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Character Assasination No More

from cassy - Tuesday, February 11, 2003
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After spending 27 years in the group, I had no desire to spend another minute wasting my time on it, however, I can't sit by and let another person be "character assassinated" once more.

It's been the Family leadership's pattern to blacken the name of anyone who spoke out; playing down dirty like any other sleazy business whose only interest is in keeping themselves afloat. It's the same tactic used in a courtroom--slander the witness to discredit what he or she says. We've all got dirty laundry cause we're human and nobody is perfect. But just because somebody else is black doesn't make the other person any whiter. Instead of answering properly the questions and accusations, the leaders opt for making blanket statements and then going on to say how many "souls" they are winning. Let me ask the question: does the end justify the means? (Sweat shops are fine--look at the nice NIKE shoes they produce for us to wear.) I'm going to get back to that, but for now I'm talking about David (Zerby's son).

I was in her home and WS for 2 1/2 years, the same time David and Nicole were, and we left WS around the same time. First I'd like to say that I have many good friends in WS, and I love them, like I think we all love our parents or friends still in. I didn't see "Mama" very much, but she was outwardly pleasant and friendly, though somewhat aloof. She kept to herself in her "wing" of the house, had her meals made special for her and, except for the occasional meeting, only the few working directly with her saw her at all. Her own personal assistant did everything for her, even washed her hair and clipped her toenails, I mean, I'm surprised she didn't also wipe her ass. My impression was that she had no contact with reality.

Those in Zerby's home helped me through a very difficult time of sickness where I nearly died (with pregnancy sickness) and for that I am grateful. However, the truth of the matter is, I begged for months to leave and they kept telling me to "hold on" and "stick it out" and I finally managed to persuade them to let me go when my daughter was 1 and a half. They controlled my life because they had the money and total control of all communications with anyone outside of their immediate home. So while they were "sweet" to my face, in fact it was a selfish love. They were really only looking out for their own interests.

Just because there are some decent people in the Family doesn't mean I need agree or accept Berg or Zerby's ideas or the things that I saw that were glaringly wrong. Good doesn't justify the bad in any situation, nor can it excuse it. I consider David a good friend. At the time of writing this, I haven't been in contact with him since we left WS, but I know enough to know that what they are saying is not right. They showed the "top secret" video in my home a few days before I left. First it was the "they got to him" line. I'm sorry, but who's the they? No "they" got to him just as much as no "they" got to me or any of us. The "they" is the Family themselves. Our decision and opinions of the Family, right or wrong, is taken directly from a lifetime of experience behind us. Instead of realising their responsibility and the fact that we are the result of their actions, they've opted to blame some third party. Or better yet, DEMONS! Please, spare us. It comes across as a desperate attempt to get out of the hot seat themselves. Talk about scare tactics, the amount of delving into the dark, gory world of ugly demons swallowing people and eating them from the inside that is going on now with every letter that comes out, is alarming. Berg himself said you weren't supposed to get into all that as a Christian. That's only one of MANY contradictions in the Family's beliefs, picking and choosing. What's wrong one day, is all right the next, just so long as the "prophet" says so. What happened to the Bible saying to think on the good, honest, and positive? Having to sit through an hour a day of reading those visions made me feel ill, and had me questioning the sanity of whoever "saw" it. Pray to God I never see visions like that.

The next one brought up was the whole blackmail issue. Well, like that makes any difference. It reminded me of a recent case where a young man tried blackmailing a priest because he molested him as a child. Then he shot him. Just the other week I read that the jury acquitted him. The priest had been getting away with stuff for years, and though it's no excuse for killing someone, it didn't make what the man went through any less evil. So blackmail may be wrong, but you've got to have something on someone in order to blackmail them, don't you? From what David and his friends have said, it's a misrepresentation of what really happened anyway. They didn't read his letters on the video, they just said it. And with her track record of misinformation, I question her motives completely--not David's. Zerby said that his letters were all sweet when she was giving him money but when it dried up, that's when he turned sour. Well, I don't know if I believe that because even when I was with David in WS, he had issues. We all probably have a love/hate relationship with our parents if they are still in. I know I do with my dad. I desperately want to love him and keep up the relationship we had, but I also have anger mounting up within me because I just can't understand how he can be so blinded and proud. I'm sure with David it's just the same. I know that everything he has written is true, because I heard the same stories and witnessed some myself.

