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from Haunted Monday, June 16, 2008 - 20:40 (Agree/Disagree?) UPDATE: 276 Signatures to date (reply to this comment)

from cheeks Friday, January 04, 2008 - 20:00 (Agree/Disagree?) And they keep coming. What can the Family say to this, how can they keep denying it? (reply to this comment)

from krush Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 16:48 (Agree/Disagree?) I cannot say "yes" to each of the above, however, I can confirm a number of these statements. (reply to this comment)

from Kelly Tuesday, December 04, 2007 - 10:59 (Agree/Disagree?) i see i have been added to the list already (thanks to my sister for thinking of me) i am adding my brother who is missing (since he is not here to add himself) E.R 1984 He was severely abused both physically and mentally! Haunted, i will send you an email tonight with further information. (reply to this comment)

from cass&eman Monday, December 03, 2007 - 10:04 (Agree/Disagree?) All but number nine 1980- CB 1982-2001 ES all but #9 (reply to this comment)

from neez Sunday, December 02, 2007 - 22:32 (Agree/Disagree?) S.N. 1980 I seem to remember a similar list which already had my name on it. Good luck finding it alphabetically though :P (reply to this comment)

From Haunted Monday, December 03, 2007, 05:00 (Agree/Disagree?) Yep - I still have it. I just wanted to see if we could get all the new members of this site since we made the list back in 2005(reply to this comment)

From neez Tuesday, December 04, 2007, 23:28 (Agree/Disagree?) Do you have a link for that other one? Only asking to make sure it's the same one(the one that I already signed), because that other list had a load of names in it already. I remember there were a couple of them going around, you'd just need to merge them. And I'm guessing a lot of people on both lists haven't seen this update yet.(reply to this comment)

From neez Thursday, December 06, 2007, 00:37 (Agree/Disagree?) Ok I found the other list I was talking about: http://www.movingon.org/article.asp?sID=4&Cat=24&ID=2488&searchTerms=nees&qlid= On second viewing it's completely different, so the names would have to be resigned. But the people that signed that would most likely be happy to sign this one. Or they might have just missed this one like me.(reply to this comment)

from 2ndlife Sunday, December 02, 2007 - 09:02 (Agree/Disagree?) born 1979 yes to all (reply to this comment)

from exfamily Sunday, December 02, 2007 - 02:10 (Agree/Disagree?) Michael S. 1984 Yes to 1, 5, 6, 7. (reply to this comment)

from Haunted Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 14:34 (Agree/Disagree?) This list has been requested from me and I'd like to update it with all of the new people on this site. Please pass it on. Thank you. It is not necessary to place your full names. Initials are fine as well as DOB please. Also, is you'd like to add anything please let me know. Again, the purpose of the list is to combat the general dismissal given to the press by the Family International that we are but a "handful" of Ex-members who ever experienced or came into contact with any abuse which was not "widespread" but rather "isolated incidents" according to their spokesperson. Thank you, Joni Jacobs (reply to this comment)

From cassy Sunday, December 02, 2007, 04:21 (Agree/Disagree?) Not sure if my name is on there, but please do Celeste Jones 1975(reply to this comment)

From Falcon Sunday, December 02, 2007, 01:57 (Agree/Disagree?) Juliana Buhring 1981(reply to this comment)

from Luna Saturday, February 05, 2005 - 01:23 (Agree/Disagree?) Luna K (29-03-1983) Yes to 6) and 10) (reply to this comment)

from Haunted Friday, February 04, 2005 - 12:46 (Agree/Disagree?) 134 names end of week 2/4/05 (reply to this comment)

from steam Thursday, February 03, 2005 - 14:43 (Agree/Disagree?) Add my signature A.C. (reply to this comment)

from xolox Thursday, February 03, 2005 - 13:56 (Agree/Disagree?) 131 now buddy. MDMG 05/10/1978 (reply to this comment)

from Haunted Thursday, February 03, 2005 - 12:55 (Agree/Disagree?) I now have 130 signatures. (reply to this comment)

