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from Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 10:08 (Agree/Disagree?) I disagree that leaving them (TFI) alone is the answer. (reply to this comment)

from MFAH Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 05:50 (Agree/Disagree?) Mia, this site makes for good reading at times. It is also informative. I have learned though, that a lot of the members are very, very uptight. They will bash your personlity, and yes, even skills as a parent, at the slightest sign that you are not as uptight as they are. God forbid you make a joke, or have a laugh about what happened in the Family, but , most of all, if there is even the slightest sign of typos, or spelling errors, a lot of people are so dense, they will miss the whole point of what you are trying to say, and spend the rest of their day correcting you. Like we haven't had enough of THAT in our lives already! So I say to you. Ignore. and most of all, don't say you are sorry! (reply to this comment)

from mia1 Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 11:32 (Agree/Disagree?) u know for the record I don't think this site sucks and I wasn't trying to discount any of the stories and experiences that I have read about I personally have a problem with my parents and how their desicions affected my 10 plus siblings. I have kids and I cannot fathom how they could of sat by and let things happen, even when the fam was no longer in the picture. I had no intention of offening anyone. (reply to this comment)

From GoldenMic Saturday, May 21, 2005, 11:59 (Agree/Disagree?) If I am understanding you, I think you are saying here that your original post was an expression of frustration at the parents in particular, and that right now you personally are less concerned with all the others that act abusively, and more concerned with the issue of understanding how a parent could so blithely betray the fundamental parent-child bond. In a way, that may be the greatest horror of all, that a fanatical loyalty to the cult can actually result in the complete severing of a parent's ability and desire to protect their child(ren). Having been a child of a cult, it was only when I had children there, and began to contemplate the idea that my own babies would be subjected to the life (lifelessness) that I had felt for years, that I knew I had to leave. Ten years later, my Mom also left the cult, and she was so screwed up that I couldn't even expect her to deal with the horror of what she had done; it took all her will to live another day. Now, in the last few years, she has had the courage to look at it, but I can also tell that she will never fully understand how and why she allowed us children to be so badly damaged. It is such a tregedy, and the pain of it will never fully end. Frankly, if you are able to spare your own children that horror, you will have given them a gift that many of us would pay almost any price to have recieved.(reply to this comment)

From conan Thursday, May 19, 2005, 15:34 (Agree/Disagree?) So then what the fuck was your point when you had the oh so brilliant idea of writing and posting your idiotic article in the first place if the above is your disclaimer?? You seem like quite the idiot...too bad you have kids! God (imaginary friend for grown-ups) only knows how they'll turn out with you as a mother figure. Holy shit that's a scary thought.(reply to this comment)

From same Saturday, May 21, 2005, 08:40 (Agree/Disagree?) c, you're seriously fucked.(reply to this comment)

From mia1 Friday, May 20, 2005, 19:24 (Agree/Disagree?) Look, I don't know you!!!! I don't know what kind of person you are and if I did I wouldn't insult you to your face. Your comment hurt, yeah right everyone has the right to say whatever the fuck they want as long as they agree with jackasses like you. I am not nor have I every professed to be the greatest mother but I do work 2 jobs working morning till night to make sure my kids get what they need and want. I got on this site because I wanted to know how others who have left are dealing. Yeah I'm uneducated and stupid, but I won't let that stop me from accomplishing my goals. If wasn't my fault that I was never given a decent education but it was my fault that I have kids and I will do whatever it takes to care for them the best I can. Two words asshole FUCK YOU!(reply to this comment)

From vixen Saturday, May 21, 2005, 08:05 (Agree/Disagree?) Mia, you should never say that you're stupid! I'm sure you're not! (reply to this comment)

From xolox Friday, May 20, 2005, 23:52 (Agree/Disagree?) In my exeperience and dealings with stupid idiots, (which is unfortunately vast), I find they are too stupid to recognize the fatal flaw in themselves. Ignorance is possible to remedy with some study, stupidity is not. Educate yourself. Admiting you're stupid reeks of surrender to the condition, and really, who needs a stupid parent!? My father is educated in psychology, and yet, he joined a cult. See what I'm getting at? (reply to this comment)

