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Getting Real : Speak your peace
Strange things are happening | from Jedran - Wednesday, April 28, 2004
accessed 3656 times There's a lot of strange new shit going on in the Family right now. There's a lot of strange new shit going on in the Family right now.
I'm sure that most of you aren't surprised by that as it is pretty much the normal state of affairs. I'm not sure if this is the right category for this article (more of a paragraph really) but I just wanted to let you all know that as of June 30th, the Family will go on a six month withdrawal of all "worldly influences." That means the following will not be allowed:
1. No movies
2. No computer games
3. No internet except for "business purposes"
4. No "system music"
5. No novels or self-help books
6. Basically nothing that is not released or approved by the Family leadership
7. Naturally no going on to evil sites such as this one
In one of their recent GNs they have also been expressly told to quit writing any ex-Family members, friends or relatives who are "having a detrimental effect on their spiritual lives" i.e. telling them that what they believe is pure nonsense or stating that maybe the Family isn't what its cracked up to be.
Just thought some of you might be interested.
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from pywakkit
Friday, May 21, 2004 - 13:55
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Was there ever a time when a lot of strange things were NOT happening in The Family? The era of obedience and restructuring is new shit? You got it right when you said "it is pretty much the normal state of affairs." I think you've lived long enough to have some perspective. Also, at 17 your brain has developed to the point you can think abstractly, which means you can analyze and critique the wacko explanations for reality emanating from leadership. So that puts you at least 15 IQ points and 13 years of developmental maturity ahead of Maria Mobius Strip and Peter Pinhead. The leadership's longstanding preoccupation with cleanse and purge is interesting. Isn't that what douche-bags and enemas are for?
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| | | | from nobody
Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 13:55
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This is not to defend Amos for some of the stuff he has said, but to poor kid is only seventeen. I do remember how many of us reacted when our friends started to leave. The F is the only life that he has known and it’s would be normal for him to defend it. Being as young as he is he most probably didn’t see a lot of the sexual abuse. And if one has grown up with violence it can seem quite normal.
After leaving and comparing what should have been a childhood with society one realizes how much we have been robbed, but the poor kid has nothing to compare it to.
Due to the fact he’s on this site I give him about a year or two before he leaves. Good luck to Amos, I hope that you find the courage to leave the F and start building a life for yourself; it’s not an easy thing to do but is worth it.
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| | | | from Shaka
Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 21:23
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I called my Mom to ask her yet again the reason for her being in TF. Her response was, "Oh don't worry, we're either going MM or FM"! WTF?? As far as I'm concerned it makes no difference if you're a cult member on weekends or fulltime, if you get all the GN's or just a few, if you follow all the teachings to the letter or just the ones you absolutely have to to stay in. You are still a cult member and are as bad as the ones spewing all that shit.
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| | | |  From Haunted
Monday, May 17, 2004, 04:45
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Yeah, but hey - at least it's a start. From what I've seen, once they are no longer full-time members (whatever the hell the latest term for it is - I lose track), it's only a matter of time before they start to see the error of their ways once they are no longer entirely enveloped by cult doctrine. Once they begin interacting with society at large on a regular basis they begin to feel less like the elite and more like losers. (reply to this comment) |
| | From itsxena2u
Friday, May 21, 2004, 17:31
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Yeah, let's just hope they "backslide" little by little if they can't do it all at once! For some people leaving little by little is easier on their conciousness! It's sort of like quitting smoking. If you quit "cold turkey" it may give you a heart-atack. BUT, if you start cutting down on the amount of cigarettes you smoke, start chewing tobacco or using the patch instead, you're body starts getting used to the change.
Correct me if I'm wrong (I know some of you are jumping at the chance!), but living in TF can sometimes be like a bad addiction. During my last years in TF I knew a lot of things were not right, I wanted to leave. But I was scared. Maybe it was because I had never known what it was like to live outside TF, or because I had heard "traumatic testimonies" of what folks went through before they joined or after they left. (remember, TF NEVER publishes success stories) I thought that anyone who left was destined to be cursed for the rest of their lives. (well I might be exaggerating a bit).
Am I making sense? What I'm trying to say is that I didn't leave alone and I didn't do it right away. I had help. A good friend of mine told me that she wanted to leave for so long and if it hadn't been for her husband in helping her leave that she might've still been in. It's a frightening feeling. Not knowing how to interact with those who seem to have little in common with you or can even relate to what you've experienced. You wonder if you're capable or even sufficiently educated enough to get a good job, you wonder how you're gonna get help with your kids, get an education or even own a home! I don't know, maybe that's just me.
I wonder how many people are successful the minute they leave TF? Unless they've had help from others, I think a lot of people start by living with relatives or renting a small apartment while earning a salary of anywhere from 12K-20K a year. Then after being "out" for a few years and adjusting to their "new life", they have an education and/or a good paying job and may have even saved up enough to put a down payment on a house.
I think members who change to FM status and get jobs and start living the normal life start realizing that the world isn't what TF portrays it to be and they like it, then it's much easier to leave. It's not such a big deal anymore. They already have their jobs/home. Now the only thing left to do is change the "FM status" to "NO status", quit sending in their tithe, cancel their subscription to the mailings and quit ordering more "tools"
Anyway, I think this whole "restructuring" might be a good thing in a way. Oh hell! I don't know! Comments anyone?(reply to this comment) |
| | from Baxter
Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 14:25
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I imagine that this is an illustration of a monster in it's death throes. That the family was always a personality cult can never be in doubt. Berg may have been certifiably and criminally insane, yet it was his leadership that kept the family in his perverted line. Zerby clearly has neither the charisma nor the assertion of personality to maintain his grip over the flock; in a way her leadership has been the best, or worst thing that ever happened to the organisation. Her reliance on prophecy is an illustration of her lack of basic intelligence- at least Berg's crap had relative cohesion, and was at times marginally original. She has neither the grasp of affairs to rely on her own intellect, nor the personality to assert herself. She gave the Family powers and freedoms that Berg would not have given a momentary thought, and now she realises her mistake and is trying to pick up the pieces.