from johnnyB Sunday, January 30, 2005 - 16:24 (Agree/Disagree?) John M. 2/20/90 (reply to this comment)

from MikeW Sunday, January 30, 2005 - 16:19 (Agree/Disagree?) Michael M. 1-11-1987 (reply to this comment)

from CN Friday, January 28, 2005 - 18:40 (Agree/Disagree?) Crystal N 12/1977 Daniel 10/1978 (reply to this comment)

from Haunted Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 13:28 (Agree/Disagree?) So far I have gotten 117 signatures. Thanks to everyone who helped by passing it on. Please continue to do so. (reply to this comment)

from Beth Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 18:30 (Agree/Disagree?) Beth W. Yes to most of them. Who didn't? (reply to this comment)

from count me in too! Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 04:10 (Agree/Disagree?) Rafael Carol 21.10.82 (reply to this comment)

from porceleindoll Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 18:35 (Agree/Disagree?) E.L. 1969 I cannot claim to have been either sexually nor physically abused in the Family (or any other time), but I can claim that I was denied the right to education as well as used to support the Homes I was in with my labor as a minor (and child) to either provide funds for the Home, or take care of its children or other such services so that others could go out to raise necessary funds. I was also restricted from contact with my Mother for 10 years straight, as well as the Family doing its best to break up the 'clique' of my siblings and father while we were all in the group. (reply to this comment)

from Regi Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 17:38 (Agree/Disagree?) My brother asked me to sign for him. D.G. - Born November 1983 (reply to this comment)

from me too Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 13:45 (Agree/Disagree?) S.B. 1980 (reply to this comment)

from Haunted Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 09:53 (Agree/Disagree?) As of this morning we have 108 signatures - please continue passing the word on! Thanks to everyone who has participated so far!!! (reply to this comment)

from itsxena2u Friday, January 21, 2005 - 18:12 (Agree/Disagree?) Amada D. April 4th, 1973 (reply to this comment)

from Not Me Friday, January 21, 2005 - 17:34 (Agree/Disagree?) for me and others.. JL 1981 (reply to this comment)

from Haunted Friday, January 21, 2005 - 17:07 (Agree/Disagree?) OK - we're up to 98 now!!!! Tell everyone you know please!! (reply to this comment)

