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from AndyH Saturday, November 04, 2006 - 11:54 (Agree/Disagree?) No matter how calloused I get, reading a personal account always leaves me pretty pissed off. Shaka, I wish them slow painful deaths. Since no violent recourse is available to me, I'm going to go and get blind drunk. (reply to this comment)

From Shaka Saturday, November 04, 2006, 12:37 (Agree/Disagree?) Not me dude. That's my buddy Chris Rudow aka shikaka. I'm Johnny Gill aka Shaka. But yeah, I also get rabidly homicidal every time I hear another story of those sick fucks. I can't get blind drunk though. Fucking Middle East.(reply to this comment)

From AndyH Saturday, November 04, 2006, 15:07 (Agree/Disagree?) Talk to the NG, when I was at Marez, they convoyed into town for the sole purpose of buying crates of whiskey. They sold it to us and good times were had by all. Also, we got a lot of liquor in the Mail. It's very hard for them to catch that. (reply to this comment)

from James Peter.Jr (aka Lawrence) Saturday, November 04, 2006 - 10:38 (Agree/Disagree?) steven.douglas.kelly@hotmail.com He is the one you might be able to send your complaints to and perhaps air out some feelings on the whole thing. (reply to this comment)

from exister Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 08:52 (Agree/Disagree?) It took much courage for you to write these things out in such great detail. Every time someone does this it adds to the real record of the sociolgical aberration that was The Family. This brings us closer to "The Reckoning." Good job! (reply to this comment)

From Samuel Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 09:06 (Agree/Disagree?) Hey, Exister! How is your lawsuit going? Do you need affidavits also? I sent you an e-mail about mine about a week ago and you never answered. If you didn't get my e-mail, please let me know. I know you and I argue a lot on this site, but there is a time to set aside our differences and work together for the common good. My email address is JesusFreak80@verizon.net(reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 16:52 (Agree/Disagree?) Ever considered getting a new address? Gmail is a good - free - option.(reply to this comment)

From Samuel Sunday, November 05, 2006, 14:52 (Agree/Disagree?) Does Gmail automatically save copies of e-mails you send? AOL did that when I had it. Verizon isn't doing that for me. And if I open up another window to try to find other info, get my facts straight, or just copy and paste something, the service makes me sign back in when I try to "Send" the e-mail, and the e-mail I wrote is nowhere to be found. I'm looking for a new e-mail service. (reply to this comment)

From Ne Oublie Sunday, November 05, 2006, 15:12 (Agree/Disagree?) Yes, Gmail saves your emails, and it does a pretty good job of auto-saving while you're working as well.(reply to this comment)

From Yahoo Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 17:13 (Agree/Disagree?) Y - You A - Always H - Have O - Other O - Options (reply to this comment)

From Shaka Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 09:28 (Agree/Disagree?) HOLY SHIT!! Is that e-mail for real dude?(reply to this comment)

From Samuel Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 10:09 (Agree/Disagree?) It sure is. It's named after a song by DC Talk. Unfortunately when I signed up for Verizon, someone had already taken JesusFreak, so I had to add 80 to the end, the year I was born.(reply to this comment)

From smashingrrl Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 21:51 (Agree/Disagree?) Samuel, just when I start gaining the smallest ounce of respect for you, you go and advertise something like that. What the fuck? Are you serious? Not only are you serious; but when Verizon shot you down on the first attempt, you actually thought of another way to nail it? I think my head's gonna explode.(reply to this comment)

From Samuel Thursday, November 02, 2006, 05:26 (Agree/Disagree?) They must not have been that bad. Their "Jesus Freak" album won a Grammy in 1996 for Best Gospel Rock Album. I guess I should have known when I signed up for Verizon, then, that someone would already have that name : o ) Okay, I have to go to work. Peace out.(reply to this comment)

From Shaka Thursday, November 02, 2006, 08:12 (Agree/Disagree?) There's the problem right there. "Best Gospel Rock Album". Since there's no such thing as good gospel rock, the judges just have to pick the least shitty one and go with that. (reply to this comment)

From Baxter Tuesday, November 14, 2006, 02:33 (Agree/Disagree?) What was that line from Hank in 'King of the Hill': 'Don't you realise you're not making Christianity any better, you're making Rock worse?'.(reply to this comment)

From smashingrrl Thursday, November 02, 2006, 08:00 (Agree/Disagree?) For the record. Milli fucking Vanilli won a Grammy. 'nough said.(reply to this comment)

From placebo Thursday, November 02, 2006, 06:52 (Agree/Disagree?) Sammy, Sammy, you don't think the grammys mean anything do you? I mean, U2 win almost every year they crap out a crap album....(reply to this comment)

From Samuel Thursday, November 02, 2006, 04:40 (Agree/Disagree?) Could it be because since I was in middle school people have called me "Jesus Freak"? I never saw anything wrong with being called a "Jesus Freak", but it did help me relate to the DC Talk song. One day I'll forget the song, but I'll have to forget The Family's music first. And you guys posting lyrics here is not helping! : o ) (reply to this comment)

From Oddman Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 12:57 (Agree/Disagree?) "I saw a man with a tattoo on his big fat belly, it wiggled around like marmalade jelly, it took me awhile to catch what he said 'cause I had to match the rythem of his belly with my head. Jesus saves is what a raved in A typical tattoo green, he stood on a box in the middle of the city and he claimed he had a dream." I couldn't be the only one experiencing meganostalgia at the mention of DC Talk. Yeah they suck, but it was system music that you could argue was christian. I had it on the B side of How to win. Across the sky was my Guns tape, and Come Fly with Me was a compilation recorded from the radio, with content like MJ, beatles, billy joel, eagles, and others.(reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 14:12 (Agree/Disagree?) The other day I met a girl she looked at me so nice I asked her if she'd like a date she said she wouldn't think twice So yesterday I called her up and asked her out She said "wit you?" I said, "Wit me" She said, "Without a doubt." I took her to the garden where I guess they grow the olives She wore a tighter skirt than any I had seen in college Uh...that's all I can remember now. Can't believe that came back. But Oddman, didn't the DTD tapes strt to become contraband too in favour of the "Memory book tapes" because they were made for systemites? Or was that just where I was?(reply to this comment)

From Oddman Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 15:55 (Agree/Disagree?) At one point the DTD tapes were off limits yes. But I had them from way back, because my mother was an ffer. (I myself am a side effect, living exhibit A of a twisted legacy.) Some of those tapes probably shouldn't have been around children, although they were a lot tamer than the later FTT (vox abomination). "One mornin in the courthouse, A lady came to sort out, The problems with her husband, said she was tired of him, She'd lost her admiration, and without hesitation said, I want a divorce, He's always late for dinner, he's not getting any thinner, He never folds his nose, in public picks his nose. No words about my cookin, or how good I am lookin, Judge, I just want some, Appreciation, Communication, Tender affection, something to remind me of the days when we were so in love." Meh.(reply to this comment)

From moon beam Thursday, November 02, 2006, 01:54 (Agree/Disagree?) Folds his nose, For shame!! (I used to think) ...........And the wise judge said Before you come to chose , think of all you'd stand to lose (or gain?) the little ones adore him (We don't) he is providing for them (heh?) his eyes still have that twinkle he never counts your wrinkles he's never drunk or violent (he is ) and when you shout he's silent (he does the only shouting) doooooo yoooooooo really want to part (UH yeah) go home for thirty days and count his loving ways if your love for him has perished you wish you'd never married and you still have regrets can't forgive and forget you find that nothing works i'll grant you your divorce but firrrrrsssssstttttt (reply to this comment)

From Surreal flashbacks Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 16:50 (Agree/Disagree?) come flooding in!(reply to this comment)

From GAAAA!!!! Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 17:21 (Agree/Disagree?) Talk to me, Let's work out all our problems Talk to me, And things will be ok Talk to me, And if we're really honest Love and truth will chase all our worries far away Hey hey Come my love, Let me take your hand Let's take time, I'll try to understand Share your heart, and I'll do what I can Don't forget that I love you, love you I'M GLAD TO BE A WOMAN I'M PROUD TO BE WIFE I'M PROUD TO BE A MOTHER WITH CHILDRED IN MAH LIFE I'M GLAD TO BE HELD IN THE ARMS OF MAH MAN I'M GLAD TO BE A WOMAN Oooh Mother let me live Don't take away my life Mommy you will see When you look at me And hold me in your arms You'll fall in love with me Oooh Mother let me live I know that I don't have to know all the answers Anyone can be a heart specialist I don't have to know all the answers Just this one requirement Give love, and encouragement to Be like you, Prof of love. I hate you ppl. Now the entire DTD archives are blaring through my head.(reply to this comment)

