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Getting Real : Faith No More
So Blind | from Otter - Monday, August 21, 2006
accessed 1375 times The funny thing about christians is that they don't see that the cross that they wear & display everywhere is really working against them. If you get hurt by something or if you hit an animal with something, you or they will avoid it at all costs lest you or they get hurt again. They cross as a religious symbol was introduced after the Romans had made christianity a state religion & integrated different aspects of other religions. If you wear a cross you are in fact saying don't come near me or else I will do to you what happened to jesus. Christians are scaring off whatever they worship by threatening to do the same again. I guess it might work for other "spirits" good or bad as I don't think that they want it to happen to them either.
In today's society we use the same thing for criminals & the population at large. Don't kill or you will be killed. Every christian who wears a cross & every church that displays one is in fact scaring away the very one they worship. They are so dumb. Dumb sheep being lead around & scaring off the one that they are trying to get help from. Maybe they should take off the cross & promise not to threaten their lord with it & maybe he will listen to them. |
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from loch
Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 15:23
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Wow this site is getting boring huh?
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| from Otter
Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 11:04
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Sorry if you feel like I'm an idiot for posting such an article.
Most people when they feel superior or that they can show that they are better or more intelligent tend to express their true feelings on a subject. So what if I play the fool in order to see the emotions that are out there amongst those that went through what I did. I have no problem with you feeling better than me if in so doing I can see where you are in the spectrum of freeing yourself from the slavery of mind that was forced on us.
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| | | | | | |  From Dissonant
Thursday, August 24, 2006, 12:00
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It was not me, but did you know that the average length of the human intestine (small and large combined) can be anywhere from 6 to 8.5 meters in length. That doesn't include the vital organs; heart, liver, kidneys, lungs. So I would say whoever it was has plenty of guts, or at least as much guts as you. (Provided they have not had an appendectomy or spleenectomy. If so, deduct a few centimeters)(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | from Otter
Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 13:28
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Thanks for all your comments. I love your reactions to what is of no importance to this world. Take care & enjoy what is left of the summer.
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Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 11:52
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I would compare arguing about religion to running in the Special Olympics - except that it would be an unfair comparison for the runners.
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| | | | from Mr.T
Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 11:50
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SO THE MUSTELIDAE CAN TYPE?? BUT CAN THEY MAKE SENSE?? I PITY THE FOOL WHO WRITE CRAZY SOUNDIN SCATTAHBRAINED ARTICLES!!!
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| from Fish
Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 05:05
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I smell a Jehovah’s witness. What’s this, you got all fired up after reading "Watchtower" magazine?
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| | | | from Rain Child
Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 02:47
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I am no longer a Christian, but when I was I would have told you that nothing could 'scare' away Jesus, and that the symbol of his suffering and sacrifice was a reminder of the essence of Christianity. I don't see anything ironic about carrying a reminder of Christ's death since the whole religion is based on that death.
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| | | | From vix
Wednesday, August 23, 2006, 03:42
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Rain, I'm assuming you're referring to the comment headed 'I agree....', and I just thought I should clarify that I didn't write that. One clue is the fact that there is an extra period in the ellipsis (tut tut!), but that is rather an obscure clue so I don't blame you for not noticing. Okay, okay I am not actually *quite* that pernickety about punctuation, but you know, anything to feel superior ;-)
Truth be told I didn't think the logical fallacies outlined in otter's article worthy of a serious reply. Also, I would not have 'assumed sarcasm' because, well, I just don't think otter is quite sharp enough for such humour...
http://www.movingon.org/article.asp?sID=8&Cat=19&ID=3539
Come on then, otter, prove me wrong sometime, eh?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | from cheeks
Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 18:39
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I am a christian,and I am so damn tired of you non-christian, non believers, trying to come up with new ways, pathetic as this was, to mock our faith. What is it to you what the hell I believe or don't believe? I don't give a fig to what you don't believe. In the end we will all die and then we'll find out who was wrong and who was right. In the mean time try to figgure out what the heck you are trying to say before you go and say it. Selah. La
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Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 15:14
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Though not as dumb as whoever came up with this
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| from Dissonant
Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 13:10
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You otter think about revising that a bit. I think I get what you are trying to say but it's hard to tell, your thoughts are a bit scattered.
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| From I agree....
