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KABBALAH - From Berg to Berg

from Cultinvator - Tuesday, November 16, 2004
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From a forced Talmud religion to a curiosity in Aramaic mysticism.

From David Berg to perhaps Michael Berg

Honestly I know very little about this book, the Kabbalah, but after Madonna's statement and feeling an undercurrent of charming personalities holding this book in high esteem I wonder if there is something interesting I might be missing. Unlike traditional Judeo-Christian traditions that hold a carrot in front of the donkey and tell them that they should strive to be like Christ, God, or Mickey Mouse, it appears that these occult mystics seem to feel like we can be gods ourselves as autonomous enlightened sources of energy and light instead of projecting our ancestors interpretation of what is right and wrong.

Any comments?

I particularly find the story of Lilith, the predecessor to Eve, an interesting mythos.

Other topics that I've heard about related to the Kabbalah, but haven't really gotten an explanation about are Zoroastrians

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from Vicky
Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 10:20

Useless piece of information: Michael Berg's wife is also called Karen.
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Wednesday, November 17, 2004, 10:21

Fookin el ;) (reply to this comment
from The Pedantic Prick
Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 10:13


Madonna believes in the Kabbalah.

Madonna pumps gas naked.


The Kabbalah is stupid

Aren't logical fallacies fun?
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From whatever1037
Sunday, November 21, 2004, 06:31

logical fallacies are fun . I am gonna write one on maria or zedra or whatever it is that you guys call her. you'll probably like it. this one is shorter than my first one(reply to this comment
From PopNFresh
Wednesday, November 17, 2004, 18:23


Agreed!(reply to this comment

Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 08:38

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Wednesday, November 17, 2004, 08:52

I wonder where they stand politicaly?(reply to this comment
from Haunted
Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 08:25


Zoroastrianism was a popular religion of the Iranians (Persians) in the sixth century. It was focused on the worship of a diety rather than the previous belief in the powers of nature, such as the wind, sun, moon and fire. Like most religions, Zoroastrians revered a prophet, Zoroaster. Zoroaster did not teach a new god but rathertaught that the existing god, Ahuramazda was the only god and thast his religion was the only perfect one. The oppositon to this deity was an evil spirit. Zoroastrians believed in free will, good vs. evil, and the eventual triumph of good. Paradise was an active belief, thus incorporating and after-life concept into the religion.

For obvious reasons, many historians believe that Zoroastrianism, with its emphasis on good and evil, a final judgement and individual judgement of souls, had an impact on Christianity.

Although the religion was marked by mono-theistic emphasis, in later years it returned to polytheism with Ahuramazda becoming only cheif of a number of gods of light.

---Hope this helps you understand the basic concepts of Zoroastrianism.
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Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 06:48

Funny, that was on my mind recently too, maybe not for the same reasons though.
Begin tiny rant; I thought it was stupid of Mad dona (she's given them a lot of money) and Britney to wear T-shirts with "I'm a cult member" on it.
Just goes to show that money can't buy you happiness. Tom cruise et al are making cults look more mainstream and acceptable. (We need high profile ex-culties) Not that Kabbalah has gone or has been found out to have gone done that route-yet! And whats with the stupid red strings? AAAARRRRHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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From Cultinvator
Monday, November 22, 2004, 16:53


Cults, weather relitions, of films, or characters and personalities, are probably simply the alternative to perceiving that one has to invent everything about one's destiny or view of the world. Excluding dangerous, life threatening, or cohersive cults, a lot of people enjoy following a philosophy, a way of life, like one would take the train on a journey sometimes as opposed to driving one's own vehicle with full responsibility of every turn and move.

I didn't like the restrictive aspects and in my opinion, philosophically inbred nature of our previous group, but I can see how I might be attracted to following a way of thinking or a ritual order as an alternative to not following anything at all all the time. I consider myself very indpendant, and like to think that my options are usually open, sometimes to the point of indecisiveness, but I like taking a trip from time to time when a way of doing things is something I feel I get something I like out of it, without having to put every option on the line in return. The opt in opt out philosophy, try us out and if you don't like it we'll give you a refund approach can sell itself without having to ask someone to forsake his family and everything one has to be able to feel sincere in a way of thinking.

Often usually there are prices to be paid for decisions. And as long as someone knows what they're getting into, I don't see that cults should be banned altogether, just information made available about criticisms and a transparency of motives and actions allowed, with that turn off the lights and enjoy the show is a way to go.

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From Cultinvator
Monday, November 22, 2004, 16:54


I typed relitions, I meant religions. you get the point.... boing boing boing. Who cares, never mind.

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from Lance
Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 02:25

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It all sounds like the same bullshit to me.
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From Cultinvator
Monday, November 22, 2004, 16:59


Religion, or reconecting is bullshit if it doesn't identify with anything you identify with, sure. To think that the idea of control as the main focus of religion or non-scientific thought, I can't agree that thats really true in all cases. Science is also a baby in comparison with codified responses reflected in traditions and myths that often are not what they appear to be at all, like a Johanness Eyck painting, dig a bit deeper it's not all that simplistic.

But bullshit exists, and it's up to you to find out if you're part of it.

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