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Midori ko ,Nagano Matsumoto

from nissan - Tuesday, April 19, 2005
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Victor Training Program

Does anyone have information on past teamwork members of the Matsumoto Home especially the ones resonsable for the infamous "Victor Training Program"

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from nissan
Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 16:54


Hey does anyone remember Ernie/Arnie/Aaron father of Abe?

Or to Shepards that went by Eden , Marriane?
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from nissan
Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 16:51


Hey does anyone remember Ernie/Arnie/Aaron father of Abe or Eden, or Marriane?
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From porceleindoll
Friday, April 22, 2005, 00:01

Yeah, I do. Wonder what he's up to these days.(reply to this comment
from SeanSwede
Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 11:00


Does anyone remember the man at the Victor Program who was called Paul (Australien)? What was his real name? Where does he live?

Boy was he one hell of an evil bastard. He abused us children worse than anyone else there at the VC if it where measured on a pressure gauge/diagram. He is in desperate need of paying a visit to a court room.

He was one of the shepards there responsible for one of the groups of kids who where there. He is somebody most of us will never, ever forget. He was bad, I mean really, really bad.

If I ever saw that man again besides Martin aka (Terrance McNally) (to put it in nicer words in respect for this site) I would have few things amongst other stuff to say to them.

May the names of those child abusers be tainted with shame for ever.

Any comments or info?
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From Auty
Friday, April 22, 2005, 07:29

was Paul the guy with the enormous nose? If so, I remember him all too well . . . a real SOB.(reply to this comment
From juniper
Thursday, April 21, 2005, 16:47

Are you talking about Paul of Paul and Joy? If you are I know exactly where they are and what their last name is.(reply to this comment
From Shackled
Thursday, April 21, 2005, 16:37

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I remember when they sent u off to victors. Paul is back in Australia last I heard, which was 10 years ago.

I lived in Midoriko right after the victors was ended but a lot of the shepherds remained. Around 94 I got to help demolish that place. That was a good feeling. (reply to this comment

From dan
Saturday, April 23, 2005, 00:33

it took us forever to dig holes for all the canned goods and burn all the shampoo. that place looked like a park when we were done. i remember planting trees and covering everything with leaves. what riot. not a bad con at all. i bet we could all fool CSI with that kind of training at a young age(reply to this comment
From Oddman
Thursday, April 21, 2005, 19:39

Tearing the place up was fun. I was pretty shocked at how they managed to mess up the huge Tatami mat room. Hey, do you know what they did with the goat they had on a chain? When I showed up to help with the "cleaning" the goat was already gone. (reply to this comment
From Phoenixkidd
Friday, April 22, 2005, 18:12


Thank God you destroyed that place, the scenery was beautiful but the house was crap and so cold, and damp and literally disgusting the drop toilets would get so full from all those kids, it stank so bad. I am glad it's destroyed.(reply to this comment

From Eric Cartman
Thursday, April 21, 2005, 23:27


Goat? Isn't this article about Japan in the 90's? Were you people running a survival farm or something?(reply to this comment

From Phoenixkidd
Thursday, April 21, 2005, 11:32

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Yes, he was quite harsh and put a lot of guilt on us victors, through their religous brainwashing. But he, like all of them were victims of the cult and their group think. If you kissed up enough to them they didn't bother you so much, there have been much greater autrocities and gruesome things done to children and young people, working there was not that bad, it was the long pow-wows, the daily word-classes and the constant battering by David Berg's mad rantings that drove me crazy!(reply to this comment

From SeanSwede
Thursday, April 21, 2005, 12:04

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I am sorry to say this but I am totally shocked at your views about those people and what took place there. Are you part sypmathizer or something. We are supposed to play hardball here and not have the slightest insignificant little softness about ANYthing that happened while in the group. I don`t know but perhaps you haven`t really had your eyes opened enough yet. But that was not the kind of comment anyone would want to hear about what happened at the VC. Don`t let yourself get labeled as some kind of a sypathizer.

We are going all the way with our fight for justice and we need people who are 100% deprogrammed. I read alot of halfassed comments on this site and sad to say there are those who are not totally convinced yet about the truth. Maybe you folks should get right back in there again and get a free taste sample of what YOU ARE NOT SO CONVINCED ABOUT!!(reply to this comment

From vacuous
Friday, April 22, 2005, 12:46

SeanSwede it is nice that you are convinced of the "truth"...still making absolute moral statements like a new engine of values running on the same narrowminded black and white truth track.

What is it with the "we" sounds to me like you are trying to create yet another "we who know the truth bubble"....did you say you were 100 percent deprogrammed?

