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Getting Through : Lighten Up
God Puts Family International Leader Peter Amsterdam On Notice | from James_Massa - Thursday, September 06, 2007
accessed 1831 times After hearing and reading a number of sincere testimonies about abuse and wrong doings inspired by The Family International Leadership, God has called me to write a Prophetic Rebuke of Woe against Family International Leader: Peter Amsterdam and the Leadership as a whole. Prophetic Word: God Puts Peter Amsterdam on Notice
I am a Prophet and Preacher of varying denominations who was brought to the Lord by friends I have in The Family International. The Family has some great people in their group who really love God, and God is using them to save souls, however The Family Leadership is in serious error and sin which causes iniquity to abound. God has called me to give The Family International Leadership, and in particular Peter Amsterdam, a Prophetic rebuke for the way they treat sexual abuse victims and run the organization as a whole.
The Lord has commissioned me to write edifying prophecies for The Family in the past, so I am not biased, I have a balanced perspective toward The Family. I see the good qualities of The Family, but I have been ignoring the bad qualities for far too long, and today the Lord has commissioned me to write a prophetic rebuke of doom and woe against a Leadership who refuses to repent of its wickedness.
Samuel was also a Prophet, and even though he was raised up as a servant of the Lord by Eli and his household, Samuel was called by God to Prophesy a Prophecy of Doom and rebuke over Eli and his household. I am also like Samuel, and even though I was brought to the Lord by friends I know in The Family, God has called me to deliver a Prophecy of Doom, woe and rebuke to The Family International Leadership. It is scriptural for a Prophet who is brought to the Lord by a certain people to prophesy against them, as we see in the book of 1st Samuel. For TF to say this prophecy is not valid because they brought me to the Lord, they are gravely mistaken as scripture in Samuel disproves this.
Peter Amsterdam is a main leader of The Family International which is a spiritual body that serves God. However Peter Amsterdam is a like a cancer inside the body of believers that is rotting away the body of believers like a cancer, Peter is corrupting the house of Israel by strengthening the hands of molestation and abuse just as Eli’s sons corrupted the House of Israel in the book of 1 Samuel. “Now Eli was very old; and he heard everything his sons did to all Israel, and how they lay with the women who assembled at the door of the tabernacle of meeting. So he said to them, "Why do you do such things? For I hear of your evil dealings from all the people.”( 1 Samuel 2:22-23). We hear the evil doings of Peter Amsterdam from many people, and I have witnessed the testimonies of people in The Family who have genuinely had evil done to them. Peter Amsterdam’s position of power and leadership makes him accountable to God, as Peter Amsterdam’s policies and directions strengthens the hands of the evil doers so that none turns from his wicked ways, “Also I have seen a horrible thing in the prophets of Jerusalem: they commit adultery and walk in lies; they also strengthen the hands of evildoers, so that no one turns back from his wickedness.” (Jeremiah 23:14)
Peter Amsterdam has demons influencing him and is destroying the body of believers which he Shepard’s, the sheep are in need of a new Shepard and Peter Amsterdam is going to be struck down by God as a warning to the leaders of The Family. “Wail, shepherds, and cry! Roll about in the ashes, you leaders of the flock! For the days of your slaughter and your dispersions are fulfilled; you shall fall like a precious vessel.”(Jeremiah 25:34). People are going to wail and cry when Peter Amsterdam is struck down by God, Peter Amsterdam is going to die of a heart attack in less than two years for his wicked ways and idleness in taking responsibility for the child abuse cases, “But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.”(Matthew 12:36). Peter Amsterdam is going to give account to God for his idle words and lack of repentance, toward the cries of the sheep who cry for justice and accountability. God is going to spoil Peter Amsterdam’s pasture and strike him down dead with a heart attack, and this will cause the other leaders in The Family to wail and begin to take responsibility for their deeds. If the Shepard’s of The Family do not repent after Peter Amsterdam dies of a heart attack, God will also kill the Shepard’s in the Family who did not repent and they shall not escape! “And the shepherds will have no way to flee, nor the leaders of the flock to escape. A voice of the cry of the shepherds, and a wailing of the leaders to the flock will be heard. For the LORD has plundered their pasture, And the peaceful dwellings are cut down because of the fierce anger of the LORD.” (Jeremiah 25:35-37). God is going to cut down the peaceful dwellings of The Family Leadership when He kills Peter Amsterdam with a heart attack in less than 2 years, God will then cause other leaders of The Family to die of heart attacks if they do not repent after Peter dies.
Anyone who ministers the gospel is a son of Levi, the sons of Levi are Gods priests. Peter Amsterdam has chosen to be a leader of the sons of Levi, and is causing the sons of Levi to error and walk into destruction. “For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.”(Isaiah 9:16). Judgment starts at the House of God before anywhere else, so it will be the House of David that will be judged first, “For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God.” (1 Peter 4:17)
God has no pleasure in giving Peter a heart attack and killing him, but justice must and will be done, and it is just that Peter die. The Family is the House of Israel, and the fear of God must be sent into the House of Israel so they turn from their evil ways. “Say to them: 'As I live,' says the Lord GOD, 'I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?”(Ezekiel 33:11). Turn from your evil ways Peter! Turn from your evil ways Oh corrupt Shepard’s of Israel! I have watched the responses to the abuse claims which people once involved in The Family have made, and Peter responds and coerces Maria to respond with pride and selfishness, they judge not the cause of the fatherless, neither do they seek justice for the oppressed. For behold, Peter Amsterdam shall die in his iniquity, then shall the House of Israel fear God and become refined in the fire, then shall the sons of Levi swiftly come into repentance. For the Lord thy God shall be a swift witness against them, “And I will come near you for judgment; I will be a swift witness against sorcerers, against adulterers, against perjurers, against those who exploit wage earners and widows and orphans, and against those who turn away an alien-- because they do not fear Me," says the LORD of hosts.”(Malachi 3:5). Peter Amsterdam is a perjurer, adulterer and one who exploits orphans, he turns away those of his flock who cry out for justice as one turns away an alien, for his ways shall be the way of perdition and the Lord shall be a swift witness against him.