From AnnaH Thursday, November 02, 2006, 20:47 (Agree/Disagree?) Oh my god! I was in that "Mother let me live" video. I was the kid playing with the sand. Ah, memories.(reply to this comment)

From Samuel Friday, November 03, 2006, 16:59 (Agree/Disagree?) You should try out Hollywood. Maybe you could be famous! However, I do not recommend using that video as a demonstration of your acting ability. : o ) But perhaps you can answer a question for me. Was that video filmed in Japan? We used to argue about where SOS was filmed, and to me it looked a lot like Japan. But what do I know? I've never been there. (reply to this comment)

From AnnaH Saturday, November 04, 2006, 11:19 (Agree/Disagree?) I believe so, I still have a picture from the video and it looks like this park we would always go to in Japan with this dark sand. I was about 3 at the time. I find it ironic that I'm now staunchly pro-choice. Ha! Vote No on 43! (reply to this comment)

From Samuel Saturday, November 04, 2006, 16:18 (Agree/Disagree?) Number 43? My goodness they have a lot of amendments trying to clutter the State Constitution over there! We never have more than 10 here in Florida. I wonder how effective it is, do most of them pass? I KNEW it was Japan! Ha ha, EAT THAT, Valiant! (::does a victory dance::) Never mind. I don't think my old buddy Valiant comes on this site anyway. (reply to this comment)

From Oddman Sunday, November 05, 2006, 15:14 (Agree/Disagree?) I'm pretty sure most of the SOS and 20 minutes to go was filmed in Japan. If I remember, the AC soldiers ride in a mini truck (660cc engine? smaller engine than a motorbike.) with the roof sawed off.(reply to this comment)

From smashingrrl Thursday, November 02, 2006, 21:31 (Agree/Disagree?) Can I have your autograph? I remember that damn video. (reply to this comment)

From openmind Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 17:39 (Agree/Disagree?) daddy please come home (i'm coming home to you my love!) mommy can't make it on her own little jonny needs you too(reply to this comment)

From afflick Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 18:02 (Agree/Disagree?) "Hey lonely traveling man/ Your loneliness I understand/ It's such a lonely road...won't you take my hand?"(reply to this comment)

From Don't forget... Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 18:20 (Agree/Disagree?) Heaven sent you little girl You only wore a string of pearls You can't stay very long, You've gotta go change the world how I love you little girl. And as I glance, you dance into the sun Your sillhouette I won't forget Even when you're gone Suddenly you stop and spin You smile at me and then You throw a pearl into my Haa-aa-aand(reply to this comment)

From Oddman Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 18:49 (Agree/Disagree?) On little wings of love, Came my angel mariangela, What joy you bring mariangela, You make me sing mariangela, Oh man, this one was so annoying.(reply to this comment)

From Baxter Tuesday, November 14, 2006, 09:14 (Agree/Disagree?) Even when I was a kid, I thought that song smacked of something sick. It just rings of 'lolita'. I know he's ostensibly singing about a baby, but that's not really the way I'd ever think of a baby. (reply to this comment)

From Samuel Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 20:32 (Agree/Disagree?) No wonder she just went by "Mari" when she grew up. I'd be embarrassed too. I met her in Lavinio. Nice sweet girl, I sure hope she's not still in the cult.(reply to this comment)

From loch Thursday, November 02, 2006, 14:28 (Agree/Disagree?) Who u talking about?(reply to this comment)

From afflick Thursday, November 02, 2006, 16:26 (Agree/Disagree?) I think he met our famous Mariangela, H.(reply to this comment)

From Samuel Thursday, November 02, 2006, 18:03 (Agree/Disagree?) Yes, I sure did, on one of my trips to Italy. Probably 1995. We spent almost two months at their place. (reply to this comment)

From Snufkin Tuesday, November 14, 2006, 10:54 (Agree/Disagree?) heh you must have met the mad grandfather... he used to read math books to the kids for bedtime stories. I remember being jealous cuz he would buy them books and we weren't allowed to read them. Thats where i "secretly" read "The Picture of Dorian Grey"(reply to this comment)

From Samuel Tuesday, November 14, 2006, 12:33 (Agree/Disagree?) OOPS! I got confused back when I wrote that. I spent around two WEEKS at their place in Lavinio. I spent two months in Italy. It was my summer vacation. No, it wasn't a camp or anything. I'm Italian, and just got bored of being with my family in Rome. For one thing, it was nice being with people that spoke English. I hadn't learned how to speak any Italian yet. I still know only the basics.(reply to this comment)

From openmind Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 20:24 (Agree/Disagree?) lady luck is rich but shes cruel as a witch once you're in the high the next you're in the ditch i chased the mighty buck and i courted lady luck caught within her trap (dum dum dum dum) at the casino us kids weren't allowed to listen to this one(reply to this comment)

From M&M Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 21:43 (Agree/Disagree?) People say that miracles can't be but if they could only see what one little touch of love has done for me Now you've touched and made my life anew and you've made all my dreams come true So much of life I never felt till I met you One touch of love It's the music that makes me want to love it's the music that makes me want to love more easily it's the music that brings peace of mind and helps me be more sweet and kind ugh. A certain fga used to play these during sex. I won't name her coz she's somebodies mum. I think I'll go listen to some Tenacious D or Prince. Ah, Darling Nikki. (reply to this comment)

From Samuel Thursday, November 02, 2006, 04:36 (Agree/Disagree?) Wait a minute now, what exactly was wrong with "Touch of Love"? It's no worse than most of the other fluff people sing these days. If you're talking about the newer version that one of the YA's sang, I think it was Vas, then I'd have to agree with you. That was not the best song to choose.(reply to this comment)

From Baxter Tuesday, November 14, 2006, 09:23 (Agree/Disagree?) Oh mate, that's like arguing that colon cancer is no worse than lung cancer: bar the subtle nuances between varieties of crap, who cares? (reply to this comment)

From Eric Cartman Thursday, November 02, 2006, 13:26 (Agree/Disagree?) I think it's not so much the song, but the image of some FGA screwing a few feet away to the rythm of said song that he's found rather traumatic. I'm not surprised.(reply to this comment)

From Samuel Thursday, November 02, 2006, 18:06 (Agree/Disagree?) Me either. That must have been horrible. And Berg wanted people to think it was "natural". How perverted is that.(reply to this comment)

From well also Thursday, November 02, 2006, 22:46 (Agree/Disagree?) That was one of the many FF-themed songs on those tapes.(reply to this comment)

From smashingrrl Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 21:58 (Agree/Disagree?) Fifteen minutes to go How much love can you show Where on earth can you go With only fifteen minutes to go(reply to this comment)

From openmind Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 22:30 (Agree/Disagree?) and of course... dont ... let ... charlie make a monkey out of you do you think you should be living in the zoo don't you know that is a lie when it comes you're sure to die you'll find out you aren't a monkey but a fool(reply to this comment)

From flutterfly Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 22:27 (Agree/Disagree?) That would be "20 Minutes to go". --Shame on you for not remembering!(reply to this comment)

From smashingrrl Thursday, November 02, 2006, 08:03 (Agree/Disagree?) Is it sad that I'm happy as shit I got it wrong! Whoohooo I'm starting to forget this crap. But you're right, shame on me.(reply to this comment)

From openmind Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 22:42 (Agree/Disagree?) mommy i'm scared of all that i see when i go out and watch the teevee people are mean they fight and they bite tell me why? oh mommy it's so bad out there and sometimes even i am scared and can we make it a better world for a little girl(reply to this comment)

From EC Wednesday, November 08, 2006, 18:16 (Agree/Disagree?) What was this kid watching a Tyson vs. Hollyfield for anyway?(reply to this comment)

From openmind Wednesday, November 08, 2006, 22:34 (Agree/Disagree?) because she doesn't have HBO or Cinemax(reply to this comment)

From Eric Cartman Thursday, November 09, 2006, 02:12 (Agree/Disagree?) She had kiddie viddies, luvettes, life with grandpa, treasure attic, time beam, and a whole lot more fun and uplifting TF productions, and on top of that she had home made porn both hardcore and softcore. She had no reason to be watching something so wicked as tyson damnit. btw, anyone remember how the "Fire and Ice" music video footage was extensively used in the Anti-TF news coverage in Japan? Cupcakes and pudding compared to the early productions.(reply to this comment)