Tuesday, August 22, 2006, 13:23
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I do believe he is trying to point out the irony of their symbol being the weapon that killed their Lord. Which makes sense, in a very simplistic way, but taking into consideration that Christ's Martyrdom, and the importance placed on this as an atonement for the sins of mankind, it's hardly surprising that they would bear this symbol. As for "scaring Jesus away", since the author of the article is apparently not a believer, I'd have to assume this is sarcasm.
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| | | | | | | | From Dissonant
Wednesday, August 23, 2006, 09:30
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The cross with extended arms was invented by the Catholics, and was an adaptation of pagan symbols. The Romans crucified by nailing the hands together above the head and the feet, of course, below the body. The well-crafted crosses we think of now were not at all the reality. In fact the original Greek word for what we now call "Cross" in the bible, was "pole".
Oh, and Jesus had an afro with a pick in it. Duh!
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| | From Your dutiful apprentice
Wednesday, August 23, 2006, 10:59
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Have you got a link or something? As for as I have found there were many different methods used, and no hard evidence as to what was preferred. One one discoverred crucifixion, and it doesn't clarify the position of his arms.
I agree with you, I just want to back it up. It seems the most efficient method, since outstretched arms doesn't suffocate the victim, and the overhead arms does, but only if the feet are secured, which explains the nailing of the feet, which would otherwise be unneccesary, unless the Romans were crucifying a bunch of escape artists.
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| | From Dissonant
Wednesday, August 23, 2006, 11:09
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The Greek word rendered "cross" in many modern Bible versions is stau*ros' . In classical Greek, this word meant merely an upright stake , or pale. The Imperial Bible-Dictionary acknowledges this, saying: "The Greek word for cross [stau*ros'] properly signified a stake , an upright pole, or piece of paling, on which anything might be hung, or which might be used in impaling [fencing in] a piece of ground...Even amongst the Romans the crux (from which our cross is derived) appears to have been originally an upright pole ."
It is significant that the Bible also uses the word xy'lon to identify the device used. A Greek-English Lexicon, by Liddell and Scott, defines this as meaning: " Wood cut and ready for use, firewood, timber , etc... piece of wood, log, bean, post...cudgel, club...stake on which criminals were impaled...of live wood, tree ."
The book The Non-Christian Cross , by J.D. Parsons says: " There is not a single sentence in any of the numerous writings forming the New Testament, which, in the original Greek, bears even indirect evidence to the effect that the stauros used in the case of Jesus was other than an ordinary stauros ; much less to the effect that it consisted, not of one piece of timber, but of two pieces nailed together in the form of a cross... It is not a little misleading upon the part of our teachers to translate the word stauros as 'cross' when rendering the Greek documents of the Church into our native tongue, and to support that action by putting 'cross' in our lexicons as the meaning of stauros with carefully explaining that that was at any rate not the primary meaning of the word in the days of the Apostles, did not become its primary signification till long afterwards, and became so then, if at all, only because, despite the absence of corroborative evidence, it was for some reason or ther assumed that the particular stauros upon which Jesus was executed had that particular shape. "
So, the weight of the evidence indicates that Jesus died on an upright stake and not on the traditional cross.
But what were the origins of Christendom's cross? Again, let's look at evidence and documentation.
An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words , by W.E. Vine (p.256) says this: "The shape of the [two-beamed cross] had its origin in ancient Chaldea, and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz (being in the shape of the mystic Tau, the initial of his name) in that country and in adjacent lands, including Egypt. By the middle of the 3rd cent. A.D. the churches had either departed from, or had travestied, certain doctrines of the Christian faith. In order to increase the prestige of the apostate ecclesiastical system pagans were received into the churches apart from regeneration by faith, and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, in its most frequent form, with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted to stand for the cross of Christ."
"It is strange, yet unquestionably a fact, that in ages long before the birth of Christ , ...the Cross has been used as a sacred symbol...The Greek Bacchus, the Tyrian Tammuz, the Chaldean Bel, and the NOrse Odin, were all symbolised to their votaries by a cruciform device."--The Cross in Ritual, Architecture and Art, G.S. Tyack,p.1
If you do further research you can find that various figures of crosses are found everywhere on Egyptian monuments and tombs, and often found side by side with the phallus! They were also used as symbols of the Babylonian sun-god, and are seen on a coin of Julius Caesar, 100-44 BC, and then on a coin by Augustus , 20 BC.
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Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 12:55
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Ridiculous - please, think a little before you post such articles!
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