As a Prophet and man of God who sees things through the eyes of the Lord, I have patiently looked at both sides of the argument, I have looked at the responses to the abuse by Family Leadership, and I have looked at the consistent claims of abuse made by people in The Family. I have seen honest and sincere testimonies of abuse made by former people in The Family, and in many cases I have seen: sincerity, honesty and a genuine desire for justice permeate off these testimonies. When these testimonies are made and Family Leadership are asked to take responsibility for their actions and be accountable, Family Leadership responds with a pride filled arrogance and heart of stone inspired response by refusing to admit its their fault, “Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the LORD of hosts.” (Zechariah 7:12). From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, and it is what comes out of a man’s mouth that defiles him. The responses from Family Leadership about the abuse illustrate a heart of stone, because they refuse to take responsibility and be accountable; and they seem to not flinch at the genuine complaints of abuse. The leadership seems filled with pride and self righteousness, refusing to take responsibility for their actions and policies which strengthen the hands of evil doers in their own flock. Pride seems to dominate the responses Leadership makes about abuse claims, the fruit of the spirit is absent when they respond with stone hearted pride when confronted with genuine abuse claims. “Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.” (Proverbs 16:18). Peter Amsterdam is responsible for the corruption within the flock, he has taken the role of Leader and is accountable before the Lord, his spirit of pride is going to send him to destruction and death. Peter has taken influence over Maria and continues to influence her and lead her astray. Maria will be spared and will come into repentance after Peter is swiftly brought to death through a heart attack by God.
Just as Jonah was reluctant to go to Nineveh to preach and deliver a prophecy that in a certain amount of time Nineveh will fall, so too I am reluctant to put a date and method for Peters death in this prophecy. But out of all the Prophets in the Bible it seems that Jonah’s prophecy was the only one that caused true repentance, and the prophecy did not come true. It is my sincere hope as a brother in the Lord, that Peter finds true repentance as he reads of this prophecy and the Lord of Hosts relents on this prophecy coming true. I recognize that true repentance always has its fruit, and The Family would want to completely change their: entire organization, policies and teachings which inspire abuse.
Let it be said that sex outside of marriage is and always will be fornication, and it is clear that the sexual policies and teachings of The Family are inspiring widespread abuse, and is allowing demonic activity to come into the organization. Peter’s repentance will be clearly evident and his leadership clearly recognized by God, when these sexual teachings are withdrawn and the widespread practice of these errors has been cleared up within The Family.
The widespread sexual abuse in The Family International is an abomination to the Lord, and the Lord desires that they put away these abominations, so that they can return to Israel and be prosperous. “If you will return, O Israel," says the LORD, "Return to Me; and if you will put away your abominations out of My sight, then you shall not be moved.”(Jeremiah 4:1)
The Family Leadership do not defend the rights of the needy ones who come in humility to declare that they have suffered abuse, the leadership refuses to take action and responsibility, and for this the Lord shall punish the Leadership. “The right of the needy they do not defend. Shall I not punish them for these things?' says the LORD. 'Shall I not avenge Myself on such a nation as this?”(Jeremiah 5:28-29)
It’s clear from the testimonies of vast a number of people who were in The Family International, that sexual abuse has occurred and was inspired by Leadership sanctioned teachings and policies. The stone hearted, unflinching, pride filled statements by Family Leadership seem to contradict the sorrowful and sincere complaints of sexual abuse victims, including victims who are actual children of leaders. The statements by leadership also seem to contradict official Family teachings sanctioned by Leadership, and this clearly shows there is deceit being employed by Leadership. “They hold fast to deceit, they refuse to return.” (Jeremiah 8:5).
The Family Leadership coerced by Peter Amsterdam, refuse to repent of their wickedness and abominations, and when confronted with legitimate claims of abuse they respond and say, “What have I done?” and refuse to admit them and their policies are inspiring sexual abuse, they continue to follow their own imaginations and course. “They do not speak aright. No man repented of his wickedness, saying, 'What have I done?' Everyone turned to his own course.”(Jeremiah 8:6)
It is very clear that The Family International Leadership’s sanctioned teachings and policies are inspiring sexual abuse abominations, and The Family Leadership is not ashamed of it and refuse to admit they are wrong and responsible for it all. “Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? No! They were not at all ashamed, nor did they know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall; in the time of their punishment they shall be cast down," says the LORD.” (Jeremiah 8:12)
The Shepard’s who make up The Family International Leadership deal with the abuse victims with dull hearts of stone, and refuse to humbly admit that the Leadership are responsible. “For the shepherds have become dull-hearted, and have not sought the LORD; therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.”(Jeremiah 10:21). God is clearly not allowing The Family International to prosper, as multitudes are leaving The Family because of: abuse, scandals and ungodly leadership.
God the Father speaking:
Peter Amsterdam is like Ananias, in the book of Acts. I struck Ananias dead because he withheld the price he sold a possession for. Shall I not punish Peter for his abominations and deceptions? Shall I not punish him for his deceit and perjury; shall I not punish a Shepard of deception and ungodliness as this? He strengthens the hands of evil doers with his implementation of policies that multiply abominations, he seeks not the cause of the oppressed and abused. Peter and Maria seek to get close to me with food deprivation fasting and different spiritual communication techniques, but “is this not the fast that I have chosen: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, to let the oppressed go free, and that you break every yoke?”(Isaiah 58:6). The bonds of wickedness have been placed upon these sexual abuse victims and they need to be loosened, the only way to loosen them is to renounce your sexual teachings that inspired this wickedness, turn from your wicked ways and admit that you are in serious error.