From jez Thursday, June 02, 2005, 09:10 (Agree/Disagree?) IM(humble)O the only people who, on having been in TF long enough to get past whatever the current term for 'babe' is and remain, are either stupid or evil. To me TF is the epitome of evil and should be a footnote in the dictionary's definition of evil. With regard to the preponderance of many exers to belittle those, who on leaving, have settled for less than high-flying careers (myself being one of the above), I repudiate by saying: "I didn't leave TF to become rich, but to be free." Not to mention giving my children a better chance in life than my parents gave me. I'm proud to say they're both at college and doing well, ta very much!(reply to this comment)

From lu Thursday, June 02, 2005, 12:17 (Agree/Disagree?) I agree with you Jez. A footnote in the dictionary definition of evil: the variety of evil that uses a disguise of sainthood to get away with its operations. I also left TF to be free, free of a life I happened to be born into but went against everything human in me. Back when I left, it took real opposition to TF leave as an SG. I had no examples of people who went before me and had completed studies, etc., all there were was Traumatic Testimonies. With that as the option presented to me, I decided that it would be no worse than my life in The Family. I felt that to stay would take living against my conscience -- a living death. If I left there was a chance I would survive and at least I would have tried.(reply to this comment)

From dalai pot lama Friday, May 20, 2005, 20:08 (Agree/Disagree?) WORD!!(reply to this comment)

From Valley girl Friday, May 20, 2005, 19:53 (Agree/Disagree?) Respect! You go girl!!!! (reply to this comment)

From Thursday, May 19, 2005, 22:42 (Agree/Disagree?) What the hell are you attacking her skills as a mother for just because you happen to disagree with her. You cant even see she has a fucking point if our "shit for brains "parents haden't left us in the cult in the first place we woulden't be here today..it is ultimatly their responsibiltiy to look out for the welfare of their children.(reply to this comment)

From conan Friday, May 20, 2005, 07:37 (Agree/Disagree?) You gutless, no name replying shit-head! I was attacking her mothering skills for a few reasons; one, she can't spell, punctuate or construct a sentence in English that actually makes sense, and two: she doesn’t seem to be able to make up her mind as to whether she likes this site, hates it, both, or neither. Plus she doesn’t know if she blames TF, her parents, our ‘uncles and aunties’ or god (God). All in all, she’s so mixed up and deluded and, dare I say it, dumb, that it’s a scary thought knowing that she has kids and will attempt to raise them. (reply to this comment)

From Saturday, May 21, 2005, 12:31 (Agree/Disagree?) So, thats what makes her bad mother? I can think of a lot worse than that. The fact that she may still be trying to screw her head on straight after years of being mentally fucked over in the cult can account for her being mixed up and deluded. I take it your not a parent so I dont see how your opinon even counts. It isent the fault of the abused person that they were abused and in this case it isent mia's fault that she not a perfect mom..but hell you seem to think it is, attacking & insulting her. You have no idea what makes a good mother. Shes trying to get her life in order why dont you fuck off, take the reed out of your ass Conan, and dont worry about mia and her mothering skills. (reply to this comment)

From conan Friday, May 20, 2005, 07:44 (Agree/Disagree?) Oh, and by the way, the people you called ‘uncle’ and ‘auntie’ were parents to some other molested, abused, tortured little kid in the cult. So open your fucking eyes and use some (apparently not so) common sense and you’ll realize that everyone in that cult had as much to do with the fragile state of mind we currently posses as your flesh and blood parents. I’m not defending mine. I’ve made it pretty clear on this site what I think of my parents (who are still in) but your block-headed close-minded approach is just pathetic.(reply to this comment)

From no name replyer Saturday, May 21, 2005, 08:39 (Agree/Disagree?) Conan, and I'm sure that's your name, it's unbelieveable, even considering your hand.me.down heritage from a site icon, that you shamelessly trash a person's self esteem and personal efforts. More than any other single thing, that relentless, harsh, piercing attack on the core of a person's being is the cause for most of the lost, confused, fearful elements in a life without success. It is the reason options circle a person rather than stand still and be chosen. Its the reason the eyes are cast down so that they can't see the options. Sappy compliments aren't it either, just speak to the soul of a person or don't speak, because you aren't helping, and what's more - one of your pet peeves - you aren't saying anything that hasn't been covered many times.(reply to this comment)

