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from Oddman - Saturday, March 05, 2005
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In TF, we were not allowed to read Nietzsche. He was "Evil".

Now, the true reasons have been revealed.

Disclaimer: Sorry if any misquotes. :)

Frederich Nietzsche

1. A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

2. After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash my hands.

3. All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses.

4. Faith: not wanting to know what is true.

5. I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time.

6. In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point.

7. In heaven, all the interesting people are missing.

8. Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders?

9. The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad.

10. The word "Christianity" is already a misunderstanding - in reality there has been only one Christian, and he died on the Cross.

11. There cannot be a God because if there were one, I could not believe that I was not He.

12. Two great European narcotics, alcohol and Christianity.

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from Oddman
Monday, March 28, 2005 - 04:18

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http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=agnostic

ag∑nos∑tic (g-nstk)
n.




  1. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
    One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.

  • One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

  • Prove to me that there is a God, and I will believe with all my heart. But don't tell me,

    A) Because the Bible says so

    B) Look at the earth and nature. It can't be an accident!

    C) Do you believe in love?

    please give me proof. Solid, substantial proof. Thank you.


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    From Sonderval
    Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 05:43

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    heheheh, everyone seems to have mistaken your post and thinks A B & C are your arguments rather than what you're refuting. It's kinda funny, you fundamentalist Christian loony you. :D(reply to this comment
    From Oddman
    Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 11:30

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    I think some of us have a new strain of allergy. A couple keywords like "believe" and "God" in the same sentence cause a chemical reaction in our brain, immediately releasing all pent up testosterone, making us feel the urge to correct everything, and causing us to lose attention to detail... :P(reply to this comment

    From frmrjoyish
    Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 15:15

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    Nope, I knew what you meant. Just commenting on the whether or not the earth is a big accident. And by the way, I release estrogen not testosterone! My testosterone is in short supply due my gender so I wouldn't waste it on this! : )(reply to this comment
    From frmrjoyish
    Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 05:24

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    I don't know if I'd call the universe an accident, but if you study nature, it's chemistry, and it's physics, you'll see how it could have happened all by itself. Everything basically sums up to one big chain of energy transfers which follow certain predictable phenomena we humans call "laws". Luckily we can by-pass the second law of thermodynamics for now since we have energy input from the sun and energy release back into space. Being the egocentric creatures we are, we anthropomorphically attribute anything we can't understand to being directed by some humanoid figment of our imagination. Just appreciate it and try to understand as much as you can. We'll never understand every mystery and complexity of the universe we are part of because it will always be greater than us. (reply to this comment
    From exister
    Monday, March 28, 2005, 08:29

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    The poorly formed sentences you inlelegantly labeled "B" clearly reveal your insufferable arrogance. What they really say is, "Look at the Universe. It is complex. I don't understand it. Since I am the most brilliant person who will ever live I can conclude that no human being will ever understand it. Therefore there must be a God who must have designed it." So basically the entire concept of "Intelligent Design" or whatever the hell you pseudointellectuals are calling it these days is predicated on your ridiculously arrogant assumption that you are the absolute pinnacle of human intelligence, and we all know what happens when you come to conclusions based on assumptions. Or wait, I should rephrase that. Those of us whose intellect is at least equal to or greater than our arrogance know what happens when we come to conclusions based on assumptions. (reply to this comment

    From Oddman
    Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 00:39

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    Uh yeah Exister, just the "family" and ex-fam fam-huggers don't come up with the kind of spiel you suggested. They get up and quote Berg, who was also not very "inlelegant". I originally posted this in "lighten up". I dunno who chose to move it to faith no more. Maybe my error. I see people don't really get the humour. I mean, somebody has got to share my perhaps twisted mindframe.... Joe H?(reply to this comment
    From Fish
    Monday, March 28, 2005, 08:51

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    “Inlelegantly” right….(reply to this comment
    From Sonderval
    Monday, March 28, 2005, 05:43

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    I also am an agnostic and I agree, the concept of the Christian god seems much more unlikely than many of the other possibilities. But be careful that you don't dismiss that possibility out of hand or you are not in fact agnostic, you would then be an athiest (or one step closer to one anyway). Athiesm is just another religion, it requires belief in it's tenets as proof is not possible, agnosticism requires you to keep an open mind, just as they cannot prove there is a God we can't prove there isn't. Agnosticism is a wait and see attitude, there's no point baiting Christians about proof, the fact is that objective proof is not possible so teasing them is just mean (although I agree it can be fun if you're in a bad mood, I occasionally enjoy talking to those bloody annoying street evangelist types).

    I enjoyed reading Nietschze immensely, he had an ego the size of Europe and there's no doubt he was a great thinker, he was also a rationalist which is what I consider myself. The one problem with Nietschze is that he draws many conclusions and offers many answers which when you get right down to it are just his own opinions, which makes him just another prophet looking for followers. I'd always advise avoiding people who are selling a belief system.(reply to this comment

    From Oddman
    Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 00:37

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    Sonderval, I absolutely agree, regarding your definitions of athiesm and agnosticism. But I also think all conclusions are based on assumptions. What we understand to be fact could very well not be fact. In order to move on, one must make conclusions. Having an open mind is not about not making conclusions, but being open to change them as new evidence is found.