Having read James Penn's different article, I came to the conclusion that Zerby has never really had much of an articulated sense of direction. Like he himself says, she's gone through the closet into Narnia. Hopefully, she'll get lost there!
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| from jezz
Friday, May 14, 2004 - 09:02
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just wondering if anybody can get ahold of the gnz about the boy in taiwan who was not "staying in the lords spirit" and went a bit crazy. its quite recent and there are two of them. would b much appreciated.
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| | | | From Banshee
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 14:22
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These GNs are posted on the "exfamily" website. There is a link on the main page to the site.
It is simply sickening how they are taking this boy's (I use that term loosely) mental health problems as well as Megan's tragic death and using them as fear-tactic examples of "what can happen when you disobey the Lord!" It is equally repulsive to me that the parents and relatives of these young people would allow the cult to vilify their lives and demean their tragedies in such a deplorable and manipulative manner. You might as well spit on Megan's grave.
What is simply ridiculous about it is Zerby’s list of supposed “problems and sins” that these young people supposedly “succumbed” to that would cause “God’s Wrath” to be so great as to stricken one person dead and another mentally ill. Idiotic things like being proud, having “an unfruitful relationship” and other such nonsense. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | from a grain of salt
Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 05:24
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jedran another purge yourself self improvement trip no doubt.....one more S2K,Conviction vs Compromise etc etc.....it is necessary for the survival of the cult....but im sure u already knew that
A
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| from dave
Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 01:34
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Again? Even the most restrictive countries in the world realize people have got to relax and let their hair down every once in awhile, especially their youth. I just can't imagine what it's like to be in the cult these days. Won't they feel even more cut off from the world than they already are? Sad.
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| From awsomeA
Tuesday, May 18, 2004, 11:30
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Uh hello people who are too far on their pride trip to face reality. were not cut off from the world, we have more interaction and fellowship then u'll ever have. we have tons of fun and were living for something other than ourselves.maybe its because u know what were doing is right, and a bit jealous because u'll never be able to make the sacrifce that we do (try) and so u cannot reap the rewards. but its ok, u dont have to be perfect, jsut do your best and the lord will bless u cuz he knows the sacrifice that ur going thru.
if loving the lord is wrong i dont wanna ever be right.(reply to this comment) |
| | From frmrjoyish
Friday, May 21, 2004, 06:40
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Damn! I actually feel too sorry for this poor kid to rip into him. He's only 17, obviously doesn't know a damn thing about life other than the BS shoved down his throught and here he is making a vallient effort at letting his light shine before the Vandari. It's things like this that make me furious with despicable cult. I hate it and everything it stands for. This poor child who obviously has lots of spunk and potential is probably ruined for life. He's nothing but a little robot spitting out everything he's been programmed. Poor kid! (reply to this comment) |
| | From exister
Friday, May 21, 2004, 07:51
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The fact that he is 17 only increases my annoyance at him. I generally detest smarmy, lecherous teenagers, but when they start carrying on with their pubescent banter I start to wonder where the back of their daddy's hand is when it's needed. You may notice that my remarks to Amos are rather sparse. This is because for the most part I find him too laughable and annoying to even validate.
One point of note though is that he seems excessively preoccupied with creature comforts. Has The Family become obsessed with the physical trappings of life the way priests become obsessed with little boys, or do they think that material comfort is the only value system that former members respond to?(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From l
Friday, May 21, 2004, 07:37
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Once I realized he wasn't an FG I really felt for him too. In the chat room the other day I told him that if I were in his shoes and was told that the continued existence of The Family is now in question, like the Restructuring GNs are saying, I would have been hugely relieved and my fingers would have cramped from being crossed so hard. He says "yeah, that's real sly," and I told him "sly is what Maria calls us when there's nothing else she can say 'cause she knows we're right."
Hey awsomeA, see you around soon. I will personally send you a big box of Famous Amos cookies as a welcome out here prezzie (and I'll think of you with good wishes each time I see some at the store!).(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Sir Rantalot
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 06:51
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"u'll never be able to make the sacrifce that we do (try) and so u cannot reap the rewards. but its ok, u dont have to be perfect,"
That's exactly the problem of a cult, that's what keeps 'em in TF. Think you're making a sacrifice? Do love to hear people telling you all day long when witnessing what saints you are? Think you're on some special mission to save the world? Why do you think a lot of us exers went though times of depression after leaving? Because we too were drugged with those notions of grandieur, waking up to the fact that you're not special, that you're not god's elite and that you like everyone else doesn't have a clue as to where we came from is a reality shock. I think it takes a lot more sacrifice to face the truth and work eight hours a day at a repetitive job to survive, realizing you are no more unique to your boss than everyone else.
Not to say that we like to work at shit jobs, but if you talk about sacrifice, I believe we far out do you innocent Fam kiddies. (reply to this comment) |
| | From Haunted
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 04:59
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Well then, I guess he's hit the nail on the head - in his own words, he's wrong....
The lovely thing is that not only can we here on this site live for others, such as our families, children and friends, but we can also live for ourselves and do a fine job of it!