So the issue here is not whether what he is saying is right or wrong, they're just upset that he's speaking up and not covering up for them anymore, and they don't want those in the Family to hear it by making the whole thing out to be some big sob story. (David, if you're reading this, prove them wrong!) After all, they did the same to James Penn, Mene and Deborah and everyone else who's spoken out. Instead of answering their questions, they dug up all the dirt they could on them. So what? I think I would have gone crazy too if my Grandfather had sex with me. Deborah says the same and Faithy, well, we know. I remember that letter where he was goosing her under the table. If THAT was printed, then I believe a lot more went on, just as Deborah says. Maybe Deborah and her husband did abuse children, but that doesn't take the guilt off Berg. And as I remember, Berg never said what Deb said in her book was wrong. It was all a big, "poor me" how could she do this to her own father? And then publishing loads of evil stories about her. On the video Zerby pulled out that one again about Berg. "Dad was such a wonderful person. He really loved lost souls." Then she ends with "I wish we all had the same fire and love." Of course, everyone sitting in the room sat there nodding their heads. Damn it, they never even met him! I don't care how many tears flowed from his eyes, or how many prayers he prayed, or how many times he said, "Praise the Lord," (we've all seen the Garden of Eden series, and evangelists are known for the dramatic acting ability. That's the world he grew up in), what counts are his ACTIONS. What are his long-term fruit? Okay, let's use the RuleBook the Family says they follow. It says a Bishop of the Church should be blameless and able to rule his own house. You were supposed to judge them according to how you saw them conduct themselves. After all, if what you preach doesn't even work on your own children, why should it work for you? Well, we know Deborah's story. Aaron died, probably suicide, Hosea, well; his kids have way loads of bitterness against him. I know him personally. Sorry, but not a good impression on my mind. And Faithy, well I don't need to say more (a drunk alcoholic who also molested young teen boys).

Then there's David. We've heard his side of "Life with Grandpa" and Techi. Well, for those of you who don't know her, when I knew her in WS I was told directly by one of the shepherds that if she hadn't have had a kid, she wouldn't still be in the Family. (In other words, they're secretly glad she got knocked up at sixteen because now she's dependent on them for survival.) She was an exception and they put up with her because they were desperate to keep her. If any of us did or acted the way she behaved we would have been booted out of WS in a second. I believe that she has yet to get up the guts and make her own stand like her brother has. In fact, I was more shocked that David left first as she was definitely "worse" then he was. And top that off, we all know Mene's story. (Hosea marrying an harlot because God told him to is a far cry from a systematic desire for incest. But if that's all right with you, then just come out and say it, please don't hide under the guise of the "law of love") It beats me who in the Family still wants to read to their children the Life with Grandpa's, when as soon as they grow old enough, they'll realise their "idols" are nothing like what they read about. What was that Berg said in "What is that In Thy Hand?" about our children being the proof of the pudding? Well, here's the pudding, and we are the pudding, and we're telling you the truth. What more will it take for Kelly and Zerby to not just hear, but listen? I remember Berg's letter where he used that verse to defend himself, "and he that winneth souls is wise." His argument went that because he started the Family, and the Family was winning so many "souls" then he must be good. Hummmm. All right. Well, first of all, that was totally twisting that scripture. This is King Solomon we're talking about who said it, and in those days there was no "winning souls" as we know it. Jesus hadn't even been born yet. So what did that really mean? Well, in a new translation of the Bible, it has a completely different version. "Righteousness gives life, but violence takes it away." Nothing about "souls" at all. (Hebrew original goes something like this: "He who carries away people is skillful" or also could mean "he who seizes morality is cunning".) Sorry, but "souls" can be won by anyone. What needs to be judged is the fruit. The Family's fruit is first its children. --US! The majority of children born in the Family over 18 years old are NOT in the Family. What does that say? Over two thirds of everyone who has joined has left. In any business or test, if the results were the same, it would not be considered successful. Again, the Family has contradicted itself and twisted scripture to fit the picture it wants to portray. If everyone leaves, then we are a "Gideon's band." But if the Family comes upon some wealth or goes through a growth spurt, "we're in God's blessing." "Dad's prediction of us being a financial power has come true." Win, win situation, is it? Or have you got your back covered?

Let's again use the Bible the Family says they follow. In Deuteronomy it says the judge of a true prophet is if his predictions come true, if not, YOU SHOULD NOT LISTEN TO HIM. Let's not rewrite history here. Those of us who lived through it know that Berg said Jesus was coming in 1993. At that time, his word was THE WORD. We believed it. The 70 years prophecy about when he would die and when Jesus would come did NOT come true. I've heard people say, "it's too early to tell." What? Newsflash! 1993 is past. What about 40 days? What about Davidito and Maria being the two Endtime Witnesses? I recall Davidito being a teenager and Zerby a young woman. I went back to read some of Berg's endtime letters before I left. Almost every single one said, "the Crash is here" or "it's gotta happen this year" then a little outburst of tongues and a "Hear ye the words of your father." It was those predictions that had us living from day to day, thinking it all was going to end tomorrow. (Reminds me of the story of wolf, wolf...sooner or later no one's going to listen to you.) I'm also reminded of the Halley's Comet. I was ten and we were passing out posters saying Halley's comet would herald the coming of the Anti-Christ. Of course, when that didn't happen, Berg got out of it by saying that perhaps the Anti-Christ came secretly, just like the comet wasn't seen. Well, seven years later, it didn't happen, only by that time most everyone probably forgot about that. --Convenient. What good did it do to buy refuge farms, then sell them, move East, then back West, then South, live in caravans, and then oversized combos, then back down to everyone on their own. He had us all marching to his orders, and there was loads of guilt placed on people when they didn't follow whatever was the craze at the time. The pattern has continued. It's like the Family leadership is experimenting with people's lives like they're toys. Famous Y2K. All the homes stocked up and bought loads of survival and food--only to get rid of it all a year later. Of course, in hindsight, they found one little line of escape in the prophecy. Well, predictions are not worth anything if you leave yourself a loophole out of them. I could do that myself. Need I go on? The verse doesn't say, "if the prophet gets one in ten right, then he's still a true prophet."