From xolox Thursday, May 19, 2005, 16:05 (Agree/Disagree?) "God (imaginary friend for grown-ups)..."-LOL Now where have I heard THAT little gem before...?(reply to this comment)

From Solo Thursday, May 19, 2005, 16:40 (Agree/Disagree?) Yo that comment God an Imaginary friend for grownups is from the big Bounce. Just in case you are interested I couldn't decide whether you were being Sarcastic or didn't know. So if I helped you out great if I didn't well tough.(reply to this comment)

From xolox Thursday, May 19, 2005, 17:56 (Agree/Disagree?) Well, just in case the tone AND the wording didn't clue you in, I was being a wee bit sarcastic. Thanks for the heads up though. :)(reply to this comment)

From Solo Friday, May 20, 2005, 08:37 (Agree/Disagree?) Umm saw the wording, didn't hear the tone. :P(reply to this comment)

From One who doesn't know Thursday, May 19, 2005, 17:34 (Agree/Disagree?) Hey, what's wrong with imaginary friends? If it wasn't for them, I would have no friends at all! (reply to this comment)

from Ne Oublie Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 03:21 (Agree/Disagree?) I agree that there is an argument that the more attention is given TF, the more it feeds their persecution complex, and by extension, their perception of their own significance. (reply to this comment)

From Removed Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 03:29 (Agree/Disagree?) [Removed at author's request] (reply to this comment)

from mia1 Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 21:00 (Agree/Disagree?) sorry about the grammer it was really late........:) (reply to this comment)

From Removed Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 03:09 (Agree/Disagree?) [Removed at author's request] (reply to this comment)

from Valley girl Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 03:05 (Agree/Disagree?) Like totally whatever! So like I'm sitting in the mall the other day and like my friend Buffy says to me "Hey, Tiff" (my name is Tiffany, but, like, my friends call me Tiff), "have you ever heard of this mega-like-wierd cult thingy called the Family International?" Helloooo, who does she think she's talking to -- Miss Uninformed? It's not like *I* wasn't the one who told her all about the time I caught HER ex-boyfriend Brian making out with that heifer cheerleader last week. Anyway, I told her how I had gone over to Jeff's house (he's, like, a total stud puppy) and asked him to show me this cult stuff. I was like "oh my gawd, only a total dweeb would like this" because none of this stuff made ANY sense. Everyone was, like, TOTALLY talking in languages that made no sense... there was all this wierd like billy shakespeare talk about like sex with kids and he was like...and I was like...and we were all like OH MY GAAWD. Like aunties and like uncles...like totally boring freakazoids. Like Hello we all like have choices. Anyway (tossing ponytail back), Mia, if you wanna like be a total valley girl then you need to like study the like 80's and Oh my Gaawd like get with the program. Whatever Yours Totally, Tiff (reply to this comment)

From xolox Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 08:32 (Agree/Disagree?) I can only think of three resons for this nonsence: 1: You're fourteen. 2:This is some kind of lame joke. And 3: You're just stupid. So, what's the winning number? (reply to this comment)

From fragiletiger Saturday, May 21, 2005, 03:30 (Agree/Disagree?) You obviously haven't seen Little Brit(reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 11:17 (Agree/Disagree?) I dunno what's worse: writing that post, or coming up with a multiple choice list of reasons for doing so!(reply to this comment)

From xolox Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 22:06 (Agree/Disagree?) Oh, Oh, I know this one! What's worse is the oral flatlulence that passes for your response. Ass.(reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 01:49 (Agree/Disagree?) Maybe I should have clarified: I'm not looking for an answer, since I don't CARE which one is worse! However seeing as I have only typed my response, and not vocalised it, it cannot be described as 'oral' anything.(reply to this comment)

From xolox Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 08:42 (Agree/Disagree?) Hey dimwit! It was gratuitous, you need request nothing. You are right however, when it comes to the "oral" thing. Sadly, your remark still reeks of flatulence.(reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 08:57 (Agree/Disagree?) Might I recommend a sanitation of your computer/monitor/keyboard, or perhaps a spray of air-freshener, to address the pungent smell. Last I checked there was as yet no widespread method for the transmission of smells online.(reply to this comment)

From xolox Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 10:51 (Agree/Disagree?) Well it would seem you've just discovered one.(reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 11:24 (Agree/Disagree?) I take it then, that pursuant to this public admission of my discovery that you will support my claim to royalties for any and all future transmissions of scent following my technique of typed comments?(reply to this comment)