Horray for the Vandari!!! (Oh, and do be sure to thank Zerby for the awsome Halloween costume ideas! Actually, you might not want to mention this, since I'm sure you'll be in "trouble" for reading the devil's doubts and lies here.)(reply to this comment) |
| | From
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 00:42
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I thought people like you weren’t allowed to come on this site. Quick pray for forgiveness and read more cult publications. You run along now and reap the rewards of being a zombie for Jesus; we on the other prefer the rewards of the flesh. Money, cars, houses, sex with people we want to sleep with (not grannies), holidays in the sun, not having to say goodbye to love ones are to just name a few. Don’t worry, at this rate one day you will as sad and crazy as your parents. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Shaka
Tuesday, May 18, 2004, 21:21
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Listen you little shit, when you win the lottery I'll be jealous, when you fuck Angelina Jolie I'll be jealous. When you're living out your pathetic little existance following every command of a blind bitch from hell, I am not nor will I ever be, JEALOUS!!! Now get the fuck off this site! What would Jesus think of you reading these naughty lies of the Devil? Go and jack off to Jesus and your Bible. By the way, how is it that you can read King James English but you write like a dyslexic Mongoloid?(reply to this comment) |
| | From The Pedantic Prick
Friday, May 21, 2004, 10:53
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Actually, you'd be ENVIOUS. If Angelina Jolie were your girlfriend, and awsomeA had sex with her, THEN you'd be jealous. (I realize the distinction between "jealous" and "envious" is almost non-existent in everyday banter.)
Also, why not use the hypothetical tense? Saying "when you fuck Angelina Jolie" makes it sound like it's actually a possibility. Try "if you managed to fuck anyone vaguely resembling Angelina Jolie, I'd be envious" See how much better that works? (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From The Grammar Nazi
Tuesday, May 18, 2004, 16:59
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I think it's really sweet that your profile describes you as a "fool for Christ," because your spelling is so atrocious, you clearly are a fool! I know that you have sacrificed your education to do what you feel is the Lord's will, but I have childhood memories of learning to capitalize "God" or "the Lord," when referring to a deity (yes, I learned this in the cult). I hope God's not a stickler about correct capitalization, cause if I were He, I would have smote you before you even hit the "Submit" button. Isn't there something in the Psalms about "A fool hath said in his post, 'Lord requires no capital L'"?
Blasphemously,
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| | | | | | | | | | | From Baxter
Tuesday, May 18, 2004, 16:45
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Validate the existence of God, you smug fuck! VALIDATE YOUR FUCKING FAITH!! WHAT SACRIFICE ARE YOU MAKING?? I dare you, comprehend your own godawful assertions! WHY DO YOU BELIEVE IN GOD? I dare you to really interact with the big FUCKING world that exists beyond your doorstep! SEE THE BIG FUCKING PICTURE!! Who do you really live for? Explain, you myopic twit! What rewards do you reap? How can you claim to have made an educated decision with your life when you've never considered the alternatives; and I don't mean think about it. I mean, look from an alternative perspective. What sacrifice can i or any one else be jeaolous of?
You exist in the service of an ideal you simply assume is a genuine presence in the world. Let me ask you a question. If God does exist, and he made us the way we are for a purpose, created us with the universal aspects of our nature that we see in some form or other in everyone, made us critical, doubtful, logical, destructive, why wouldn't he give us some way to validate his existence? He creates a world, his presence is not acknowledged, the world goes to shit, what kind of god would that be? What kind of a god would create an experiment with a perconcluded outcome? I'd call that god a fucking sadist, mate! If he does exist, I want fuck all to do with him!
But that's okey, you just carry on with your blind faith, and you be happy in youre blind fucking faith, you just believe what your told because mummy and daddy told you (don't deny it until you've genuinely considered why you believe it). You believe in things that aren't there because you want to, well, I'm not gonna stop you! But someday, just take the time to make a conscious observation, before you go strafing the outside world!
And Read! Read what you're not supposed to read!! Read what they tell you will take away your faith!!! If your faith is truly based on something divine, it will be unassailable!!! Open your fucking mind, you incubated microcosm!(reply to this comment) |
| | From dan
Wednesday, July 07, 2004, 04:45
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i can never hope to match the elequence of your post. i agree and have always felt that if there was god (he don't get caps from me) then he would be responsible for all the shit that goes on. if that is the case he and I are going to have words if ever we meet. to say that the death of avery child is god's will and divine plane is to call him a sadistic ass-hole. i can't live my life wanting to sredd the guts from a diety so i except the theory that there is a chance that go just aint around.
i may be wrong and i may die and have to meet the man. if that is the case he had better be prepared cuase i am in no mood to hear his shit. if it lives it can die. it"s win win. all i need to do is get an interview withthe boss and take him out.
what is the more likely option out there a big thrown in the sky or not? lastly..... rewards??? what the fuck is this kid on? refuckingwards? i can't pay you now but if you do a great job all your life i'll pay you in whampom. the curency may end up being a bit devalued. shit boy, how do you know the bank of heaven ain't bankrupt? the Chatholic church say's it is. something to think about.
don't forget; even if you get paid up the sky you have eternity to spend it. i don't know about you but many of us work a long time to retire. now if you're to live for eternity sounds like you boss may have trouble working that. those pension plans need people working to pay in. look at social security. to many people not paying enough in. they only live to be about 80 the whole eternity thing is going to give you problems. he is god though and figured out how to make the whole world. can't seem to make it work either. why would heaven be any better?
lastly once again. perspective. seems another issue you are going to have to tackle. if haeven is for eterity you are going to be spending all your time looking back on the good ol' days. why didn't i get raving drunk? why didn't i screw suzie q? and why oh why didn't i eat sushi off a naked chick, or in this kids case a hot dude.
to each his own. a life of excitement and gratuatous pleasure of eternity of kicking yourself in the arse, working for a sadistic pric who kills babies. you choose. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From awsomeA
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 01:10
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ahh sweet simpletons. the reason i know there is a god is by faith, i have faith that god will supply something, and he does, cmon, the family lives totally by faith, uve been in homes, uve seen the miracles yourself. it would be crazy NOT to believe in a higher power, dont u guys know how much you're missing out on in the family, dont u know that we have all the power in heaven and in hell to our disposal thru the keys? and and dont deviate from the point to pick on my spelling and such, just because i wont waste precious effort on king james english doent mean i cant spell, simply ludacris, fyi i finished Senior high school when i was 15, which is prolly alot younger than u simple half wits could ever accomplish. and u know we do plenty of stuff for fun, man we tons of stuff, ice skating ,soccer tournaments, hiking, and ill bet our holidays are alot beter than yours, our last one we were on which was only like 3 months ago (with another scheduled for the end of july) was in a 5 start resort, and get this, we didnt pay for it,now id call that the blessings of the lord, at least we didnt waste our hard earned (and for you it really must be hard earned). ah its so lovely to be doing the lords will.
