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Getting Through : Lighten Up
Ten Things You'll Only Hear In "The Family" | from Samuel - Thursday, July 13, 2006
accessed 4491 times 1. OMG! I can't believe you shared with my best friend!
2. Slow down, Nathan. There are always Romans on this street.
3. I hear Miriam Slovenia is back from the field.
4. Are you talking about Katrina B. Katrina C, or Katrina H.?
5. That was his old name, he's Gideon now.
6. The goyem don't even realize how much power the Jews have here.
7. Baby number 11 is on the way! Hallelujah!
8. Is this meat rotten eonugh to throw out? I wouldn't want to waste any of the Lord's money.
9. Didn't Dad write a MO Letter on that?
10. In my day, we had to write our verses on index cards and hang them around our necks.
Possibly followed by: And we couldn't eat until we memorized that verse. |
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from Phoenixkidd
Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 09:32
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Geesh, I remember once when discussing monotonous monthly reports with a co-worker I said, "wow what a Green Door!" He turned to me with a stupified look on his face and asked what?--To which I quickly corrected myself with some other faux paux.
Imagine if we had some kids reading tutorials that had these phrases:
1.) Uncle Freedom and Aunty Faith got lots of fresh fruit from provisioning!
2.) Little Gideon then sets out to purge the vegetables.
3.) Auntie Lamb exclaimed, "We met some wonderful sheep but they were with a nasty goat!"
4.) Don't sit on the ground because you might catch worms.
5.) It's announcement time, Teen Marty reminds everyone to aim their guns straight on the target ---the toilet bowl.
6.) New Babe, Love chan, asks if this Lit is DO, DFO, or for everyone.
7.) EA Mike tells the kids when he was a JETT he had problems with Daydreaming
8.) New Disciple Francis, gets excited when he hears the word that we are to "get in the spirit" he secretly hopes he will attend a cheer rally at the local high school.
9.) Adults and Children are encouraged to speak in tongues, prophecy and exclaim, "TYJ, PTL, & WE love you Jesus" during their many loving jesus fellowships.
10.) Uncle Hosea explains to EA Mike how sister Tasha (30, Single mom with 3 children) has some needs and needs some sharing time!! He says, "She would do it everyday if she could, but I simply don't have the energy to do it anymore!! ----By the way this actually happened to me when I was in the cult, I was approaced by a leader who was nearing 50, I was 21 at the time--Thank god she was hot!
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| | | | | | | | | |  From PopNFresh
Thursday, July 20, 2006, 11:08
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Funny because I did something similar when talking to my boss a few years ago, I mentioned "the camel's nose" in relation to a coworker who was acting similar to the camel. I ended up explaining the whole story to him, and he loved it. A couple weeks later I sat in a meeting where he was giving a presentation, and he used that story! Everyone loved it, and I sat there chuckling to myself. When he asked me where I heard the story, I told him some locals in Kuwait passed the story along to my boyfriend.
I have no idea what it's origins are, but it was new to everyone here.(reply to this comment) |
| | From EyesWideShut
Monday, July 24, 2006, 18:27
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Now that's funny! I too have told the camel's nose story on numerous occasions and people love it. I've also used Green Door from time to time, and now have some of my co-workers using it too. Ha! Same goes for camel's nose--they actually say it now and know what it means. I joke about, "you did that so well, you deserve a raisin". I've also told them about shiners and shamers and sometimes we use that with a chuckle. "Course, most of the people I work with know about my background and find it amusing.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From Captain America
Friday, July 21, 2006, 18:52
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Well, you're both wrong. The stock market didn't crash in one day, according to Wikipedia.
The Wall Street Crash of 1929 , also called the Great Crash or the Crash of '29 , was the stock-market crash that occurred in late October, 1929. It started on October 24 ("Black Thursday") and continued through October 29, 1929 ("Black Tuesday"), when share prices on the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) collapsed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929
In any case, you should have studied harder, rather than relying on your TF education. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Captain America
Friday, July 21, 2006, 20:46
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No... no one has ever told me I'm dick. I have been called worse things. Captain America exists only to serve, by providing accurate information and useful advice. I've often wonder why people lash out when someone tries to help them, as if frightened by intelligence. I suppose it's the same phenomenon as mocking the kid in the class with the highest grades rather than congratulating him/her.
I think the fact that I suggested you not rely on your TF education implied my recognition that it was limited or non-existent. I thought of remarking at the oxy-moron, but I think things that go without saying, should.
If you think I'm a dick, you should ignore me. Snapping back only reveals that it bothers you.
Cheers. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Captain America
Friday, July 21, 2006, 18:52
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Well, you're both wrong. The stock market didn't crash in one day, according to Wikipedia.
The Wall Street Crash of 1929 , also called the Great Crash or the Crash of '29 , was the stock-market crash that occurred in late October, 1929. It started on October 24 ("Black Thursday") and continued through October 29, 1929 ("Black Tuesday"), when share prices on the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) collapsed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929
In any case, you should have studied harder, rather than relying on your TF education. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | from Rain Child
Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 13:01
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Yesterday when a work colleague said she's been abnormally tired, I almost said, "maybe you're pregnant." But I stopped and realised that was something you'd only hear in The Family.
