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from openmind - Sunday, February 06, 2005
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firewalls anyone?

I'm not that computer savvy. Does anyone know of some good internet security programs that offer protection from hackers while you are online?

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from j.
Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 12:28

keep your windows OS updated and you will have little or no problems. IMHO
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From roughneck
Monday, February 07, 2005, 19:58

I dare thee, try to Windows Update a freshly installed copy of Windows XP (without SP2, ie the original CD that came with most computers sold in stores) over broadband in the time it takes for the box to be pwnZ0r3d. Not sure what the record is, but in my experience you have about 10-15 mins _tops_. :)

To prevent:
1)unplug the network cable if you're doing a fresh install of Windows.
2)*Burn Microsoft's "network installation" versions of your most recent Service Pack (and whatever other critical updates they offer at the same site) to CD, and install these *before* you plug the network cable back in
3)throw a copy of your favourite firewall (downpage I posted a link) on the same CD as your updates and perhaps a virus-scaninng program. Install these before plugging in your network cable as well.
(*Obviously, do this sometime *before* you reinstall Windows, or use a different machine if you've got it.)

Of course if you're technically inclined, you can create a fully updated WindowsXP CD with all the updates already installed using XPCreate. or you can "slipstream" them in yourself, but there are other, better how-tos on this.

My point is, patch before you plug. :)
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from moon beam
Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 07:32

Windows XP and Mac 0sX (operating system ) Have built in fire walls, otherwise Norton and McAfee are leading brand names to try.
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From Marc
Sunday, February 06, 2005, 11:38

Or, just convert to Linux :)(reply to this comment
From openmind
Sunday, February 06, 2005, 12:20

Is Linux really better than windows and how so? (reply to this comment
From Marc
Sunday, February 06, 2005, 13:12

I apologise in advance for this: If you have to ask that question, it tells me you won't understand the answer. However, I will offer you this: Who do you think writes all the viruses out there and is doing all the hacking? Linux users or Windows users?

Linux is free. So are the updates and support. Download a distribution (I recommend either SuSE or RedHat) and install it on your machine (as a dual-boot so you can keep your Windows). See for yourself. There are plenty of books and information on the Internet. Join the future!

Remember . . . it is free!(reply to this comment
From roughneck
Monday, February 07, 2005, 06:51

Dual-booting is such a 90s way to try Linux. :P The ones who don't wish to partition their drive (and maybe fuck it up), or buy a dedicated HD for Linux should try Knoppix, the no-commitment way to get a feel for Linux that runs from CD.

download the .iso from above link (or use bittorrent! ;) (at almost 700MB this is a large file! For those not on broadband this obviously isn't an option). Burn the .iso image to CD using your CD writing software's "burn CD image" feature. If you burn an .iso as a regular file, it will NOT work as intended. :) When you're done, reboot, set your BIOS to boot from CDrom (usually hit delete when you see the memory counting at boot time, and change the "boot order" to CDrom before Hard Drive). After the CD boots, there should be no further user input required (caveat: some onboard video cards may not be recognised properly) and the user gets a nice KDE desktop, with damn near everything a user would need, including Openoffice (office suite), Mplayer (video player) et cetera.

Of course, running from the CD is not as fast as running from a Hard Drive installation, but it's a good way to check it out. Oh, and using Knoppix does not touch files on your Hard Drive, so you don't have to be concerned about data loss.

Tips n' tricks (some at least) available upon request. :)(reply to this comment
From xolox
Monday, February 07, 2005, 08:10


Awsome dude, I was wondering about the CD version and you cleared it all up.(reply to this comment

From roughneck
Monday, February 07, 2005, 07:02

forgot to say that Knoppix includes captive-NTFS so that your NTFS formatted drives are useable as well. Links to your Hard Drive(s) are provided right on the Desktop, so no mount/umount command line typing is necessary. :) (reply to this comment
From Regi
Monday, February 07, 2005, 07:52


I'm just curious...does anyone use UNIX?(reply to this comment

From exister
Monday, February 07, 2005, 08:26


Linux is a recursive algorithm for "Linux is not Unix." The reason for this name choice is the fact that from a functional perspective Linux is Unix, or at least a variant thereof, so it was deemed necessary to make the distinction clear.

For those wanting better Internet security, all of the best tools are available free for Linux. And yes, dual booting is soooo 90's. Why not just cobble together an old box and install Linux on it? Then watch it outperform that expensive new Windows box you got from Dell.(reply to this comment

From roughneck
Monday, February 07, 2005, 19:30

Are you sure you're not thinking of "GNU" which is the recursive acronym for "Gnu's Not Unix"?

I only mention it because Ari Lemmke disagrees with you on the etymology of the word "Linux". :(
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From If Operating Systems Ran The Airlines
Monday, February 07, 2005, 10:07


UNIX Airways

Everyone brings one piece of the plane along when they come to the airport. They all go out on the runway and put the plane together piece by piece, arguing non-stop about what kind of plane they are supposed to be building.


Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides, then they jump on and let the plane coast until it hits the ground again. Then they push again, jump on again, and so on ...

Mac Airlines

All the stewards, captains, baggage handlers, and ticket agents look and act exactly the same. Every time you ask questions about details, you are gently but firmly told that you don't need to know, don't want to know, and everything will be done for you without your ever having to know, so just shut up.

Windows Air

The terminal is pretty and colorful, with friendly stewards, easy baggage check and boarding, and a smooth take-off. After about 10 minutes in the air, the plane explodes with no warning whatsoever.

Windows NT Air

Just like Windows Air, but costs more, uses much bigger planes, and takes out all the other aircraft within a 40-mile radius when it explodes.

Linux Air

Disgruntled employees of all the other OS airlines decide to start their own airline. They build the planes, ticket counters, and pave the runways themselves. They charge a small fee to cover the cost of printing the ticket, but you can also download and print the ticket yourself. When you board the plane, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the seat-HOWTO.html. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very comfortable, the plan leaves and arrives on time without a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip, but all they can say is, "You had to do what with the seat?"(reply to this comment

From sassy
Monday, February 07, 2005, 13:34

This is the best explanation of the different operating systems i have heard yet :)
I love Linux it out performs everything i've used so far.(reply to this comment
From Greensack
Sunday, February 06, 2005, 13:28


I know i'm a computer ignoramus, but I refuse to stay that way. ;0)

could you explain how to set it up that way? (dual boot)(reply to this comment

From roughneck
Sunday, February 06, 2005, 09:41

Or if you'd prefer something that you don't have to spend the earth on, try Sygate Personal Firewall or ZoneAlarm Free Edition for your firewalling needs

Sygate Personal Firewall:


For a free Anti-virus suite, try Grisoft AVG

Enjoy.(reply to this comment
From fsck
Monday, February 07, 2005, 13:55

Another decent and free antivirus program (for Windows) is AntiVir PE,
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Sunday, February 06, 2005, 12:11

I've used both Sygate and Zonealarm, I like Zonealarm better.(reply to this comment

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