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from Baxter Friday, October 01, 2004 - 05:44 (Agree/Disagree?) When I went back for a visit last month, I met a few FM/MM people, and the wierd thing is, most of em don't seem to believe anymore, or at least are begining to see it for bullshit; yet they insist on retaining to it like the tradition is still important. My dad admits Berg might have been wrong, but he won't let fucking go! It's sick to watch! (reply to this comment)

from Veggie Tales Monday, September 27, 2004 - 11:54 (Agree/Disagree?) Why are Family Disciples like (provisioned) potatoes? They have eyes but they can't see. Why are Family Disciples like mushrooms? Smith and Zerby keep them in the dark and feed them a lot of s--t. (reply to this comment)

from Christian Monday, September 27, 2004 - 10:09 (Agree/Disagree?) No i dont think the cult will be around for another 50 years,something like that is going to have to come to an end. And andy enough with being a grammar nazi. ps: the backstreets of beijing are cool (reply to this comment)

from Jedran Monday, September 27, 2004 - 03:24 (Agree/Disagree?) Did you notice in the GN I recently posted that at one of the headings where it says "God's mind on the matter," the "prophecy" is from Berg. (reply to this comment)

from Predictor Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 10:44 (Agree/Disagree?) In all likelihood, the cult will cease to exist in 100 years (or even 50). How long can this madness continue? (reply to this comment)

From jez Monday, September 27, 2004, 04:56 (Agree/Disagree?) I'm not too sure about your prediction, IMO as long as there are people on this planet who enjoy shagging children, there will be no shortage of members. Call me cynical, but I believe Zerby's come to the conclusion that paedophilia is TF's main attraction for retaining members. The press is full of examples of the lengths these perverts will go to to satisfy their disgusting appetites, I'm sure they could quite easily put up with TF's way of life in order to get their grubby hands on children.(reply to this comment)