    As I said, I'm agnostic. I'm not an athiest. I believe that there may be a God, but as of now, his existence has yet to be proven. But, I don't have the time to try to discover whether there is a God or no, and from where I stand now, I'm inclined to think chances are slim. At least a Christian style God.

    When it comes to Jesus as the son of God, and a pregnant virgin Mary and what not, sorry, I don't believe it.

    Btw, I'm not a avid believer in Nietschze, but I was always interested in reading the "evil" stuff. Since the article was originally intended for humour, I put in the quotes that would most irritate an avid cultie. :P(reply to this comment

    From Sonderval
    Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 00:49

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    heh, not a single thing there I'd argue with mate, was just doing the counterpoint thing as much as anything else ;)(reply to this comment
    from clvrs3
    Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 19:53

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    I do not wish to attempt to answer lifeís mysteries, only to add my own perspective to these lines of lost faith. I like to look at the idea of God as the ultimate mystery, in my mind and in our little world. I believe because, I know enough to know that I donít know everything; therefore leaving room for the possibility of God.

    I do agree, generally, that most "Christian morality [and] religion [do not] come into contact with reality at any point"; it does seem that many have lost the initial idea that God became a man (to meet us at our level, at our humanity; to be real to us). Christians are to imitate Christ, right? being "salt and light" helping people both taste and see the truth of God (in practical, real life ways). Many Christians have failed, but so did the Jews, "Godís chosen people" over and over again.

    Life to me seems so fragile; one man lives after falling 20,000 feet when his parachute doesnít open, and another dies from tripping on a random shoe, hitting her head on the coffee table. Who knows when they will be stricken with cancer in some obscure corner of the body, or when a giant tree limb will fall from a tree as they hike through the forest? Being able to believe in something more; hope that some greater force is at work, faith that it/he/she is on my side. The Bible in all of itís hard sayings and seeming contradictions still points to a loving God wanting to help his people through life in a world that has been changed by corruption and disbelief, and give them hope of a greater purpose for it all.


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    From Harikari Voodoo Vandari
    Monday, March 28, 2005, 04:08

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    So to paraphrase...

    God exists and wants to help, but He is powerless and can't really help anyone. He can't open parachutes, stop people from tripping, prevent cancer, or stop a limb from falling on your head. BUT HE CAN GIVE YOU HOPE FOR A GREATER PURPOSE FOR IT ALL, INCLUDING HOPE FOR A GREATER PURPOSE TO DIE UNDER A GIANT TREE LIMB WHILE HIKING THROUGH THE FOREST.

    Oh, PUUUUHHHHLLLEEEEEEZZZZ!!!!

    Hey, the fucking COG could offer you false hope too. They'll give a "greater purpose" to abuse defensless children too.

    And I don't see the f*ck*n relation between your second paragraph and the first. (reply to this comment

    From Harikari Voodoo Vandari
    Monday, March 28, 2005, 04:08

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    2nd and 3rd that is.(reply to this comment
    From geo
    Sunday, March 27, 2005, 08:41

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    Good point, thats why I still believe in santa.(reply to this comment
    from Joe H
    Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 09:57

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    Can you please not spell "thought" in a style reminiscient of those hideous, misshapen, green and blue books we were forced to read as children?
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    From Jerseygirl
    Saturday, March 05, 2005, 15:03

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    I would like to say right here and now that both books in question were blue (light,dark). OK, Joe? Can you please get the colors of the hideous books right if you are going to remind us all of them? (reply to this comment
    From Joe H
    Saturday, March 05, 2005, 15:47

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    In my mind, all the books are shades of the same color -- DB.(reply to this comment
    From Oddman
    Saturday, March 05, 2005, 12:13

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    Good day Joe,

    The title was intentionally misspelled. TF liked to use old quotes in their "pubs". Since the ones above didn't seem to make it through to the final editions, I "thot" I'd post them here.

    I understand that you may have been subject to all forms of abuse at the hands of people whose minds were twisted through years of reading hideous misshapen green and blue books.

    Perhaps a good sense of humor may give you the "daily might" to fight the PTSD. :D

    Cheers,(reply to this comment

    From vixen
    Saturday, March 05, 2005, 10:03

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    I hate the way that chatrooms have made me lazy! I use 'thot', 'cuz' and 'convo' on a regular basis, all of which drive me up the wall! (reply to this comment
    From Joe H
    Saturday, March 05, 2005, 10:29

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    Then find a stick and give yourself a thorough beating! (reply to this comment
    From roughneck
    Monday, March 28, 2005, 11:34

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    Beating your stick seems to have helped you plenty, eh?(reply to this comment
    from Lance
    Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 04:55

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