I found another good verse in Isa.44:25 and 25. I'm going to use the new version NIV, because though it says the same thing in KV, sometimes the flowery language has you miss the point. It says first in the above verse "I am the Lord who..." then in 25. "Who foils the signs of false prophets, and makes fools of diviners, who overthrows the learning of the wise, and turns it into nonsense." Verse 26. "Who carries out the words of his servants, and fulfils the predictions of his messengers." --Pretty clear, isnt it? Not much room for leeway on that one. Maybe all the stages we went through were "experimental" for the leadership, and in the eyes of the adults (including the sexual play with adults, FFing and teen detention homes), but for us, your children, it was our LIVES. That line "it happened years ago" does not cut the mustard. What you sow, you reap. That pastor's pillow might have only took a second to rip open, but it will take a lifetime to pick up all the feathers again. What we want is truth, honesty and facing up to reality. We need to talk, and openly. Which gets me on my next subject of honesty. The main reason I left WS at the time was because I disagreed with the policy of secrecy and hiding. It's an exclusive club within club. The attitude, (and I heard it from Zerby herself) was that those in WS were more special, were in the inner circle, it was a step closer to the Lord. There was a definite us and them. No trust of even their own members. (They can deny this high and loud, but I KNOW.) Then leaving to be in the "normal" family, I wondered how anyone would want to follow a group of people they've never met, only maybe on brief visits. Let's go back to what they are supposed to be basing their beliefs on. What are our shepherds supposed to be like? Well, I don't see anywhere in the Bible Jesus running and hiding, being incognito and forging passports to protect his own ass. Sure he was controversial, but he was out there in the public eye with nothing to hide. He said, I am the good shepherd and I lay my life down for the sheep. He meant it and he did it. Where are our good shepherds leading the way? It's more the other way around. They hide behind, pushing out their sheep, exhorting them to be glad to receive persecution for their sake. But the hole has been dug and without a complete change, Zerby is doomed to live her life just like any other fugitive from justice. I think that says a lot. Perhaps Berg received his just deserts, being buried in an unmarked grave, only to be dug up a few years later. You can't go visit his gravesite because it isn't there anymore. He couldn't eat solid food for years, and had to drink blended food (all because he drank himself under the table and burned his stomach and esophagus.) He was haunted by nightmares and battled with constant depression. What type of life or death is that? It certainly wasn't for "righteousness sake."

Jesus' whole message was against religion, against following a person. The Holy Spirit was supposed to lead. If Christianity was not even dependent on him being here in the flesh, then why is it so important to "protect" our leaders? If it's of God, then no man can stand against it, right? That brings me to a good example of the British court case. The judge requested that Peter come and represent the Family in court. But no, he didn't come. Guess who they sent as a WS representative? James Penn. Oh, so then when he spills the beans, they turn around and say that he was "always a weak character" and downplayed him as some low down guy. Okay, so that leaves us to conclude you sent your riffraff to defend the Family in court. Someone you could do without perhaps? Thanks a lot! What bothered me even more was after I left WS, I noticed things that were said that were not completely true, white lies, or exaggerations to slant things the way they wanted to portray something. Like Misty in her jealousy GN saying "my husband had dates with ALL the women in our home." Oh yeah! Well I was there at the time it was written and I did not, nor with any other older man. The "crossing generations" thing just wasn't for me, but I can tell you it took a lot for me to buck the tide and stand up for myself. Was there ever any discussion in the letters on the subject of young women who did not feel comfortable about this new revelation, or that it was fine for those who don't wish to partake, and that maybe some in her home were not so keen on the idea?--I know there were! I'm sorry, but Zerby has surrounded herself with people who are like her or at least suck up to her, and though they may bring up a few opposing opinions, you never really crossed the line, or you would get hammered down. Look at Gabe and Matthew who were made public examples for everyone, along with a long list of others down through the years. Who would want to be the next?