From roughneck Sunday, May 22, 2005, 09:36 (Agree/Disagree?) I guess you'd have to be a Tory to be proud of inventing a method for disseminating ass-fragranced comments to anonymous internet users, eh? ;)(reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Sunday, May 22, 2005, 12:42 (Agree/Disagree?) I don't need to be proud of it to want to capitalise on it!(reply to this comment)

From neez Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 19:02 (Agree/Disagree?) Mines bigger then yours.(reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Thursday, May 19, 2005, 04:05 (Agree/Disagree?) I'm glad you're able to derive so much pleasure for yourself from it!(reply to this comment)

From neez Thursday, May 19, 2005, 22:09 (Agree/Disagree?) I was referring to my thesaurus. No pleasure there I'm afraid.(reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Friday, May 20, 2005, 02:45 (Agree/Disagree?) ... and with global access to unlimited information online you can't even claim pride in accuracy either.(reply to this comment)

From neez Friday, May 20, 2005, 19:05 (Agree/Disagree?) Well I dont know about "unlimited information". For instance I just did a quick search for 'why is Ne Oublie such a humourless drop-kick' and I didn't find a thing.(reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Saturday, May 21, 2005, 09:05 (Agree/Disagree?) I guess not even the internet can find a logic to back up your attempt at an insult.(reply to this comment)

From neez Saturday, May 21, 2005, 19:23 (Agree/Disagree?) Is there some sort of 'logic search engine' I didn't know about?(reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Sunday, May 22, 2005, 03:18 (Agree/Disagree?) There are a lot of things you don't know about! And if you have to refer to the internet for your source of logic, then there's not much use me continuing this banter with you.(reply to this comment)

From neez Sunday, May 22, 2005, 19:11 (Agree/Disagree?) You said "not even the internet can find a logic to back up your attempt at an insult" as if the net was somehow the apex of logicality. As far as I know the net has no logic. Which would make it kind of impossible for me to refer to it as the source of my logic.(reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Monday, May 23, 2005, 01:29 (Agree/Disagree?) I'm not the one who tried to find the answer online to 'why is Ne Oublie such a humourless drop-kick'. Nor was I the one who used my inability to find it to back up my claim that I have the 'bigger' thesaurus.(reply to this comment)

From neez Monday, May 23, 2005, 21:10 (Agree/Disagree?) Ok Neoub, I guess I'll have to spell it out for you. As you should've guessed had you thought about it logically, I didn't really google that sentence. And as far as my 'claim' of who has the bigger thesaurus. That was also a joke, and as such requires no backing up. If you'd used logic, you might have come to the conclusion that I couldn't possibly know how big your thesaurus is. If I did I could've picked it up and thrown it at you. For a brit your sense of humour is definately a few pints short of a pub.(reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Tuesday, May 24, 2005, 12:13 (Agree/Disagree?) Oh, you were JOKING? See, I never would have thought of that!(reply to this comment)

From neez Tuesday, May 24, 2005, 21:11 (Agree/Disagree?) Yeah thats what I figured.(reply to this comment)

From a little kitten Tuesday, May 24, 2005, 03:07 (Agree/Disagree?) You're looking pretty tasty right about now, neez...(reply to this comment)

From neez Tuesday, May 24, 2005, 21:16 (Agree/Disagree?) But will you still think that in the morning?(reply to this comment)

From Jerseygirl Wednesday, May 25, 2005, 03:32 (Agree/Disagree?) I think about you every morning neez.......ooops there I go again!(reply to this comment)

From neez Wednesday, May 25, 2005, 19:20 (Agree/Disagree?) I'm shocked Jersey. I only think about you once a week...usually on a tuesday.(reply to this comment)

From kitten Wednesday, May 25, 2005, 03:46 (Agree/Disagree?) Ok Jers, let's share him!(reply to this comment)

From neezy Wednesday, May 25, 2005, 19:15 (Agree/Disagree?) I'll drink to that.(reply to this comment)

