I'm sure you can recognise satire when you see it (can't you?!)! "Reading comprehension"? What's that?! Hee Hee Hee!
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*******, August 14, 2002, 08:50
PS.
Regarding keeping quiet about this one, that's not what I said. I said that I wouldn't "answer a fool according to his folly", & I didn't! I employed satire & side-stepped the issue, in effect turning the issue back on him! Reading comprehension??!!!! (Hee Hee Hee again!)
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JohnnieWalker, August 14, 2002, 11:56
whatever...
So in effect by using satire you did "answer a fool according to his folly". Never ceases to amaze me how you just don't get some things. But that's great that you used satire. It's nice to see you lighten up a bit. But since it's so difficult to cath sarcasm in writing people ussually put some kind of remark like "Just kidding" or ":P" to show that they are using wit. I'm sure your grown up enough to know about that. :)
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*******, August 14, 2002, 12:14
Not exactly........
.....He was turning an innocent comment of mine to make it sound like it's something sinister or at the very least presumptious to want to help out an uderdog teen getting bullied & beat up by an older bully (Not that I do it all the time, I just happened to be there at the time). So what is it now wrong to try to help people, just because not very many people now days do it?! And the question he asked was in a statement form so if I had answered him according to his folly (in other words getting into givng a direst answer, then I was damned if I do & damned if I don't, 'cause I would then have had to either say "Yes, everything I do is for self-aggrandisement" (doesn't sound quite right nor is it anywhere near the truth) or say "No, not everything I do is for self-aggrandisement" (thus giving credence to his allusion that I had done it for self-aggrandisement), or I would have had to justify myself & explain that I didn't do it for "self-aggrandisement", which I didn't feel called upon to have to do, since I don't have to defend my actions to him or anyone else, except my conscience & God. So I got out of it by just employing the methods I did, & not even getting involved in his little bit of bating!
Being that he is a system boss, what does he do to help others? Does he/she sit around on his/her fat fanny making life difficult for other people & looking down on others who try in some small way to be "Good Samaritans"? Maybe it wouldn't hurt to try some of that him/herself
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Lauren, August 14, 2002, 14:53
I'm speechless
7*: From your posts I can only conclude that you are the most self-righteous, self-deluded, egotistical and self-serving person I have ever "met". You are so wrapped up around yourself you'll squeeze yourself to death. "Narcissist" doesn't even get close. Stop running commercial adds for yourself, it seems to me that the only people here interested in reading them are those that are wanting a good laugh. Every time you add another post, you bury your own credibility & make yourself a laughingstock. (And NO, you are not delivering any "message" to earn you the "persecution" title. It's your own lack of intelligence that brings it on).

I realize this post is a waste of my time. Like everything else you've replied to so far, I'm willing to bet my last dollar that you'll miss the point of this post too. Do you have anything constructive to say or does tearing other people down and hurling unnecessary insults help to feed your underdeveloped and overinflated ego?
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