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from Friday, September 01, 2006 - 19:29 (Agree/Disagree?) I never met Angelo and Sara but my sister lived with them in the Rome Combo. She told me that Angelo was always nice but Sara left our 6 month old sister with black and blue bruises on her face, legs and bottomn.....her crime?...she was screaming for Mommy...SIX MONTHS OLD!!!!! What did Mommy say, the lord will take care of it.. (reply to this comment)

From Capuccino Sunday, September 03, 2006, 05:59 (Agree/Disagree?) I lived with them in India and Sara was a real freak. She would have us scrub the house top to bottom for like 3 days, she would suddenly go crazy about cleanliness. They would have us kids put hydrocloric acid on the bathroom tiles and clean the grout in between with a toothbrush, my knees would be raw from the acid eating into my skin. Then she would go for about 3 weeks and not bother to do any housework except for the bare minimum sweeping and mopping the floor, and a maid would come and wash our laundry. Our clothes would be full of holes because the maid would beat the crap out of them against a rock. (reply to this comment)

from NVC Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 19:13 (Agree/Disagree?) Check this link for more info about the arrests in Rome in 1979. http://www.thefamily.org/dossier/books/book1/chapter7.htm I am not fond of Introvigne and their site at all, but quite a few of the historical details concerning the arrests are correct from what I know. If I well recall Angelo was in jail in Greece because Italy asked for extradition. He wrote his personal account of the story and it was published in TF as a testimony. I am not sure xfamily has that material on their site. (reply to this comment)

from Let's sing.. Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 13:50 (Agree/Disagree?) (Simon Peter) And here's Angelo and Sarah with "Navigaro, The sailor...." Navirgaro que.. Umm.. la la la Shit, I don't know Itailian! (reply to this comment)

From saviour onassis Thursday, August 31, 2006, 19:37 (Agree/Disagree?) you can't even spell Italian. :) (reply to this comment)

From vixen Thursday, August 31, 2006, 16:20 (Agree/Disagree?) Oi! What do you think you're doing posting this comment here?!? I think you planned it specifically so that it would appear at the top of the thread and less discerning readers might therefore assume that you started singing first, when in actual fact *I* am the one who is leading inspiration today! I hereby draw due notice to the fact that the Spirit moved me first (PTL, I am soooo in the spirit)! (reply to this comment)

From Let's sing Thursday, August 31, 2006, 16:26 (Agree/Disagree?) Well I was the official M.O. singer of ye olde songs long before you posted that lil thingy.(reply to this comment)

From vixen Thursday, August 31, 2006, 16:33 (Agree/Disagree?) True, but you can't blame a girl for wanting in on the action from time to time, can you? (reply to this comment)

From Let's sing Thursday, August 31, 2006, 16:41 (Agree/Disagree?) No, can't balme a girl for wanting some action.(reply to this comment)

From vixen Thursday, August 31, 2006, 16:55 (Agree/Disagree?) You know that's not what I meant! (reply to this comment)

From Let's sing Thursday, August 31, 2006, 19:53 (Agree/Disagree?) But it was an interesting spin wasn't it?(reply to this comment)

from saviour onassis Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 08:01 (Agree/Disagree?) there were some pretty cool musicians in those days--real musicians. Anyone know how to contact any of those oldtimers?--Angelo, Fogarty. Spencer? They were nice to me and seemed pretty normal. (reply to this comment)

From ThinkTank Thursday, August 31, 2006, 10:59 (Agree/Disagree?) Some of those songs were pretty cool - we used to get in trouble for singing "Cool Breeze" because it had the word "cool" in it, I liked the Zack and Shelly music more than the other naff music. Angelo abused a friend of mine as soon as she turned 18 and I heard Solomon Touchstone was also an abuser.(reply to this comment)

From Albatross Friday, September 01, 2006, 07:57 (Agree/Disagree?) Two friends of mine told me that they lost their virginity to Zack of Shelly when they were @ 12 years old.(reply to this comment)

From afflick Friday, September 01, 2006, 16:55 (Agree/Disagree?) Some friends also told me about being molested by Zack. This was told to me while they were still enthusiastically in TFI, so I can't see why they would lie about that.(reply to this comment)

From ThinkTank Friday, September 01, 2006, 12:57 (Agree/Disagree?) Ugh!!! what a sicko! I had no idea(reply to this comment)

From vixen Thursday, August 31, 2006, 08:39 (Agree/Disagree?) Riiiight... 'Real musicians' or not, abuse is abuse and you might want to consider the possibility that while some of the above-mentioned persons might well have been reasonably nice to you, they could very well have been molesting your little girl peers, so I'd caution you to be careful in dismissing them so nonchalantly as 'seeming pretty normal'! For fuck's sake, do you think the average paedophile doesn't usually seem pretty normal? (reply to this comment)