cya ppl
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| | From dan
Wednesday, July 07, 2004, 05:27
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conning little old ladies out of thier hard saved cash by playing charity is not hard earned. we were con men. i have seen few con men better than my fellow missionaries.
you are a con artist if you are in the field. if you are ws or some thing in that vein you are a bloodsucking opportunist. either way, feel good about your self as a person. the wealth of the wicked is laid up for the just. ya baby you got it i want it. and god will pay you back ten fold.
just because you can sell it don't make it right. it is all about confidence. you're in sales and you sell guilt. you may have a different demographic than the romans but in the end they are just bigger and better at fleecing the flock. doesn't it make you wounder why the church has called perspective victims sheep? it is so they can be fleeced. being open and receptive are the prime ingrediants to being a sheep. and just like in picking a mark, they have to be greedy. they have to believe that shit about god paying them back ten fold. you get those three things together and you can con to great effect.
i'm sorry i'm lecturing you on the subject on which you are most versed. this is how you earn your bread. don't for one fucking second think that this gets you into the good bracket of people. you are right down there with pond scum. so thank the lord you haven't come to my house and asked for a free hotel stay. i have a cellar you can use, stop on by.
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| | From Baxter
Thursday, May 20, 2004, 02:34
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Are you deliberately taking the piss out of yourself? DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
EXPERIMENT: I HAVE FAITH THAT THERE IS A MILLION POUNDS IN MY BACK POCKET! Oh shit, no luck! Miracles? Yes, my mum bringing a dirty old rich man home and sitting on his lap in front of the whole fucking house- I guess that was a miracle, wasn't it?
So because you can't comprehend the nature of existence you come up with most comfortable explananation for yourself and you hold to it? Consider the logic of your position for a moment, mate!
If there is a higher power, we might imagine that the nature of the universe is a reflection of his entity. If the universe is descriptive of the nature of God, and we cannot understand him (Berg admitted as much himself), WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU TRY TO FRANCHISE HIM? Isn't that a little contradictory?
Think, you dozy twat!
PS. If you finished high school at 15, you are a walking demonstration of how shit family education is. In the normal world education is not about simply stuffing your head full of facts and figure, but generating the ability to process and analyse ideas and concepts, to affect discursion and debate- because, regardless of whether or not the family want you to believe it, There are NO absolutes. What we know now will evolve, or perhaps completely change in the future. THe family can't keep you trapped in the 19th century and think that they're giving you a decent education.
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| | | | | From Anamorph
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 12:10
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I would like to address the point you made about 'living by faith'.
The main problem with that statement is that it supposedly means that all your needs are met by God with little effort on your part. I remember from my own experience that that was not the case. I was often out day after day going to shops/factories/houses or anywhere else we could find people to sell (for a donation, which was set at a strangely uncompetitive rate) some sort of video/pamphlet/tape/CD etc. At the weekends we would sing at restaurants, or busking, for money. All of this helped to keep us afloat financially, not very well, but enough to survive. These methods of earning a living were not living by faith. We relied on people’s generosity. Backpacker's and gap year student's do this kind of thing to support their travels all the time, is it a miracle for them too? Most of them don’t make it a career move either.
Another problem with living this way is that you have no way of saving or starting a pension or owning a property. Also what of your children, if you have any, or decide to have any, what will you be able to support them with if they decide not to follow your transient way of life? I say this because I know of a few cases where kids have left and been thrown out on their own with almost no support, is this how God rewards all that living by faith? Because I would have thought He could throw in a bit extra to help for these beloved missionaries of His to support their kids.
Anyway, I have no problem with young people roaming Africa and having a great time. Just think about your future, because the longer you leave it the harder it becomes to find a place in society.
You’ve got 5 and a half months soon to think a great deal seeing you won’t be allowed to do much else. I suggest daydreaming during the never-ending word classes and prophecy meetings.
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| | From highonhigh
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 09:17
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Amos you are not talking to some sheep here we are all ex. which means we know the truth of how things really are. This must be a joke. You actualy think that after some of us lived 15 or 20 years of our lives in the group we feel that now that we are out we are missing out & our lives are so bad because we have to work hard. The pleasure of the hard earned money that I work for, can't compare to the begging we used to make ,living like a parisite. "provisioning" from good people to get from their hard earned money just because we thought we deserved because we thought we are better than they are, sucks, I find no blessing in that. It's a pleasure when I get my pay check & I have the freedom to do whatever I want with it & I don't need to lie & beg anymore. You feel sorry for us & I pity you for your blidness.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From Joe H
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 11:17
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This could be a great anti-cult ad! (The imagery is of some young people taking a NORMAL road trip)
"Dinner at Golden Corral - $30.
Room at Motel 6 - $55
2 bottles of Potter Vodka and some - $20
Getting shitfaced, knowing you didn't have to provision anything, or be a "good sample" - priceless!
There are some things money can't buy. For everything else, there's GETTING OFF YOUR ASS AND GETTING A GOD-DAMN JOB!"(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From JohnnieWalker
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 08:20
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Amos, you say "it would be crazy NOT to believe in a higher power". Perhaps you don't realize that many of us that have left the Family continue to have miracles (or fortunate coincidences--whatever you prefer to call them) happen to us, and most of us have thrown any resemblance of a belief in God out the window.
If miracles are the proof of God's existence, then it would be crazy TO believe in a higher power. (Let me guess, your comeback is going to be something like: "God still does miracles for you even though you don't believe in him." )
I'll give you an example: I will be flying to Disney World in Orlando with my wife and 2 girls, spending 3 days there before going on a cruise to the Bahamas for another 3 days.
How much am I shelling out for this? Nothing. And I haven't done a single thing to deserve it from God.