I plan to make Peter an example to The Family International Leadership, I know his thoughts and I know the spirits of lust he embraces, he is a man who follows the imagination of his own heart and often hardens his heart and encourages Maria to harden her heart. Peter is an abomination to me and I am holding him responsible for the deceit, sexual abuse and corrupt leadership in The Family. The Shepard’s will wail and mourn when Peter dies of a heart attack in less than two years, then they will fear the Lord and then they will know that I am the same yesterday today and forever. When the children of Israel were disobedient in the Old testament I swallowed them up in the ground, I sent fire down to consume them, and I am the same yesterday, today and forever.
I the Lord shall not be mocked, for my people dishonor me with their actions, Peter lacks justice and coerces Maria not to act in justice toward the abuse victims. Peter and Maria’s singing I have pleasure in no more, neither do their gatherings and praises bring me pleasure, “Take away from Me the noise of your songs, for I will not hear the melody of your stringed instruments. But let justice run down like water, and righteousness like a mighty stream.”(Amos 5:23-24). I am sick of your praises and singing Peter, I want to see justice flow to the sexual abuse victims like a river. I am sick of watching you praise me with your lips and mouth and seeing your heart far from me, as you follow the imagination of your own heart. I am sick of watching you subtly manipulate Maria to achieve your own ways, for you think that nobody sees the imaginations of your own heart and your motives, but I know your heart and I know your ways. I am warning you Peter, you have less than 2 years to repent. You must publicly denounce the teachings of sex which inspired so much sexual abuse, and you must humbly admit you were committing wickedness and strengthening the hands of molesters and evil doers. You must repent to be saved, my wrath abides on you Peter and just like my Holy Spirit struck down Ananias with a heart attack, so too does my Holy Spirit wait to give you a heart attack. Repent before its too late you worker of iniquity!
I the Lord have spoken. |
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from The Archer
Monday, October 29, 2007 - 17:12
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This is the biggest load of madness I've ever read in my life. I think your are a maniac and spending time with The Family has probably made you more mad than what you already were. I think you need help.
I did read your whole prophecy out of interest and for entertainment, and I am a Christian, but its clear becoming involved with The Family has made your schizophrenia worse. I appreciate you took the time to write this prophecy with all the scripture, but the fact that you admit your a schizophrenic doesnt give you much credability, and the madness written in your article only proves you are a schizophrenic who believes in madness.
Good look in getting help and getting a healthy mind.
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| from neez
Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 02:29
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Too many...easy jokes...must..constrain...myself
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| from cheeks
Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 07:50
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Why do we have to wait two years to see if you are a false prophet? I don't believe in prophecy and I am a Christian. To me prophecy is always people trying to push their own agenda. To say he may die after two years is to say there may be a hurricane off the coast of North Carolina in the next two years the chances are highly probable seeing we get hit almost every year. Seeing Peter has already had two alleged heart attacks the odds are pretty good esp seeing he treats it with garlic. Or perhaps thats to keep the Vandari vampires at bay who knows. Anyhow, I don't think coming here or going to Family homes is good for your mental health I think you need to pop some more medication.
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| from Shaka
Monday, September 10, 2007 - 09:52
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What I wouldn't give for an arena and some lions right about now...
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| | | | from Big Sister
Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 18:57
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I too thought this article was a joke, but I remembered seeing James Massa's name somewhere before....
He wrote a piece called "Saved from Drugs, Organized Crime and Witchcraft!" which was posted on James Japan's pro-Family blog. Naively, James Japan thought James Massa was a good guy in his self-serving introduction, "I received this testimonial by email on June 1, 2007 from a 25 year old man in Australia. I hope you enjoy it as much as I do! I think it paints a true picture of what many people face in the world."
Recently, James Japan removed the testimonial from his web site. I guess he changed his mind about enjoying it!
But thanks to Google, that web page is forever cached.
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|  From James_Massa
Saturday, September 08, 2007, 21:42
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Big Sister, Thanks for your input, I appreciate the fact that you don't consider this prophecy a joke. It's not a joke and I was near tears when I wrote the prophecy and was reluctant to post it on movingon.org. The Family Leadership claim movingon.org is some hate site, and I was told not to come on this website as its nothing but a hate site that mocks God. I came on this website with an open mind and evaluated all the evidence and the responses by Family Leadership about the abuse, and I was appauled by the arrogance in the Family Leadership responses regarding abuse, and I saw there was no love or compassion in their self righteous attitudes.
The Family Leadership claim that this website is a hate site against people in The Family, and although some people on this website can be quiet crude at times, it seems most people involved in this community agree that their are many great people in The Family who want to do good, but that the actual leadership is abusing its power and is completely out of control. I do not hate The Family, I have friends in The Family who are good people and love God, I was lead to God through a friend of mine who is in The Family. I hope to remain friends with the people I know in The Family, unless the decide to completely excommunicate me for writing this prophecy.
James Japan really dissapoints me. I sent him a positive prophecy for The Family and he accepted that, but when I showed him this negative prophecy that shows the bad side of The Family International leadership he refuses to accept it. He told me that the reason he didnt accept the negative prophecy was that it wasnt approved by WS leadership... yet the positive prophecy I wrote was never approved by WS Leadership yet he accepted the positive one! The Family Leadership love to point the finger at the people in this community, and try to remove the speck out of everyones eye, but they refuse to remove the log from their own eye when a sincere person with no partiality tries to point out negative attributes of the leadership and deliver a word of rebuke from God.