from banal_commentator Friday, January 21, 2005 - 15:53 (Agree/Disagree?) In addition to these crimes listed, we were ALL (as in ever single one of us) persuaded to mislead authorities when under scrutiny. Adults completely misrepresented our lives, even telling outright lies about what we did on a day to day basis and staging mock classrooms to pretend like we had more then an hour of school a day, or hiding people to in basements for hours to make the "homes" look less full. At the HCS, to make the children look educated when authorities came 'Auntie Phoenix' would ask the 'students' a question and every kid was told to raise their hand. "If you know the answer raise only one finger, if you dont know the answer keep your palm open and raise your hand anyway." 'Auntie Pheonix' said, "well, I'll just say the answer anyway, since all you guys know it," when each of their kids raised there hands with an open palm. There were lists of questions that parents were told to ask their children and that we were supposed to memorize responses to, in case we were asked by authorities (this was the first time that I learned that I had been to a doctor, had never begged for money, had never not had an education, had seen my parents more than once a week. For others it was the first time that they learned that they were never molested, beaten, or treated like a prisoner. Because we were told these things, the past was erased and it was all true..........NOT!!!) I can not tell you the lengths we went through, and the tricks that we turned to make our lives appear somewhat 'normal.' Zerby and Co. even sent out a childrens series called "Victory in Babylon" a fictional tale and preparation for if the cults children were ever taken away by social workers. It was chock full of scenarios and what they wanted the kids to say or do, all under the guise of Jesus' still sweet voice of course. They dipicted social workers as gay or lesbian child molestors, portrayed the toys that the children might receive as silly pointless gifts, trying to contrast the cult kids in there from other children that were there by depicting abuse as only defined by being beaten black and blue daily as portrayed through one little boy; Sammy has a thought "My parents are nothing like his parents" They also had a very climatic scene where one girl being questioned by social services, has a dramatic, poignant breakdown, shouting her lack of abuse and love for Jesus and her parents. Heres a bit I remember (and I have a very good memory)from the story that brought on the angry burst from the girl..... Social Services (ss): do you ever get together and have parties? Young cult kid (ycd): yes, sometimes we have gypsy night ss: and what happens on these gypsy nights? ycd: we dress up and have cake and icecream ss: then what happens? ycd: we sing and play songs and stuff ss: do you ever dance? ycd: sometimes ss: how do yu dance? ycd: we dance together and have fun ss: do you dance with adults? ycd: no ss: do you ever take of your clothes? ycd: no, of course not ss: what happens after gypsy night? ycd: we go to bed ss: where do you sleep? ycd: in my bed or with my mom ss: does anyone else sleep with your mom? ycd: sometimes my little brother ss: does anyone else? ycd: no, of course not ss: has anyone ever touched you in a way that made you feel bad? ycd: no ss: you can tell us. We know that someone has told you what to say when we ask you these questions ycd: no one told me anything. I am telling the truth. Why are you saying this? I have never been abused. I love my parents. I hate it here, I want to go home.... Can you imagine how calculating "W.S" must be to come up with a full series planting these ideas in childrens heads, manipulated thier minds all in the guise of a happy little story. Its disgusting to remember, not only abuse, but the lentghs they went to try to hide it. One thing still sticks in my head as the point they were trying to make and part of the dialog from the social workers and the young girl "When asked if you wish you had a normal life, respond by saying 'because I don't watch tv and eat junk food, this means I'm not normal.'" The little part that they edited from the story was when the social workers really should have said "No kid, we think you arent normal because you dont go to school, have a midevil disease inflict you twice a year because you never have gone to a doctor, because you dance and take of your clothes in front of a camera and a room full of people, because you are part of a cult that encourages and practies child molestation and even full on sex with children, because you beg on the street daily, because you see your parents about 3 hours a week and when you do they're involved in an orgy, because you are deprived of food when you have an opinion, because you arent allowed to speak for months if you complain about not liking liver, because you are beaten publically when one suspects you are possessed by devils for talking during word time, because when you grow up you will have a child at 16 because you were encouraged to "go for the gold." Around that time you will begin masturbating to a deceased Judeo-christian deity. So no, I dont think your not normal for not watching TV and not eating junk food; all that would make you is a republican californian" (reply to this comment)

From lisa Saturday, January 22, 2005, 10:00 (Agree/Disagree?) "Victory in Babylon" wasent a " fictional tale and preparation for if the cults children were ever taken away by social workers." It was a fictional account based on fact of the raids in sydney. Its what they would have liked to have happened, though I can tell you it didnt(reply to this comment)

From banal_commentator Sunday, January 23, 2005, 21:08 (Agree/Disagree?) Why would they rewrite the past lisa??? Although, it was spawned by the 'sydney raids,' the intent of that series was for exactly what I stated. (reply to this comment)

From vixen Saturday, January 22, 2005, 10:25 (Agree/Disagree?) Lisa, it may have been loosely based on the raids in Aus, but that doesn't change the fact that it was certainly published as an attempt to make it very clear to all The Family's children exactly what they were meant to do or say in the event of a raid. (reply to this comment)

from kj Friday, January 21, 2005 - 11:14 (Agree/Disagree?) Yes to at least half of those. KJ 1978 (reply to this comment)

from Joe H Friday, January 21, 2005 - 11:08 (Agree/Disagree?) Joseph H, 06/27/1980 (reply to this comment)

from thinker711 Friday, January 21, 2005 - 11:02 (Agree/Disagree?) what's the count at now? thanks (reply to this comment)

from J.A. Johnson Friday, January 21, 2005 - 09:42 (Agree/Disagree?) 1984 (reply to this comment)

from Mir Friday, January 21, 2005 - 09:34 (Agree/Disagree?) Mir 25/04/73 and sister all except 3 and 4 Deb 01/01/69 All of them I'll email you our legal names. I know all my other siblings have experienced some if not all the above but it's up to them to reply (reply to this comment)