You know, there is a lot of anger in the tone of your posts. Anger doesn't come from inner peace. Why are you angry? Why do boast about the wonderful life you lead when it seems you aren't even truly happy inside?
And, by the way, if I were you, I would reconsider the use of the words "half wits" to describe us until you get to know us better.(reply to this comment) |
| | From moon beam
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 09:04
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Well said JW. Amos look at the facts, COG has hurt/lost more people then they've saved, surely thats failure in anyones book, your fighting a loosing battle. I too experience "miracles" but thats down to me/coincidence and good will, if it is from God then it dosen't really make a difference whether I believe/give up my family/sacrifice my personal morrals/retreat into blind faith or not, does it? because if thats how you rate how much your "in the spirit" and loved by god then I must be too-so be happy!
JW is right when he says you sound angry and illogical,when by your account, you should be "resting in jesus's loving arms." (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From xhrisl
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 03:05
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Deconstructing myth.
· The ideological delineation of a circular argument rests upon the premise that its proposition and conclusion cannot be validated independently. Hence the argument;
a.) I believe in God as a matter of faith.
b.) Therefore God gives me more faith.
Is classified firstly as a circular argument, and secondly as a weak argument. Circular arguments are nothing new and are most commonly used to support a belief system.
· The assumption that belief in your concept of a ‘higher power’ as a prerequisite to happiness and self-actualization is the hallmark of all fundamentalist belief structures the world over.
· We have been there and done that---yes, we do know what we are missing out on. Furthermore, we aren’t really missing it anymore.
· The Keys are a delusional off-take of J.R.R. Tolkien’s rings.
· I won’t pick on your spelling!
· I graduated from college!
· Each individual’s concept of fun is different; as such the activities you enjoy might not be appealing to others.
· Having done my share of proselytizing while in The Family, I am certain of the belief that the ‘fruits’ or ‘rewards’ accorded to those who live such a lifestyle have less to do with Devine blessing, than they have to do with the generosity of one’s fellow man. (reply to this comment) |
| | From nobody
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 01:47
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Ask anyone here if they would go back to being in the cult, I’m pretty sure that anyone will say that leaving was the best decision that they ever made. When I was about 14 and ‘personal wit’ someone asked me how I could be so sure of what I believed, seeing as I had nothing to compare my life with, that comment made me question things and eventually leave when I was 18. The fact that you are on this site in the first place insinuates that you are not a good little cultie. Leaving is not easy it’s leaving behind everything that you know but it is worth it. If you were smart enough to finish your high school education at the age you say you did I would seriously consider university. The longer you stay the more likely you are to have children, although many of us have left with children it is a lot harder to adjust when there are others to care for. (reply to this comment) |
| | From
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 01:21
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The F doesn’t live by faith, they live be deception and lies while claiming to be missionaries. How is it possible for someone to live by faith when they live of welfare or benefits? Why don’t you calculation how much money your parents have given to the cult, money that should have been yours. Don’t forget to add on how much money you would have gotten paid for all the work you have done. (reply to this comment) |
| | From awsomeA
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 02:27
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ah shame, such a one tracked mind, dont u get it, i dont want to live for myself, i want to live for others, DUH, even thinking outside of the family, the bible says 'go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature' and the family is the best place to do it. this year in january we did a road trip into mozambique, 6 of us in an opel cadett, we went with nothing, we proviosned everything, every day wed get to a new city, provision accomadation in 3,4 and 5 star resorts, it was basically a vacation, dont u see how much the lord blesses you when u do what he asks?? i dont need extra money, everything i need the lord provides, all i do is ask in faith. maybe u'll realise its not all about living for yourself. tada
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| | | | | | | | From Elle
Friday, May 21, 2004, 15:55
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"... we went on a road trip.... we went with nothing... we provisioned everything... basically a vacation..."
So you're a bunch of beggars then, claiming to be helping other beggars. Nice. Africa doesn't need beggars, Amos, nor white people roaming around for their own sake. They've had enough of that already. I see you love it there and you're getting loads of attention (like being a blonde in Paris perhaps?) but if you really want to live for others, go work on your own plank because you're sounding so blind to me and gosh, Amos, you're already seventeen.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From cheeks
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 07:16
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Amos, you have a right to your opinion everyone in this site does. We have lived the life, we have walked the walk and talked the talk. We know what is about and have chosen for whatever reason it was not for us. There are many on this site that are not Christian, I am. I have made a personal decision it was not for me and I do not wish my kids to be raised in that environment.
I am glad for you that you feel that you are making a diffrence in this world. Perhaps you are. There are so many charities that need help and are really doing good and I am part of those. I have a challenge for you I want you to read through all the latest doctrines from the past seven years and really ask yourself if you belive them. Or are you just there for the good works and the easy lifestyle. Because if you are there for the good works only or the life style you are doing the wrong thing. You need to honestly examine your beliefs because Loving Jesus and Go for the Gold are contrary to the Word of God they have little or nothing to do with what the Bible actually says.
If you are strong in your faith this will not shake you but if you are not it will blow you away. The fast is comming up soon and you will need to decide if you wish to remain in the Family and I hope for your sake you make the decision that is right for you. Just keep in mind that there are a lot of other ways you can serve God and other people you could even stay in the country you are in. Think about it. If you wish to contact me privately just go to my profile I would love to talk to you.
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| | From nobody
Thursday, May 20, 2004, 11:52
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I do find it a little strange that people have jumped on this kid, we all used to be like him. Maybe it’s just people trying to distance themselves from there past. It’s quite shocking how aggressive some people are.
I would almost put money on that these were the same people who used to be compelled to ‘report’ on there friends when in the F for bad attitudes (getting the boy they wanted).
The same kind of people who used to turn their noses up at anyone who was on ‘silence restriction’, yes it was the first generation who do initiate things. But the so called elitists bullies who used to hid behind their so called beliefs added insult to the injury.
