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Getting Real : This Site Sucks
once and for all | from devilcatcher - Friday, April 21, 2006
accessed 1796 times once and for all You narow minded sillky dellicate spirituall babies who miss feading on the right food. Is that straight enough for you.Please tell me where you got that idea that it was a "no no" to go on this site? Once and for all, we ARE ALOWD to go on this site. It is just not recomended. Wake up ye prehistorique animals. Welcome to 2006. We are NOT in the seventies anymore. The family has changed. We have moved on. Is it "sorrys" you want? If you would have read the right things a little more you would of found out that Mama and Peter had said sorry a long time ago for the mistreatments. What else do you want them to do? Go on their hands and knees and beg for your forgivness? It is NOT them who abused those kids. How many of you have goten abused when Mama was in "power" so to speak (That is after the death of Dad). Have you ever heard of the "CHARTER'' or "THE LAW OF LOVE''. WHOEVER abuses a child will be kicked out of the family. What do you have to compain about? Now spear me your sarcastic coments and your trolling stuff and write seriously and do NOT act like inmature kids for once.
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from GenBethlehem
Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 02:33
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Inspiring to see you and Carol bravely fighting...but I think arguing with them senselessly is a waste of time.
Let's put our heads together and think first before we unneccesarily stir shit.
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| from cheeks
Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 08:28
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Actually, if you knew anything at all Zerby has been in control way before Berg passed. Who do you think directed the Family when he was sick and drunk, laid up with all his woman. While it suited Zerby's purpose to stand quietly on the side and not fully in the public eye, she has been a driving force in the Family from very early on. Anyone who has spent any time in the "Kings" household could have told you that.
I would in the future advise you to use spell check as you look like an uneducated idiot, oh wait thats what you are.
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| | | | | | |  From carol234567
Saturday, May 06, 2006, 07:21
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If devilcatcher would use spell check, he'd realize his mistakes, but not only that, he'd see yours definitely. So I advise you to keep comments like that to yourself, and not waste your time, but since you probably aren’t used to taking people’s advice, considering your spelling mistakes, never mind.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | from Rain Child
Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 06:30
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"Silky", yet "Prehistorique"... Hmmm, did you get these new adjectives out of your "how to get things done" spelling list?
Now, I don't come and read your GNs anymore because their content is every bit as offensive to me as what you read on this site is to you. I don't want to hear or know about it, I've got too much living to do. Yet I don't judge you for believing in the GNs, I was once fed that stuff for hours everyday, and believed it just like you. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, I don't care if you want to live the way you want to, and believe what you want to, as long as I don't have to hear the latest beliefs, and my child is never exposed to that lifestyle, I'm perfectly willing to live and let live, and remain friends.
So I think you should adopt my attitude. Choose your own way of thinking, and if this web site offends you, just don't come on it. If you do want to come on and read a little then respect the fact that these are real people, who you used to call your brothers and sisters describing things that did actually happen to them and the resulting life-long implications. I don't think most of us want anything out of you in particular, we just want children to have the right to choose their own path,we want freedom of speech and thought, and the people who suffered don't want their suffering to be swept under a rug just to protect the face of the group which stole their childhoods.
Anyway, peace. Hope you find yourself one day.
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| | | | from clark
Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 13:52
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I don't think we are talking to a real Fam member. Check the profile, it's just too much.
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| | | | from freebee
Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 14:35
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I'm glad you've been able to prove that family members can access this site, yippee for you!!! And for the record I am not pre-historic, in fact, I'm more than likely younger than you. Contrary to what Mr. & Mrs. Zerby are telling you, chocking down mouthfuls of regurgitated vomit from the “kings” mouth does not make you younger (physically or in spirit) and certainly does not make you “stronger” to fight the wiles of the “enemy” on this site.
It may come as a surprise to you, but I’m not your enemy. There really is no need to prove you’re a “club member” by logging on and posting offensive material. Just because you feel others do doesn’t mean you have to as well. Do you really want to put yourself as low as the people you’re trying to respond to? You may want to consider that point before adding anymore of your own.
