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Grandchildren of God

from porceleindoll - Monday, October 21, 2002
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As Jules mentioned in her article, I have been attempting to undertake putting together a book about our past, a recorded testimony of our history.

I was reconsidering if I should do this or not as progress has been slow and contributions minimal. So, I've decided to post my questions here for everyone who visits this site to consider and respond to if they choose.

The purpose of this book is not aimed to bring down or 'expose' the Family, it is not meant as an attack against the group, but is only meant to be a record of our life's history. I am not just searching for 'juicy' stories or information, but I am looking for an honest account of how you grew up, how the beliefs, doctrines, events, persons in our lives created what we are today. I want funny, sad, angering, sentimental, sweet, etc. portrayals of our lives.

I'm reposting here my original letter to everyone who first decided to participate, so you can get a clearer picture of what it's about. If you would like more information, write me at



Hi! Before I go any further, I have to let you know this is a general letter. I hate them myself, but it saves time writing when you want to contact so many people on the same subject.

Some of you I know from long ago, some I haven't met before, maybe one day.

Getting to the point, I want to compile a book about our lives. My purpose is to tell our stories and give people outside of the group a look at how we lived. If you have ever noticed, when you begin telling someone even just tiny portions of your life, they usually tend to find it quite amazing. I think our lives were bizarre, unique, strange, unprecedented, I don't know, but very different from the norm, and I think the public would find it interesting.

The other reason is to make a statement to the world about the "fruits" of the COG/Family in a way that the group wouldn't be able to label as "the bitter ramblings of dissidents" or whatever they like to use nowdays. It would have to be factual, down to earth, honest, with a balance of good things, fun things. If you read the story from Beets on about the raids in Lyon you will find a good example of what I'm looking for, an honest account of events in your life, what you felt and thought as they were happening.

I feel that this would go over better to the readers, would be entertaining, touching, and allow people to come to their own conclusions.

I am hoping that this project can mainly be done by us without too much help from people outside of the 2nd generation group. That would give the "group" no chance to say, "well, look, this person or that person was actually manipulating things behind the scenes..." I also think that we have something worthwhile to contribute to the world.

Money: If the book is finished and sells well I am hoping to set up a fund for a major portion of the proceeds to go to, a fund which would be used to help the children, our brothers and sisters really, leaving the group, to give them a start that we didn't get. I don't have the details of this worked out yet, when the time comes, I will sort it out. I have received responses from several other 2nd gens who would like to help with this and think it's a good idea.

I'm hoping too to take the other portion of what doesn't go to the fund to pay royalties to all who contribute. Perhaps something like 25% to royalties, 75% to the fund, I don't know.

I'm hoping that rather than just sitting down and writing out your whole life story, you would do it in pieces and send them in as you finish. It doesn't even have to be a whole life story, but just a paragraph or 2 based on some event, letter, experience, feeling, whatever you like. I'm also thinking to send out questions once awhile, like every couple weeks, and those who have something to say on that topic can contribute.

I am not expecting you to use your legal name unless you want to. You can use a pseudonym, I just want to attatch a name to each contribution to make it more personal for the readers. I will probably put in a small reference section in the back to define "Family" terminology or a short explanation of any Letters that are referred to through the book.

On a final note, if you have other exmember friends can you forward this on to them and they can consider and respond. All emails and correspondence will be kept strictly private, and any email I send out generally will have the addresses blinded, in case you are worried about privacy.

Thank you for the time to consider this and I really would like your help in this project. A couple book title ideas:

The Children of the Children of God
The Grandchildren of God
Cult Babies

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from crookedcricket
Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 09:51

wut about "end time teens" (in the line of the fact that we didn't think that we were every going to grow up)
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from Cultinvator
Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 02:45

I think that a book or a documentary of genuine experiences should be applealing, and probably don't even have to worry about producers or publishers because as long as it's part of our lives and it's a concise work of art it has it's own magical appeal.
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from Cultinvator
Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 02:42


How about "God's Excused Children"?

I like the plain feel of God's Grandchildren though.

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from Cultinvator
Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 02:36


I just discovered most of your articles and I have to say I love them.

I'd like to help you with a slow but steady flow of plain experiences from my neck of the woods. I think it would be a good excercise at just taking life for what it is in spite of labels, a great art project.

Did you finalize the book or the title yet?

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from exister
Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 11:49


Refugees From the Aberrant Microcosm.

Why have God in the title?
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From Introspector
Thursday, January 29, 2004, 12:00


Maybe something like "The Children who Were not Supposed to Grow Up" or "Surprise -- we Grew Up".

I am sure people can come up with something better, but my point is a title that reflects a childhood geared toward an impending doomsday. Remember when the AC was coming in '86, the Tribulation in '89, and the Rapture in '93?

If we want to suggest in the title those we have lost, we could modify it or have a subtitle along the lines of "Those who did not Perish but went on to know a life" (a sideswipe at John 3:16).(reply to this comment

from merrily
Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 11:44

I think When God was Silent may be a good title as well. You know after the story in the good thoughts.
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from Beets
Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 14:15


I like grandchildren of god as a title. I was talking to my mother the other day and we started fighting and she actually said to me "You know Sarita. God doesn't have any grandchildren." I started laughing, which probably didn't help anything but I think she was just trying to say that I'm not going to get into heaven just because she's a saint. I reminded her that I am "saved" so it doesn't matter what I do because according to her I get in anyway. Anyway good title hope the book is coming along.
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From merrily
Thursday, January 29, 2004, 11:49

Beets, I read your story for the first time. If you have anything else you don't remember let me know. I know Lyon was a long time ago but I remember it with fondness. I can say after we had so much more freedom so while the raids were tramatic for all of us involved it helped us teens tremendously. take care. My sisters say hi.(reply to this comment
from Epstein the Book publisher
Monday, October 28, 2002 - 06:12

Suggested title:


Hear how they 'lived' to tell the tale.