Instead of addressing rumours or issues outrightly, like for example, the one that was going around about two eccentric women in their rooms receiving prophecies all today, instead of answering it, they slapped it down as ridiculous. Well, actually that was probably based on the fact that even though most people in WS do get prophecies for Zerby as she requests them, there are two women (at least at the time I was there), Sandy (or Palestina--Genai's mom) and Viv (single older woman) whose full time "ministry" was just GETTING PROPHECIES. And a lot of the visions also. Well, I couldn't help but think that if I had the pressure of having to come up with stuff day after day after day, I just might go a bit wonkers. And no offence to them personally, but I'm not about to stake my life or the life of my child and service for the Lord on what they receive or anyone else. Zerby's told us that she's the winetaster and that she has some special dispensation to be able to tell if something is of the Lord. I have proof that in Kidland there is a "prophecy" published from some YA in Thailand that was word for word taken from Raise'm Right. The only thing the girl did was change it from the third person to the first person, meaning it was done on purpose (I discovered this only because I happened to read the chapter a few days before the pub came out). I wrote this in at the time (about 2 years ago now--I think it's issue 16), and they sent back a short note saying they'd "look into it". Well, a year and a half later I heard nothing back, nor was anything published about it. Probably something they'd like to brush under the rug if they could. I know from my time in WS that Mama listens to all publications including Kidland before sending out to the Family so what happened then? Where were her special powers of discernment on that one ?

I heard the argument, "Well, Mama would never make mistakes on the "important" issues." Well, where do we draw the line on what is important? Doesn't really hold water for me, especially since we can never "prove" that visions of blood dripping demons were actually "seen" and not someone's scary imagination. I want to know why Zerby can call herself a prophetess when she doesn't prophesy herself, and can't discern when others prophesy falsely! I have more examples stored away on this, but I'll move on for the sake of time and space. I wonder why Zerby is so hesitant to give credit to where credit is due? Why is it okay to give credit to dead authors like Charles Dickens for writing a "spirit" story, but not okay to give credit to the flesh and blood person and member of the Family, who took his or her time to put pen to paper and write the story down? Why does WS publish its "tools" under false names, or why does Zerby put her name on a product when she didn't even write it? The Activated calendar is full of nice quotes, one for each day, fine. Each of us in WS contributed 20 or so quotes, I doubt she wrote even one. But right on the front cover it says, " By Maria David". I was under the delusion that I was contributing my work for a good cause and that it didn't matter because the Lord gets the credit for everything, right? Well, why is Zerby an exception to that? Not only that, but she can take credit for everyone else as well. Is the leadership really concerned about making sure people give credit to the Lord, or are they just concerned that no one else gets the credit but them? What about paying taxes? Jesus himself said twice to pay what is due, and Paul is clear on "obeying the powers that be" and "This is why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing,. Give everyone what you owe him." I wonder how many Family members have read Romans 13 recently. There are so many other verses like "provide all things honest in the sight of men," "not handling the word of God deceitfully", "spotless and blameless the sons of God" and the list goes on. I'm sorry, but that half line of a verse ..."as deceivers, yet true" does not weigh up against a preponderance of scripture on the other side. If the Family leadership really was concerned only about reaching lost souls then they should have heeded Paul's warning, "For meat, destroy not the work of God." It's plain to the see that they themselves have been their own worst enemy. And what about the "traditions," rules, checklists, the homes are loaded down with. Jesus was quite against those, saying to the religion of his day, "you and your traditions have made the law of God of none effect." And where do you see any Biblical prophets spending most of their time prophesying about how wonderful they are and that everyone should hear ye them? It somehow strikes me as odd that a lot of Berg's letters and prophecies were about himself, and how "even the spittle of David" was like drops of gold. Humility? Kelly and Zerby have followed suit, publishing loads of prophecies exalting themselves. It really rubbed me the wrong way when a whole FSM was published with stories of the CROs meeting "Mama", and at the beginning was a little disclaimer, "we're not exalting man, but....." but what? Hearing the leaders I'm supposed to trust and follow saying that they felt the earth shake and move when they met her did not sit well with me. If that isn't cultish behaviour, then I don't know what is.

What about the verse, "And I, if I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto Me (as in Jesus)." It seems to me that the Family tries to gain all the praise for itself for everything good that happens, but anything bad, well, that's that naughty individual. Was it right that the leadership basically made Sarah take the rap for the Dito book during the court case, saying "Oh, those were just her thoughts and opinions", when in actuality at the time the Dito book was THE childcare manual for all to follow. Or in the letter "Professionals" Peter says that FFing was voluntary and the women only did it if they wanted to. I'm sorry, but those of us who were there at the time know the pressure that was placed on people, and my mom happens to be one who did feel like she had to or she was "disobeying" God's prophet. If you didn't do it, you were basically accused of being the "Girl Who Wouldn't." Yes, perhaps some women had a great time, but that doesn't excuse the many women who did not, and that's what Daniel was trying to bring out. The only people who are going to believe the "rewriting" of history are those who have joined in the last eight years and our younger brothers and sisters who don't know any better. What about tithe? Interestingly, I read about it by chance as I was looking through Deuteronomy (chapter 14: 22-28). Every year 10 percent of the produce was taken and brought to the temple, where they basically had a big picnic. It was the principle of setting it aside so they could enjoy it at a place where they could honour and remember the Lord. Only every 3 years did they give 10 percent to the Levi tribe. What a far difference that is to the Homes giving in some places 16% of their income every month! Often they are struggling to survive, and yet they feel guilty like they won't receive God's blessing unless they give it (not to mention loose their membership). So who has given them that impression? Certainly not the Bible I've read. If WS used a little business sense, they could support themselves no problem, and have enough to give out besides.