Furthermore, just because the Zerbie’s have apologized doesn’t mean they meant it. How many times have you said you were sorry just because it was the right thing to do but in your heart you didn’t mean it? Personally I’m not looking for any sympathy, especially not yours. I live a good life, I’m truly happy and am not religiously racist, I hate everyone equally. But trying to excuse the wrong doing of a leader because their fanatical followers practice what their fed is just morally wrong. I don’t care whether you committed a murder or raped or beat a child 25 years ago, it’s just a wrong to day as it was then. Try to remember that. It’s easy to apologize when there are no consequences but if they were truly sorry they wouldn’t be running and hiding like a couple of scared cowardly dogs, would they? Well, I guess it’s up to each one of us to pick our “hero’s,” I’m proud to say mine surely are not the Zerbie’s!!!
P.S. By Zerby I am referring to Maria’s last name, unless she’s changed it again because the Romans are coming, or the “bad guys” if you will.
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| from freebee
Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 14:13
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To the Devil Catcher (aka: The Devil's Own.)
I think now I’m starting to understand, fanaticism breathes life into ignorance. Clearly it is people like you who are keeping the cult alive and pulsating. I had no idea that there was anyone left who was truly as deranged as you appear to be. Firstly, you lost me right from the get go when you started sounding off about this diet called “the right food.” Just what exactly is “the right food?” Is it pornographic, sexually explicit & vulgar spiritualism? I hope that’s not what you had in mind because if that’s what you’re living on you may want to see a doctor. If that’s how you personally grow (spiritually) that’s “great.” But please have some respect for the rest of us and keep it to yourself, we have enough problems of our own.
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| | | | From JohnnieWalker
Friday, April 28, 2006, 13:16
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14,000? Are you sure about that? Because that's not the statistic Peter gave in his last "State of the Nation" GN. It was just under 10,000.
Actually, looking at the data provided at http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Statistics, The Family has been steadily losing about 10% of their membership since 1999. If they keep losing members at that rate, they'll be at about half their current population in 12 years.
They don't have as many babies as they used to and the number of new disciples every year is down to a mere handfull--not to mention the fact that the baby boomers are going to start croaking within the next 10 to 15 years--so I doubt they'll be around as a group in a couple of decades.
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| | | | | from heads up
Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 14:01
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BBC Four now (10pm) 'Philip and his seven wifes'...creepy berg like character.
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Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 13:41
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It's simply not good enough that you chuck abusers out into our, sorry..everyones society-you NOW value your children (as you claim) yet, no one elses. And you lot think you're setting an example (sample) to the world. Please!
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| from Randi
Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 13:36
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To Devil catcher...why don't go to the bathroom and pretend that you have a ---- and that Jesus is thrusting it with his mighty ----. (not even I utter those words, and I'm not religeous) Like your long haired ugly king and his blind bleeding queen, you might even have the pleasure of feeling "undulations in your pelvic region" ( I read that in one of your sick UNGODLY GNs. I can't believe you guys actually read that and feel "fed." Talk about a spiritually unhealthy diet!!)
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| from Randi
Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 13:20
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I don't think that begging on their hands and knees is sufficient enough....not at all.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | from Randi
Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 13:20
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I don't think that begging on their hands and knees is sufficient enough....not at all.
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| from David Berg
Monday, April 24, 2006 - 18:54
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"after the death of Dad"
What the hell is that supposed to mean? Just because I'm dead what I said doesn't matter anymore? Don't you still believe I was God's prophet? And just for the record, Maria was all for the Law of love, you really need to catch up on your Mo-letters. I think I made it pretty clear.
"There's nothing in the world at all wrong with sex as long as it's practiced in love, whatever it is or whoever it's with, no matter who or what age or what relative or what manner!"
You remember that? What about this one?
" I hope all of our young kids have plenty of sex. I hope they won't have all those frustrations, inhibitions, phobias, neuroses & whatnot from sex deprivation demanded by the System!"