From saviour onassis Thursday, August 31, 2006, 19:35 (Agree/Disagree?) dude, why the hostility--I was just making a comment about musicians. (reply to this comment)

From Hostility? Thursday, August 31, 2006, 22:19 (Agree/Disagree?) That was not hostility, that was friendly advice. Hostility is what I restrained myself from demostrating. Jeremy spencer was and is a pervert and an asshole, he abused me and many others. Vixen was trying to suggest that you didn't praise him. Sound advice I think. (reply to this comment)

From spencer Sunday, March 11, 2007, 00:51 (Agree/Disagree?) jeremy spencer's my dad and I have to agree with 'Hostility'(reply to this comment)

From saviour onassis Friday, September 01, 2006, 09:17 (Agree/Disagree?) the thread started off with someone asking about Angelo and Sara and stating that he was a funny Italian guy and his wife could play violin well. It looked like a possible fun thread---I just don't understand why we can't keep a conversation going for a change instead of always resorting to the pae word. Would be nice to find something in common with each other besides hatred of the cult. (reply to this comment)

From Albatross Friday, September 01, 2006, 11:46 (Agree/Disagree?) I'm sorry...so we should joke about what a funny guy a child abuser was? we do have a lot in common besides hatred of the cult. But when we are talking about cult child abusers, (funny and talented or not)it is only natural to expect that the subject of their crimes will come up. no?(reply to this comment)

From saviour onassis Friday, September 01, 2006, 20:02 (Agree/Disagree?) this is my whole point--we weren't talking about child abusers--we were talking about musicians and the fact that there were actually a few very talented cats around at the time-but it seems all roads lead to Rome. (pun intended.) I see your point though and that you are trying to be civil. I appreciate that. I would just like to see something being done about it instead of always harping on it. Reminds me of when I was a kid and everybody always talking about what's wrong. Talking does nothing unless it's in a meeting of like intellectuals forming a plan and strategy to some end. I am not patronizing here albatross--I know you of all people know that. (reply to this comment)

From ThinkTank Friday, September 01, 2006, 13:01 (Agree/Disagree?) There is no way we can have cutesy memories of a pervert who played the guitar and our private parts. If you want to talk about something neat, talk about how we have escaped, how much courage it took and how the human spirit wants to be free and it will find that way to be free one way or the other. "No damn prison cell or lies of the beast can stop liberty...lock me in chains 'cause I want to be free and I'm talking about it".(reply to this comment)

From saviour onassis Friday, September 01, 2006, 20:04 (Agree/Disagree?) point taken. Thanks for the explain.(reply to this comment)

From saviour onassis Friday, September 01, 2006, 09:09 (Agree/Disagree?) the thread started off with someone asking about Angelo and Sara and stating that he was a funny Italian guy and his wife could play violin well. It looked like a possible fun thread---I just don't understand why we can't keep a conversation going for a change instead of always resorting to the pae word. Would be nice to find something in common with each other besides hatred of the cult.(reply to this comment)

from vix is in the mood for love in a musical key Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 07:31 (Agree/Disagree?) Let's sing MWM songs, yay! Girl: Do you really love me brother, won't you tell me right now Boy: Yes, I love you sister, gonna shout it out loud CHORUS (Together): Singing it's so good that we live together, living and loving one another (Oh damn I've forgotten who sings what part... Ah well, we'll wing it): What would you do if I told you I loved you? Well it makes me feel happy inside I'm tired of feeling all alone in this world Come on let's take a heavenly ride We'll take a heavenly ride, Side by siiiii-i-i--iide (reply to this comment)

From Phoenixkidd Thursday, August 31, 2006, 10:51 (Agree/Disagree?) HA!!--Lets not forget, the South-East Asian Sensation from MWM. --"Cool Breeze" Topaz sings, "There's a cool breeze in the air--oh why should we be ashamed to love? Warm, Warm Fires are Here. And the Breeze kindles the Fire that we've known for years" Oh and those visuals, Complete with Dancing acts performed from all ages, and every wannabe stripper. (reply to this comment)

from Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 18:53 (Agree/Disagree?) On xfamily I could only find this: http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/1981 I think I read somewhere else that the warrant was outstanding from legal investigation of the Family in Italy, for charges of prostitution and maybe some trouble with "catacombers" (that's what they call(ed) underage disciples whose Family was not "sheepy" enough to let them, like, join the home or "drop out" or whatever). (reply to this comment)