From Webel Friday, January 28, 2005, 19:51 (Agree/Disagree?) Sister is here :) V.Y.P 1974(reply to this comment)

from Regi Friday, January 21, 2005 - 08:33 (Agree/Disagree?) RRG 03/18/1977 I emailed you my full name. (reply to this comment)

from mugthebug Friday, January 21, 2005 - 07:54 (Agree/Disagree?) magdalene frank april 8 1975 (reply to this comment)

from mugthebug Friday, January 21, 2005 - 07:54 (Agree/Disagree?) magdalene frank april 8 1975 (reply to this comment)

From cheeks Saturday, January 22, 2005, 05:44 (Agree/Disagree?) Reecca Desiree Coppola September 24 1976 I suffered all the abuses mentioned above. I was also molested after 1988,and when I reported it I was told I was at fault.(reply to this comment)

from Nancy Friday, January 21, 2005 - 07:41 (Agree/Disagree?) CM, date of birth: June 1973. I hereby attest that I exerienced all but one. (reply to this comment)

From Nancy Friday, January 21, 2005, 07:46 (Agree/Disagree?) cmadi2@yahoo.com I am no longer ashamed of what was done to me. I am not afraid to speak out. I am not afraid to tell the truth of what the cult did to me. I am not afraid of the cult. I am no longer afraid. I am a victim, but I will not continue to act like one.(reply to this comment)

from moon beam Friday, January 21, 2005 - 07:24 (Agree/Disagree?) Kristina Jones 1976 also D.J 1978 J.J 1981 K.C.J 1983 R.J 1985 (reply to this comment)

from Judy1 Friday, January 21, 2005 - 07:15 (Agree/Disagree?) Date of birth: 06.02.1980 (reply to this comment)

from frmrjoyish Friday, January 21, 2005 - 06:47 (Agree/Disagree?) Lydia Waters late 1973 (reply to this comment)

from Sunflower Friday, January 21, 2005 - 06:37 (Agree/Disagree?) I can without question say that I have experienced all of the above and more.And can honestly say that if I where to give my testimony I wouldnt even know where to start.This whole scene about poor Ricky has brought back memories that I so hard tried to forget. I wish I could do more to help put things right.At the time being i dont feel able to give my name, but I hope my voice will make a difference. date of birth: 16/09/78 (reply to this comment)

From Haunted Friday, January 21, 2005, 17:01 (Agree/Disagree?) Thank you sunflower - may I have your initials?(reply to this comment)

from Albatross Friday, January 21, 2005 - 06:11 (Agree/Disagree?) Daniel Roselle 05/31/75 (reply to this comment)

from I'm in Friday, January 21, 2005 - 04:21 (Agree/Disagree?) registered under another name here. Vincent P. Sdrigotti 1983 (reply to this comment)

from weegirlie Friday, January 21, 2005 - 03:14 (Agree/Disagree?) I don't feel I can give my name, but would still like to be counted. Experienced all the above except denial of education. Although the education I did receive was hardly up to standard and I had no official qualifications whatsoever. Born 1981 (reply to this comment)

from Friday, January 21, 2005 - 01:48 (Agree/Disagree?) A.N. 1979 (email address sent) (reply to this comment)

from Lance Friday, January 21, 2005 - 01:34 (Agree/Disagree?) L.R. 3/12/1979 (reply to this comment)

from Oddman Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 23:48 (Agree/Disagree?) Y.T 1982 (reply to this comment)

from Christian Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 22:40 (Agree/Disagree?) "Sic semper tyrannis (reply to this comment)

from Christian Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 22:39 (Agree/Disagree?) ps: please give me the link to where my name is being posted id like to see my name counted (reply to this comment)

from Christian Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 22:23 (Agree/Disagree?) Christian.M.Mengeu 1/17/86 chrismengeu@yahoo.com (reply to this comment)

from Gothsmack Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 21:10 (Agree/Disagree?) J.M. 12/09/82 (reply to this comment)