Maria was totally down, here's what she had to say.
".....having sex. It's pure to us, there's nothing wrong with it, so we let our kids be in on it, we let them get in on it if they want, we even play it with them because it's nice, it makes them feel good & they enjoy it.”
OK, so If you disagree that's fine. But don't go calling yourselves my followers and recant everything we tried to teach you.
Seriously, you hurt my feelings.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | from Selfish Systemite
Monday, April 24, 2006 - 13:39
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“A growing body of research links childhood experiences of abuse and neglect with serious life-long problems including depression, suicide, alcoholism and drug abuse, and major medical problems such as heart disease, cancer, and diabetes. Two basic processes, neurodevelopment and psychosocial development, are affected by early abuse and neglect. Scientists have begun to understand the mechanisms through which these adverse experiences alter child development and produce pernicious mental, medical, and social outcomes.” (Read more in Juvenile and Family Court Journal, Winter 2006).
Ricky killed Angela and himself because his developing brain was permanently and irretrievably traumatized by Mama, Grandpa, and Peter. Merry Berg's brain was systematically destroyed by Mama and Grandpa, who used demon possession as an excuse for their crimes. You can read their own words about what they did to Ricky and Mene at xfamily.
Every time anyone from your sick Family ends up in jail, a psychiatric unit, or dead on a morgue slab, selfish systemites like me pick up the cost of an criminally irresponsible social experiment. “I’m sorry” doesn’t pay medical bills, jocko. “We don’t do that any more,” means nothing to people living with behavioral health and medical conditions that stem from complex trauma. Besides that, where's the evidence of change? A piece of paper called The Charter that a sociopathic control freak can change at will? If you feel so frickin' safe in TFI, why are you trying to convince people here that the past doesn't matter?
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| from Jedran
Monday, April 24, 2006 - 04:29
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I thought of replying to this post but the spelling was just too atrocious that I had to comment on it instead.
Dude, get a dictionary and stick to spelling in one language and not mixing the two up. Bilingual means you can speak, read and write in two languages fluently not mix two languages successfully.
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| | | | from the antichrist
Monday, April 24, 2006 - 03:02
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First of all its strikes me as strange that you would refer to a comeplete stranger as mama. Would this not be adaquate proof of your total blind devotion to an emty cause and lack of being able to make your own decisions I mean who or what is really in controll of your brain? Im all grown up, I don't need a mama or a grandpa or a heavenly father up in the sky. There is simply a level of mental maturity and understanding that can never be achieved inside the family exept may be the man(men) at the top of this pyramid shaped society - Your entire system of thought is built on sex and lies and if not lies then just pure nonsense.
Inside your society children are actually discouraged from thinking creatively is forbidden, doubt is forbidden music is all but forbidden. This is meant to keep you meek, small and lowly, a benign shadow of the man you are capable of being. Assuming there is a God and this god endowed you with the power to think, to asses, to value, to judge. Is it then not an unforgivable sin to try to remove from children the power to reason???????????To stop them from cultivating a sense of independance, an ability to asses the world freely? Is your faith so weak that it can be shattered by knowlegde of the world? And must constantly be renewed by another helping of the "word". And if God speaks to you, why then do still listen to what you are constantly being spoonfed like a baby. Your body has grown but deep inside you are still small, a pile of nonsense with a shroud of human skin. Your soul is not saved, more presumably it has already been destroyed, swallowed up consumed whole to serve Berg's (NOT "grandpa" he not a prophet, he's not some supernatural being he's a man, an old fucking pervert) EGO.
And you can try to twist things around saying all that went wrong and goes wrong is not the family's fault but in the end the family is a system of controll, controll of information, controll of thought, controll of everything humanly thinkable. Its an attack, an attack on all mental fronts. And no apology will ever make up for the years of mental and physical abuse that people recieved in the family. So I would like to see the culprites punished and severely and legally before poeple start taking matters into their own hands. And I'm also pointing my fingers at you the parents of children who you abuse, mislead, damage, withhold information from, and lie to. No amount of "prayer" or "repentance" or "heavenly forgiveness" will save you from whats coming to you.