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| From solemn
Wednesday, July 19, 2006, 14:34
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I'm not sure about that one, I think it's pretty common. However, if you overheard this;
(Girl 1) "PTL, I'm pregnant! more soldiers for the lord's endtime army!
(Girl 2) "Whose is it, I mean besides Jesus'?"
(Girl 1) "Um, I dunno really, but I think it's John's."
(Girl 2) "Oh, John B?"
(Girl 1) "No, we shared twice last week but before that it had been like a month."
(Girl 2) "John T?"
(Girl 1) "No, he is still waiting for the lord to heal his penis infection and I just dont think I have the faith for that LFM."
(Girl 2) "Oh? I shared with him twice last night and he didn't mention that, oh well all things are clean which god hath cleansed. Amen! (Lays hands on her vagina) Did you mean John M?"
(Girl 1) "Yes! Im hoping it's his but........"
(Girl 2) "Oh wouldn't that be wonderful, he's so in the spirit. Have you seen his stats?"
(Girl 1) "I know, I would be so blessed TYJ. But it also might be Micah's."
(Girl 2) "Micah?"
(Girl 1) "Yes, four weeks ago.... Oh, but that was the night before I shared with Jonas and Timothy so I guess I cant rule them out either."
(Girl 2) "GBY, you are so full of jesus love."
(Girl 1) "GBY too sweetie! Well I have to go, I am scheduled to share with my mate in 20 minutes."
Now, if you overheard this, you might be in, or around, The Family.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Rain Child
Thursday, July 20, 2006, 02:57
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Ooh, uh huh, I agree, that would be absolutely Family. :-) But what I was saying is that automatic way of thinking that when a girl is feeling under the weather she's probably pregnant comes from growing up in a world where that is exactly the case. I probably would have scared the shit out of my responsible, safe-sex-and-contraception practicing friend if I had suggested such a thing. (thanks for the belly laugh)(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | from Nick
Monday, July 17, 2006 - 07:22
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Did any of you guys here about some new prophesy that the family got lately?
Apparently something "huge" is supposed to happen in August. They have no idea what it will be or when it will be but they are all being told to be prepared for something earth shattering.
My guess is that they will take whatever major problem that is happening in the world at that time and say "I told you so" and off course all the brainless little followers will blindly agree that this was some divine prophesy that has been fulfilled.
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| From EyesWideShut
Monday, July 24, 2006, 18:43
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HAHAHAHAHAHA! NOTHING WILL HAPPEN!
Remember when nothing happened before? Well, that very same nothing is going to happen again. Can you imagine the same thing happening twice? Actually, nothing happened a few times before that as well, so nothing happens all the time, really. Nothing is a pretty regular occurance, so the idea that nothing might happen again in August is definitely plausable. Let me know when nothing happens so I can do nothing to celebrate it. After all, nothing doesn't happen every day--only when you predict something do you get nothing.
Not long ago, I was told nothing was going to happen on a certain day. So I immediately sold nothing, and climbed up on my roof wearing nothing, and sure enough, nothing DID happen! Right when they said it would. TYJ for your wonderful word. When it comes to you, Jesus, I can always count on NOTHING!(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Aita
Thursday, July 20, 2006, 12:17
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I just visited a Fam home a couple of days ago to say goodbye to a friend who is leaving for another country. When I got there I saw a number of boxes piled in the living room floor full of canned goods (damaged) and other jar/can types. I asked my friend what was going on and she said that due to a prophecy they were storing as much "provisioned" goods as they could to prepare. She said that there were no details in the prophecy but it did say that it might be something worldwide and that "the streets won't be safe".
Whatever...... I agree with you, Nick, they'll take whatever happens and say that was it. Or else they'll come out with another prophecy saying that God decided to spare the world a little longer for witnessing, blah, blah..... (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Wednesday, July 19, 2006, 06:33
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Could it possibly have something to do with what's going on in Israel?
There was a caller on talk radio last night (Michael Savage if I remember correctly) saying that Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization. The jerk even had my name (Sam)! The host put him in his place. It went something like "Aren't you an Arab?"
"Yes, I'm an Arab"
"Then why don't you listen to what your leaders are saying? Saudi Arabia, Morrocco, Qatar...(22 Arab countries in all) have all voted to condemn Hezbollah."
Then the caller went on to say the media was making this stuff up because it's controlled by the Jews. Here we go again, some people refuse to listen to reason.
I wonder if this guy will be quoted in the next GN.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From figaro
Friday, April 20, 2007, 22:00
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Charlie Rose is a good talk show to watch also, he is very liberal democrat, but also very fair in his guests and interviews. he has some big people on his show a lot too. the president of France was just on a couple weeks ago. i know someone from the bush administration was on tonight but i didnt watch it. iv been too busy lately to watch and i know im missing good stuff.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From smashingrrl
Monday, July 24, 2006, 19:10
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There are certain epithets that simply shouldn't be used by someone other than a person described by that epithet or a VERY close friend of that person.