From openmind Friday, November 10, 2006, 02:35 (Agree/Disagree?) never got to see fire and ice (i really missed out!) it was not on the 20 mins in thailand since it was too provocative(reply to this comment)

From openmind Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 22:47 (Agree/Disagree?) (in Simon Peter's voice:) ladies and gentlemen ... let's welcome ... (pause for effect) ... peter ... (pause for effect) ... and ... (pause for effect) ... rachel (applause) oh you can find peace (peace!) in the midst of a storm and you can find hope (hope!) when you just can't go on anymore oh there is love to be found when your whole worlds tumbling down i can remember that in almost every home i've been in all the male adults were goo goo gaa gaa over rachel and they all had the hots for her(reply to this comment)

From smashingrrl Thursday, November 02, 2006, 21:40 (Agree/Disagree?) Wasn't it simon peter who did the voice for those tapes that came out in maybe 87 or 88? Does anyone else remember those? We had to listen to them every damn night at the Osaka school. All these "inspiring" stories. The only ones I remember were about some kid who had an angel appear in her room. Her spine was fucked and then she got to be a cheerleader, I think for the Cowboys. The other was about a guy named "faucet". I dunno. Someone help me here.(reply to this comment)

From placebo Sunday, November 05, 2006, 06:14 (Agree/Disagree?) You talking about "How to Win 1&2"?(reply to this comment)

From it could be Sunday, November 05, 2006, 06:35 (Agree/Disagree?) How to be happy anyhow When the impossible becomes possible, 1 and 2 How to love How to win etc etc etc (reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Thursday, November 02, 2006, 23:36 (Agree/Disagree?) wasn't it Sara D who had the Scoliosis? And apart from the 'angel', wasn't it cured by months in a metal body brace? What a miracle! (Those were called, "When the Impossible becomes Posssible" BTW)(reply to this comment)

From openmind Thursday, November 02, 2006, 23:57 (Agree/Disagree?) well i gues Sara D has now been delivered from the Scoliosis (PTL!) Sings: "The day of miracles is not past - the day of miracles is not past"(reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 22:52 (Agree/Disagree?) Peter & Rachel were my favourite family singers ever. Rachel reminds me of Agnetha. And Peter singing...To Dream The Impossible Dream. He was so good. But I don't like that Peace song much. Too bad they didn't sing any ABBA.(reply to this comment)

From openmind Friday, November 03, 2006, 00:00 (Agree/Disagree?) did you see peter & rachel at the jeremy spencer india concert videos? peter sang indian songs(reply to this comment)

From EC Wednesday, November 08, 2006, 18:18 (Agree/Disagree?) Ohhh, Ekolarki Kodeka blah blah blah sumfin like that yes....(reply to this comment)

From openmind Wednesday, November 08, 2006, 22:33 (Agree/Disagree?) yeah and the other one went something like: yay do suttee hum-na-hee jo reng gay jo reng gay hum-na-hum ay la ka ta na jo reng gay(reply to this comment)

From Eric Cartman Thursday, November 09, 2006, 02:02 (Agree/Disagree?) I thought Petey was singin' Hos and Gays, humm n head, Hos and Gays, There was something more than Gays. Damnit, I was close. (reply to this comment)

From openmind Friday, November 10, 2006, 03:39 (Agree/Disagree?) Disclaimer: This comment may contain material that is obscene, pornographic, or profane. Whilst the author does apologize for any reader who may take offense, the authors do however condone all such activities mentioned. (I'm most likely headed to the trailer park & I plead guilty) Actually the indian tune goes like this: yay ... bitch blow me clean! ... ... on your knees! ... ... all nite all dayyy! ... ... blow me clean! ... ... we'll have fun! ... ... 'coz i'll fuck you so hard when you're done! ...(reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Thursday, November 09, 2006, 02:28 (Agree/Disagree?) I thought it was: Hey, toast & tea! Come and eat Going grey Going grey-ey well, something like that. Like yours heaps better.(reply to this comment)

From Eric Cartman Thursday, November 09, 2006, 02:54 (Agree/Disagree?) I love listening to music with foreign lyrics. I listen to some Spanish stuff, Tagalog stuff, Korean stuff, Chinese stuff, Japanese stuff (hate the pop, but some good rock), Russian, German, Portuguese, Romanian, Swahili, Italian, but French is definitely one of the most beautiful languages to put to song. Of course all this stuff could be about dirty diapers or anal sex, but hey, it sounds cool. Indian music has never been one of my favorites, as I can't really handle the fat lady screeching out the tunes clearly composed for the benefit of dogs, dolphins and bats. I do find some Indian films are rather amusing. The cinemas should show more movies from around the world and less hollydud crap. Eto na naman ang puso ko bakit tibok tibok at mairoon biroo blah blah blah blah Mahal Kita walang iba ang puso koi walang katulad mo Mahal ko Mmm, whatever it means, it sounds good.(reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Thursday, November 09, 2006, 05:42 (Agree/Disagree?) Speaking of Indian films, I must remember to see the Deepa Mehta Trilogy, Earth, Fire, & now Water.(reply to this comment)

From Oddman Thursday, November 02, 2006, 00:15 (Agree/Disagree?) Well, at least the two of them could actually sing a bit. And Rachel's voice wasn't half as annoying as Windy. I'd rather listen to the slightly weird but nostalgic Petey n Rachy than the "oh I tried so hard to fully copy a systemite band and I wanna sing like Toby Keith" Vas crooning homonecromasturcelestophiliac shite.(reply to this comment)

From openmind Thursday, November 02, 2006, 01:54 (Agree/Disagree?) and can anyone remember topaz with the afro?(reply to this comment)

From Oddman Thursday, November 02, 2006, 05:58 (Agree/Disagree?) Token black member of "les enfantes~" & MWM. She sang very few songs compared to Pete & Rach, Windy, Jerry, Jeremy. Now let's see who has a good memory. Who can remember the address for MWM or the address for the Luvettes.(reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Friday, November 03, 2006, 04:37 (Agree/Disagree?) CPO 220 CPO 220 CPO 220 Athens Greece C/O GMA, Channel 7, edza Quezon City Please do write us as we'd love to hear from you. Bye bye!(reply to this comment)

From openmind Friday, November 03, 2006, 18:41 (Agree/Disagree?) oh the HMS MWM heave-ho off we go sailing for the lord - how did the music with meaning theme song go again?(reply to this comment)

From Saturday, November 04, 2006, 17:22 (Agree/Disagree?) Music with meaning, life with a goal You can be happy with love in your soul hearts that are hungry, eyes that can see you can be happy and tyour soul can be free.(reply to this comment)

From It's like this Sunday, November 05, 2006, 01:12 (Agree/Disagree?) Music with meaning, life with a goal, I know you can be happy with love in your soul. You need a heart that is hungry, eyes that can see, Ears that can hear that your soul can be free! Come on people (yeah), listen to me (Oooo), Come and learn that your soul can be free. Come on people (Yeah), listen to me (oooo), Come and learn that your soul can be free. Well there's a whole lot of people Trying to find A little something to live for That's not in your mind. I know you can be happy without many things, All you need is the love Only Jesus can bring! Oh well, I can't remember the rest. (reply to this comment)

From Music with Meaning... Saturday, November 04, 2006, 19:17 (Agree/Disagree?) Come and learn how your soul can be free! (reply to this comment)

From Oddman Sunday, November 05, 2006, 15:08 (Agree/Disagree?) Singin Sam?(reply to this comment)

From Simon, Simon Saturday, November 04, 2006, 02:37 (Agree/Disagree?) I've been thinking what a nice world it would be if MWM were all transported far across the Southern sea(reply to this comment)

From solemn Thursday, November 02, 2006, 14:57 (Agree/Disagree?) Heres one for ya: From the song "Children of the lord" (it's an old one) God told Noah there's gonna be a floody floody God told Noah there's gonna be a floody floody Build an ark of __________________________?(reply to this comment)

From gragon Thursday, November 02, 2006, 15:59 (Agree/Disagree?) ...get those children out of the muddy muddy(reply to this comment)

From conan Thursday, November 02, 2006, 15:15 (Agree/Disagree?) gopher barky, barky ahhhhhh, why are we doing this to ourselves?? enough with the music flashbacks on this already(reply to this comment)

From solemn Thursday, November 02, 2006, 15:24 (Agree/Disagree?) Ok, you are right the flashbacks are crazy. But it was "Gopher Woody Woody" heh.(reply to this comment)