I dare you I doubledare all of you family sheep, chickens and other farm animals to formulate an answer to my criticism that does not include the words Jesus, Mama, Grandpa, Word, Bible, Backsliding or any other programmistic jibberish lingo.
Im right here convert me, save my soul, stop me from listening to the devil, tune me into heavens channel, take me away from me and put me into zerb's controll.
I dare you I doubledare you in full sincerity reason with me prove me wrong. I know you can't.
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| from jenna
Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 17:56
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first of all mister ,,moron, I've left the family in 2002 so it hasn't changed that much since then ( I still have members of my fam in the shithole) And of that i'm pretty sure.
you ask us why we fight against you're '' goodie goodie'' cult , i'll tell you why! Because no matter how many ( forced apologies ) are made, the ones that are responsable for the infractions of the law are still out there ( they may be excomunicated , but still aren't in jail , cause if the family would have a policy of putting them in jail, the leaders would be the first to be sent there
And since you say the family is so open now and so good, how come you don't even know about the FD original beliefs ( that sex is ok with minors ) they have only said it was wrong cause they were forced to, ( it took them years to admit it)
Dude i've lived in the fam, for 17 yrs (and i'm only 21 ) i was born in1985 and remeber my bro getting beaten up till i was 14, i was sexually abused by three different men at the age of (7) (9) (13).So dude do your math and see that even after the Fd put out the charter i was still being abused .....
How can Zerby suddenly tell people to stop doing what she said was a good thing to do? they'll allways think that its ok as long as people don't know about it, and they put those things in the charter so they won't have to face another court case, not because they think its wrong ! (why do you think there's so many changes in the Family ?) it certainly isn't to protect any of you poor deluded family members ,i mean do i have to explain some more, dude if you say you're 28 and still in the family, its one thing or another or you are just to lazy and scared to get out, cause you are a little wimp that just hates thinking for himself or you believe that god will hate you and curse you if you leave his first and best will !!!!!We ( i can't speak for all of you) want zerby and her minions in jail , she can't just simply apologies, for other people when she is one of the worst abusers of them all, and like the old saying goes sorry dosen't fix it....
the only place that saying you're sorry works is in the FD , out here you've gotta prove it, and sometimes it doesn't work either.. that's all we want , if they say they are so sorry for what they did why don't they just come clean , even if it takes some of them being in prison. i mean they would really be sorry, i'm sure about that!!
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| from Fish
Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 08:49
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PRAISE THE LORD!!!!
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| from Jesus Crust
Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 23:56
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“Spear” thee their “sarcastic comments”? How is it that thou can come here asking that nobody should act immaturely, when thou doth know that thou gotta be a baby to go to heaven. Doth thou not want them to go to heaven? Verily I say unto thee, I hath a millstone and a large salty body of water with thy name on it if this is so.
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| from venus_fly_trap
Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 11:11
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You guys, this is not a "Family" member. The spelling is purposefully incorrect and is an attempt to make a joke of cult members. We had one also earlier this week. Cult members lives are this sad yes, but my instinct tells me we are answering someone who is not in the cult, who bored and looking for something to do.