Let's put it this way. If you're black, you're perfectly justified in refering to yourself or your friends as "nigger".
If you're a Mexican, you get to call your friends "Wetback".
If you're gay, you can call yourself or your gay friends "homo", "faggot", "dyke", "queen", or any of the other names you can think of.
The problem occurs when someone who cannot be described by said epithet uses said epithet. We understand where our friends are coming from. We know what it feels like to have beer bottles thrown at our heads. We know what if feels like to be in fear for our lives in the wrong company. We know what it feels like to lose our jobs if we are even able to get them for some part of us inherent in our beings. We know what it feels like to be hated, beaten, spat upon, and fucked with by stupid fucking comments on our fucking gender. LOOK see the boobies? Understand yet?
Having said that, I'm pretty fucking sure that if you call me that or anything else one more time, I'll be using your skull as a toilet, you ignorant prick.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From smashingrrl
Monday, July 24, 2006, 22:52
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No response huh? I'll give you credit, at least you know when you've been beaten. Have a nice life. Maybe if you never leave your house and never turn on the TV and you should probably skip reading and listening to the radio; you can live your life without ever having to deal with someone who's different than you. In the mean time just know this; "Character is defined by how one behaves toward those society sees as weaker. Though they are not truly weaker; perception becomes reality and makes them an easy target for those who can not help but hate."- Maya Angelou(reply to this comment) |
| | From WTF Lauren?
Monday, July 24, 2006, 23:52
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*offers Lauren cartoonishly oversized "chill pill"
Could you seriously take a deep breath? Your mouth is getting foam everywhere. I'm so glad you rooted out the evil bigot, but could you take the battle somewhere were you might actually make a difference? Demonstrating how offended you are only empowers him, his whole motivation was to start your motor, and you walked right into it. Did you intimidate him with you righteous indignation and your obscene threats? No, you amused him at best. Why don't you spend your time writing angry letters to Savage?
We all know that minorities are allowed to call each other things that the majority is not. It was in the last issue of "Yesterdays News".
Also, WTF is wrong with you? Do you know how ridiculous a straight person would sound if he talked about his orientation like you do? "Hi everyone, I'm Bob and I'm STRAIGHT, hey that reminds me of something my GIRLFRIEND said the other day, yeah that's right my GIRLFRIEND which I have because I'm STRAIGHT, and I love having HETERO-SEXUAL INTERCOURSE with HER."
You know what people would think? They would probably think he was either 1. Gay 2. Completely nuts 3. On some kind of ridiculous narcisistic high. So what is it? What compeled you to launch this epic ad campaign?
Equality is a world where it doesn't need to specified, I know that world doesn't really exist yet, but it never will if you keep behaving like you are. If you treat it as something special and wierd, everyone will always treat it as something special and wierd. Did you ever consider that if you behaved like a normal person, that idiots like EWS wouldn't have shit to say?
Oh, one last thing. I don't know who told you the internet was a safe place, but they also told me to tell you to send me you full name, Social, and whatever credit card numbers you have, for uh... safe keeping. (reply to this comment) |
| | From samiwas
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 06:14
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Dude, seriusly, you don't know what your talking about. The woman mentioning her relationship or anything else isn't like she's throwing it in anyone's face. Every day is straight white peoples day. So she brings it up. You want her to hide it? Stay in the closet? Isn't that sort of like everyone wanted my kind to stay on the other side of the tracks? Don't be too black man, you don't want to stick out. What you guys will never understand is that when you spend your whole life being treated like your shit for something, your going to be lashing out when you see it happening again. I would be doing the same thing man.(reply to this comment) |
| | From vixen
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 02:56
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I was going to lecture you on something in your comment that I found incredibly offensive, but then I realised that in the grand scheme of things all my ranting would be worth nothing more than this:
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
so I decided I'd just say that instead.
Cheers.
P.S. I think what she meant by a 'safe place' was that she should be able to expect, as a fellow child victim of our unfortunate background, a certain amount of RESPECT, acceptance and general all-round decency on *this site*.
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| | From vixen
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 06:36
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Added later: Now that 'samiwas' has added a comment in here (with which I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree, btw!) I want to make it clear that my comment above was not directed at him but rather 'WTF Lauren'.
And, now that I'm feeling less defeatist and the old urge to speak my mind is becoming too powerful to fight, I am going to say one thing:
HOW THE FUCK do you arrive at the view that the onus is on the perceived 'deviant' (for want of a better term right now - have not had much sleep the past few nights) to modify his/her behaviour in order to qualify for a label of 'normality' that is wholly a fucking social construct in the first place, just so that narrowminded, bigoted idiots might deign to afford him/her a well-earned chance at acceptance and equality?!? FUCK THAT!
Yes, I'm aware that that's a very poorly constructed sentence, but well, I don't really care.
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| | From P.S.
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 08:00
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Sigh I don't ever fucking leave things alone, do I?!
I just wanted to say, on balance, that there is some merit to what you said, WTF, and I do understand where you are coming from. My beef was not so much with your main point (which it seems s'grl herself agrees with to an extent, referencing her blog on myspace) but with the specific behaviours you chose to address, which didn't seem particularly 'abnormal' to me.