The Family told me to listen to God and obey the Bible, the Bible says to preach the word in season, rebuking, exhorting with all longsuffering and patience. I have kindly sent James Japan and The Family prophecies and words that exhorted them, and they recieved those with open hands, but when I send them a word of rebuke regarding negative aspects of The Family International they refuse to accept it, and claim Im involved with a hate filled community on movingon.org.
I do not hate The Family International nor do I hate any individual. But the Bible tells me to hate evil and maintain justice, "Hate evil, love good; maintain justice in the courts."(Amos 5:15). I hate the acts of abuse that have occurred, and I hate the evil unjust and self righteous responses Family Leadership makes to abuse victims. I was told by James Japan that this community blasphemies against the word of God and that I should keep out of here as your all wicked, yet when I read the open letter to The Family Leadership from this movingon.org community, I saw that there was many scripture passages in that letter that backed up the complaints against Family Leadership. I also saw there was genuine sincerity and truth in the Open Letter of complaint, later on I read Family Leaderships self righteous responses to the complaints made by movingon participants, and I was appauled by the Pharisee type responses coming from TF Leaders.
TFI loves to accept my positive testimony and my positive prophecies, they even post the positive prophecies I write on their websites, but when I write a prophecy of rebuke against, them with a sincere desire to see a positive change in the organization they dont accept it. TF Leadership only likes accepting positive prophetic words and anything negative that rebukes them is considered from the devil, even if its backed up by scripture! I really think TFI Leadership is at a immature level, because part of preaching the gospel is rebuking and not just exhorting as outlined in the Bible. TF likes accepting exhortations but they claim your of Satan if you give them a rebuke with all longsuffering and patience.
Im not a TFI hater, but I am a balanced Christian who knows and respects many people in TF and believes they have some great qaulities. I am a balanced and fair person, and I also plan on writing a positive prophetic word to the myconclusion.org website, as I see some positive things happening in TFI. TF cannot ignore the negative forever, and it is absolutely immature and shows they have immense pride by ignoring the reasonable complaints and rebukes directed toward them. There are great people in TF who are there to serve God, but there are also people in TF who are only there to feed their lusts and abuse people. The abusers in TF are like a log in the eye of TF, and untill these people are removed from TF Leadership, TF has NO right to point out the speck in anyones eye from movingon.org.
Dear Family International Leadership, why dont you remove the log from your own eye before pointing out the speck in everyone else's eye?
When I wrote a positive testimony and prophecy for The Family they loved me and showed everyone, and said it came straight from the Lord. Now that I have written a negative rebuke in humility against The Family International Leadership, according to them the prophecy and rebuke of correction is not valid and they refuse to accept it. According to TF I am also mixing with evil hate filled people when I visit and post on the movingon.org community.I came to movingon.org to get a balanced perspective and get the truth, Jesus said, "know the truth and the truth shall set you free." Well now I know the truth, the truth is, The Family has some great people and some great qaulitites in it, but they also have a dark side. The dark side of The Family is that they have policies that inspire abuse, and they have abusers in Leadership positions who are out of control.
On James Japans (A TFI member) website he has the testimony of John Todd on there in audio format. John Todd has a similar testimony to me as in the sense he was saved from the occult and became an on fire Christian for Jesus. In John Todds audio testimony and sermon he says that some Christians have a spirit of lust which they possess and do not want to get rid of, because they have such a greedy hunger for sex and fleshy pleasures. This comment in John Todd's sermon really contradicted alot of the behaviour that TF practices, and it was posted on the website of a TF member. I was then confronted with information on a TF members website that contradicted the teachings of his own organization. I then begin to see there was genuine abuse going on in TF, and I decided I needed to look at TF from a balanced perspective. I really hope TFI changes, as I believe their current leadership and policies are taking them nowhere. Anyone who gets involved with them as a Christian can only grow to a certain level, because their obsession with sex really stops their growth.
I still fellowship with TF members as they are my friends, but Im involved with other Christian organizations because I cannot grow any further in TF.
It's clear TFI is falling apart, they are building their church in vain and God is not building it. I hope they read this prophetic word, really wake up to themselves, and take the log out of their own eyes. Im already being punished & persecuted by TF for posting this prophecy of rebuke and negative perspective on movingon.org. My positive testimony and positive prophecies I wrote for TF have been stripped off TF websites in reaction to me posting this article on movingon.org. Well... Jesus said, "a servant is not greater than His master, if they persecuted me, they will persecute you!"
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| | | | | | | | from James_Massa
Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 09:10
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I sincerely hope that Peter Amsterdam and the Family Leadership repent and publicly denounce their policies that caused so much abuse. I hope they admit the abuse is all their fault and take full responsibility, I also hope that all the abusers turn themselves into the authorities, after reading this prophecy and apologise in a public arena to every person they ever abused .
It is not my wish or hope that Peter Amsterdam die of a heart attack, I hope and pray he repents of his wickedness and turns from his evil ways, so he can avoid this punishment of wrath from God. I have done my bit by obeying the Lord and posting this prophecy, may Gods will be done. Please pray that the Family Leadership comes into the will of God instead of defying it so they can avoid judgment.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Snake oil.
Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 16:51
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Actually its not. It's like using snake oil to cure an imaginary sickness - and that sometimes works. So, if you are talking to people who believe in the Koran or the Bible, you can convince them through that. And you can also do wonders with people who believe in prophecy through prophecy. James just chose the wrong audience and I encourage him to send his prophecies and Bible refutations to all the Family members he knows!