From conan Thursday, November 02, 2006, 15:32 (Agree/Disagree?) i hate to be right here...but i am. it goes god told noah to build him an arky arky god told noah to build him an arky arky make it out of gopher barky barky children of the lord. actually fuck it...i hope you're right and i've got my memories of this all twisted up(reply to this comment)

From Eric Cartman Thursday, November 02, 2006, 15:36 (Agree/Disagree?) It was barky barky. Used to make fun of that. It rained and poured for forty daisies daisies (wtf?) It rained and poured for forty daisies daisies Nearly drove those, animals crazy crazy Children of the lord The sun came up and dried up the landy landy The sun came up and dried up the landy landy ____________________________________? (reply to this comment)

From smashingrrl Thursday, November 02, 2006, 21:35 (Agree/Disagree?) I'm sorry I hurt you when going without you And thinking that my way was the only way Again and again the lord and you saved me My family my family.....I don't know the line My family my family I know it's right my family Oh shit, I forgot the rest. Someone will finish it.(reply to this comment)

From openmind Friday, November 03, 2006, 00:11 (Agree/Disagree?) my family my family i know it's right my family my family my family i need you today my family my family i know it's right my family my family my family i'll love you always of course the actions are everyone putting there arms around the shoulders of the one next to them and rocking back and forth in a big line (called the idiot line) the 'my family' song brings back memories of the 'sing unto the lord' videos along with the other song 'the potter' take me ... take me till there's nothing ... left of me but you lord then use me ('coz i'm an idiot) use me like you've never used me before ... forgive me for the times that i have strayed so far from you lord i only remember how both of them would get people crying and wailing on the sing unto the lord videos especially faithy and ho the cameras would always show both of them(reply to this comment)

From Mir Friday, November 03, 2006, 13:24 (Agree/Disagree?) LOL! What about "You've gotta be a baby"? This shows how old I am! You've gotta be a baby you've gotta be a bay ay ay beee you've gotta be a baby to go to heava a a a annn! (Jesus sa aaaid!) I remember being about 4 years old and getting a whack with a stick for forgetting my actions... Bastards!!! (reply to this comment)

From openmind Friday, November 03, 2006, 18:15 (Agree/Disagree?) ... and so and so's gonna get sum luv straight from above she's gonna bring it on down and she's gonna shake shake shake and she's gonna shake shake shake and she's gonna shake shake shake and she's gonna shake shake shake the jett's are gonna get sum luv straight from above they're gonna bring it on down and they're gonna shake shake shake and they're gonna shake shake shake and they're gonna shake shake shake and they're gonna shake shake shake the oc's are gonna get sum luv straight from above they're gonna bring it on down and they're gonna shake shake shake and they're gonna shake shake shake and they're gonna shake shake shake and they're gonna shake shake shake the mc's are gonna get sum luv straight from above they're gonna bring it on down and they're gonna shake shake shake and they're gonna shake shake shake and they're gonna shake shake shake and they're gonna shake shake shake everybody's gonna get sum luv straight from above they're gonna bring it on down and they're gonna shake shake shake and they're gonna shake shake shake and they're gonna shake shake shake and they're gonna shake shake shake(reply to this comment)

From neez Thursday, November 02, 2006, 20:21 (Agree/Disagree?) Remember this one? So let her have my scrilla And cut it out with all that funny hand jive will ya? All this trouble for a tall glass of Olde E Drink it all fast, make you haul ass slowly And rhymin to remember what you told me Holey moley, did you get a load of her roley poley? Yo G, remind me to remember what you told me Whoever don't feel him build walls like a goalie One for the money, two for the better green Three for methanine-dioxymethamphetamine Told the knock kneed ghetto queen get the head fiend Tell him it's for Medallin and use oxcyocetaline Who needs airplay, it's all just hearsay Leave a wig like it was havin a bad hair day Miracle glide master, asked him what's his secret He said Shasta, and turned to formaldehyde faster When I'm home with my lady, I try to duke her daily One night she tried to flail me with her ukelele Pack your heat, the Villain on the cover of Black Beat With a bunch of crackers and some snack meat Oh wait...never mind.(reply to this comment)

From Fish Thursday, November 02, 2006, 16:40 (Agree/Disagree?) Everything was......fine and DANNDY DANNDY("cute" farting sound effect in the background here) Children of the lord(reply to this comment)

From solemn Thursday, November 02, 2006, 16:30 (Agree/Disagree?) Yeh, I guess you are right. *Shoot me with a rubber bandy bandy Children of the lord! (reply to this comment)

From openmind Thursday, November 02, 2006, 20:15 (Agree/Disagree?) uh guys,... 'rise & shine (& give god the glory glory' is not a family song. I just realized that when I was watching an episode of The Simpsons where the flanders sing it to homer to try to get him to go to church(reply to this comment)

From conan Thursday, November 02, 2006, 20:26 (Agree/Disagree?) well it's a song that haunts are childhood nonetheless along with the other ones reproduced here(reply to this comment)

From loch Thursday, November 02, 2006, 14:23 (Agree/Disagree?) 3po 22o 3po 220 Athens greece......or something that sounds like that(reply to this comment)

From solemn Thursday, November 02, 2006, 14:53 (Agree/Disagree?) Close, it was Cpo 220. Hats off to you for not remembering.(reply to this comment)

From Nick Thursday, November 02, 2006, 15:54 (Agree/Disagree?) You forgot the "Biiing!" CPO 220, CPO 220, CPO 220, Athens Greece! Biiiiing! (reply to this comment)

From openmind Thursday, November 02, 2006, 08:33 (Agree/Disagree?) dum da dum da da da da daaa love does it again another luvvets case history ... oh! you you luvvets ... ... and now back to you danny ... ... thanks and here's another one from jack and jenny ... ... be so happy with the power of love ... bing ... (the professor sings:) little tiny flowers little bitsy bees ... it's just a shame that berg was a real asshole to peter puppet (was that his name?)(reply to this comment)

From Jerseygirl Friday, November 03, 2006, 12:35 (Agree/Disagree?) Don't forget the Minstrels, people!!! Seriously--those three dudes hopping around on the log were the best! Hours of foolishness we had watching the Luvvets.(reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Friday, November 03, 2006, 15:27 (Agree/Disagree?) Once in about '97 0r '98 when I was looking after the toddlers watching The Luvvetts, (yes, we still had an old copy)we finally got to the end of the three-hour video tape. Suddenly it switched to this really old video of family members somewhere, all of them naked in a room going around washing eachother's feet, singing in a mournful voice, "Love your brothers...woooahh...Love your sisters...wooaaahh...Love your family while they're still alive...They may be dead tomorrow" I and everyone else in the room just stood transfixed staring at the screen in disbelief, and this uncle came racing in from somewhere and switched of the tv and grabbed out the tape. He was really angry. "If you see something like this, you NEVER, NEVER leave it on!!!" Yep, that was weird.(reply to this comment)

From openmind Friday, November 03, 2006, 18:19 (Agree/Disagree?) - maybe they were doing 'Hieros Gamos' ritual i.e. Da Vinci Code (reply to this comment)

From Friday, November 03, 2006, 17:58 (Agree/Disagree?) Well again, lucky you. When I was growing up, that was the kind of thing they taught us!!(reply to this comment)

From ange Friday, November 03, 2006, 04:24 (Agree/Disagree?) Yeah, the poor guy had some kind of throat cancer. It was never clear to me if he got medical attention for that or whether they just tried to pray it away. (reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Friday, November 03, 2006, 04:41 (Agree/Disagree?) He was the dad of two friends of mine. He died a long time ago.(reply to this comment)

From Oddman Thursday, November 02, 2006, 13:05 (Agree/Disagree?) Tooold you you'd luvette I didn't get some the lord fopington and lord fonsbee jokes. The people doing the voice of Jack & Jenny shouldn't have been allowed to sing on TV. That was just criminal. Though we're not that professional, and enjoy simple life, We will sing you songs of love.....(reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Friday, November 03, 2006, 04:53 (Agree/Disagree?) Those two old men were a direct rip-off of the Muppets. But then look at the lion.(reply to this comment)

From Shaka Friday, November 03, 2006, 05:49 (Agree/Disagree?) Happy Birthday Rain Child. Or is Movingon jacking up the b'day's again? (reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Friday, November 03, 2006, 06:03 (Agree/Disagree?) Thanks Shaka. I'm 28 today. I thought it hadn't displayed my birthday, but we were just ahead here.(reply to this comment)