Time for yoga and meditation, I think. Yay for chilling out ;-)
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| | | | | From Person that posted the WTF comments
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 12:17
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Let me begin by saying that I was planning on leaving this alone, since I posted those comments while in a foul hostile mood, one that I can't maintain in my usual calm passive state. But with S'girls reply, and the fact that some very good rebutts were made, as well as gross misunderstandings, I feel I must clarify my stance.
Vixen, I'm not sure which of your moods I'm to respond to. Either I need to take some serious english lessons, or people need to slow down and really read what I'm saying. It seems that once someone has taken a hostile stance, little they say gets through. (Probably an argument for not taking hostile stances.)
Let me clarify; I never suggested that S'girl adapt a norm that considers her lifestyle deviant. I believe that she perpetuates said lifestyle by making such a parade of something that, in an ideal society, would be considered normal. I suggested that she change the norm, by treating her lifestyle as nothing deviant, and by doing so change the norm, to one that accepts her, and doesn't demmand her constant defensiveness.
You know why I like hanging out with Gays? Because they don't care that I'm straight, and I don't care that they're gay. We're just people, who fuck whatever we wish. If it was a constant issue, as it is with S'girl, I would not enjoy their company.
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| | From samiwas
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 12:54
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I think it goes without saying that she woudn't enjoy your companey either. So basically, let me get this straight, it's okay for her to be gay as long as she doesn't mention it? Dude, that's fucked up. I went back and read all her posts that I could find. I don't see where your getting off saying that she brought it up every chance she got. She mentioned a girlfriend. She didn't go"Hey I got a girlfriend that means i'm a lesbian cause I'm a chic dating a chic so we're gay". It was mentioned as an aside. Hey here's a thought, and Smash if your still reading feel free to correct me if i'm off, were all in here to deal with shit. maybe thats the damn reason she was in here? I got a shit load of issues being black and grown up in the COG, it was another thing Berg was always a fuckwad about. So sometimes I don't get what's going on in my head and I come in here to clear it. Was she suppoed to say "roommate", "significant other", or something like that? And yeah there are people who get off on fights and being persecuted, so to speak. Guess what dude, she didn't pick this fight. It came to her. Who the fuck made you the person who decides how many gay references a persons allowed? If i'm only alloted a certain number of black references let me know man, I'd hate to make you feel like i was parading my blackness. at least she wasn't a chicken shit like you only comenting annonymously.(reply to this comment) |
| | From vixen
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 12:38
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I know what you're saying, dear. I'm sorry if my comments have hurt your feelings as I really don't think you intended to be offensive, and I didn't mean to come down strong on you personally. Like I said, I can see where you are coming from to an extent, although my convictions prevent me from agreeing with you. I really wasn't ranting at you so much as at the underlying connotations of what you are saying. I am quite satisfied that the way you meant it was not overtly hostile and more importantly not discriminatory. I just have a BIG problem with the notion that ignorant, bigoted fools should be allowed to dictate how one goes about one's life. However reasonable your argument sounds, it still promotes a conditional acceptance - in other words, purported equality but with certain very clear strings attached, and that's what's repugnant to me.
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| | From That guy again
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 16:44
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How on earth could I have hurt feelings after casually bashing several people for my various annoyances with them?
That's what it is, an annoyance. She said such-and-such, I read it as such-and such, and I said such and such. I hate the idea that she's off limits because she's gay, anybody can make bold remarks, as long as the minorities are off limits. That's bullshit. I disliked her and disagreed with her, this has nothing to do with her orientation. The fact that this is what it came across as, completely proves my point.
I'm retiring this position. I never thought it would become this big of a deal. Feel free to take the last word, I'm done.
FTR, I've no tolerance for any form of bigotry and maintain that what I said wasn't bigotry. (reply to this comment) |
| | From vixen
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 16:55
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I know it wasn't bigotry, dear. That was never my point. And I guess I should be glad that your feelings aren't hurt - I was projecting a little too much of myself onto you, I suppose, seeing as i would probably find it hard if a friend were to take such obvious exception to my views.
As far as your comments in the second paragraph, well, I'm not going to argue my point of view anymore. It's not worth it and you are entitled to your perspective. Let's just agree to disagree, eh?
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| | | | | | | | From vixen
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 06:51
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Heh. Of course you're right to an extent, although if I really cared I would have taken two minutes to change it, don't you think? So I think it's more accurate to say that while I might not have cared enough about my poor grammatical structure to change it, I obviously cared enough about people's opinions of me to preemptively address this issue.