The Family no more follows the Bible then the Moonies do. At least Kelly and Zerby should have the guts to say that. So, so many people I talked to still in the group basically turn a blind eye to the things they don't agree with, just so they can partake of the benefits. They don't want to face reality. For how much longer, I don't know. But the truth is staring them right in the face, if they'll only see it.

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from Rain Child
Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 07:09

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This is the best thing I've read so far, especially for helping people who are still in or still indoctrinated to take an honest look at the hypocrisy within The Family. I'm going to forward it to my parents. Thank you.
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from evanman
Friday, November 12, 2004 - 16:29

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I joined CoG in early 1972 in England, I left in late 1979, so I was there during the major changes to doctrines and practices that went on.

The first time I felt real fear was at the old factory in Bromley. David Hoyt had just left the CoG and had denounced the group to CoG's UK patron Mr.Frampton. We were all summonsed to the large meeting area, sat on the floor and one of the leaders (Hosea or Big Josh), I'm not certain exactly who, read the letter "Judas". I slept badly that night worried in case I was a Judas too.

Another night Hosea read "The Bell, Book and Candle" to Count Imanuel and Rachel. That was scarey too as all the lights were dimmed and I remember that I didn't fully understand but I realised it was something very "heavy"!

Later on "Dad" prophesied about Deborah being "Queen" of the Family, guess that was a false prophecy. Then Rachel was prophesied as being "Queen"--guess that turned out to be another false prophecy.

I can confirm about 1993 being taught as the year of Christ's return. This was because of "Dad's" insistance that certain of the palms were prophecies year prophecies of End Time events.

Psalm 68 referred to 1968 (when Cog was founded). So Psalm 93 was 1993. Another false prophecy.

One thing i should add was that whenever I failed to meet my "Litnessing" quotas (which was virtually every day) I blamed myself and my lack of faith. I never thought to question the falacy of the doctrines and practices of the "family".

I've been out of the "family" for exactly 25 years now, and still haven't fully recovered from the experience. To all of you "born-ins" I am truly sorry to all of you that i may have come into contact with and helped perpetuate the evil done in the name of Jesus myself and others like me did.
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from Moshu
Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 00:38

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I started to read but then couldn't finish--and this is why you are trying to make sense of something that will never be explained by a rational mind. Of course you are mad because it wall all bull-shit and that is that and that is all--it was all a sham so get on with your life you will never be able to make sense of the old life--I know --it's time to die and start again. sorry but it's true!
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from fragiletiger
Monday, March 01, 2004 - 19:15

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very true, though as someone said we cant lump thousands of people together under the name of "the family" and say their all evil manicacs there are some gennuanly good people who are loving and sencere and who are actully doing some good and are still family members. i would also like to say that even though there are some horiffic things in our past that were wrong and never should have happened and the people who did thouse things where in the family at the time the magority of people i have met in the family are sweet, kind,gentle people who honestly want to help people
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From cassy
Tuesday, March 02, 2004, 08:58

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I agree with you completely that there are plenty of sweet people in the Family. The whole point of my article is the just that, the dynamics of leadership that keep and use their followers to cover for their own asses, milk out every last penny and mentally screw around with wonderful people who accept and take the crap like "good" boys and girls should. There's a liberation that needs to be had, and everyone of us plays a part in either standing up to hypocrite tyrants or letting them walk all over us.(reply to this comment
From Albatross
Monday, March 01, 2004, 19:35

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If they really care, they should presure their leaders to do something about the many legitimate claims of abuse. It's a sad but true reality that "sweet and kind" people may have to suffer if they choose to follow the leadings of people who are not only not sweet and kind, but abusive and dangerous. (reply to this comment
From XR
Friday, February 04, 2005, 06:57

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There is no way to "pressure" the leaders, short of concerted legal action. You are not "pressuring" them by just shooting the breeze here. A suspension of all tithing within the group would be one way that members of the group could protest, by cutting off all support to Peter and Maria. And yet look how they have been busy trying to develop their own businesses so they don't even need the members. (reply to this comment
From Haunted
Thursday, April 01, 2004, 11:16

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I see your point - however, at this juncture don't you agree that there are many FGA's who are simply at a loss to do anything else with their lives? I mean, these are often in their 50's, have young children to support and have absolutely no job skills whatsoever. Many freely admit that they are just plain scared. While I admire people like my parents who have chosen to leave and will do whatever they can to rectify their lives even at their own risk and at the risk of losing their families, there are many who, sadly, are not as brave.