Now the exclusive story that the world has waited to hear.

After the end of the world-what do you do? This is the story of what they did!

These children and grandchildren of a world famous doomsday cult survived the horrors and the ecstasies of a zealous and bizarre ultimate trip of doom. The delusions of a mad charismatic leader urged these children and grandchildren to die for their Messiah in order to usher in a new world order. The world order of the 'final destination'...

Will you believe their story?

You have heard of a marriage gone bad; what happens when a religious cult goes bad and the children are left to fend for themselves?

This book will leave you absolutely amazed and astonished at the primitive and anachronistic devices perpetrated by power hungery cult leaders who have left these children defenseless and uneducated in the 21st century!

Read it and weep--we did!

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from girl1
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 17:47

just wondering: do you have any idea who will publish? or is this still in the "idea" stage? by the way, i think the idea is great!
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From porceleindoll
Wednesday, October 23, 2002, 21:51

I don't have a publisher, it's still in the putting the book together stage.(reply to this comment
from sougly
Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 10:48

How about "Cult Kids"
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From JoeH
Wednesday, October 23, 2002, 15:49

Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5(
save your cornball alliterations for your kiddie viddies and family fun videos! :p Then again, "Grandchildren of God" is an illiteration too, but it does fit the topic a little better. Maybe something like "The Grandkids God didn't want" or "God saved me from his children" would work?(reply to this comment
From lochnymph
Wednesday, February 11, 2004, 00:29

I like those last two ideas Joe posted.(reply to this comment
From Albatross
Wednesday, January 28, 2004, 16:34

How about "Children of a lustfull god"?(reply to this comment
From Benz
Wednesday, January 28, 2004, 20:07

Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5(Agree/Disagree?)
Adopted, aborted, abused, discarded, enslaved, beaten, prostituted, raped……Illegitimate grandchildren of a lustful god to his subservient minions. (reply to this comment
From Banshee
Wednesday, January 28, 2004, 18:17

I like this one! Some of the other titles would at first glance make one think of a religious theme, whereas 'Children of a Lustful God' is very intriguing. Good one, Albatross.(reply to this comment
From DodgyTodger
Friday, November 15, 2002, 08:29

"Cult Kids" is a good title. All the others published and ideas listed here have titles that belong in a religious book store and are frankly just naff.

"God saved me from his children" WTF???

I don't know what u read JoeH but the word God in the title?(reply to this comment
From Monk
Wednesday, October 23, 2002, 16:29

Joe, you really should think about getting that operation where they unscrew your head from that whole between your legs.(reply to this comment
From JoeH
Wednesday, October 23, 2002, 18:04

I'd like to point out that you're not the only one capable of spouting overly verbose versions of hackneyed quips, and kindly invite you to copulate with yourself, while imploring you to do so privately.

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From Monk
Wednesday, October 23, 2002, 19:51

Alright Joe, cutting to the chase so to speak, my suggestion is simply, “why don’t you take your head out your ass”. As for the invite to “copulate with myself in private”, has it occurred that some others have actually progressed beyond the mere prodding of bodily orifices’ or the wonderful pleasures of wanking ones self for means of gratification. Such things you are obviously still enthralled with while you try to “invite” us participate with you as well. You further appear willing (in these and other remarks) to represent those of society who consider the primary role in ordinary relationships is to be a “meat donor”. While you are free to think and practice as you wish, please remember there are those of us who look on your anal, orifice-driven mentality as primitive or at best moderately regressive. (reply to this comment
From JoeH
Wednesday, October 23, 2002, 20:06

While I am fond of auto-erotica, or "self-love" as it is called in some circles, and see nothing wrong with it, I should mention that this morning I was please to have a young lady with whom I had "copulated" the night before volunteer to perform this manual labour, I imagine out of gratitude for the enjoyment of the previous night's "sport" by both parties. Aside from the intake of food and regular dental hygiene practices, the only bodily orifices I care to "prod" (as you so crudely stated) are those of other people, specifically attractive women of legal age and favorable disposition. (reply to this comment
From Monk
Wednesday, October 23, 2002, 20:29

Your own comments only avail to further accentuate my point.(reply to this comment
From JoeH
Wednesday, October 23, 2002, 20:36

this has been fun Monk, but I admit I got a little carried away there, none of that actually happened. I'm not the "meat-vending", "orifice-prodding" guy either.(reply to this comment
From Monk
Wednesday, October 23, 2002, 22:25

Equally, I will agree to mutual "orifice exploration" being a desirable participating sport (legal age limits requiring of course), though presently I am only suited to the two-person version. (reply to this comment
From Cultinvator
Saturday, August 21, 2004, 02:51

I've read all the titles and I still see 'Grandchildren of god' the most chatching, simple, yet to the crux of what you're trying to do, kind of title.(reply to this comment

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