James the Prophet, very few people here are interested in prophecy or the bible. (Incredible understatement there!) So posting your stuff here just results in anger and or derision. You seem very sincere though.
Your post might be welcome on exfamily or newsdaynews. Actually I am sure it would be. But, for your education, here is something to consider about prophecy. You say that you gave good prophecies about the Family and the leadership that were accepted right? Then you read about and were convinced that abuse happened. And then God have you prophecies which were pretty much in line with your thinking...right? But you still see Maria as not as evil as Peter. Okay, here is an exercise. Read up all you can about Maria, and how she has aided, abetted, taken part and led the abuse and unscriptural practices you talked about. Then ask God for another prophecy. My guess is that after you are convinced that Maria is right up there with Peter in the evil stakes, that you will get different prophecies. The conclusion being that I don't think you are insane. Bringing prophecies is not insanity when you are taught and encouraged to do so. But, hinking that you can get a prophecy from God leads people to think that their thoughts are from God. Basically, there are churches and groups all over the world who believe in prophecy. If they are nice ones endorsing the leadership, they are mostly accepted. If they are critical of the leadership they are not. What does that tell you?
Some people on this site have probably prophesied themselves
when they were in the group, and thought it was "from God".
They may now think differently!
In the end, people still won't be convinced of your prophetic status even IF Peter has a heart attack within two years because its not really that implausible. Go back and ask God for a specific date on which the the King will die. If he dies on that date, a few more people might listen.(reply to this comment) |
| | from Pip
Friday, September 07, 2007 - 16:48
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If you please sir, whilst you are at it, can you pray for the
Glorious Liberation of the People's Technocratic Republic of Vinnland?
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| from Baxter
Friday, September 07, 2007 - 14:36
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This is a well constructed joke, right? One of you wise-asses has thought it would be funny to pretend to be some wacky 'prophet' who thinks he can talk to God, innit?
Who is it? Exister? AndyH? Banal? K'mon! This shit is too ridiculous to be real! This character is too fucking self-righteous to be real, he's cut from exactly the same cloth as Kelly and Berg and Zerby et fucking al.
Well, if you are for real, and not some very clever joker (hey, hedging my bets here!), then you my friend are simply another strain of te same fucking virus!! Whatever it is you think you understand in regards to the shame and folly of those you condemn, you yourself fall foul of the same stupidity as they. YOU THINK YOU CAN TALK TO GOD!!! YOU THINK YOU CAN KNOW THE MIND OF INFINITY!!!! You think that you, a trivial spec on the arse of eternity have been chosen by providence as the messenger of FUCKING GOD!!!! YOU PEOPLE KEEP SETTING THE PARAMETERS YOUR SUPREME BEING SO HIGH, YOU ONLY MAKE YOURSELVES SEEM MORE INSANE EVERY TIME YOU TRY TO INCLUDE YOURSELVES IN HIS EXCEPTIONS!! God is all knowing, all seeing, all powerful, the power of the universe and the span of eternity, but hey, he in his infinite wisdom chose Jimmy Massa as his messenger on Earth, and now all Jimmy has to do is get all the other false messengers who are just as convinced (and hey fucking doo dah, with precisely the same ammount of justification for thinking it) that they, not you, are the mouthpiece of God!!!
Well, if you are for real, not one hell of a clever satirist (I'm still holding out here!), let's just say that the only thing you ridiculous claims provide on this site are some much needed entertainment!! If you are real, then you my friend have your head so far up your own arse that you need a windshield to see where you are in your fucking intestines!!! MAY GOD STRIKE ME DEAD IF I PROFANE THE WORDS OF THE FUCKING PROPHET!!!!
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| from Shaka
Friday, September 07, 2007 - 13:20
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LOL! Fucking dork. Hope you're right but not holding my breath. Get some therapy, freak.
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| from steam
Friday, September 07, 2007 - 07:15
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Way to much to comment on and not much worth doing so. But I do want to ask you James Massa one question in the interest of maybe helping you out. Will you publicly commit that if Peter does not "repent" (a proposition I would gladly stake any deal on) and he doesn't die of a heart attack by Sept 6th 2009. You will renounce any notion that you have some link with God, and realize that you were some overzealous kid who psychologically needed to feel important or special? I don't want to leave you wiggle room the way "The Family" always does when they turn out to be dead wrong. It will put on on an even more dangerous path of not only being somewhat schizophrenic, but learning how to justify your screw ups. That skill will of course be very useful in starting your own cult. Ready to commit to the proposition?
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| From James_Massa
Friday, September 07, 2007, 08:44
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steam, Thankyou for your reasonable, excellent and intelligent response. This is the first comment I have felt the deisire to respond to, as it's the only comment that seeks the genuine truth to be known and to bring me into account for my actions.
Jesus Christ appeared to me with the Angel of Death, both of these spirits confessed Jesus Christ came in the flesh and died on the cross for my sins. Jesus had two keys in his hands and said, "I have the keys to death and Hell". Jesus pointed to the Angel of Death and said that this was his gatekeeper of death. A line of angels lined up in front of the Angel of Death and had the tip of their swords annointed with death by him, I asked what was happening, and the Angel of Death told me they were preparing to purge the Sons of Levi (Sons of Levi are the priests or Ministers of the Gospel). The Angel of Death told me that Peter Amsterdam was going to die of a heart attack within two years if he does not repent publicly of his wickedness. I thought I was going crazy when I saw these visions and I dont blame people for thinking im nuts, but this is truth of what I saw.