Got time to chat?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From smashingrrl
Monday, July 24, 2006, 22:21
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This isn't a case of whether or not I have a sense of humor. I do but that doesn't pertain to this argument. What you need and don't seem to understand is that you have no standing in this game. Tell black jokes much? No, you wouldn't dare. I don't know, hell, maybe you would. But why do you feel it's acceptable for you to fling an epithet at me and then claim to only be kidding. There's a sense of humer, and then there's reaching for the low-blow to get a laugh. Do you really not get it? There's a difference between ignorant and stupid as fuck. The ignorant can be taught. Those that are left, the group to which I'm starting to believe you belong, are simply wasting oxygen. If you choose to not learn, the world would be better off if your mother had simply swallowed. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From smashingrrl
Monday, July 24, 2006, 22:00
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One more thing. There's no such thing as "almost gay". You either are or you aren't. If you're willing to put the genital organs of an individual of the same sex in your mouth and not only do it but enjoy it, you're gay. If your objects of desire are of the opposite sex, you're straight. It's that simple. Quasi bisexual college chics don't count. Making out to get frat boys' attention is another story all-together. Sorry to be so graphic but I'm seriously tired of people treating this as though there's some sort of amibiguity or choice in the matter. Think it's a choice? Go to a sports bar. Pick the any random jersey-wearing, beer-chugging, pamela-anderson lusting guy in there and ask him to put his buddy's dick in his mouth. Then come back and tell me whether or not you think there's such a thing as "practically gay".(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From WTF EWS?
Monday, July 24, 2006, 23:35
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What happened to showing off your intelligence? WTF was the point of this? A joke? What's the joke? Maybe I'm just stupid. Are you just trying to jump on the Savage bandwagon? Or did you just get sick and tired of her shamelessly promoting her sexual orientation, like it's some kind of big deal? Well guess what, now it is, because you gave her the persecution she was so desperately witch-hunting for. Thank you so much, now we all have to listen to her lesbian rant for dog knows how long.
WTF EWS? If you are in fact intelligent, you have a lousy way of showing it off. Also, spare us the humor defense, that's not a magic eraser.(reply to this comment) |
| | From samiwas
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 07:59
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Is she supposed to be ashamed of her orientation? I didn't see her promoting it. "hey everyone, try being a lesbian, it's so much fun". That's promoting it. What I see is someone being themself, hanging out in here, trying to make friends (and woman, you've now got one for life, smash). Dude think about it. If I moseyed in here and talked about myself and suddenly got attacked by some jerk I'd go on a much worse rant. I can't imagine how she feels right now. I liked hanging on this site for the same reasons I think she did. When she said safe place, that's how I used to feel about this. Here's a group of people that I don't gotta explain myself to. they know where I'm coming from. Theyve been there. That's how I felt when I found this sight. I doubt Smash felt any diferent. I would have f-ing lost it if suddenly I was attacked in some place where i'd had the balls to be so honest. Now I guess weve been warned. Don't be too real, you never know who'll come out of the woodwork and try to hurt you for shits and giggles. The really sad thing is that Vixen and I and MrT (dude, you're killer) seem to be the only ones bothered by that shit. Lots of respect to those two but where are the rest of you people?
She was looking for persecution? WTF !!!!????!!! Lokk man, I'm glad you're at least trying to shut down Eyes, but I don't knwo where you get off saying the chic was looking to be persecuted. No one looks to be persecuted. That's just insane. If I talked about my wife, it would be all good. She talks about it cause its who she is man. Im sure she learned her lesson though. I learned mine.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Guy that posted the WTF comments
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 12:34
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No, she is not supposed to be ashamed of her orientation. If I thought she should I have said "shameless orientation" or "shameless lifestyle". What I thought was shameless, was her promotion of it. Read back a bit, finding every excuse to bring it up, even when completely off subject, I see as promoting it.
It would be nice if this was a safe place, but it isn't. If one is so easily offended, one should find a true safe place, or grow thicker skin. I'm not justifying what EWS said, I'm just stating the way things are.
I must say, overall you seem like a very intelligent person. One thing you said is completely untrue, and you either didn't think before you said it, or you are truly naive; "No one looks to be persecuted." ?????? Are you serious? Were you IN the family? It's a phenomenon called counterdependency, a need to feel opposed, or to be against something. TF was such, they needed to believe that they are hated for doing the true work of God. A great example of this is on The Simpsons when Lisa tries to stir things up by joining the Pee Wee football team. When Flanders gladly welcomes her to the team, pointing out that they already have several female members, Lisa loses interest, and shifts to protesting something else.
I often wish I was a member of some minority, so that I might have something to have a chip on my shoulder about, and by all means, S'girl has every right to have a chip on her shoulder, as I'm sure she's been the victim of prejudice more than a few times, but to those of us whove already accepted gays, it's just obnoxious.
My entire point could have been made as such, "Alright, we get it. You're gay. Here's your cookie." But as it turns out, I was feeling passionate and long winded. (reply to this comment) |
| | From In agreement
Wednesday, July 26, 2006, 03:24
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I have to say I think you're totally right. Being someone who completely accepts gays and doesn't see them as "weird" or "abnormal", when some of them go on and on and on and zzzzzzzzzzzzz about how they are gay like they are trying to prove some point it does my head in. "Alright, we get it. You're gay. Here's your cookie", does pretty much sum it up. (Same thing goes for minority groups etc.) I really do feel sometimes like telling them to fight battles that they haven't already won and get over themselves.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From EyesWideShut
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 06:34
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I'm not the intelligence channel: all smart all the time.