On this note I would like to say that in the time that I have known cheeks, she has always stood up for her friends no matter what the consequences where and been able to see past what people may outwardly show, it’s nice to see that you haven’t changed.
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| | | | | From awsomeA
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 09:32
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ha, nice and sly there, u know, the way the devil does, kinda pretends to be your friend, and altho i appreciate the sweet offer, i have to decline, because im not here for the ride, im here because i believe 120% in what i do, and i see miracles every day, i see how much love people show, how unjudgemental people are, how many sacrifices others make for ME. anyhow i'll take the chance that the family is wrong, for the blessings that ill recieve if its right. ah ok so as long as we're doing what IS fun for me, thats fine no? and if theres something that were doing which i dont like to do, im not forced to do it, but i go ahead for the sake of unity and fellowship that it brings, and the lord blesses it and helps me enjoy it anyway. the reknewal taht is coming is going to be brilliant, because the lord is asking me to give up the one thing that is most important to me besides the family, which is football, with the euro2004 coming i wont be able to watch it, but if it wasnt a sacrifice how could there be a reward? oh btw to the person that made the comment that ima foreigner leeching offa the locals, that would be INcorrect because i am a local, and the people dont give us without getting in return, they get spiritually fed, do u think that everyone out there is a sucker? do u think they would be attracted to the word if it was BAD? no, they see truth in it, its what theyve always been looking for, and when i get someone saved, the feeling i get is worth more than any amount of money i could ever get. i know there are other ways i could serve the lord, but this is the way he called me to serve him in, do u think i dont pray and get prophecy's? did u know that most of the council that is given in the GN's is to stop and hear from the lord, so if the family was trying to control people, why would they give them the 'option' of getting their answers straight from the lord????? when i have problems i pray, and i DO get answers, and it ALWAYS helps me, its always what i needed, what did the family have to do with that?? nothing. and thats what they encourage the most. they dont say 'when u dont know what to do, write me or peter' they say pray. oh btw Cheeks, u say ' u didnt want your kids raised in 'that' enviroment, what would that enviroment be? an enviroment, or love? fellowship? unity? hmm, so instead ud like ur kids to grow up in a enviroment of drugs, violence, foul langauge and attitudes. not makin sense there dude. (oh dont tell me that i dont 'know' and that things arent like that out there, because i KNOW , ive experienced them for myself, ive been there, to the other side, and ive made an ENDUCATED decision, not a forced or brainwashed one.) ill be praying for ya, bye.
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| | From cheeks
Friday, May 21, 2004, 08:11
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Ok kid, I was a bit busy and didn't have time to come back to you till today. I like to think that I was respectful of your beliefs and did not jump down your throat or climb up on my soap box and try to feed you mine. However, when you talk about my kids you cross the line. My kids do not live in a drug environment and never have. You want to know what I took my kids out of I will tell you.
My kids will never develope a sleep disorder that lasts into their late teens because they are afraid to fall asleep at night for fear that some hairy man is going to come and abuse them. My kids will never be spanked with a paddle, my kids will never be on silence restriction. My kids will not be removed from my care when they stop breast-feeding and placed with some over worked and inexperienced childcare worker who thinks they are problem children. My kids will get an education.
You said " love, fellowship, and unity" you don't know what those words mean. I love my kids I will not sacrifice their innocence and their childhood on a group of power hungry, self-serving individuals whose only goal in life is to gain as much power as they can by opressing those in their care.
You said you are making sacrifices. David Livingstone, the greated missionary that ever lived said " I have never made a sacrafice." Are you better than David Livingston? You really think God will bless you sacrifices? You are like that self-rightous man in the Bible who thought he was too good for God. Whom did God prefer? The man who knew he was a sinner.
Your life and your future is on the line kid. And if I were you I would think very hard about the choices you are making. If the Family was all that and a bag of chips we would be there. We know the truth we have seen the horrors the Family has comitted in the name of God and we abhore it. You have your choice to make and God help you if you go down with the ship. (reply to this comment) |
| | From Haunted
Friday, May 21, 2004, 08:30
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You go girl!!
But seriously folks, there's really no use at this point. Those who are harsh are "attacking" and those who are kind are "sly". As we've all found out, the Family mindset is simply too difficult to erase in a matter of days or through a few chats, all we can hope for is that these doubts (and yes, I said 'doubts', it's not always a bad thing Amos) will remain in his mind to help him begin to question his environment.
When I think about "sacrifice", I most certainly DO NOT think what our parents did. They chose the easy way out, they chose to remain in an unhealthy environment for their children because it was easier to send out their children to raise money for the rent and the bills and easier to send the teen girls out singing at night to sleezy bars and nightclubs than to have to go out and get jobs and work for a living. It was far easier to use their own children as free nannies for the many children they had, because that was easier than getting birthcontrol or paying for daycare. It was easier to pour oil on our heads than to go out and get healthcare or see a doctor so that we could breathe freely and live healthy lives. It was also easier to denounce education as "Moloch" than get send us to school or try and hire certified teachers to properly prepare us for college, and it is definately easier to quote other authors and spout out repititious nonsense than to come up with original ideas and a way of life. It's easier to give in to preverted ideas and lust than to restrain yourself and seek professional help.
Cheeks, if only our parents had chosen the kind of sacrifice you and many others I know have made for their children: giving up what they may want to do, being wonderful parents, working all day, or at night, insuring that their children have regular health-care and proper education as well as extra-curricular activities and even going to college themselves etc....