I vow and swear that if Peter Amsterdam does not die of a heart attack by the 6th of September 2009 I will: admit Im a delusional schizophrenic, check myself into a psychiatric hospital, publicly announce on youtube that Im a nutcase who see's things, and I will also write an article that I am a schizophrenic who needs help and publish it on movingon.org
I really hope that I am a nutcase and that what I saw was not real. It's not an easy job when Jesus Christ appears to you in person to give you a message of doom to deliver. But as a person who believes in God and believes his visions are real, I must put my trust in the Lord and obey him and not have confidence in man. God told me directly to post this prophecy on movingon.org. If Peter does not die of a heart attack by the 6th of September 2009 I will be relieved that I dont have to be a Prophet with such a burden, and then I can seek psychological help for my visions, live a normal life and just relax.... But I really think my visions are real, and I believe I have been called by God to be a Prophet of refinement.
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| | | | | From rainy
Tuesday, September 11, 2007, 03:24
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Thanks for that James. Holding you to it. 6 Sep 09. Just remember, I've lived through three or four estimations of the economic crash, rise of the antichrist, battle of armageddon, the rapture, the wrath of God...when I dared to imagine what I'd be when I grew up, the adults would erupt into laughter and remind me that I was never going to grow up. At the age of seventeen when there was a choice between an expensive mouth operation or to lose my teeth by the age of thirty, my stepdad was sure Jesus would be back long before I got anywhere near thirty. I've lived past so many 'prophesied' dates. So, what's one more? Well, it will be entertaining I suppose, I'll look you up on youtube. :)
And seriously, TAMWORTH? That's the most entertaining thing I've heard in quite some time.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From Lithium
Monday, September 10, 2007, 09:59
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Hey James,
Care to enlighten us as to why Queen Peter's going to die and not Zerby, who is even more rotten to the core than Peter! If you think she is "anointed" in any way and you would bow at her feet, then kindly get the fuck off our site and never return. She is an evil witch who fed young girls to Berg for his sexual perversions. She is, IMHO, far more guilty of crimes against humanity than even Peter, if that be possible! If "god" is judging anyone, then may it be her.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From James_Massa
Friday, September 07, 2007, 10:41
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"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."(Hebrews 11:1). Have hope and faith that justice will be done dear steam. The Lord is a God of justice and he will punish Peter Amsterdam for his iniquity and abuse, then shall the house of Israel fear the Lord. The fear of God is the begginning of all wisdom, TFI has no wisdom or justice in dealing with the abuse cases, but when Peter Amsterdam drops dead of a heart attack and is punished by God, then shall they fear the Lord and begin taking responsibility for their wicked actions and practices.
You said you hope I am not crazy and that this prophecy is hopefully true, well their is a spark of hope in you my dear friend and nobody can ever take that spark of hope away from you. Your spark of hope is like a shining jewel that you can hold onto untill September 6th 2009, and when the day of Peter Amsterdams punishment comes you can trade your diamond of hope for a treasure of justice. Justice shall be done my friend, for the Lord your God seeks justice for His people, His mercy endures forever. God has mercy on the people who were abused and hears their cries, and He will punish the perpertrators and be a swift witness against them. Peter Amsterdam will be the first example as he will drop like a domino, behold a whirlwind of fury shall land upon the head of Peter Amsterdam and he shall wail like a trevailing woman as he falls to the ground and dies of a heart attack.
The clock is ticking..............104 weeks to go
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| | From JohnnieWalker
Friday, September 07, 2007, 11:15
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Honestly, in a sadistic sort of way, I kind of hope you're right about Peter wailing as he dies of a heart attack (although, quite frankly, your comparison to a wailing woman is sexist and unnecessary). But the rational side of me says you are completely delusional, and personally, I would prefer a judge-issued prison sentence for the guy.
Your rhetoric and use of Bible passages do little to support your statements on here. You might as well be quoting passages from Greek or Egyptian mythology, as I consider the mystic teachings of the Bible to be on the same level as those of other modern and ancient religions.
Now before you go trying to re-convert me to Christianity, let me just say this: The Holy Spirit can go fuck him/herself.
There. Now that I've committed the unpardonable sin of blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, I've made it impossible for you to save me, so there's no need to waste your time trying. :P(reply to this comment) |
| | From thatata
Friday, September 07, 2007, 10:58
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" You said you hope I am not crazy and that this prophecy is hopefully true, well their is a spark of hope in you my dear friend and nobody can ever take take that spark of hope away from you. Your spark of hope is like a shining jewel that you can hold onto untill September 6th 2009,..." - Oh yeah?
And why are u not attacking Zerby (Mama Maria)? Can u answer that?(reply to this comment) |
| | From James_Massa
Friday, September 07, 2007, 11:31
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I am not attacking anyone at all. It is God who is going to attack Peter Amsterdam in 104 weeks and punish him with a heart attack.
What God has told me and shown me in visions about Maria and her future:
After God deals with Peter and he dies of a heart attack in about 104 weeks, Karen Zerby(Mama Maria) is going to come out publicly and denounce all the sexual teachings that inspired abuse, she will openly admit before the media that she was wrong and was being decieved by a demon who was masquerading as Jesus and that Peter Amsterdam was manipulating her. When Mama Maria hears these voices that inspire her teachings of sex, she is actually hearing a demon who is masquerading as Jesus, if she asked that voice if "Jesus Christ came in the flesh?", the voice would curse her or be silent because demons cannot confess Jesus Christ came in the flesh.