from enigma Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 20:33 (Agree/Disagree?) Josh Roselle 1978 (reply to this comment)

from smashngrrl Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 18:48 (Agree/Disagree?) L.B. (reply to this comment)

from ChrisG Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 18:22 (Agree/Disagree?) What about adding: I have been denied medical care and treatment when I was sick with a serious illness (reply to this comment)

from Wolf Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 17:54 (Agree/Disagree?) J.M. 09/01/1975 (reply to this comment)

from niki Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 17:12 (Agree/Disagree?) AL 9-17-1978 (reply to this comment)

from chainedgirl Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 16:44 (Agree/Disagree?) Sarah Williams 5/7/1972 (reply to this comment)

from Beth_Honey Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 15:57 (Agree/Disagree?) BC 13.5.75 (reply to this comment)

from Auty Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 15:46 (Agree/Disagree?) A.L. 02-25-74 (reply to this comment)

from benji Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 15:18 (Agree/Disagree?) BGMV 1979 (reply to this comment)

from A Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 15:01 (Agree/Disagree?) A.B. 5-31-76 (reply to this comment)

from Jerseygirl Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 14:35 (Agree/Disagree?) What are "we" using the names for? Vicky Dunn 06/05/75 (reply to this comment)

From Haunted Thursday, January 20, 2005, 14:40 (Agree/Disagree?) I wanna have a list so that we can say for sure that no, there are ---- number of people, not this 'little hanful' that they claim. I'm not going to release it. So far, 45 names after only a few hours. (reply to this comment)

from clark Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 14:28 (Agree/Disagree?) P.C. 05-09-78 How many so far?? (reply to this comment)

from yep Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 14:12 (Agree/Disagree?) born to the group in '76 and been through almost all of the above (name on file) (reply to this comment)

from Peter Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 14:09 (Agree/Disagree?) Peter Solomon Frouman 1975 (reply to this comment)

from Haunted Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 13:40 (Agree/Disagree?) Please be aware that the Family DOES read this forum, so if you don't want them to be aware that you are involved in this, as they may try and "get dirt" together on you, please email me under my profile or at jonibogle@hotmail.com thank you. (reply to this comment)

From Shaka Thursday, January 20, 2005, 14:10 (Agree/Disagree?) Heh heh, I dare 'em. (reply to this comment)

From Haunted Thursday, January 20, 2005, 13:44 (Agree/Disagree?) Also, for your own security, perhaps you don't want your full name and birthdate on a public website - I only really need your birth year - but it's up to you. (reply to this comment)

from us too Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 13:39 (Agree/Disagree?) S.L. 1982 M.R 1980 S.R 1986 I have also e-mailed you our full names, but don't want them on a public site (reply to this comment)

from Haunted Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 13:36 (Agree/Disagree?) 36 signatures so far (reply to this comment)

From to haunted Thursday, January 20, 2005, 13:37 (Agree/Disagree?) I just emailed you concerning this list; pls check your box : )(reply to this comment)

From to haunted, again Thursday, January 20, 2005, 14:05 (Agree/Disagree?) you've got mail... : )(reply to this comment)

From Haunted Thursday, January 20, 2005, 14:18 (Agree/Disagree?) thanks! - I emailed you back hon(reply to this comment)

from ChrisG Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 13:33 (Agree/Disagree?) C.G Aug 2, 1978. I emailed you my full name, but wanted to post here as well. (reply to this comment)

from hotlanta404 Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 13:32 (Agree/Disagree?) Paula Noell 4/28/74 (reply to this comment)

from EyesWideShut Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 13:29 (Agree/Disagree?) Chiyoko McNair (Sunny) 1975 (reply to this comment)

from jackie Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 13:18 (Agree/Disagree?) M.Dreier 1978 (reply to this comment)

from Blondie_B78 Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 12:53 (Agree/Disagree?) I can't give my real name now for various reasons but would like to be added to your list. Blondie 1979 (reply to this comment)

from jpmagero Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 12:45 (Agree/Disagree?) John Mageropoulos 30/06/1978 (reply to this comment)