From xolox Sunday, May 22, 2005, 11:23 (Agree/Disagree?) You're such a moron... there was never any sense in any of this "banter" in the first place.(reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Sunday, May 22, 2005, 12:53 (Agree/Disagree?) Awww, you must be scraping the bottom of the barrel if you're down to throwing around cheap insults and 'bad names'.(reply to this comment)

From neez Sunday, May 22, 2005, 19:14 (Agree/Disagree?) The best beer's at the bottom of the vat.(reply to this comment)

From xolox Sunday, May 22, 2005, 13:26 (Agree/Disagree?) Nah! There's no need to use any real cleverness when dealing with a idiot of your caliber. ;)(reply to this comment)

From xolox Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 11:55 (Agree/Disagree?) Sure thing! Now you go ahead and run along now.(reply to this comment)

From valley girl Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 23:13 (Agree/Disagree?) OH my GAWD! Like, can't we all just like get along.(reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 01:52 (Agree/Disagree?) Don't worry valley girl, I bear the collection of letters that are 'xolox' no ill-will.(reply to this comment)

From xolox Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 08:47 (Agree/Disagree?) Same goes for Ne O. (...We are the knights who say 'Ne') Surely a few (mean) digs won't jeopardize the perfect lay of your peroxidized fur ;)(reply to this comment)

From Valley girl Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 03:25 (Agree/Disagree?) OMG because I like totally thought you were like being mean. Thank you like so much for like clearing that up for me. Now I can go the mall with a clean conscience knowing that there is like world peace. Why don't you like come down to the mall so we can like get to know eachother over a game of pacman. OMG like, at the mall they have these bitchin' sunglasses...and like I really think today that like I need to make them totally mine. Nyway, I gotta go because my neck is like starting to hurt from like my head bobbing all over the place when I say like and totally. Wishing World Peace to you all!!! VG (reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 03:48 (Agree/Disagree?) Alas, I fear my own use of language lacks the required punctuations of 'like' and 'totally' as to prohibit easy communication with yourself, or any fellow-pacman-player. Perhaps, in order to address the diversity of language used in this forum, a code could be written to either insert or remove the punctuating instances of 'like' and 'totally', thereby enabling us all to better understand each other. (Once this has been perfected, I'm sure a prototype 'global translator' could be designed which I could then wear on my suit lapel a-la-Star Trek.)(reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 03:50 (Agree/Disagree?) ... at which point I will gladly meet with you at the mall of your choosing to discuss World Peace, or any other suitable topic.(reply to this comment)

From Removed Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 03:31 (Agree/Disagree?) [Removed at author's request] (reply to this comment)

From spelling Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 11:07 (Agree/Disagree?) nonsense(reply to this comment)

From valley girl Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 10:58 (Agree/Disagree?) Honey, Beginning an article with "like whatever" and ending it with "whatever" constitutes a valley girl response. So in answer to your very serious multiple choice I would have to say...A valley girl is by definition stupid! Loosen up..get laid or whatever it takes. Multiple choice: A: get a sense of humor B: define sarcasm C: Move to a metropolitan city which is "on the map" in countries other than America D: Are you Mia? If so...I would lose "like" & "whatever" Totally, Like Oh MY GAWD! (reply to this comment)

From class A Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 23:11 (Agree/Disagree?) bitch(reply to this comment)

From Valley girl Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 23:15 (Agree/Disagree?) Like Totally!!!(reply to this comment)

from SeanSwede Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 01:03 (Agree/Disagree?) Yeah right. Whatever! (reply to this comment)

From Jana Thursday, June 02, 2005, 06:58 (Agree/Disagree?) three words... god bless america! (reply to this comment)

From ladida... Thursday, June 02, 2005, 07:00 (Agree/Disagree?) oh and i so agree with yr statement about that valley girl shit... she deff sounds like a widdle virginal prebubescent 12 year old who needs to use the bathroom...... but god bless her anyway. praise the good lawd............(reply to this comment)

From mur mur Thursday, June 02, 2005, 08:02 (Agree/Disagree?) I wish I had grown up somewherewhere prepubescent 12 year olds were allowed to be virginal. Sigh...(reply to this comment)

From ladida... Thursday, June 02, 2005, 07:00 (Agree/Disagree?) oh and i so agree with yr statement about that valley girl shit... she deff sounds like a widdle virginal prebubescent 12 year old who needs to use the bathroom...... but god bless her anyway. praise the good lawd............(reply to this comment)