From Removed Friday, November 03, 2006, 06:41 (Agree/Disagree?) [Removed at author's request] (reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Friday, November 03, 2006, 15:09 (Agree/Disagree?) Thanks. I did.(reply to this comment)

From Samuel Friday, November 03, 2006, 17:07 (Agree/Disagree?) Well, Rain, Happy Birthday a bit late. I must not have been paying attention to the Birthday box this morning. I need to make paying attention to the Birthday box one of my NWO's. I'm glad you had a good time. Now I'll go read some MO letters about paying attention and not daydreaming : o ) Cheers!(reply to this comment)

From openmind Thursday, November 02, 2006, 23:59 (Agree/Disagree?) one of my favorite luvvets episodes was "Houdini" I especially liked the part with the medium saying in a creepy witchy voice: "speek to usss departed loved one speek to usss departed loved one" then a spooky voice says: "hoodiniii! hoodiiiniii!" houdini lifts the table cloth and says: "see? a switch... and look (opens a curtain) a speekah"(reply to this comment)

From Eric Cartman Thursday, November 02, 2006, 13:29 (Agree/Disagree?) The luvets the luvets The happy happy puppets With songs of love and songs of joy A special time for every girl and boy The address was somewhere in EDSA Quezon city.(reply to this comment)

From Thursday, November 02, 2006, 22:51 (Agree/Disagree?) Then there was Apartado tres uno dos, Viejo San Juan Puerto Rico - Tock Tock!(reply to this comment)

From And while we're at it... Thursday, November 02, 2006, 07:55 (Agree/Disagree?) Who remembers the Time Beam, with that spinning wheel and crappy cardboard set.(reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Friday, November 03, 2006, 05:18 (Agree/Disagree?) Time Beam was way cool! They could appear & disappear and bring people from the past! (Although they all bore a striking resemblance to Simon Peter)(reply to this comment)

From openmind Thursday, November 02, 2006, 08:28 (Agree/Disagree?) on the time beam you can be so had on the time beam ... i was fascinated by it especially the spinning badminton raquet in front of the machine not to mention that all the characters ... i mean every last one of them was played by none other than simon peter ... aand while we're at it ... ! it's uncle T time it's uncle T time ! anyone familiar with this one?(reply to this comment)

From Oddman Thursday, November 02, 2006, 12:57 (Agree/Disagree?) I hardly remember the content of the Time Beam videos, though I do remember watching them. We watched the luvettes a lot more.(reply to this comment)

From openmind Thursday, November 02, 2006, 20:27 (Agree/Disagree?) Apart from the time beam, there was another series called "Uncle 'T' Time" does anyone remember this one?(reply to this comment)

From smashingrrl Thursday, November 02, 2006, 21:43 (Agree/Disagree?) It's ringing a bell. I just can't remember shit about it. But yeah, there was definantly something called "uncle T time".(reply to this comment)

From yes Friday, November 03, 2006, 02:43 (Agree/Disagree?) 'Uncle T Time, it's Uncle T Time, a video show especially for youuuuu' A video series made in South America (or maybe Mexico?) with Uncle Tiras and a bunch of kids. They were 'educational' and word-based shows with some activities thrown in. In one of the shows they showed you how to make popcorn. Tiras introduced his son and said to him, 'Say hi, Sean', and his son said 'Hi, Sean' (Har de har). Who remembers Family Care's video series, Kiddy Viddy? (reply to this comment)

From Christy Saturday, November 04, 2006, 07:06 (Agree/Disagree?) Not those Kiddie Viddies! I know which ones you're talking about, which unfortunately shows my age.... I think they were made by Zeb Geppetto (don't know if that's how it's spelled) and were modeled after the KTK's. (reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Saturday, November 04, 2006, 18:16 (Agree/Disagree?) I have a very vague memory of a video with The Land of Not Too Much (It had Armendria, Celeste, & the Spencers I would think) and another one with Merlin the Magician. I loved those, but I can barely remember them. I think I was four when we had a copy. Anyone else remember that?(reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Saturday, November 04, 2006, 18:39 (Agree/Disagree?) Oh, oh, and the drama tapes! I LOVED the drama tapes, but sometimes they gave me nightmares and I had a strong fear of all police, because I thought they were all Russian and would kill me if they found out I was a Christian!(reply to this comment)

From Anyone remember Sunday, November 05, 2006, 03:54 (Agree/Disagree?) I think it was the first MWM drama, and it was of Don Quixote, with this Indian PC Wado constantly trying to run him out of town. It was really old, done before the CPO 220 days.(reply to this comment)

From openmind Saturday, November 04, 2006, 23:25 (Agree/Disagree?) - oh please let me stop and look at jesus! oh please let me stop and look at jesus! oh please let me stop and look at jesus! - you wrecked a hundred thousand punds machine and you've lost your job... but boss "OUCH!!" (actually i think it was "OUT!!") nothing short of right is right and what's not right is wrong just like a bad note in a song - the story of jesus made by children for chidren - hello down there i'm up here on the mountain - what's this? ... it's gold ... god be praised - chestnut .. hickory... acorn ... nah that's a bad one(reply to this comment)

From openmind Friday, November 03, 2006, 18:24 (Agree/Disagree?) everyone remembers the kiddy viddys - do it now right now do it now right now later may be never ever ever ever do it now right now do it now right now - do it 'cause daddy says so do it 'cause daddy says so trust obey and do it 'cause daddy says so everytime i see the intro to a colubia tristar film and hear the drum roll it brings flashbacks to the intro of kiddy viddies(reply to this comment)

From openmind Friday, November 03, 2006, 18:25 (Agree/Disagree?) *Columbia Tristar* (reply to this comment)

From openmind Saturday, November 04, 2006, 07:28 (Agree/Disagree?) actually i think i meant 20th century fox(reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Saturday, November 04, 2006, 18:21 (Agree/Disagree?) Well, doesn't the MGM lion always make you think of The Luvvetts? When I was very little I thought the Luvvetts lion was the original!(reply to this comment)

From steam Thursday, November 02, 2006, 06:26 (Agree/Disagree?) CPO 220 CPO 220 CPO 220 Athens Greece(reply to this comment)

From Oddman Thursday, November 02, 2006, 13:10 (Agree/Disagree?) Is it true that the Luvettes got shut down after the episode with berg in heaven? The one where he's flying around in a don quihote outfit. I can't remember what the original mo letter was titled. At least they didn't do demonography or the school.(reply to this comment)

From openmind Friday, November 03, 2006, 00:05 (Agree/Disagree?) while we're on the topic of the stupid puppet shows... lets not forget... life with grandpa what could be more fun? (um alot more) living lessons life for everyone learning how to each and everyday learning how to love someone and love someone each day life with grandpa what could be more fun (i always preferred the luvvets)(reply to this comment)

From Fish Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 15:49 (Agree/Disagree?) DCT is in da howse!(reply to this comment)

from Nick Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 11:06 (Agree/Disagree?) Have you written this in the form of an affidavit and sent that off to Sarafina or Pauls attorney? You could almost just take what you wrote and paste it into that form and it would work. (reply to this comment)

From shikaka Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 19:59 (Agree/Disagree?) No. Do you think it would be relevant to their case? I didnt see how it was. (reply to this comment)

From Shaka Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 08:47 (Agree/Disagree?) It's absolutely relevant Chris. The point they're trying to make to the judge is that TF is not a safe place to raise a child, not only because of abuse but lack of education, forced labor, and the fact that even though they claim to have stopped the sexual side of the abuse, they continue to have high profile sex offenders and known violent abusers in positions of leadership and around children. Please anyone, even if you don't think your story is relevant or has anything to do with the case, send it in anyway. If it really can't help at all it won't be used, nor will it be used for anything else except what you intended it for and you'll have lost nothing except a little of your time. But more than likely it will be vital to the case if the judge sees the sheer number of collaborating accounts of abuse. (reply to this comment)

