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Getting On : Lovers
Need a little help... | from Moonsetter - Tuesday, May 29, 2007
accessed 1075 times My girlfriend is pregnant, and is insisting on remaining in the Family. I'm not in the Family, but her parents won't let me go see her at their little "Sanctuary of Righteousness" unless I rejoin the Family MM.
The Family is pathetic to me, but I care about my girlfriend enough to rejoin a while at least for her pregnancy...so that she doesn't have to be alone.
My problem is, I really have no idea how to lie professionally in a letter, so if any of you could give me tips on the kind of things I need to say to the Family authorities in order to receive permission to rejoin.
I know it basically has something to do with repentance (I tried life in the system but it wasn't working for me...I felt empty inside and all that shit) |
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from Phoenixkidd
Friday, June 08, 2007 - 13:21
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Well Moonsetter you've just about ruined your chances of getting into the Family anyway because family members check this site all the time and membership to the cult is so few and far between they would easily match you up.
My best advice is to go to the courts and have them hack it out...
Or just wait a few years untill that gal leaves, I am sure she will, You can still try to write and see eachother while the baby is growing up and then by age 4 hopefully you will have a better living situation to house your new family and you both will appreciate eachother even more.
Just give it time.
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| from scorpion
Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 12:52
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you should take this to the courts! thats bs what they are saying you have to rejoin to be able to see the person you love!! thats between you two. not for some fukin geek that thinks he a fukin leader to decide!! i personally went through not having both parents when i was a kid cause they were in the "Field" and it fuks u up for life! both my parents are out of that shit now but they still regret what they did, ask ur self this what about when ur kids 15 and starts asking questions?? what can you say to ur kid that can possibly make perfect sence to him? in a way that he wont feel betrayed by eather parent?? bringing a kid into this world means ur taking charge of a life and that kids future. if u think you can give him of her a better future then what the family has to offer ( which i think is not hard ) then fight for ur fukin right bro
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|  From EC
Friday, June 08, 2007, 13:51
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I haven't really read this article, but is she leaving before or after having the baby? When she's pregnant, I don't think this moon dude has any right to see her, and the culties have every right to refuse him meeting her. TF is a religious organization. As long as people are joining and staying of their own free will, they are choosing to follow certain rules, believe certain doctrines, and forfeit certain freedoms. If a religious organization chooses to limit member interaction with non-members, a member must follow that rule. However, if she has the baby before leaving the country, the father should be able to take legal action to ensure he can meet the child. Not the mother, but the child. He might also be able to prevent the mother from taking the child overseas. I don't think there is much he can do so far as rights to meet the mother goes.(reply to this comment) |
| | from mugthebug
Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 20:56
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here's a question has the family changed it rules on sex with non members? if so use that to your advantage unless of course you were a member when she got pregnant
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| from Fish
Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 04:31
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Just a thought, but if you truly intend to rejoin, perhaps posting this article on a site routinely patrolled by Family leaders is not the brightest thing to do. Particularly as your picture is in your profile. There arent that many people left in the Family, and there is a chance you "parents in the lord" may put two and two together.
(Sings:) "I think I'm paranoid, and constipated..."
PTL? Are you ready for the "Knock at the Door"?
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| From Samuel
Tuesday, June 05, 2007, 06:16
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Right. I know there is a way for him to erase the etxt of his article (log in, go to "my article and links", clikc on tihs article, cut everything out, and click on "update".) But does anyone know how to completely remove everything on this article, including our comments?
While I'm here- Happy Birthday, Jerseygirl! I Hope you have a rocking day.(reply to this comment) |
| | from cheeks
Monday, June 04, 2007 - 15:04
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Well you asked for opinions and here is mine. Whatever you do, do not let her and the child go to India you will never see them again. I think re-joining is not a bad idea, esp after your six months are up, gag, and you could in family speak be her mate. I think you have every right to be a part of this childs life if that is your intention. I think once you are in it will be easier to get her out. Of course now the Family will know what you are doing, how many pregnant girls are in Spain anyway. But it is worth the try. As far as her faith goes, being a Christian myself, her God in no less of a God outside the Family than in.
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| from murasaki
Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 21:37
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Dear grandparents of my future child,
I don't really know how to start this so I suppose I'll just get right into it. You know that for a while now I've been having trouble with having faith and believing some of the newer things that have been happening in the Family, but my faith in the basics has always been there and I'm at the point now where I want to give it one more try.
You're probably thinking that this has more to do with your daughter, and I suppose you're right, I wouldn't be doing this without her, but is that such as bad thing? I admire her faith, I admire her conviction, I wish I had the same. Who knows, maybe some of it will rub off on me eventually, it's something part of me sincerely hopes will happen. I know what it's like to be without a direction and anchor, it's something I always took for granted during my time in the Family and I realize now that it was something that I want again.