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| from Lance
Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 02:23
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once(Once) and for all(Insert period or exclamation point) You narrow(narrow) minded silky(silky) delicate(delicate) spirituall(Spiritual) babies who miss feading(feeding) on the right food(This what is called a run-on sentence, e.g. no commas. Not bad for verbally conveying a plethora of words when a single word will do. But this is terrible form when used for writing). Is that straight enough for you.(please use a question mark when asking a question.)Please tell me where you got that idea that it was a "no no" to go on this site?(I’m sure that some one was just being sarcastic. And please avoid using such childish language when dealing with adults) Once and for all, we ARE ALOWD(allowed) to go on this site.(This is a fragmented sentence) It is just not recommended(recommended). Wake up ye prehistorique(Prehistoric) animals.(All humans are animals by definition. So I’m not really sure if this is supposed to be an insult or a keen observation.) Welcome to 2006.(incomplete sentence) We are NOT in the seventies anymore.(incomplete sentence) The family has changed.(ANOTHER INCOMPLETE SENTENCE) We have moved on.(ANOTHER FREAKING INCOMPLETE SENTENCE) Is it "sorrys"(I’m not even sure if Sorrys is a word) you want? If you would have read the right things a little more you would of found out that Mama and Peter had said sorry a long time ago for the mistreatments. What else do you want them to do? Go on their hands and knees and beg for your forgivness?(Forgiveness) It is NOT them who abused those kids. How many of you have gotten(It’s spelled: Gotten, and shouldn’t be used when Had Been will do just fine) abused when Mama was in "power"(The use of quotation marks for single words are one of my most hated of writing infractions. Using quotations for single words denotes either irony or sarcasm, and nothing else!! Every time you do this, try picturing the term So-called in front of it and you’ll get what I mean.) so to speak (That is after the death of Dad). Have you ever heard of the "CHARTER'' or "THE LAW OF LOVE''.(Again with the quotation marks. (Neither of these are direct quotations. So are you presenting an irony, or are you being sarcastic?) WHOEVER abuses a child will be kicked out of the family.(How about you turn them over to the authorities AND kick them out….ARGH!!!!) What do you have to compain(Complain) about? Now spear me your sarcastic coments(Comments)(Wait! You want us to “Spear” our sarcastic comments for you?)(Notice the sarcastic tone in the quotation marks?) and your trolling stuff and write seriously and do NOT act like immature(Immature) kids for once.(well I don’t think I got all the errors. But judging from your poor writing skills, I think we all know who is the immature one).
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| | | | from creeped out
Friday, April 21, 2006 - 18:02
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What is is that give me the creeps about the word "ye" instead of "you" or "you all," you guys," "you all," or even "y'all?"
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| | | | from AndyH
Friday, April 21, 2006 - 17:10
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Devilcatcher,
Why the hostility? I thought that you still loved us and wanted to get through to us. I don't really hear any love in your words, more foaming at the mouth. If you are right, you have no need to be angry.
What is it that you want from us? To be silent and not express what we feel? Do you think that will happen? Do you see how you are being unfair? You come to site and bash us all, even those of us who have never uttered a negative word against you, and that's fine, you have that luxury. Are we afforded the same freedoms on MyConclusion?
Basically my point is: I am willing to calmly listen and respect facts, you are not.
In respect to solemn, although I often hear reference to this apology that was supposedly issued, I have never seen it nor know anyone who has. So no, I have never received an apology for being mistreated.
Also, you say that Maria and Peter are not the ones who abused those kids. That's strange, because they said to Lord Justice Ward under oath that they did. I wonder why they would do that.
I am asking you, please, help clear this up for me. I have so many questions.
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| | | | | | | | | | from JohnnieWalker
Friday, April 21, 2006 - 16:38
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That's funny, dude. Are you sure you're 28? Because anyone that old would remember this stuff. Anyway, here goes:
Maria was the person who initiated the Victor Program. She was the one who got the DTR started (which even current Family members will tell you was a miserable time). She was the person who published the Story of Davidito. Need I continue?
A word of advice, if I may: Some of us are as old or older than you. We were there. We've done our reasearch. We're not as dumb and immature as your leaders make us out to be. Most of us have taken the time to study The Family and its history in depth and have questioned ourselves and the reasons behind our speaking out.
Come on, man. Do you seriously think that people become imbeciles if they leave the Family?
You know, I'll bet you anything that if you got to know some of us in person, you wouldn't be half as arrogant as you are now.
If the age in your profile is accurate, then I'm the same age as you are, and honestly, you sound like you have a lot of growing up to do.
Cheers,
--Stephan
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