From Samuel Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 20:47 (Agree/Disagree?) You should Chris. From my understanding the Family is asking their kids to send affidavits an dof course they're going tot alk about how great The Family is and how it's a wonderful place to grow up and they want to stay in TF until they die/until Jesus returns- whichever comes sooner. Now, I was very lucky. I was never abused in any way close to the way most of you were. I rarely ever got to experience communal living, witnessing, canning, or anything of that sort. I was actually quite sheltered. But I wrote an affidavit about how TF instilled in me a fear of authority and taught me to lie for them, the oversexualized atmosphere in the children's publications, the shock I got when I found out the money I had told everyone was going to the missionaries was not going to go to them (it ended up going there anyway). This is the kind of thing the judge needs to hear about. And your story is relevant to the case, just as the stories of children being whipped with canes and other heavy objects were relevant to the British Isles case. But that's just my opinion. I think everyone on this site has something that they can write in an affidavit and sent off to the lawyers. If you still have the Family's literature, you can go back and see if you can find direct quotes where Berg advocated the kind of punishment you got. The letter on Mene is the first one to come to my mind. Whatever you feel is best, Chris. I'm not trying to judge you. It's a shame that just about 6 months before we officially left The Family, a "backslider" that we had made friends with gave us a big trunk full of unpurged MO books and Family publications from the 1980"s when he left. I'm afraid we made the wrong decision, and gave to a friend in The Family in hopes of keeping communication open with her. It's a shame, because I know there are people on this site that could have put the material to better use. Like scanning it for an online database, or using it as toilet paper. Live and learn. Oh, and if you're going to use the MO letters as toilet paper, please remember to adhere to the three sheets limit : o ) (reply to this comment)

From openmind Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 22:30 (Agree/Disagree?) i prefer making special tailor-made toilet paper printed with photos of maria fucking zerby, queenie fucking pete, and davie fucking berg(reply to this comment)

from an apostate Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 00:55 (Agree/Disagree?) Maybe I'm still bitter, ok, I know I'm still bitter, but seriously, what is up with the you're so brave crap that everyone is dolling out to Chris here. I'm not trying to take anything away from the horrors suffered by him, but to be perfectly honest, there are so many of us that I know personally that the above incidents and encounters, while tragic and inhumane on so many levels, were rather commonplace and considered "normal" by those around whom they occurred. I know that for me personally, being beaten till I was bruised or bloody was an almost weekly occurrence. And I wasn't even considered a "bad apple". As a matter of fact, I was often considered a "bellwether" and other kids in my class were told to emulate me. That didn't stop them from using the "rod of correction" to train me up right or to remind that "pride comes before the fall". I was on silence restrictions for weeks at a time, was framed for the rape of girls in my group when we all knew it was our darling "uncle" who looked after us, washed dishes alone for the entire 75 people in our commune during a movie, peeled potatoes and other such mundane food prep during group "activities" and other such ridiculous punishments that no child between the age of 8 and 13 should have to put up with for committing the egregious crime of putting my elbows on the table or, gasp, quoting a scripture to get myself out of trouble, or kissing a girl I wasn't instructed to, or refusing the sexual advances of my female teacher/caregiver/auntie. I am by no means belittling what happened at the HCS and I know that there are many who had it worse than me, in my own home no less. But to fawn over this article like we’re reading some story of a holocaust survivor is a little over the top in my oh so very humble opinion. I know that everyone on this site will likely lambaste me for this posting but I feel obligated to do so anyways, especially because I chose to do so anonymously. But I find that the only remarkable thing about this article was that it was sent to the “mydelusion” page, where it almost certainly will never see the light of day. I commend Chris for sharing his personal experiences in a public forum like this, but I’m genuinely surprised that there aren’t more of the frequent members to this site that found anything that happened him to be so apparently shocking and out of the ordinary. So go ahead, let the tirade begin. I’ve said my piece. Peace (reply to this comment)

From aftertheexodus Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 08:39 (Agree/Disagree?) An apostate, I don't see any harm in encouraging the original poster. I did not grow up in TF, but another commune/cult-like organisation and I know that reflecting on, analyzing or expressing feelings about my situation was always shot down and I eventually just stopped. When I did start expressing and telling again, people's reactions to it did (and do) matter and I feel that it helped me to hear people encouraging me to tell my story. I think it says quite a lot about TF that in reply to such a post some people would try to relativise or even belittle this story. I think telling one's story helps oneself and others, so there is a big value in it.(reply to this comment)

From an apostate Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 00:58 (Agree/Disagree?) Chris, you've downplayed your experiences I'm sure and even in the thread below you've said that what you went through was not the worse you've seen. I am in no way trying to get into any beef with you. I had something to say and said it.(reply to this comment)

From shikaka Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 01:19 (Agree/Disagree?) It seems youve suffered a great deal, my friend. I think yours is a story that needs to be told. (reply to this comment)

From an apostate Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 01:47 (Agree/Disagree?) I kinda just did. But if there's one thing I agree with whatever midwife it was that posted on here, it's that this isn't a contest or anything like that to see who had it worse. I wasn't trying to go there. I was trying to get people off your story and onto the issue of what I assumed was your original intent to post that here; to show TF's refusal to allow freedom of thought and speech in what they've deemed as they're "open forum" or anywhere else in there pathetic culty lives for that matter.(reply to this comment)

from ErikMagnusLehnsher Monday, October 30, 2006 - 19:55 (Agree/Disagree?) I never could understand where they came up with the idea of beating kids because they wet their beds. If you watch as much news as I do, you'll see some segment about a fucked up church camp where they have exorcisms on kids or about rednecks beating their kids with the rod of correction or somesuch but for bedwetting?!? I've never heard of anything like it since TF. I remember being horrified as a teen hearing some poor kid yelling while they were getting spanked for wetting a bed. I clearly remember asking why the kid was getting disciplined for that and it was some stupid explanation about the child being too lazy to get up and go in the middle of the night...this made absolutely no sense to me. There's not a kid on the planet that would rather face a flyswatter then get up and go pee. Fortunately, I never had a real problem peeing the bed as a kid (though I think every kid has had a dream once or twice where they walk up to the pisser, unload their blatter and then wake up in a wet bed) but to this day I can't understand the rationale for any kind of discipline (much less a beating) for a kid who accidentally pees the bed. I'm not asking this facetiously...I'm serious: Has anybody ever heard of any fucked up group anywhere ever advocating beating kids for accidentally peeing the bed or not making it to the bathroom on time? (reply to this comment)

From cheeks Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 17:17 (Agree/Disagree?) I think spanking for bedwetting started with Ricky. When he was five he started wetting the bed again. Usually when a child is unable to stop wetting the bed or starts wetting the bed again on a regular basis it is a sign of emotional or physical trauma. It is also a sign of food allergies, dairy products being one of them. Anyhow Berg had Sara try all kinds of stuff on poor Ricky and she of course wrote them down and there you have it. A buch of morons with kids who didn't have a lick of sense who beat their kids for wetting the bed. I guess it didn't occur to them that they were only making the problem worse. (reply to this comment)

From loch Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 11:09 (Agree/Disagree?) Redneck all the way! When I lived in North Florida where there are more inbred rednecks then I've ever seen in my life, there was this snot nose kid standing outside of a grocery store weeping, holding a sign that read "I stole from this store" I hadn't seen anything like that since I was a kid in the family. (reply to this comment)

From Samuel Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 11:23 (Agree/Disagree?) I don't know how that would have happened, except he probably stole from that store and was ordered by a judge to wear that sign in lieu of something worse like going to Juvenile Detention or something. I don't know how old the kid was. If he was young,though, a fine wouldn't have meant anything to him. His parents would have paid the fine. The judge probably didn't want to send him to JDC, and so he gave him a choice. I don't know what happened, I wasn't there. But that seems to be the only logical conclusion. If that's what the judge did, then I agree with his decision. You might see similarities to The Family, but I think it was a good decision. You probably won't see that in my area in Western Florida, though. "If you mow your lawn and find your three stolen cars...you might be a redneck" "If the UFO hotline limits you to three calls per week...you might be a redneck" - Jeff Foxworhty (both) And one I came up with: "If the hardest part about marriage is treating your other cousins equal...you might be a redneck"(reply to this comment)

From loch Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 11:37 (Agree/Disagree?) He was only about 5 or 6. It was clearly his parents who made him do it. It was an act of cruelty and humiliation! The manager of the store eventualy came out and made the parents take him home because customers were horrified.(reply to this comment)

