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Getting Through : Music and Songs
What did it mean? | from rainy - Saturday, December 06, 2008
accessed 875 times Sometimes I remember words from family songs from my childhood. They just randomly pop into my head and I think "What the hell did that even mean?" Two that have come to mind today are the line from the Don Quixote poem, "I'd rather have rice in my roti..." Is that even an expression? Who uses it? Does it mean the same thing as bats in the belfry, as the poem implies?
The other is from that song "Nobody loves me" when he says, "My friends' true colours show when their flag's unfurled". What does that mean? I can't make sense of that. What is the flag?
Do you have any questions like this? |
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from 3jinosos
Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 18:32
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Please someone enlighten me regarding "The Room." It has an anti-group message from my perspective.
"I'll climb out the window if you won't open the door" - Some of the exers actually had to climb out a window the escape The Family.
"There's got to be more" - Than mind control?
"Don't fret yourself about the things that will never pay" - Group members don't receive a paycheck for being in the group...l
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| | | | | | |  From rainy
Saturday, January 17, 2009, 21:06
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This is one very beautiful, honest song. Because of that honesty I think it touched a chord in many of us who sang it growing up as it expressed thoughts we weren't allowed to otherwise express.
Like many other true concepts, the family tried to use anti-establishment or freedom songs to say that they were escaping the system and becoming free. But for those of us born into the family, we weren't free, and the desire to escape and find freedom was there. In fact, things like the book 1984, etc. often were turning points for us when the family was trying to use them the other way around.
Talk about doublethink!(reply to this comment) |
| | from murasaki
Friday, December 19, 2008 - 07:33
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Here's a creepy one...."seeds, seeds, seeds, seeds, seeds". I used to love all Aaron's old songs, sure he was tripping when he wrote them, but at least they were good fun. ;) Not like "we are not afraid to die" or some of those other morbid depressing ones.
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| from Nodoby
Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 07:12
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I like the song "Nehemiah", from the "Bible Adventures" tape, where his enemies were trying to get him to stop his work for the Lord, and come down off the wall so they could get him, and he replies, (in the song) "I'm off to a real good start and I've got the Joy of the Lord in my heart, come on let's go we're got a job to do!"
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| From tathata
Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 00:56
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What a romantic viewpoint, you're on a Web site with opinions that do not conform to yours, and you think you're being persecuted for "righteousness sake."
Building metaphoric walls is not my idea of courage; it's a Web site not a bunch of people trying to pull down Nehemiahs (that being said there are of course people here who hate TF).
Remember, the people on this site are people who grew up in the same cult as you. They are individuals thinking for themselves.
Do you think for yourself?
This is a portion of a letter that Nietzsche wrote to his sister when he was 20, when he renounced theology. Now, I wouldn't mind hearing your reaction to this, but if I don't get a reaction, I don't mind either, and might expect not to:
"Is it really so difficult simply to accept . . . what is
considered truth in the circle of one's relatives and of many good
men, and what, moreover, really comforts and elevates man? Is that
more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing
the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of
one's feelings and even one's conscience, proceeding often without
any consolation. . . . Here the ways of men part: if you wish to
strive for peace of soul and pleasure, then believe; if you wish to be
a devotee of truth, then inquire."(reply to this comment) |
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Monday, December 15, 2008 - 15:31
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I wish there were a Ridiculous Lyrics Database on here for all the times something like, "The beaverrrrrs, the beaverrrrrs / They [climb around a lot?]..." popped into my brain.
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| | | | From rainy
Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 04:08
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Being a bit of a greenie and a bit of a Jefferson Airplane fan, that's one song memory I actually like. "Americaaaaaaa... You've destroyed your beaver population..."
(PS: don't ruin it for me, in my warped memories they were cool protesting hippies singing that song, and I kind of put Jefferson Airplane quality singing into my memory too) Then again, thanks for bringing it up, I didn't know what beaver was slang for when I was a kid, now the song's kind of wrecked. Much like America's beaver population.(reply to this comment) |
| | from tathata
Monday, December 15, 2008 - 00:03
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I dunno, I don't really think about Family songs, they're not very deep. Weren't those older songs ripped from folk songs and traditionals?
I used to like hip hop songs, I liked how they could fit so much in one song (it reminds me a bit of attention deficiency). You get so many pictures in your head.
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| | | | | | | from exfamily
Friday, December 12, 2008 - 05:39
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I occasionally think along those lines, and also the various mottos and sayings people would mindlessly respond with to a given situation, that didn't actually make any sense or help at all if you think about what they were actually saying.
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Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 07:15
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A Roti is similar to a chappati, which is a type of unlevened bread eaten throughout the orient, but cheifly in the Indian subcontinent. Rotis are often made with meat and/or rice and vegetables, and often fried in oil rather than cooked over an open fire. Quite tasty!
Bats in the belfry is an expression used to denote when someone is a little crazy, or their most northern regions aren't in frequent useage!
When the flags unfurl is the only time you can actually see what the "colors" really are, as before unfurling they're all wrapped up more or less hidden from view; although you can get a pretty good idea of what flag it is by looking at a furled flag, especially if you've seen that kind of or that specific flag before! When a flag is unfurled it means that whoever unfurls it is prepared to show you exactly where they stand and what side they're prepared to take, hence you know whether or not they really are or were your friend or not.
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| | | | | | | | | | from Phoenixkidd
Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 13:43
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Wasn't it Rice in My Roni? Like Macaroni? Roti is a type of Indian Bread, and I doubt it was that.