I acknowledge that most of my decisions these past few years have been selfish ones. I suppose it's the thought of my part in bringing a new life into the world that has started me thinking about everything and wanting to make the right decisions for the future. I want to take responsibility for my actions and stop denying what I have been running away from for so long. I'm willing to do whatever it takes, I just ask for you to please give me the chance to try again.
I remember hearing so much about it never being too late, I hope it's not too late for me.
Sincerely,
XXXXX
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| | | | | | | | | | From vix
Monday, June 04, 2007, 12:46
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But having said that, I agree with everything you said in your earlier comment to the OP, and I also think it would be damaging to his mental health to try to spend any extended period in the cult environment. I visited my parents for a little over a month some years ago and I'm telling you, towards the end I really did start to feel that it was driving me mad.
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| | | | | from conan
Friday, June 01, 2007 - 11:49
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That sucks man! It's a no-win situation for you it looks like. Why won't your girlfriend leave? And are you capable of providing for the both of you outside TF? If you can, then you should you use all your persuasive tactics and 'lying' to get your girl to join you as opposed to you living a lie for the peace of mind of a group of mental sycophants who don't have your girlfriend's or child's interests as their primary goal.
Good Luck!
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| From Moonsetter
Friday, June 01, 2007, 12:57
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She won't leave for a number of reasons, one being that she seems to feel secure in the Family as opposed to life in the "dangerous system", and another being that she still holds onto her "faith" in the Family. I have tried countless times to inspire her with logical doubt and convince her otherwise, but it seems that her parents and friends who are all in the Family have more power over her mind. Whenever I talk to her in a not-so-positive light about the Family she will either reluctantly listen or accuse me of "bitterness", "doubts", and "negativity".
It pisses the fuck out of me.
After the child is born, she wants to go directly to India...undoubtedly an attempt to revive the nostalgia of her past. I don't want my child to live in a tropical country full of diseases and flaming cult members, and I don't want my child to be taught "Family morals". In other words, I don't want my kid watching Kiddie Viddies and being forced to say the "salvation" prayer and ask an imaginary God to forgive him for being born, but it seems that there's nothing I'll be able to do about it for the moment.
I can provide for my girlfriend, but I would have to return to Canada, something which seems to be out of the question. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Moonsetter
Monday, June 04, 2007, 09:52
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We took a few risks, although not before having discussed the issue of pregnancy a good 6 or 7 months before it actually happened. If it were not for her fundamentalist family, things would be going as planned. Now, it would be cool if you eased up on trying to prove that the two of us did not have sex education (over the Internet, of all places). Don't worry, I know the TF is completely fucked up, and this is something that happens when thousands of people start to take Berg's words as absolute undeniable truth, without ever being skeptic about it all as of course to do so would mean they are under the influence of Pan and a cocktail of other supernatural entities of the dark world who encourage people to commit the sin of actually using their minds.
That many young people did not receive a proper sex education is definitely a case, but not in this case.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From rainy
Friday, June 01, 2007, 16:49
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Moonsetter,I admire your pure and simple goodness. Please listen to me, I've done things like what you're contemplating because I thought it was the right thing to do for the sake of my baby. Trust me, BAD IDEA. You cannot sacrifice your entire life for your baby because then you will have nothing to offer your child.
You have a head on your shoulders and a sense of responsiblity. This is something wonderful you have that you can give the baby. The best thing you can possibly do is amke as good a life in Canada as you are able. Never lose touch with your child, and when the time comes that your child can come to you, you will have so much to offer. You will have a home for your child.
If your girlfriend goes to India, her cult days are numbered. (That is, if she has even a molecule of sense.) I was a devoted cult member and went to India to serve god and humanity. But the extreme cultiness of the Family in India woke me up to what I was actually permitting to be my life.
Just wait, build up your own life, keep in touch with her. She can't stay in India forever if she's Canadian. And when she comes back, exercise your legal parental rights.
That's what I think anyway. Your child will be so much better off eventually if he/she has a father with a house to go to, who can support and send him/her to school.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Moonsetter
Friday, June 01, 2007, 17:38
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Thanks for this piece of advice, as it basically confirms what I was planning on doing anyways, which is parting ways with my girlfriend shortly before she leaves for India, and returning to Canada.
But in order to be with her during her pregnancy and for sometime afterwards, I have to rejoin the Family. My only other option would be to share a student apartment and get a job there in Spain.
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| | From vix
Monday, June 04, 2007, 13:27
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I think you should take that second option. Much more sensible, IMO. Also, ease off completely on trying to talk sense into her, it'll only make all the culties see you in a bad light and get them constantly on the defensive, which is self-defeating in your circumstances. See if you can't just maintain a good, close relationship with her throughout her pregnancy, helop out with a little cash here and there (whatever you can manage) and then maybe in the latter part of her pregnancy suggest that she waits until the baby's six months old before she goes off to India. Hopefully that will give you some time to get through to her. Finally, maybe better to take down that pic of yourself to protect your identity, this site is monitored.
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