Maria is being decieved and manipulated by demons, and she is also being strongarmed and manipulated by Peter Amsterdam. Peter Amsterdam is the one God is targeting and will make an example of, Maria will appear on the media in tears and repent and denounce her wicked behaviour and that of her Leadership. She will send a public apology to the movingon.org community and admit that she and the leadership are responsible for ALL the abuse and take full responsibility. All the members of TFI who have abused people will hand themselves into the authorities and confess their guilt and crimes, because they will be afraid of being struck down by God with a heart attack, they will also write a public apology to every person they abused and post their apologies on movingon.org
Maria will repent and turn from her wicked ways, she is a woman and she fell and was decieved by the serpent just as Eve was decieved by the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. When Maria turns from her wicked ways, repents and denounces her teachings that inspired abuse, God will forgive her and restore her. "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."(2 Chronicles 7:14)
When Peter dies of a heart attack, Maria will know that this prophecy came from God and she will realize she has been decieved and manipulated. Maria will then humble herself, repent and turn from her wicked ways. The Lord is going to bring justice to all, and justice must be done for the victims of abuse, the Lord hears their cries and shall answer swifty and justly.
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| | From Shaka
Saturday, September 08, 2007, 09:54
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LOL! Wow dude..wow. The only thing that fat, emasculated, pony-tailed fuck can strong arm is Jeebuses heavenly boner during temple time. Zerby is about as evil as a human being (I use the term loosely) can possibly get and should be beaten with a bag of bricks till she stops twitching. You on the other hand, should be committed and forced to spend the rest of your life in a padded room so doped up that any spirit messages you receive will just be the Valium talking. Or you could save the taxpayers money and "walk with God"...off a building. (reply to this comment) |
| | From You are killing me!
Friday, September 07, 2007, 08:58
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And this seems even slightly rational to you? Angels with annointed swords, gatekeepers with keys? What do angel need swords for? Why do spirits need keys? Why not guns and bombs to wage spiritual warfare? Why not forcefields to keep people from sneaking in and out of heaven and hell? Is it just me? Dont you see it? Only crazy people have "visions" like this. You have read the bible stories and incorporated them into your nutty little world. Either that or you are a liar.
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| | | | | from rainy
Friday, September 07, 2007 - 04:01
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Um...did anyone notice this was posted in 'lighten up'?
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| | | | | | | from murasaki
Friday, September 07, 2007 - 03:04
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This reminds me of some other prophecy that some other self-proclaimed prophet had about Peter. Something about Peter, peter, pumpkin eater......or was it humpty dumpty? Oh yeah, it was Peter Absolom with long flowing hair. Why do these guys always pick on Peter?
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| from That's a bit odd
Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 17:11
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In my opinion, this article has no place on this site. It's entirely irrelevant. So some self proclaimed prophet who has no connection to TF/COG writes a self obsessed piece of fiction, directed at members of TF/COG. And? Why is it here?
Is it just me, or are we getting a lot of non-ex-sga new site members who seem to have very little respect for the MO community?
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| | | | From Baxter
Monday, September 10, 2007, 06:10
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HAVE YOU NOT PAID ANY ATTENTION TO ANYONE!!!!
I thought Johnny Walker put it pretty plainly when he perscribed self-coitus to the holy ghost, but you didn't pay any heed to that, did you? You genuinely don't get what an obtuse skull-fucked imbecile you actually are, do you? Whether or not you genuinely believe that you are OR ARE NOT in fact a divinely authorised medium of God is irrelevent here BECAUSE NO ONE GIVES A FLYING FUCK ABOUT YOUR FUCKING GOD!!!! Whether or not anyone here believes in God is not the issue either, because no one here (or anywhere) with half a brain would want to believe in YOUR god! You pray to and worship precisely the same construct of idiocy and fantasy as those you condemn.
DO YOU THINK THAT ANYONE HERE ... no let me rephrase that ... DO YOU THINK IT IS POSSIBLE THAT A VICTIM OF ABUSE MIGHT NOT FIND THE FACT THAT THE ABUSER OR THE PROTECTORS OF THE ABUSER MIGHT SUBJECTIVELY HAVE NOT DEALT WITH THE PROBLEM IN A FUCKING SCRIPTURAL WAY!!!!!!??????? How can you not understand how totally irrelevent you and your verbatim is!!!??
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| | From Fish
Monday, September 10, 2007, 08:22
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Baxter, did you rejoin the military or take up cocaine or something? The familiar schoolboy polish which once typified your comments seems to be lacking of late. I deduce a change of lifestyle of some kind. Perhaps you no longer care what anyone on this site thinks. While this is a worthy sentiment it also points to some kind of lifestyle change. Did you acquire a steady girlfriend? I scent a large amount of self coziness in your uncharacteristic lack of eloquence, and therefore must assume that you are either doing some kind of amphetamine, in a new social grouping of some kind, or are in a comfy relationship. Maybe all of the above at once. That would be my choice. Now, kindly write something to the effect of “brilliant Holmes” so I can feel even smugger than usual.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From v
Monday, September 10, 2007, 09:29
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Awww Baxter come on, you gotta admit he was at least a *little bit* right...
Personally I'm glad to see some urgent, angry comments again - your more carefully thought out and eloquent pieces, while certainly intellectually challenging and therefore much appreciated, were never quite as gratifying to me as your more antagonistic ones always prove to be. Anger FTW, IMO.
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| | | | | | | | | | | From James_Massa
Monday, September 10, 2007, 07:24
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Baxter,
If you would refer to the Open Letter to Family International Leadership from people in movingon.org, you would realize there is much scripture used in the open letter to them, because it exposes the TF Leadership to hypocrisy.
It is not my concern if people do not believe in God or not, nor do I have a motive to convert people from this community to Christianity or any other religion. As far as I was aware this is a non-religious community which allows the right to free speech.