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From xolox
Thursday, April 21, 2005, 14:42

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Lighten up dude, some people just didn't have it that bad! It tended to be the "rotten apples" that got the brunt of it all. I should know, I spoiled several barrels myself.(reply to this comment
From monger
Thursday, April 21, 2005, 23:19

Yes, good point. Also, SeanSwede, I think it's important to maintain objectivity as much as possible. Justice should be (and is by definition) fair.(reply to this comment
From but
Friday, April 22, 2005, 07:45

Isn't striving for objectivity the job of people other than the survivors, though?(reply to this comment
from oden77
Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 10:19

Read my article about the Victor camp that I went to in Matsumoto
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from EyesWideShut
Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 08:56


It wasn't the teamwork of the Matsumoto home that was responsible. They were just the hosts for all the shepherds that came from the School and elsewhere.

Newheart had his own little concentration camp going on before Victors started there. He was on the teamwork, coincidentally. He sometimes took the Victors during work period, or took us into the woods on hikes, etc. Mostly he was just the work supervisor for the Victors because we were on his turf.

Some of the pioneer Victor shepherds were Ricky & Elaine, of course, Josh (mother-fucker), ______ Ledbetter (can't remember his first name) Australian Paul, Nehemiah (of Ho) and Mercy Sweedish...who else? Auty, help me out.
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From Auty
Thursday, April 21, 2005, 19:42

Newheart (aka Robert Mc Donald) didn't head up the victor program in Matsumoto, he was in charge of the rotten apple camp in Matsumoto which eventually evolved into the victor program (JETT victor program) lead by Martin (Ricky's brother) and Swedish Mercy, along with Aladin (Daniel Lights twin brother). Once Martin got to Matsumoto Newheart just ran the home. The teens (myself included) that were in the rotten apple camp (for two years) prior to the victor program were shipped off to the HCS Dorm under Ricky, Elaine, Faithy, Matthew (John PI), Swedish Beth, Claire & Tony (I think that's it?) I have contact with many of the teens that were subject to Newhearts brutality at the Matsumoto rotten apple camp. You are welcome to email through this site if you require more information.(reply to this comment
From dalai pot lama
Thursday, April 21, 2005, 23:29

As in bald Newheart that brags about being the person to pioneer Russia?(reply to this comment
From Auty
Friday, April 22, 2005, 07:28

yes, he was excommunicated (I think) in Russia for beating his wife . .. ironic nothing happened to him for beating his children, myself and the other teen boys in matsumoto. In the old Berg letters, Berg refers to him as Sir Robert.(reply to this comment
From Lucifer*
Friday, April 22, 2005, 11:29

"Sir Robert" was an alcaholic. I read a "message" ("I'll be ata, you go atd") about him being sent to leadership. They attributed his violent behavior to the effects of alcahol.

I guess that shouldn't be too surprising as David Berg (and probably others) were alcaholics as well.(reply to this comment
From Nina
Friday, April 22, 2005, 22:44


I lived in Russia for four years, and Newheart was the only person I ever heard a Russian call an alcoholic. (reply to this comment

From lucifer*
Friday, April 22, 2005, 11:31

*alcohol*(reply to this comment
From Oddman
Thursday, April 21, 2005, 19:37

Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5(Agree/Disagree?)
Newheart was a major S.O.B. He used to have a home in shiogiri, pre-midoriko, which was pretty fucked up already. There were 14~16 year old adults that walked around with shoe-horns in their back pockets, and used them to whip YC's that stepped out of line.. If I remember, Newheart was a stout advocate of corporal punishment. I had him bleed my butt with a leather belt on a few occasions, but for the most part, I was too young to be in the OC group that he liked to be responsible for.(reply to this comment
From SeanSwede
Thursday, April 21, 2005, 11:09

Josh Ledbetter? Do you mean Peter Shepard?(reply to this comment
From Bedwetter
Thursday, April 21, 2005, 16:43


Sean, your step father(reply to this comment

Thursday, April 21, 2005, 09:20

didn't Nehemiah end up with a nice cushy job travelling around the place making family videos? I seem to remember him doing some filming of the EE camps etc in Hungary a few years back. (reply to this comment
Thursday, April 21, 2005, 09:03

Peter Bedwetter (Ledbetter), James of Genny(reply to this comment
From EyesWideShut
Thursday, April 21, 2005, 09:13

OMG! That's right! Peter and then also James. Both did some terrible shit some some of the boys. In Matsumoto they loved compound demerits. The quicker they could use that horse whip on your hind quarters, the better for them. I got it there--from 2 men, no less.(reply to this comment

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