My point is, is it really about choice now at this late time in their lives? Are they even capable of making that choice now and is it the better choice for them? What will they do with themselves now? What if your parents were to leave the group now? What possible occupation could they take up and is this perhaps a clue as to why they refuse to acknowledge that they are wrong?

It is a difficult saying to admit to oneself that everything they've ever done, and all that they've lived for is predicated on a lie (I'm not including the abusers in this statement, but those whom you label as the "sweet and kind" ones).

However, I see that it is these same people who TF is now practically "kicking out" of the group since they have chosen to do things as far as possible from the direction TF is taking. I wish them the best of luck in their endeavour. (reply to this comment

From cassy
Friday, April 02, 2004, 07:11

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My concern is that the leadership are not going to take responsibility for it's older population anyway, even if they stick it out. They're still squealing for more money and "gifts" to suport themselves. So if our parents don't wake up now, it's going to be an even worse reality hit in ten years time. Every moment they hold out in their pride is only going to hurt themselves in the long run.(reply to this comment
From Haunted
Friday, April 02, 2004, 08:39

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Cassy, I agree with you completely. The leadership of the family is NOT going to help the aging population at all. Think of the healthcare bills they'd have to shell out money for in the next 10 years if they dont somehow find a way to kick out the people who've dedicated their lives to TF but are getting up there in age. It's frightening - especially since we'll probably end up being the one to shell out said monies. But then, that's another topic.....(reply to this comment

From somebody
Friday, April 02, 2004, 11:14

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Just in case my so-called parents are reading and can guess this is me, whoever the above comment includes in "we'll probably end up being the ones" don't count me in. I pay taxes which go to social programs such as Medicaid and Medicare. This is a level of security and health care superior to what you felt was sufficient in my infancy and childhood. Any support I give will be reserved for the people who helped me survive when you abandoned me. They, unlike you, had no duty to help me, but unlike you, they helped. And I will help you with the applications to the same extent to which you heled me apply to take a GED and to get a driver's license. Just an FYI.(reply to this comment
from ursa
Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 13:58

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Thank you for your well written article. It seems that from the beginnings the family was this funnel cloud that hit the ground as a tornado, growing in strength and we that got out, flung from the vortex of deceptions and lies that it is built upon, are its survivors. It is beyond sad to see the damage done to those that survived and those that didn't. But I am also encouraged by the survivor articles.


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from meh
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 - 12:46

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Good job. That was really well said - all of it. I loved the fact that you totally caught them with their own versus - not only that, but used not just one translation of the bible. I mean, if someone lives their life following the "word of God", who is really to say which version is the right one, the one to follow? I mean, there's so many different religions based on so many versions of what they all believe to be true (in this case, the Bible). But the funny thing is, twist something to suit what you yourself want, and your set. Good job mixing up the twistations. It was interesting to see another translation of some verse which has had it's definition twisted, gutted, and raped 'til there's just the authorities' opinionated, one-way state of mind left.
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from Anonymous Family Member(for obvious reasons)
Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 03:03

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I read your article, well said! A lot of the time I think even the average ‘Family Home’ is run like a business and honestly it makes me sick. But a lot of the time they think they are honestly ‘doing there best for the Lord’. Most homes would be lucky if they ‘won’ half a dozen ‘souls’ a month!

But like you said there is no “they” there are family members who are genuine missionaries and who are doing something good with there life. I wouldn’t say there are a lot because honestly I’m personally having a hard time finding the ‘missionaries’ and its sad.

The fact is you can make more money being in the family and not working at a job then if you worked from 9-5 its become a comfortable life for those who have learnt how to play the game. And after doing it for 25 or more years that’s all you know how to do, Some of the FGA’s just wouldn’t be able to carry on with the comfortable life working at a 9-5 job.

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From PompousJohn
Tuesday, February 18, 2003, 09:55

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I don't know man, I think in a lot of ways the Family is run like a crappy business, kind of along the same lines as a traveling carnival show or a flea market. It has virtually no chance of going over the top financially using the scorched-earth fundraising tactics I witnessed in the group.

I figured out a few times in different homes I was in where I was doing a rather disproportional amount of fundraising that if every able bodied-member of the home just worked for minimum wage 40 hours a week that they would be better off financially. (I was still counting on provisioned food and other goods) In fact if they worked at anything productive for 40 hours a week each they’d be in better shape.