I really dont see how verbally abusing people helps this community or people that have been abused, but as this is a free-speech forum you have the right to use whatever language you choose. I apologise if I have offended anyone by using scripture from the Bible, but it seems that many others in this community have been using scripture in their articles & letters. My only motive for writing on this forum was to offer support to abuse victims, and to let them know I am here and that I support this community. Yes, I admit I am a Christian and I do believe in God, and I believe I hear from God, and I apologise if that offends anyone. Regardless if people hate the fact that Im a Christian, I still stand by this community in support, and I will continue to actively tell TF and others that I am against the abuse, and that I believe TF Leadership needs to take responsibility for what went on.
I am in here to support and I am in here to help. I'm sorry if people don't like what I say, but I sincerely care for the people who were abused and I want to let them know that I'm here if they need me. (reply to this comment) |
| | From Baxter
Monday, September 10, 2007, 08:34
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The use of scripture or bibilical doctrine in context of argument and to the point of illustrating hypocrisy or doctrinal provisionism is very far removed from the usage and context in which you yourself use it. You, unlike those who wrote the open letter, have faith. Beyond this, and this is the bit that makes me fucking homicidal, your faith does not merely extend to the exploration of theological possibility, or in the pursuit of a code of conduct, as with most decent Christians; Yours is (exactly in the same manner as those you decry) a means to self-affirmation. You use your interpretation of scripture as well as your own self-avowed mediation with God to impose a position of value for yourself. Can you, will you understand that, having grown up in the shadow of David (who did precisely the same thing), you bringing this kind of bulllshit onto this site genuinely makes me want to **** your **** from your **** and wear it as a shirt!? What is even more infuriating is your complete inablility to understand how totally impertinent this crap is on this site!! You're so blinded by your own hyper-inflated ego that you can't grasp how completely like Berg and Zerby and Kelly you really are.
Maybe I'm throwing a blanket over everyone else here, and maybe other people actually do take comfort from your 'prophecy', and are not insulted to think that after everything, we'd still be prone to swallow his kind of babbling horseshit. So for my part: If I ever meet another SGA who genuinely needs the kind of 'help' that you profess to provide, I'll gladly pass them on to you!!! (reply to this comment) |
| | From James_Massa
Monday, September 10, 2007, 09:12
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Dear Baxter,
I certainly appreciate your constructive critisism, and I will make an effort to cater to your perspective and the perspective of others. Im new to this community and Im trying to: adjust, fit in, and be myself as much as I can. Im just here to: help, get involved and meet new people. I can understand I can be eccentric, and I will try and be less eccentric in the future, but this is the sort of person I am. But never the less, I am a real person and I am here to be a friend and just be myself.
I hope I can contribute to this community in the future in a way that will make you think more of me. I look forward the future as I think it can only get better, as it gives me a chance to learn from my mistakes and become a better person.
Best Personal Regards,
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| | | | | From t (="=;) t yeah, call me disturbed
Monday, September 10, 2007, 02:28
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What ten gram brain gave this comment a thumbs up? Not to go all Adolf on anyone, but I'm feeling very genocidal today. Let the wise survive. The foolish masses should make themselves useful as fertilizer for some cannabis farm. Die, fools, die. I propose routine intelligence tests, where those who fail are immediately apprehended and carted off to a processing plant, to be execut... processed.
Some proposed methods of processing would be,
Death by safety pin. Prick em till they bleed to death.
Death by solid carbon dioxide. A couple glass cylinders, cork seals, some dry ice.... rammed down any available orifice.
Death by piano wire. Starve em till they almost die, wrap them up in piano wire, then feed them triple servings of junk food 30 times a day.
Proposed sites for these extermination, er, processing plants,
Vatican
Jerusalem
Mecca
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| | from t (="=;) t
Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 17:01
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How can you be the true prophet when I'm the true prophet?
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| from Lithium
Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 16:45
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Haaaaaaahahahahashaaaaaa....wait...hahahahahaaaaaaa! How much do we bet Mr. False Prophet thinks he's one of the two endtime witnesses? I think there should be a two witnesses competition for all the aspiring prophets to fight it out till there's only two left.
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| from web research
Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 14:56
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"I will be on the world stage as I'm elevated by God into the public eye so I can share the truth about God and his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. [...] My mere shadow will heal the sick as the power of Jesus Christ and the Father will flow through me like electricity, I will do all signs, wonders and miraculous healings in the name of Jesus Christ and with the authority of the Father, as I exalt the Holy name of the Lord." -- James Massa
http://www.youtube.com/user/EscapeMinistries
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Dissonant
Friday, September 07, 2007, 08:29
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Yes, I think so. But it is hard to tell with dogs. It could also be that he is hungry and you look like a tasty steak to him. You know, like when Tom and Jerry are finally getting along and then they take a cruise and inevitably get shipwrecked. Then, before long, hunger and fatigue begin to set in and Jerry sees Tom as a lamb shank and Tom sees Jerry as a chicken leg or something. I'd just like to know where the hell you find salt, pepper and a napkin to tie around your neck on a 10x10 sq ft island consisting of nothing more than sand, a rock, and a palm tree. Besides, who needs a napkin when you are about to eat your long time nemesis turned best friend? I mean hell, is a napkin really going to make you any more civilized when you are about to eat your friend alive? I doubt...... it.........
Sorry, I got carried away. But yes, it could be that.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | from vix
Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 10:56
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Groan. Just what we needed, another headcase.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | From JohnnieWalker
Thursday, September 06, 2007, 20:56
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If the results of my research on the web are correct, no, he isn't.
Apparently he claims he was a witch and into the occult until he was witnessed to by a Family SGA. Although he only spoke with her for 30 minutes and has not met her again since, he claims he fell in love with her and wrote her a poem.
He is in touch with several Family members who send him GNs and newsletters, and he seems to have a decent knowledge of how TF operates.
He also claims to revere Maria as queen and claims he would kneel before her if he ever met her.(reply to this comment) |
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