Flags unfurled means when you unfurl your flag in which case you are displaying your colors anyway.
My favorite was tick tock tickiok tick tock tickiok, very creepy now as there is a horror flick where the perpetrator goes tick tock tick tock. I think it's the Saw series.
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| from Haunted
Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 09:29
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There was a whole lot of nonsense in some of the music we used to listen to...
Prime example:
"Ah-choo, I love you, thank you lord for sneezing. By the breath of His mouth were the Heaven's made and the planet Venus is freezing".
First of all, if there is a god, wtf are we thanking him for sneezing for - secondly, what the hell does Venus have to do with it?
There's more nonsense where that came from too...
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| From Fish
Thursday, December 11, 2008, 08:11
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I dont recall anything about Venus freezing. I think it was something like "the world and all his/is pleasing."
Incidentally, the supposed reason westerners say "bless you" when someone sneezes is because sneezing was thought to be symptomatic of bubonic plague, and therefore the pope recommended that bystanders "bless" the sneezer so as to ward off the disease. (reply to this comment) |
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Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 00:52
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No, but I do wonder about Portishead's " Sour Times" when she sings : " Nobody loves me,it's true" if she's singing about a love that she has lost or a love she's not allowed to indulge in.
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| From celestej
Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 03:28
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Hey placebo there's a band called Placebo, no relation I'm sure ;) They have a cool song called Pure Morning with a really trippy video. If I weren't computer retarded I would post the youtube link. You should check it out. I really like that song Sour Times, although I could have sworn it was Garbage. Portishead and Garbage have sort of the same style, don't you think? I'm bored and sleepless if you can't tell :)(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Samuel
Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 05:41
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1. Open YouTube in another browser.
2. Find the video you want on YouTube.
3. Highlight the address of the video. This is called a "url"
4. Right Click on the highlighted text, and a menu should pop up. Choose "Cut" or "Copy from that menu. It really doesn't matter which one, as the video will continue playing regardless.
5. Return to MovingOn. Right Click inside the comment box, and the menu will pop up again. This time choose "Paste"
There you go. (You can also make this easier by highlighting text, and pressing "Ctrl" and "C" at the same time to Copy, and "Ctrl" and "V" at the same time to Paste.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQQmAP9Poo4(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From exfamily
Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 12:19
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For example, this "guide" he wrote. No one asked him for it, or even how to copy and past a URL, but fair enough if he wants to tell Celestej how to do it. All he needs to say is "Copy the thing that starts with 'http' in the address bar at the top of the youtube page and paste it in your post" or something to that effect. Instead he writes a 5 step guide which treats the user as an idiot. He might as well have told her to turn her computer on first. If someone is capable of posting here, they're capable of knowing they'll need to open a browser window and go to the relevant youtube page. And obviously they'll be returning to movingon.org, how else would they post the link? And his keyboard shortcut part also came across as completely irrelevant to the task, it's like a kid trying to show of his newfound skills. I work in tech support, and the only time I ever wrote a guide like this was to take the piss out of a colleague for doing something stupid.
And that's just this one post here, most of his others also come across as condescending. Perhaps he's trying to be fatherly or something, "You see, ..." but all I feel from his posts is condescension. (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 14:43
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Excuse me while I get myself another soda from the fridge because I just spilled mine all over my keyboard from laughing so hard! You of all people accuse me of being condescending? You just don't get it, do you? You've actually managed to put your statement about Conservative viewpoints a bit milder this time, but you have not been nearly as kind in the past. Hopefully you realize that calling someone else's viewpoints "backwards" is definitely condescending. But I do guess it is fair game, as there are people in this country that would call forced nationalized health care, pulling out of Iraq, and the recent efforts to somehow prevent global warming rather backwards as well. So it works both ways.
Insults like that are often used by people who would rather reject whole ideas offhand than consider them, choose what is useful and makes sense to them, and throw the rest out. And who can blame them? It requires much less thought.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Baxter
Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 15:49
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Samuel, if you present a fair argument, most people will simply confront the argument. A lot of your assertions lack strong argument, relying instead on rhetoric, dogma, and assumption. I accept that in all likelihood I myself am probably guilty of the same; still, perhaps the fact that you tend to go against the grain doesn't help. Most people will be more than willing to address an adverse argument without resorting to attacking the proponent of that argument, until that person seems not so much to present fair arguments as a series of consistently bogus assertion. More so when they come to perceive that person not so much as an argument they cannot counter, so much as a weariness that is a waste of energy. You know I detest liberal dogma (as popular as it is) as much as conservative dogma. In fact there are probably one or two things I might agree with you on (for instance pulling out of Iraq), and if you were to spend less time trying to make yourself sound clever and maybe considered whether or not what you say is even necessary, you wouldn't garner such negative response. I mean, most of us know what it is like to take the role of 'devils advocate' in here, and for the most part we are quite forgiving.
By all means continue to go against the grain. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Samuel
Thursday, January 15, 2009, 13:41
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See, that's why I did the whole thing step by step. Cheeks has my phone number, and I have hers. She could call me if she needed help with her computer. Celestej's case is different. I don't know what's happening on her computer, if she's about to give up, if she gets it, if she can take it from there, if she pushed the wrong button and made the video full screen so that she can't see the address bar, or what. All I know at the time is that she is a self described "computer retard". Don't laugh, I'm sure there was a time when Exfamily was also a computer retard. It is a process that most every person has to go through. Maybe I was condescending to Celestej, but I did not mean to. I was just trying to be helpful.(reply to this comment) |
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