Needless to say there’s no reason for them all to work for the minimum wage, think about all the homes that are doing fairly well because just one member has a decent “drop-in” job. What if that was the expected norm for Family members? Wouldn’t that change the outlook on the need for education and REAL vocational training? Wouldn't they be more effective for "the Lord" if they weren't broke all the time? OK, this is starting to sound like "Did God make a mistake?". I don’t think the Family’s problems with working are as much doctrinal as they’re just plain lack of work ethic; i.e. laziness. It’s the whole “consider the lilies of the field” thing. Yeah the lilies don’t work, but they’re also basically worthless and nobody cares if they get stepped on either.

I know what you mean about finding missionaries, I spent my last 5 years in the group looking for them and couldn't find any, and then I got to thinking about the concept of winning souls, and realized that it really wasn't that important whether somebody gave me a dollar for a poster and mumbled a 3 line prayer with me. I guess the elusive "missionaries" must have figured that out too. I mean shit, if that’s saving souls, they can pack up and go home already because the Family’s own stats show that they’ve already saved every soul on the planet a couple of times.
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From cassy
Wednesday, February 19, 2003, 07:17

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To add to that, in Luke, in the verses before Jesus says you cannot serve God and mammon, he says that if you are not faithful with the unrighteous mammon then how will he entrust the true riches? Basically, what Jesus was saying was that you need money to live, but don't live for money. There's verses like, "the work man is worthy of his hire" and "they that shall not work, shall not eat." There's nothing wrong with getting a salary. The point is actually quite clear that it's the attitude of heart but the family basically takes things to the extreme, just like in most of their doctrines. Funny how being a salesman, sweating it out on the street is called, "living by faith." (reply to this comment
From PompousJohn
Wednesday, February 19, 2003, 08:28

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Exactly, going door to door with tapes and posters that almost no one will ever listen to or read was a lot harder work than selling a product people actually want at a competetive price. You wouldn't have to learn so much about "winning friends and influencing people" if you sell stuff people actually want. (reply to this comment
From Mir
Wednesday, February 19, 2003, 10:54

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OMG, serious flashback occurring! The thing that I remember about selling tapes and posters was how utterly BORED I was. It was sooooo BORING, I hated it! And funnily enough, I manage Telemarketing (phone sales) teams now and I love it. I love selling. I guess it was the fact that there was no incentive for me, I was a young teenager, I wanted to be mucking around with my friends, not frying my brains out in all manner of dodgy locations in India, or freezing my butt off on the streets of London selling something which quite frankly, I was embarrassed about. I remember lunch breaks in London... We would pop into McDonalds sometimes and provision a burger and a shake. (Tut tut, junk food!!!) I would then fold my arms and lean my head on the table and fall asleep. Many a time I would be woken up by the "Uncle" or "Auntie" to find myself all confused in a pool of drool LOL!!! I actually remember falling asleep in someone's house when I was out with some guy tapenessing door to door! Ha ha ha! How bored was I?(reply to this comment
From Elsie
Wednesday, February 19, 2003, 11:51

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Some of the most annoying dreams to me are when I get nightmares of tapenessing. I had one just the other night, I hate'm.(reply to this comment
From Mir
Wednesday, February 19, 2003, 18:17

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Hey Elsie, I remember when I first left I would have nightmares almost every night about the leaders coming to my parents house, sitting around the dinning room table and discussing me and my future. They were saying how "out of it" and "rebellious" I was and how I needed to be "worked on" Then they would turn around, face me and start rebuking me, telling me that I had to go back to the home,and my parents would just sit there completely helpless. I would feel terrified and I would wake up in a sweat, shaking with fear and then it would turn to anger at my powerlessness- I was also angry at myself for allowing them to intimidate me still. One night I sat up in my bed and I said to myself out loud:"Mir, if you dream about them again tonight you are going to tell them to Fxxx right off". Well, sure enough, I dreamt about them that night and I remembered what I told myself, so I started swearing at them telling them exactly what I thought about them, boy it felt SOOOO good!!! The dreams started to fade after that...(reply to this comment
from Mir
Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 18:44

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Excellent article Cassy. TF has become even more loopy (if that is possible) since I left 11 years ago...
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From cassy
Friday, February 14, 2003, 13:19

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Someone jot me a note, asking to clarify what I said about "Dad's" grave. I guess there are certain type of grave sites where you can only buy them for say like ten years (which is how long I think it was). I didn't know this, but when I was in Portugal, they showed me a picture of his grave, and they didn't put his name on it, only a verse which I forget what is was. If I remember correct it was "I am the reserrection and the life". Anyway, we were living pretty close by so I asked if I could go and see it and the shepherds told me that it wouldn't be there anymore cause what they do is after that block of time that you rent the site, they dig up the body and cremate it or something, and then use the plot of land to bury someone else. So, that's what I'm referring to when I said that.(reply to this comment
From Esplendor Geometrico
Saturday, January 22, 2005, 11:49

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You are quite right. In Brazil, like Portugal, the graves are, in general, temporary. It will be occupied between 5 to 10 years, after which the bones will be cremated. Here, in Rio, the space is usually rented for the period of three years. Cheers, EG.(reply to this comment
From justanangrygirl
Tuesday, March 04, 2003, 18:48

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serves the fucker right. no marked grave and no body to be resurrected at the rapture. in any case, i hope berg burns in hell for eternity.(reply to this comment
From Annick Prieur
Friday, February 14, 2003, 19:21

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One can only hope they burned the body in a run-down trailer park in east Texas maybe in that hideous abomination "The Ark"(reply to this comment
from David D
Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 13:10

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cassy,
I read your article on Crossfire last night. I want to congratulate you on such a well written article and your guts to stand up and speak out against the madness of the Family.