Now THATS "sacrifice" for you!(reply to this comment) |
| | From cassy
Thursday, May 20, 2004, 03:13
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You know Amos, I used those exact same words "an educated decision" when I was your age. I implore you to realize how far off you are. Don't you see that we all have been through it, we are older than you and so if anything you should be wanting to know from us and hear from us. How many second generation young people do you see in the Family over 24??? Thousands of us were born into the group and the majority have left! Listen to our reasons and keep an open mind. My life has improved 100% since leaving. I live for others, that's my goal, and the Family is NOT the best place in a million years. I lived with Zerby and Peter and WS and I know the prophecies are not God given. Sorry. Also, they are quite happy to encourage you to pray and hear from God yourself because they know you won't ever get a prophecy contradicting them (your shepherds would immediately call it false). The fact is you have been wired and programmed since a child with what to think. Your internal voice is nothing but the thoughts inside of you. Did you know that if a child is abandoned and grows up for example in the forest with no one around, that child will not learn to speak, or even act human. Your brain has to have the right stimulation at a certain age (before the age of 5) to develop. There are documented cases of this. If you studied biology or psychology you would find this out. So therefore, if you never learned how to talk, you wouldn't think either. How would God speak to you then???? Every single thing you think and speak now has been programmed into you by your parents, friends and environment. Your mind has been manipulated and until you realize that, you'll never be truly free to make your own decisions. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From itsxena2u
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 19:34
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Well, in your case I think you'd better stay in TF. Being a native in a 3rd world country (most likely) is pretty tough. For some folks, life in TF is a lot better than the lives they lived before joining.
One more thing, just because Cheeks and the rest of us don't want our kids being raised in TF environment doesn't mean that we are surrounded by drugs, violence and foul language. Most of us live in pretty decent neighborhoods and have fairly good income. We have higher standards of living than in TF. Our kids receive a good education, new clothes, toys and yes, their own bedroom!!
A lot of people still in TF think that those who leave will end up in the ghetto, becoming prostitutes, will be exposed to drugs and violence. That was YOUR life in the "system" NOT OURS! If your life was that pathetic then maybe it was a good thing you joined. But don't assume that just because you were a loser in the real world that the rest of us are as well. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Haunted
Thursday, May 20, 2004, 05:19
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Xena, I have to agree with your assumption of the scare tactics used to intimidate us into remaining with the cult. I for one was deathly afriad of having to "flip burgers" (not that there's anything wrong with that....) or some other horrible job described to me by my "loving shepherds" where I would spend eternity slaving away for a boss who turned red in the face and spit while shouting at me and whipping me (wait a minute, now I realise that they were describing themselves!).
The family tried to make the rest of the world seems so unappealing so we would stay out of fear that we'd have this horrible, horrible existence (hence, "Traumatic Testimonies") - we never heard of those extreemly successful and happy individuals out here (like many of us are now) who had wonderful lives and friends and are truely satisfied with who they are and what they've become!(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From itsxena2u
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 19:47
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I need to make an important clarification here. My comment above was rather harsh because I'm assuming that you are an FGA, but if you are a teenager or young adult that was born in TF then I apologise. My intentions are not to atack anyone that was born in TF and have never known what its like to live outside TF. Kids in TF are brainwashed into thinking that they will live a horrible life in the "system" because they abandoned the will of God and will never receive his blessings. That couldn't be farther from the truth!(reply to this comment) |
| | From gragon
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 18:58
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You know, people don't give you enough credit awsomeA...or wait...that would be the lord...right? I am so......thankful......that you started this conversation. I had a great laugh last night watching South Park (the episode where Kenny put his clothes on upside down so that his butt checks were protruding from his hood instead of his face - all for the good cause of school photos...Cartman takes his "picture" and has it put on a milk carton....)You get the idea.
Anyways, work was rough today and I hadn't had a good laugh yet. But, you know what? The lord is really blessing me today!!!!!New episode of South Park airs tonight....that means I get to have two great laughs in one day. And to think I almost stopped believing in miracles!!! Oh yee of little faith...wait a minute, I forgot how to spell yea. Now that's when I start to believe in miracles - when I forget how to spell those stupid fuckers.
Apologies to Nazi for way over doing the...................! I'm in too good of a mood right now to give a fuck! (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From highonhigh
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 09:47
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Please excuseme all of you non christians in this site. But to be able to give amos an answer since he is such a christian I will have to bring a lot of christianity to this post. Amos can you answer me a few questions with all honesty?
Do you belive that the Bible is the word of God?
Do you belive that Maria & Peter word are as equal or on the same level as the Bible?
I would like to know that from you.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Baxter
Thursday, May 20, 2004, 02:45
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Oh, dear, dear! You arrogant little shit! Can you explain to me why out of all the volumes created by MEN that profess to divine authorisation, the Bible is the singular infallible volume? THINK ABOUT HOW IGNORANT THAT STATEMENT IS!!!
Consider the facts. Whatever Jesus meant to do when he set out on his mission, what the rest of the world got was not that mission; they got the mission of everyone else who marketed on it; the Bible was just part of that process. The Bible and the organisations built on it, be they Judaic or Christian, have been parley to more destruction, Genocide, and inhumanity than could ever be will of a merciful and just God!
Wake up you little dweeb! (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From JohnnieWalker
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 21:42
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You are absolutely correct, Amos. Maria and Peter do not claim to be equal to the Word of God. They claim to be above it. Don't believe me? The GNs and current mailings are proof of this.
How many times have they said, "We're doing things differently now than it says in the Bible because God has given us His Word for today through prophecy and that is what we follow"? I bet I can find you at least 5 statements similar to the above in the GNs they have published this year alone.
When you stop and think about it (which you may learn to do one day...after all, that's what God gave you a brain for) Maria and Peter are encouraging you to accept that what they receive is straight from the Lord. You have absolutley no way (except through circular logic) to prove that what they are telling you is indeed the pure and unadulterated Word of God.
What it comes down to is that you are a Family member because you believe that Maria and Peter have a divine link to God. (I should add that whether you claim to have your own divine link to God or not is entirely inconsequential, because I highly doubt you would ever receive a prophecy that would contradict what Maria and Peter have published.)
Regardless of if you kept every other rule in the Charter, if you did not believe that Maria and Peter are God's prophets, you could not be a Family member very long.