Obviously, accidentally posting my initial comment three times, when it was only minimally humorous to begin with--and that, it seems, only to me--was not smart. I have nothing against gay people or I would have said so. The only thing I sad, the one thing that started all this nonsense, was what she said about her/himself first.
And I happen to strongly disagree that only people of that race or community can call themselves certain things while the rest of us can't. That's bullshit.
The idea that I don't know what I'm talking about or that I'm not enough a part of the gay community to use those terms or talk about this subject is pure conjecture on your parts. You may know who I am from my screen name. You may know who I am in real life. But you don't know who I really ever was, or who I've become since leaving the cult. No matter what you think you know, the truth could be something else entirely.
I was not trying to piss her/him off. But I do like a good experiment! Whatever I mixed here is resulting in a lot of noxious gas.(reply to this comment) |
| | From smashingrrl
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 11:11
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So yesterday, I had a pretty shitty day. Got home, came in here, was goofing off with solemn and then Yippee, got messed with by someone I don't even know. So I got pissed. Very Pissed. I fought back as I tend to do. There are some things I probably shouldn't have said. I'm sure I went too far. I'll gladly admit that and apologize for doing so.
I just spend the past few minutes reading through everything that's been posted since. To sum it up: it seems I have no sense of humor. I'm constantly shoving my perverted, sick lifestyle on others. I've overly defensive (that last one may be true).
I won't bother addressing the first one, it's not worth it. I'm not sure where i've been "shamelessly promoting my orientation". Does it offend you that I would dare speak honestly of myself? The word "shameless" implies that I should be ashamed. Should I? Should I go back to hating myself and hiding? If you believe in the divine then you must also believe that I was created by a divine being. Not just parts of me. All of me. If you don't believe in the divine, as I don't, then it's nature or nurture but it doesn't matter. It simply is. Does refering to a girlfriend offend you? If you were to refer to a partner would I then be justified in saying that you were shamelessly promoting your straight lifestyle? I don't believe I have EVER until last night posted anything refering to gay sex with anyone. Would you rather I had? Yet you write that I must conform to be equal. Conform to what exactly? What's normal? I conform to my moral code: Try not to hurt people. Try to help those in need. Treat others as I wish to be treated. That's it. What would you have me change? If I did offend anyone by being too out, I cannot apologize for that. I cannot and will not hide who I am.
I was told of this site and at first was leary of posting anything at all personal. "samiwas", is right though. I soon found it incredibly comforting to know that so many others were going through the same things I was. It felt good to be able to talk to people to whom I didn't have to explain my past. It was understood. We were all there. We were all affected. I tried to make a few friends and, thankfully, I did. At this point, I have no desire to continue visiting this site. My presence is very obviously not appreciated. You can now all go back to your lives and pretend that I don't exist.
To Vixen, MrT, Samiwas, Christy and any others who tried to stick up for me, thank you. To those of you who sent me emails, thank you. I'm requesting that whoever moderates this site please remove everything I've posted and any comments I've made. I wouldn't want to leave anything that may make someone uncomfortable. I've changed the text of my last post "Sharing Night" to reflect my current mood. For the rest of you, goodbye. I'll stick to those places where I'm welcome. It's obviously not here. (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 19:22
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Smash, I never said you were not welcome here. I never said anything about you being gay, and I really don't have any problem with it. (I hope you realize that when I made that crack about Clinton, by the way, I didn't realize you were gay.)
As far as anyone else, it really shouldn't matter what they think about you being here. You have every right to come on this site and talk about topics of your choice. I'm sorry if anything I said that offended you.
I'm hoping you'll reconsider. Good night,
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| | From smashingrrl
Friday, July 28, 2006, 11:24
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Samuel, none of that had anything to do with you. I'm not sure why the Lewinsky comment has anything to do with my being gay, but okay. Anyway, just wanted you to know, I have no issues with you. I argue with you because it's fun and I think you're following the wrong leader. It has nothing to do with anything else. It's not at all personal. I kinda like you. All that shit above was directed at others.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Guy that posted the WTF comments
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 13:03
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While I did say that were "constantly shoving" it, I never once suggested that it was sick or perverted. Gay sex is as natural as photosynthesis. Anyone who doesn't think so is ignorant, typically because they're mind is imprisoned by religion.
Of course it does not offend me that you dare speak honest of yourself. It does however become annoying when you go on about one aspect of yourself. I shouldn't have use the word shameless, I used it correctly, and harmlessly, as I explained to samiwas, but it's just a hotbutton. Of course you shouldn't hide or hate yourself.
This comment completely validates my point. "Does refering to a girlfriend offend you?" Did I fucking say it did? No, I didn't. You jump to the conclusion that I'm a bigot just because I made a comment against you. That's a persecution complex.
My suggestion to you was not conform, but rather that your current behaviour is conformity, and that treating your orientation.... I'm beggining to repeat myself.
I apologize for the hostility with I expressed my opinions, but I refuse to take responsiblity for your decision to leave. I never suggested you should be censored or that you were not welcome here. In any case, who the fuck am I? Why would you allow my pissy little attitude to reflect the general consensus of this site? Especially considering that way more people criticized me then agreed with me.