from Guccigirl Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 12:38 (Agree/Disagree?) Misty Jacusis October 1, 1973 (reply to this comment)

from tinaz Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 11:59 (Agree/Disagree?) Cristina Zielke June 6 1976 (reply to this comment)

from Shaka Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 11:56 (Agree/Disagree?) John Gill Son of Elam and Harvest 06/26/84 (reply to this comment)

from Lauren Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 11:43 (Agree/Disagree?) Lauren Stevens Sep. 5, 1972 (reply to this comment)

from exister Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 11:24 (Agree/Disagree?) Andrew H. Stone 05/26/75 Never be afraid to speak the truth! (reply to this comment)

from countmein Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 11:24 (Agree/Disagree?) Signed Trish Fowler -- 1977 (reply to this comment)

from Haunted Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 11:13 (Agree/Disagree?) This information will not be given to the public right now, so if you want to remain anonymous, just email me the info under my profile and let me know your wishes. Right now, I just want to be able to say "I have ----- numbers of people who agree". Thanks!!!! (reply to this comment)

From Wounded Thursday, January 20, 2005, 12:19 (Agree/Disagree?) Haunted, I gave you my name for the list but I want to be counted here too although I cannot yet give my name. Anonymous, Female. Born early 70's. Thank you for doing this. *** "I will never not tell even when my tongue gives way to the scissors of the empty air." (quote from a poem based on the greek myth of a woman raped by her rich & powerful brother-in-law who cut off her tongue and locked her in a cell so she could not tell. In captivity she wove a tapestry which she managed to smuggle out to her sister)(reply to this comment)

From venusbutterfly Thursday, January 20, 2005, 12:49 (Agree/Disagree?) anne carol june 28 1977 p.s. i'd love to read the whole story...would you mind letting me know where to find it? tx in advance!(reply to this comment)

From Wounded Thursday, January 20, 2005, 13:14 (Agree/Disagree?) Hi venusbutterfly, I will look for my copy of the poem, which is unpublished still, and post it and the author's name if the author OKs it. My copy also has the name of the legend, taken from Ovid's metamorphoses and is the myth of how a certain kind of bird came to exist, I can't recall which. The poems' subtitle is "On What Turns One Into a Bird." However, while those two lines from the poem echo with my determination to be heard, I would never agree with what happens at the myth's ending. It was a legend told back in the days of the Greeks' empire and did not have a pacifist ending. (reply to this comment)

From Haunted Thursday, January 20, 2005, 12:26 (Agree/Disagree?) That poem is beautiful - Unfortunately, I can't add nothing, but all names will remain anonymous, can you email it to me instead of posting it here?? Thanks - Joni Bogle(reply to this comment)

From Wounded Thursday, January 20, 2005, 12:29 (Agree/Disagree?) I just gave it to you over the phone -- this is me.(reply to this comment)

From Haunted Thursday, January 20, 2005, 12:36 (Agree/Disagree?) ok - got it - thanks hon - ttyl!!(reply to this comment)

From Wounded Thursday, January 20, 2005, 12:19 (Agree/Disagree?) The tapestry told the story of what was done to her.(reply to this comment)

From JohnnieWalker Thursday, January 20, 2005, 11:23 (Agree/Disagree?) Could you add a line to your article that says something like, "12 signatures received to date" and update the article whenever you get more names?(reply to this comment)

From Haunted Thursday, January 20, 2005, 11:27 (Agree/Disagree?) Will do - 15 names to date and counting.....(reply to this comment)

from Xenon Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 11:04 (Agree/Disagree?) Oops... forgot to add date of birth: November 09, 1972 (reply to this comment)

from Xenon Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 11:03 (Agree/Disagree?) Yes to all. James Scott aka Tyrus/James/Peter Son of Caleb and Sonnet aka Phil and Faith (reply to this comment)

from JohnnieWalker Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 10:48 (Agree/Disagree?) Signed: Stephan Schmidt (September 29, 1977) (reply to this comment)

From this is me Thursday, January 20, 2005, 17:25 (Agree/Disagree?) N. H. M. H. (1976)(reply to this comment)