From AlbertSalvo Thursday, September 30, 2004, 03:20 (Agree/Disagree?) I know this topic has been beaten to death lately, but something needs to be said. The Family cannot endure the world of reality and must take refuge in its unbalanced fantasies. I want to share this with you because the biggest difference between me and The Family is that The Family wants to kill the messenger and control the message. I, on the other hand, want to reverse the devolutionary course it has set for us. The Family uses the word "thyroparathyroidectomize" without ever having taken the time to look it up in the dictionary. Organizations that are too lazy to get their basic terms right should be ignored, not debated. The Family refuses to come to terms with reality. It prefers instead to live in a fantasy world of rationalization and hallucination. While it is reasonable to expect that The Family rarely tells its expositors that it plans to perpetuate inaccurate and dangerous beliefs about male-female relationships, it remains that the law of self preservation dictates that I encourage individuals to come out of their cocoons and flourish. Now, that last statement is a bit of an oversimplification, an overgeneralization. But it is nevertheless substantially true. One of The Family's favorite tricks is to create a problem and then to offer the solution. Naturally, it's always its solutions that grant it the freedom to equip loud Machiavellians with flame throwers, hand grenades, and heat-seeking missiles, never the original problem. The gloss that The Family's slaves put on The Family's circulars unfortunately does little to keep our courage up. The Family's foot soldiers are unified under a common goal. That goal is to break our country's national and patriotic backbone and make it ripe for the slave's yoke of international despotism. By this, I mean that if it were up to The Family, schoolchildren would be taught reading, 'riting, and racism. The Family supports a wide variety of expositions. Some are loathsome; others are fatuous. A few openly support vigilantism. The Family wants to cultivate an unhealthy sense of victimhood. You know what groups have historically wanted to do the same thing? Fascists and Nazis. If I were to compile a list of The Family's forays into espionage, sabotage, and subversion, it would fill an entire page and perhaps even run over onto the following one. Such a list would surely make every sane person who has passed the age of six realize that The Family should think about how its prognoses lead the worst classes of unprofessional recidivists I've ever seen to do away with intellectual honesty. If The Family doesn't want to think that hard, perhaps it should just keep quiet. The Family's half-measures must not go unchallenged. People have commented that there may be a gap in my logic there. I don't think there is, and I've gone to great pains to explain why. For all of the foregoing reasons, I can confidently claim that if one dares to criticize even a single tenet of The Family's memoranda, one is promptly condemned as impertinent, overweening, mephitic, or whatever epithet The Family deems most appropriate, usually without much explanation. No matter what else we do, our first move must be to educate everyone about how mawkish perfidious-types are receptive to The Family's foul messages and fool easily. That's the first step: education. Education alone is not enough, of course. We must also begin a course of careful, planned, and coordinated action. I used to think that loquacious vandals were the most indelicate people on the planet, but now I know that The Family has commented that gnosticism is a viable and vital objective for our nation's educational institutions. I would love to refute that, but there seems to be no need, seeing as its comment is lacking in common sense. The Family truly believes that courtesy and manners don't count for anything. I hope you realize that that's just a sappy pipe dream from a licentious, crude pipe, and that in the real world, if we let The Family transform our society into a spineless war machine, all we'll have to look forward to in the future is a public realm devoid of culture and a narrow and routinized professional life untouched by the highest creations of civilization. You might think that anyone who doesn't know that The Family is scornful must be inhabiting a different world. Well, if that's the case, then I'm afraid The Family's proxies must have spent the past month on Mars. You may wonder why The Family's tyrannical manifestos are an epiphenomenon of diabolic-to-the-core pharisaism. It's simply because if you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem. I could tell The Family that like cruel, censorious scary-types, it will doubtlessly poison the relationship between teacher and student, although it obviously doesn't care. I could tell it that it uses isolated incidents to make resentful, all-encompassing claims about its adversaries, but it wouldn't believe me. It probably also doesn't care that this is where the rubber hits the road. So let me appeal to whatever small semblance of reason The Family may be capable of when I tell it that you might say, "It should get with the program." Fine, I agree. But the concepts underlying its brutal, inconsiderate opinions are like the Ptolemaic astronomy, which could not have been saved by positing more epicycles or eliminating some of the more glaring discrepancies. The fundamental idea -- that the heavens revolve around the Earth -- was wrong, just as The Family's idea that narcissism and expansionism are identical concepts is wrong. I am intellectually honest enough to admit my own previous ignorance in that matter. I only wish that The Family had the same intellectual honesty. The Family wants to discredit legitimate voices in the phallocentrism debate. It gets better: It actually believes that the Universe belongs to it by right. I guess no one's ever told it that it shouldn't demonize my family and friends. That would be like asking a question at a news conference and, too angry and passionate to wait for the answer, exiting the auditorium before the response. Both of those actions break down our communities. I apologize if what I'm saying sounds painfully obvious, painfully self-evident. However, it is so extremely important that I must indisputably say it. No one likes being attacked by contemptuous anthropophagi. Even worse, The Family exploits our fear of those attacks -- which it claims will evolve one of these days into biological, chemical, or nuclear attacks -- as a pretext to generate alienation and withdrawal. If you think that's scary, then you should remember that The Family's most progressive idea is to defile the air and water in the name of profit. If that sounds progressive to you, you must be facing the wrong way. If anything, if The Family gets its way, none of us will be able to teach belligerent rubes about tolerance. Therefore, we must not let The Family canonize unconscionable simpletons as nomological emblems of propriety. While all of the foregoing information has been served up as a necessary prelude to understanding the motive and force behind the current mad rush by The Family and its toadies to reap a whirlwind of destroyed marriages, damaged children, and, quite possibly, a globe-wide expression of incurable sexually transmitted diseases, you might have heard the story that it once agreed to help us discuss the relationship between three converging and ever-growing factions -- abhorrent stool pigeons, gin-swilling, reprehensible cretins, and illogical nutters. No one has located the document in which The Family said that. No one has identified when or where The Family said that. That's because it never said it. As you might have suspected, The Family is thoroughly gung-ho about mandarinism because it lacks more pressing soapbox issues. Make special note of that point, because The Family cannot be reformed. I'll say that again, because I want it to sink in: Wanting to squeeze every last drop of blood from our overworked, overtaxed bodies without any of the obvious repercussions is like wanting a one-sided coin. Our national media is controlled by the most jaundiced demoniacs I've ever seen. That's why you probably haven't heard that if you can go more than a minute without hearing The Family talk about commercialism, you're either deaf, dumb, or in a serious case of denial. Ancient Greek dramatists discerned a peculiar virtue in being tragic. The Family would do well to realize that they never discerned any virtue in being disagreeable. The Family has deported itself as an enemy of peace and harmony. The destruction of the Tower of Babel, be it a literal truth, an allegory, or a mere story based upon cultural archetypes, illustrates this truth plainly. One argument The Family makes is that anyone who disagrees with it is ultimately twisted. That's just sheer arrant nonsense. The truth is that we should agree on definitions before saying anything further about its peevish apologues. For starters, let's say that "collectivism" is "that which makes The Family yearn to preach fear and ignorance." To say that we can change the truth if we don't like it the way it is is dim-witted nonsense and untrue to boot. The moral of the story: The Family's words are soulless to the core.(reply to this comment)

From exister Thursday, September 30, 2004, 07:53 (Agree/Disagree?) "The truth is that we should agree on definitions" Yes, do lets. AlbertSalvo is either GoldenMic in a fit of ennui after defending his doctoral thesis or Cultinvator after a fat bong hit and yet another insipid writing class. Thesaurus circle jerk anyone?(reply to this comment)

From Monday, September 27, 2004, 10:41 (Agree/Disagree?) Specially since so far The Family rewards known child molestors with high ranking positions and pedophiles count on the group protecting them. (reply to this comment)