This is the internet, there are few to no controls. If you can't deal with that then you truly don't belong here. (reply to this comment) |
| | From samiwas
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 13:22
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Alright man, you don't get it. I'll break it down for you real slow.
We can't act like were the same because we're not. There's a black culture. Not everyone is into it, hell, some suburban white boys are into it. Black culture. A few examples: Music. Art. Litereture. The way we sometimes talk. Slang. Clothes. etc.
There's a gay culture. Cher (sorry had to). Drag queens. Art. Music. Clothes again. Slang, again. Style. How many straight white dudes you know who can dance like a gay dude?
It's different. You act like we should all act the same to get equality. We can't dude. We aren't the same. It's deeper than skin color or who a gay person sleeps with. Lesbians aren't just women attracted to other women. Theres a whole culture there. Blacks aren't just people with more pigment. There's a culture there.
Are you starting to come along?
You're asking her to treat it like she's no different. She is man. She's very different. How many chics you know with a buzz cut? It's a completely different world. So when she mentions it OF COURSE she's gonna treat it as something different because it fucking IS.
I keep trying to get the same point accross to you. You ain't listening. Go back and read how many times other people have talked about their significant other. The thing is, you don't notice when other people do it. You notice when she did. Your the problem man, not her.
You talk about a chip on someone's shoulder. Dude, you ever get excorsised for something that you cannot fucking change? She did. Damn her for erasing that post cause you should go back and read it. You ever get told your shit for not something you did but for who you are? I know what she means by having beer cans tossed at my head. It fucking hurts man. you walk into a room and everyone stops talking and looks at you. Me and her, we're very diffrent but i know where she's comming from. Think about it for a second.
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| | | | | From vixen
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 12:11
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I agree with the above. I think it would be a shame to lose your participation here. I've found your articles and comments interesting and insightful (and, where applicable, funny as fuck) and your views and opinions are just as valid as anyone else's, not to mention more so than some. Like solemn said, you're better than those who singled you out. Stick around eh!
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| | | | | From samiwas
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 06:49
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I heard a joke once : what's harder, being gay or being black. answer: being gay, you don't have to tell you parents you're black. You claim that you didn't mean anything but then keep referring to the chic as "it" "her/him" That's the whole point. If you don't know, ask. Or, since you claim to be so damn intelligent: Check the name "smashingirl", check the profile, it clearly has a female symbol.
You're right. We didn't know who you are. But now I do. I've met you a hundred times dude. You're the one who thinks you "in" enough to tell me black jokes. You're the one who smiles to my face and then asks why I have to talk black. You're the one who thinks it's perfectly fine to pick on the nerd, short dude, fat dude, black dude, gay dude, or anyone else.
May not have known before. But thanks for clearing it up.(reply to this comment) |
| | From vixen
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 06:49
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I don't agree with you that it was humourous, EWS. I think it came across as deliberately intending to offend, and I think your lame attempt at a disclaimer at the end made it worse because it showed that you were aware that you might be hitting a sensitive spot. Now, whether you intended offense or not is really beside the point, because the fact is that offense was taken and then when you could have just backed down and apologised (which I think you would have, had you truly been only innocently kidding), you instead decided to carry it further by speaking in an inflammatory way about s'grl's reaction.
Posting thinly veiled digs about a person's sexuality (particularly on this forum where an individual's sexuality might well be a deeply conflicted are entagled with all sorts of other issues) and then trying to get off the hook by claiming it was all in good fun is a rotten way to behave IMO, but then I am a bit of a prissy so-and-so from time to time.
I'm almost sorry for lecturing, but since it's obviously who I am, I really can't apologise for it. Cheers and no hard feelings, just be sure to take your correction with a cheerful heart, amen?
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| | From Samuel
Friday, July 21, 2006, 19:18
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My goodness he's FAMOUS for it? I've listened to him the past couple years on the short car ride home but I've never heard him say that once. One would think anyone who would say something like that to a gay caller would, or at least should, be kicked off the air.
I don't recall Michael Savage supporting to the death penalty either, except maybe in a few extreme cases like Zacarias Moussai's. Sorry, but the man is not worth running a search engine to check the correct spelling of his name. And I can assure you, he does NOT support the death penalty for pre-marital sex.
However, if you're looking for someone who does, you can look no further than the Taliban which was recently kicked out of Afghanistan. To be honest, I'm quite impressed with how well the Afghani's are doing now that our troops are mostly out. I know they have other soldiers there now, but still that's a transition. I read the paper regularly and have never read of the American Taliban. Are you sure Savage is a member? Maybe you can check www.AmericanTaliban.com
If I want to hear people complain, I turn on C-Span.