I would like to ask you for permission to publish this article on my web-site: excog.com

e-mail me at: david@douglass.com or
post a reply to my reply to your post over at Crossfire.

David D
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From cassy
Thursday, February 13, 2003, 13:24

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Yes, please do use it. Fine with me.(reply to this comment
from placebo
Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 12:42

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Just wondering where u were right before u left.
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From cassy
Thursday, February 13, 2003, 13:25

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Write me at celjoz@hotmail.com and I'll let you know.(reply to this comment
from emi
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 19:17

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just wanted to say thanks for writing this! it's great to just be able to hear the facts instead of alot of bitter accusations..
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From MGP
Thursday, February 13, 2003, 13:12

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I'm glad to see you have a structured argument, and thats always hard to refute. The "bitter accusations", are easy to deflect and I find them quite nausiating. So its re-freshing, and I actually found it interesting.

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From please clarify
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This question is both for emi and MGP. I agree with you both that this is a fantastic article. I am just wondering what you are referring to when you both say "bitter accusations." Are you talking about when people tell of having been raped, beaten or otherwise abused in TF?(reply to this comment
From MGP
Thursday, February 13, 2003, 16:44

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I'm refering to people who posts irrational bursts, which are frankly sob stories and belong in the bin. If you can't - then don't. You're playing into the hands of the family by posting your cliched stories.(reply to this comment
From Mir
Thursday, February 13, 2003, 18:40

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MGP, I think you are out of order saying that people who come to this site to air their hurts are "irrational" and that their stories, which in case you forgot, are their chilhoods "belong in the bin". Why are you so harsh? Isn't one of the reasons Jules created this site for that very purpose?(reply to this comment
From MGP
Wednesday, February 19, 2003, 13:12

This thread is in The Trailer Park 
From exotik tom-boy
Thursday, February 13, 2003, 16:54

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define 'cliched stories'?

I hardly think that being carted off to the Mexican teen training camp at 11, then off to the Peru teen combo at 13, and being subjected to sharing schedules, is a cliche! Being beaten by Bill Davis and Jethro in Peru at the age of 2, and then being placed in prison in Mexico at the age of 4 years old does not constitute a 'normal' childhood in my book! Then again, I have to constantly remind myself that most people who post on this site are not as old as I am, therefore they did not share the same experiences that I did in the cog.(reply to this comment
From jez
Thursday, April 01, 2004, 10:40

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I was in mercedes st. Chaclacayo (don't know if that's the spelling) near Lima around 76 so knew Bill Davis, Jethro etc. and saw Paul Bunyan throw Phillip aged 9 onto the stone floor which knocked him out. I am therefore even older than you and so share many of the same experiences. (reply to this comment
From PompousJohn
Friday, February 21, 2003, 08:09

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I was Jailed and deported from Mexico at age 3, maybe we know each other (though I'm sure I wouldn't remember you from then...)I have some vague memories of the raid and the long bus ride to the border, but no names or faces. I'm quite a bit older than most SGA's as well, born in 71 near TSC.(reply to this comment
From MGP
Thursday, February 20, 2003, 17:07

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from EyesWideShut
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 12:04

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Yeah, me too. My parents and my brothers should read this. Good job.
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from snowhite
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 07:20

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wow, you really put your finger on it. i like how you've got all those verses to back it up. i think i'll make a copy of this and pass it to my mom, she really needs it.
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From Isislively
Monday, May 19, 2003, 10:29

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I would, too, but I know it's pointless and will just cause another round of battling that I don't have time to waste on. My mom and dad know my feelings and the facts, but like all COG members, will never admit to any of this, and, believe it or not, I love my parents, and after 10 years of fighting with them about this stuff, I just want them to be happy, which, for some unknown reason, the Family does for them. Now, if my brothers were still in, I'd feel differently, but I succeeded in "poisoning their minds" years ago! Hooray!!(reply to this comment
From AUS
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YEAH, WELL SAID, I REKON THE FAMILY'S WAY OFF TRACK, CERTAINLY ARN'T WHAT THEY CLAIN TO BE ANYWAY...(reply to this comment
From Jana
Sunday, November 14, 2004, 09:22

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Quite an interesting article. I will definitely pass it on to some of my friends who are still "going for the Lord" and who obviously really need the wake-up call. Thanks for posting...(reply to this comment

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