From Samuel Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 12:17 (Agree/Disagree?) My word, 5 or 6 years old?! In that case, yes, I'd have to say it was clearly his parents that made him do it. Cruel and inhumane indeed. I was under the assumption before that he stole something valuable and the manager had to report it to the police. That is just ridiculous! I can't believe that parents would do something like that to such a young kid. I would be surprised if they were not members of The Family. (reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Monday, October 30, 2006, 21:35 (Agree/Disagree?) I think it used to be common in old British boarding-schools, but it's definitely a criminal offense today.(reply to this comment)

from Oddman Monday, October 30, 2006 - 14:53 (Agree/Disagree?) You deserve a medal for your bravery man. Satan knows it's not easy to make these things public. I also had a bedwetting problem until I was 6. I think it was pretty common in TF. TF's way of trying to cure it was nothing short of torture. An unholy cocktail of physical and psychological violence, humiliation, ridicule. Even petty things like nail biting resulted in excessive brutality, which served only to worsen whatever they were trying to solve. At age 7 I was suffering from alopecia, which my doctor suggested resulted from malnutrition coupled with psychological stress. My moms husband told the doctor that he and mom were discussing divorce, and that must be the cause of any stress. Big fucking fat liar. He was worried because the pediatrician wanted to interview me and find the cause of stress, which would have easily been discovered with the loosening of a buckle. At age 8 I was suffering trichotillomania. I was literally pulling my hair out, balding 40% of my head. Life as we knew it. It's a wonder we survived. Or did we? I wonder still sometimes. But at least I can wonder now, without a 2x4 swinging in full force in an attempt to crush some devils workshop that's supposed to be somewhere, but invisible to a 6 year old child. (reply to this comment)

From Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 16:17 (Agree/Disagree?) My brother had that problem too, only he was about 5 and used to pull his hair out in his sleep. He would twirl his hair around his finger and then yank it. I have pictures of my 5 year old brother with a bald patch. My mother's "mate" used to stand over him while he was sleeping and wait to see if he would do it, he was sleeping mind you. Then he would beat him if he did it, so he would wake up being beaten. Bad times...(reply to this comment)

From AnnaH Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 08:28 (Agree/Disagree?) God, the fact that you were so close to getting help is one of the saddest things I've heard yet. It was right in front of their faces. That's just tragic. I'm so sorry. (reply to this comment)

From Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 11:12 (Agree/Disagree?) Tragic and sad, but typical. It happened to me more than once.(reply to this comment)

From Oddman Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 13:13 (Agree/Disagree?) Yes, it was all too common. When I was five, I broke my hand in an accident, but my parents hadn't paid their NHS and couldn't afford to send me to the hospital. Finally they sent me using the home shepherds son's NHS card. (Figures, they had money to pay the home shepherd's NHS, but not for a single mother with 4 kids, who was also the homes provisioner) Yes, my right pinkie is still useless. I can't move the last joint. We skipped rehab because "the lord will heal it". At the time, we were trained to be little deceivers yet true. Even at 5 or 6, I would likely have had a perfectly good reason for the bruises. Oh, I fell off the stairs. Oh, I had a fight with some kids. Some of the marks were telltale though, and a pediatrician would likely have been able to confirm there was abuse. (reply to this comment)

From mia1 Thursday, November 02, 2006, 19:59 (Agree/Disagree?) you had a pediatrician?(reply to this comment)

from Nick Monday, October 30, 2006 - 10:54 (Agree/Disagree?) Anyone that has 1/2 a brain can see that the myconclusion site is nothing but a censored publicity stunt. (reply to this comment)

From shikaka Monday, October 30, 2006, 14:35 (Agree/Disagree?) Yeah, I know. For some reason I dared to hope. (reply to this comment)

From Nick Monday, October 30, 2006, 15:26 (Agree/Disagree?) Oh yeah, I know what you mean. I didn't mean to imply that you only had 1/2 a brain for trying... (reply to this comment)

from Rain Child Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 14:06 (Agree/Disagree?) Thank you for your honest story, Shikaka. I think it's very important. For me, seeing your smiling adorable face on the videos when I was younger, you always seemed a poster child for The Family's successes, especially the wonderful 'school vision' and the HCS. To read about the unthinkably horrific pain you were enduring every day during that same time period - and at the hands of those paragons of child-raising, well, it's made me sick, and break out into chills. To think that man who plays the loving Jesus on the videos did those things - the hypocrisy is so deep, and your story is especially valuable. I don't think I'll ever be able to watch one of those videos again. I'm sure one day your sisters' memories will kick in as well. Good on you for being the brave one. (reply to this comment)

From Oddman Monday, October 30, 2006, 19:42 (Agree/Disagree?) I agree with this comment. The videos show the one side of TF. They show you the side they wanted people to see. Knowing that many of those happy looking children suffered, my babyhood stars suffered like or worse than I did, it makes a difference. And yes, the hypocrisy is overwhelming.(reply to this comment)

From stunned Monday, October 30, 2006, 12:46 (Agree/Disagree?) "I don't think I'll ever be able to watch one of those videos again" Are you fucking serious??? Please tell me that you're still in the fucking cult and as such are sort of, almost, occasionally obligated to watch those videos with a group of children or at some cult gathering of some sort. Because if not, why the fuck would you ever watch one of them? You act as though the double standard and hypocrisy in Chris' story are out of place. I'm stunned that you could even write that on this site. Hello!!!! That shit is normal in TF. Are you kidding me? You don't think you'll ever be able to watch one of those videos again??? Well thanking fucking christ and his holy cock for using Chris' story to finally get you to realize that the family is full of mother fuckers and hypocrites. No offense Chris, you're story is sad and I feel for you. I went through much of the same and worse and then was of course forced to pretend like nothing happened and that I was a happy , well adjusted kid. Maybe not on video for the rest of the cult to see and to make money off of, but definately in being coerced to go door to door to sell the same shitty videos while my backside was blistered and bruised, and do to so with a big grin and tell the people who were trying desperately to figure out why the fuck some random people showed up at their door with a kid who wasn't theirs, spewing ridiculous shit at them like "jesus loves you" and then trying to get them to give your hurting, lying ass some money. Oh, but the hyporcrisy of the family is truly shocking to me! (reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Monday, October 30, 2006, 21:30 (Agree/Disagree?) Well, my little boy has a couple of Treasure Attics that my dad (still in) gave him as a present. I don't think he's that interested in them though. Sorry if I upset you or anything.(reply to this comment)

From Fish Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 05:08 (Agree/Disagree?) Cool!! Can I provision a copy off of you? It seems like the family in my area have given up on D.T.D. Otherwise I would just buy from them. I cant wait to watch "brushy brushy" again! brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy brushy(reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 13:58 (Agree/Disagree?) What do you want a copy for? Sounds like you're already all 'brushed up' on the lyrics.(reply to this comment)

From Fish Thursday, November 02, 2006, 16:47 (Agree/Disagree?) BWAAAAHAAHA(reply to this comment)

From Removed Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 14:19 (Agree/Disagree?) [Removed at author's request] (reply to this comment)

From Samuel Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 18:22 (Agree/Disagree?) Yes, Rain. Very cute.(reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 18:37 (Agree/Disagree?) ENOUGH ALREADY!(reply to this comment)

From openmind Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 06:09 (Agree/Disagree?) I prefer the older version of brushy brushy the one from golden age productions golden age productions standing in the crack for your educational needs the one with michael daniel (was that his name) btw is MD on here? MD? are you there?(reply to this comment)

From Fish Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 16:08 (Agree/Disagree?) Yes, MD please help us out with that "alphabet soup".(reply to this comment)

From openmind Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 20:25 (Agree/Disagree?) shikaka... ... where is MD gone? any idea?(reply to this comment)

From shikaka Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 22:07 (Agree/Disagree?) no... I believe He's still in TF, last I heard of him 4 years ago, he was in Malaysia or Indonesia with his wife, Crystal, and his kids. He may have left since.(reply to this comment)

From openmind Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 22:53 (Agree/Disagree?) and what about dear keiko? (reply to this comment)

From Samuel Friday, November 03, 2006, 17:16 (Agree/Disagree?) Aww, Keiko. The reason I watched Forever Young over and over again as a kid was because I thought Keiko was pretty. She and Armendria were the ones introducing the songs, right? I liked when the dance group came out and did "There's Gonna Be A Change". However, I do hope that those girls have since learned better dance moves, and no longer dance to The Family's music.(reply to this comment)

From shikaka Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 19:56 (Agree/Disagree?) Sometimes I wish I really was "free, free, free", and living under a coconut tree.(reply to this comment)

From Samuel Friday, November 03, 2006, 18:52 (Agree/Disagree?) One thing you must remember, when sitting under coconut tree, keep looking up to Heaven, 'cause a coconut just fell on me. Ouch! Free free free free, I'm so free... Would you like a pina colada with that, Chris?(reply to this comment)