"The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance"(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | From steam
Thursday, July 20, 2006, 07:15
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I agree that Hezbollah are not "nice guys". I am glad many Arab nations condemned them. However condemning an organisation is not the same thing as calling them terrorist, and that sort of twisting of the situation is common for right wing radio hosts for whom accuracy is not as important as making their point. Did Michael Savage say listen to these nations as they condemn Isreal? Or is he selective saying listen to them when what they say is what I think and ignore them the rest of the time? Of course it sounds to me like the caller was a warped individual as well. As far as a definition of terrorist, I think responding to the kidnapping of two soldiers by wholesale bombing of an entire country especially targeting infrastructure and many civilian locations, killing hundreds (possibly thousands) of civilians, and destroying a national economy to the tune of billions, might fit the definition better than the origional kidnapping of military personel. What do you think? I do not condone any of the acts that continue to perpetrate the cycle of violence by the way, I just think that there are situations in which one side can be seen to have "more blame" than the other even when both are acting badly.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Thursday, July 20, 2006, 18:56
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Hypothetically speaking:
Let's say Hezbollah makes a habit of hiding their leaders/soldiers/ weaponry/ Syrian and Iranian rockets in a civilian home or mosque.
Israel has a right to make every attempt to destroy that matter. Yes, even if they are hezbollah soldiers. There is no nation called Hezbollah. They have no seat at the UN, do not issue passports, have no embassy or currency, and do not follow the laws of war.
Common sense should tell you that if you hide these things in a mosque or civilian home, you run the risk of that place being drstroyed. The problem is, Hezbollah really doesn't give a rat's behind. They just want to make the Israelis look bad. If Hezbollah were a real country, I would recommend Israel file complaints against them because of their disregard of the laws of war.
Let's put this in a real world situation: If I hide drugs or illegal weapons in a car, I run the risk that the police might find them and the car will be impounded. The fact that the car was impounded is therefore my fault. The police are not the bad guys, I am the bad guy. The Israelis are not the bad guys in this picture, they are legitimate soldiers fighting a war on behalf of a real nation called Israel. They are doing the job of the Lebanese government (arresting and/or killing all members of the criminal group Hezbollah).
The blame lies at the feet of Hezbollah. And I am hoping that the leaders will soon meet their maker and have to answer some tough questions. Come to think of it, I'm hoping the same for Zerby and Kelly.
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| | | | | | | | From Korpesco
Thursday, July 20, 2006, 11:24
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Israel is perfectly justified in my opinion. Hezbollah was told to disarm by the UN. The Lebanese government was not powerful enough to enforce this, and instead, month after month Israel had to watch as Hezbollah aquired a larger and larger weapon arsenal from Iran and Syria. Israel has little choice, it is surrounded by states under the control of terrorists who prosecute proxy wars for Iran and Syria and who do not hesitate to use civilians as human shields in order to gain support. As much as the civilian suffering is reprehensible i think in the long run it could aid Lebanon. Lebanon was too weak to destroy the power of Hezbollah without risking another civil war..the action Israel is taking, if successful may finally result in a Lebanon free from the clutches of Syria and Hezbollah.
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| | From steam
Thursday, July 20, 2006, 12:49
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I submitted an article to discuss this subject, but one short note. You seem to say because a group flouts the UN it justifies invasion and wholesale civilian slaughter in a country. Look up how many resolutions Isreal is currently in defiance of. Please also don't get to excited about how all this violence might result in a flowering of freedom and joy. Recent experiences in the Mideast area make that kind of thinking seem pretty naive. As far as larger arsenals they were building I am sure you are right, but next to the one they were up against it seems like someone with a gunstore pre-emptively attacking the kids on the block with homemade bows-arrows and slingshots.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Korpesco
Saturday, July 22, 2006, 01:29
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You are talking about Hezbollah as if it were a legitimate nation state.
Hezbollah and Syria are a life sapping virus that innocent Lebanese have suffered with for too long. I do not sympathise for a group that uses innocent humans as shields. There is no real excuse. Hezbollah started this and can end it by giving back the two prisoners they illegitimately stole from a sovereign territory and moving away from the boarder and letting the Lebanese government put troops in-between.
Your "gunstore" comparison misses the point because Israel is a nation state and Hezbollah is a terrorist organisation. Israel is not fighting Lebanon nor the Lebanese army.
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| | From Morph
Saturday, July 22, 2006, 03:23
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The fact that Hezbollah are based in Lebanon does not give the Israelis carte blanche to destroy the whole infrastructure of an Independent country. Using ‘Shock and Awe’ style tactics against a whole country, which has a democratically elected government as well. Think if the British had bombed Dublin when the IRA were killing British soldiers? Or perhaps struck Boston with air strikes, because it was a haven for the IRA and had many supporters there? Or if the Spanish had bombed out Basque cities due to ETA's terrorist campaigns? I think you would agree that this would have been unacceptable.
I think Israel has a right to defend itself, but at the same time it is not a special case that has the right to destroy whole areas just because it feels some terrorists could be hiding there. It must work more with the legitimate Lebanese government to try and destroy the people responsible for the kidnap of there soldiers. Otherwise all they will accomplish is more hate for them in the mideast.
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Monday, July 17, 2006 - 04:48
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Ex-member friends tend to stop me in my tracks by sporadically (as a joke, of course) saying things like:
"Is this movie on the list?"
"Did we pray for the ride?"
"Who wants to pray for the movie?" (watching "Hostel")
"Did you do your JJT yet?"
Another fun one is to rebuke any flies you see "in Geezus name, Amen"!
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