So, my questions are: Do you accept as fact Maria's claim that she is the prophetess of the Endtime? (I believe you already answered that question with an emphatic 'yes' in the chat room) What proof do you have (from outside sources) to back up your belief? What is your opinion of the 100+ other people in the World who claim to be God's sole Endtime prophet/ess?
Lastly, and probably most difficult for you, I would ask you to answer these questions using your own words. No cliches, no memorized lines, nothing that you've been taught all your life. Try being original and, above all, honest with yourself. Keeping Occam's Razor in mind is a good idea, too.
If you start looking for answers now, I would bet my bottom dollar that you won't remain in the Family another 5 years.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | From highonhigh
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 08:56
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I agree 100%. I hate provisioning I always thought it was such a bad sample. Here in latin america TF still goes to the local market to provision their food from the poor campesinos. Now days they try to send the nationals, to not look so bad. TF are trully parasites they live off the hard working people.They don't know what serving the Lord is. I was invite by the embassy of my countrie here, to see a project run by some brazilian missionaries. This people are living for others they live without any wordly comfort. they wake up 5 in the morning they are helping the hatians that fled the war. It's amazing how organized & dedicated they are, how unselfish & loving they are. How can this stuck up,arrogant family people called themselves missionary it's beyond my understanding. There is a word in spanish here "Me quilla" it means I cannot do the subejct justice. Tha's how I get, when I hear TF people bragging about their so called life for the Lord & others. I am a christian I respect all the people in this site that are non christian & even admire some of them for the kind of people they are. But TF calling themselves a christian group is a disgrace. They know nothing about the Christian faith they are a bunch of arrogant, selfish, dishonest, liars, cheater, abusers, & the best fakers this world will ever have.
sorry for the grammar mistakes the spell check is not working.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Joe H
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 10:41
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AwsomeA, your name was aptly chosen, for you are truly awesome! How can we thank you enough for simultaneously steering the debate away from the war in Iraq, and reminding us how happy we are to have left provisioning, postering, and road trips behind! Sure, you've gone a little overboard with the poor spelling in your effort to convince us that you really are a current member, but you're still absolutely hilarious, nonetheless. Many heartfelt thanks!(reply to this comment) |
| | From JohnnieWalker
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 10:37
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I think I'm beginning to understand a bit where you are coming from (and please correct me if I am wrong).
You believe that handing out 20,000 pieces of colored paper--98% of which will most likely end up in the garbage can within 24 hours of leaving your hands--is sucessful.
You believe that doing this things is pleasing to God and he will bless you for it.
You believe that having 200 people repeat a few phrases after you that you believe will irreversibly change their life is sucessful.
You believe that anyone who refuses to repeat those phrases after you may not go to Heaven after they die.
You believe that you have the one and only answer to all of mankinds problems.
You believe that you cannot possibly be wrong in what you are doing.
You believe that you are fulfilling God's highest calling by living your life the way you do.
You believe that anyone who is not living like you is missing out on God's highest blessing.
You believe that anyone who brings up a side contrary to what you have believed your whole life is lying and trying to tear down yor faith.
And now for the irony in all of this:
You sincerely believe that you are open minded.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | from ex-cultie
Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 12:17
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Ahh, but did they cut out the sharing as well? who cares about not having movies and computer games when you can shag all day?
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| | | | From highonhigh
Saturday, May 01, 2004, 18:53
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yes but is not all that fun when you have to add countless hours of indoctrination through the reading of GNs, prayers, lots of meetings to get ¨back to the basics¨ None of the efforts of this so called revolutions to get back on track works. In a couple of years they will be in the same place, doing the same thing, praying to be deliver of the same problems, just like the chain eagle. (reply to this comment) |
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Sunday, May 02, 2004, 07:36
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Yes, not to mention that whenever they do have sex, even with someone else, they are supposed to include Jesus too. At one point when I was going through a "try-to-be-the-best-disciple-I-can" phase, I was asked to have a date with this person, and the whole time they were just saying s**t like, "I love you, Jesus...make love to me, Jesus," and so on. Finally I just looked at them and said, "Hey, I thought I was the one here," and I got up and left. Damn, I think I'm going to lose my breakfast now. Anyway...I brought up this extremely nauseous memory just to say that with the kind of sex they are having, I would rather live my life in celibicy. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | from Mir
Friday, April 30, 2004 - 04:20
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Sounds like the CoG when I was there 13 years ago (gosh, is it that long now??!) When I was growing up, ALL of these things were an absolute NO-NO for which we could get beaten, put on silence restriction, made to fast, have demons cast out of us etc, etc, etc...
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| From awsomeA
Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 10:17
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ah just a sec, uve been outta the fam for 13 yrs, and this site is called moving on? more like hanging on. move on ,whats with u guys, u sit hear, read and comment on the latest family gossip and news, shesshlak, get over it already , bunch of babies.
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| | From Kelly
Sunday, April 03, 2005, 19:44
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duh, what family kid goes online this much? And why are others here "babies" when clearly, you frequent this site and oviously enjoy it now that someone will listen and respond? Don't lie to yourself, you love it--if not why would you be here? You of all people accusing others of "hanging on"-- who is the one pretending to still be in the cult????
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Vicky
Friday, April 30, 2004, 11:14
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Since the charter came out there has been some leeway on what sort of 'wordly influences' were allowed, although they are still officially frowned upon in most cases.
Because many homes have been single-family homes there has also been more opportunity for 'time-wasting' which has resulted in many problems for Fam. Leadership who have been watching a majority of their young people drifting away from the straight and narrow.
Why else do you think they are now going back to the combo homes and all that - It's because the independence offered by the Charter backfired and they are now desperate to regain control of the masses. (reply to this comment) |
| | from thepersoniamnow
Friday, April 30, 2004 - 04:00
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This isn't surprising at all. TF are simply implementing by rule what they've been promoting in their GNs and doctrines for years. Anyone in TF who hasn't woken up to their demented state by now should just stay in and spare the world of their ignorance. We're better off with them holed up in their communes.
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