From Fish Thursday, November 02, 2006, 16:46 (Agree/Disagree?) Try it some time, you'll be bored after a week or so. Either that or some fanatic will blow up your favorite bar.(reply to this comment)

From openmind Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 20:22 (Agree/Disagree?) where would we be? where would we be? where would we be? where would we be? where would we be? where would we be? where would we be? with out love... i remember there was a retarded kid in my house who would sing it as "where is phoebe? where is phoebe?...(reply to this comment)

From openmind Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 17:42 (Agree/Disagree?) on the maontin on the maontin i wanna pee on the maon-tin... away from the farting and shite-ing i wanna pee on the maontin(reply to this comment)

From Just can't get enough of those lyrics can we? Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 16:16 (Agree/Disagree?) PTL TYJ WLYSM GBY AKY IJN Amen!(reply to this comment)

From openmind Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 20:31 (Agree/Disagree?) ... at the maaaaaarriage supper of the lamb gonna have a good time with the son of man at the maaaarriage with the faaaamily gonna be a wholelottahevanieolavnidfniaehpcmrekfuiluhln ... for u and me(reply to this comment)

From teenage lobotomy Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 09:57 (Agree/Disagree?) let's hope not.The less Mcnally's,the better.(reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Monday, October 30, 2006, 21:57 (Agree/Disagree?) I just wanted to add to that: I can see that my comment above has touched a nerve and hurt you in some way, and I apologise for that. The intention behind the comment was precisely the opposite. I was trying to support Chris. Coming from the kind of background where I didn't experience physical or sexual abuse within TF, I need to be more sensitive on this site when some of you have suffered so much. If it makes it any better, at the time my son was given those videos, I honestly didn't know about any of this stuff. I hadn't found this website yet, and I'd never read all these stories. He hasn't watched them in a long time, and as I said above, I don't think I'll be able to watch them again. Take care.(reply to this comment)

From afflick Monday, October 30, 2006, 16:56 (Agree/Disagree?) I think you are reading too much into this, stunned. I have watched those vidoes since leaving, too My best friend used to star on them when she was a child. Sometimes I watch them to see her, to experience that little bit of her life back then. It is not about "enjoying" the message or watching them with kids or whatever your point was. It was a part of her life and therefore, it interests me. It gives me more empathy for her. It is not hypocrisy.(reply to this comment)

From Samuel Monday, October 30, 2006, 16:07 (Agree/Disagree?) What is your point? So that kind of thing was normal in The Family, now what? They tried to convince the rest of the world that they were fundamentalist Evangelical missionaries at the same time! That's hypocritical. They wanted to teach us how to be good liars for The Family. I don't think Rain was suggesting that she still watches the videos. (reply to this comment)

From Nick Monday, October 30, 2006, 13:00 (Agree/Disagree?) I think you need to re-read the post before you make a comment on it. Is it just me or does "stunned" comment not seem to make any sense in regards to the post above? (reply to this comment)

From Samuel Monday, October 30, 2006, 15:53 (Agree/Disagree?) It's not just you, Nick. He definitely should learn to re-read posts before he makes comments on them. If I had to learn to do that, so does he. And I feel I'm getting much better, by the way. (reply to this comment)

From conan Monday, October 30, 2006, 13:37 (Agree/Disagree?) i think it's just you...but that's just me. it's a little over the top but it does make sense in response to the post above it(reply to this comment)

from Shaka Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 11:17 (Agree/Disagree?) Dude, you fucking rock. It'll be a cold day in hell before TF ever lets anyone see that but good going anyway. If all goes according to plan I should be home from the sandbox in April for two weeks of leave. You get your squid ass down to SD, that is not a request. You will be present to help me make up for a year of forced sobriety in 14 days. (reply to this comment)

from Removed Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 10:54 (Agree/Disagree?) [Removed at author's request] (reply to this comment)

From shikaka Monday, October 30, 2006, 14:38 (Agree/Disagree?) Thats a really nice thing to say...thanks Sara. But I dont feel like my story is special or even really that bad compared to many of my friends on this site. Thats what makes me furious.(reply to this comment)

From Removed Monday, October 30, 2006, 22:58 (Agree/Disagree?) [Removed at author's request] (reply to this comment)

From an apostate Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 01:04 (Agree/Disagree?) You're an idiot! He wasn't trying to compare stories at all. He was simply trying to defer all the superfluous, gratuitous, “you’re so special” crap that the rest of the idiots on this site seem intent on bestowing on him. The reason for his original post was to try to document that he attempted to post that article on “mydelusion” to prove that they were not the unbiased forum that they claim to be. That was it! Am I wrong here Chris?? If so I’ll shut up and leave this thread alone! (reply to this comment)

From solemn Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 13:08 (Agree/Disagree?) I'll pass on asking how she became an idiot for that comment since this is a subject that stirs a great deal of emotion. I think all she is trying to say is he doesn't have to downplay what happened to him because others may have had it worse. Personal experiences like this are not relative to those of others. If one of your children had been severely beaten and one brutally raped, would you only comfort one? (reply to this comment)

From Fish Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 05:04 (Agree/Disagree?) You're wrong, "shut up and leave this thread alone".(reply to this comment)

From an apostate Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 12:16 (Agree/Disagree?) i don't recall asking for your opinion shit head!(reply to this comment)

From Hmmmm Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 02:54 (Agree/Disagree?) Someone sure does sound in need of some anger management sessions.(reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 05:25 (Agree/Disagree?) How come Moving On's slowed down so much all of a sudden? Where's all my chat buddies? Vixen...you were the GLUE...(reply to this comment)

From Samuel Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 05:43 (Agree/Disagree?) Sorry, Rain. Not all of us are "Movingon geeks". Maybe you could e-mail all your friends and ask them to be in the chat room at a particular time. My Mom used to do that with my Aunt in Italy because if you talk online you don't have to pay for the phone call.(reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 06:21 (Agree/Disagree?) Thanks for the advice...but you, my friend, actually are one of the "Moving On Geeks" (Like myself) Although this is the last week I'll really have time for it. Here's a funny little link for you Sam. Goodnight. http://www.maxheadroom.nu/funstuff/index.php?id=2089&zoom(reply to this comment)

From Samuel Friday, November 03, 2006, 17:40 (Agree/Disagree?) Thanks for the joke, Rain. Here is one for you and everyone else. Some may find it funnier than others, though. http://www.break.com/index/monkey_kissing_prank.html The best part is the expressions at the end.(reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Saturday, November 04, 2006, 05:08 (Agree/Disagree?) I can't watch video because I have a slow connection. :( But here's one you may like: http://www.zug.com/pranks/turnpike/(reply to this comment)

From Samuel Wednesday, November 01, 2006, 06:58 (Agree/Disagree?) Don't tell me you're leaving this site! I guess that would be a goodnight to you too, Rain Child. Even though here it's almost 10 am. (reply to this comment)

from smashingrrl Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 09:09 (Agree/Disagree?) I'm not gonna hold my breath till they publish that. Good job though man. I think the hardest thing for a lot of us is forgiving ourselves for what we've all done in reaction to the abuse. They neither need nor want our forgiveness. (reply to this comment)

from Samuel Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 05:44 (Agree/Disagree?) That was awesome, Chris! You rock! I'm sure it must have been hard and embarrassing to write about some of those things. Don't count on Myconclusion publishing it, though. By, the way, are your siblings still in The Family? (reply to this comment)

From shikaka Sunday, October 29, 2006, 08:27 (Agree/Disagree?) Thanks for the support, Samuel...I have 2 sisters that left, thats all. the rest are still serving jeebus.(reply to this comment)

From loch Monday, October 30, 2006, 14:27 (Agree/Disagree?) It makes me so fucking sick that those family bastards dont have the guts to let people read both sides of the story. They're all so fucking brainwashed though, even if they did read this, they'd mark it all up to the usual "bitterness and lies". (reply to this comment)

From Rain Child Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 18:46 (Agree/Disagree?) It's interesting, isn't it? I used to think it was all bitterness and lies too. But why would you be bitter if there was nothing to be bitter about? And why would you invent lies that leave you with nothing to gain? The old "All that live godly in christ jesus shall suffer persecution" just doesn't wash when the stories are coming from your own brothers and sisters about their childhoods. I think continuing to try and get these stories in there any way we can is still a good idea, especially as someone you know is likely to remember and maybe allow themselves to look at it from another angle. Chris, maybe you could try the Hi5 groups? Just tell the whole thing in one hit before they block you.(reply to this comment)