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Getting On : Lovers
Pornography | from Pete - Sunday, December 14, 2003
accessed 2868 times What do the people of "MovingOn" think about pornography? What do you think about pornography?
Does it objectify, demean, and promote violence against women; is it a fun sex aid; or is it anybody's business?
(I am referring, of course, to pornography in which both the actors and users are over 18.) |
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from Hollywood
Monday, January 05, 2004 - 19:28
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When my ex & I split up we had a "good faith" relationship ....until it came to my attention that she makes hard core porn. I felt the kids shouldn't have a mother like that & began to take action to take them away from her. She in return called the cops and said I was molesting them. I was arrested & sunk into debt posting bail..farther in debt later with attorney fees etc & still being the middle of this unresolved issue I would say my reaction to porno is burn the bitches. Beside the exsample of another Family raised slut going on to fulfill her destiny.
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|  From Sonderval
Tuesday, January 06, 2004, 01:35
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Uh yeah, I can see how your bad experience of one person who works in the porno industry is obviously proof that everything involved in the industry is evil, the connection is obvious.
Oh, and incidentally shortly after leaving the fam I was beaten to a pulp by a gang of asian youths because of my colour, I assume you agree with me that all asian youths are violent racist thugs?
pfft
Oh, and btw, if you try to take a mother's children away from her be prepared for her to fight you with every weapon at her disposal, I'm not saying that she was right in what she did, I'm just saying that surely you should have foreseen that she might do this when you decided to try and take her kids away from her because you disagree with how she lives a completely unrelated area of her life.
I have a son myself, if anyone tried to take him away from me there is absolutely nothing I would not be prepared to do to prevent that, nothing whatsoever.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Sonderval
Tuesday, January 06, 2004, 11:45
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Yes indeed I am, thank you Banshee
Judging from your last post Hollywood you seem to be extending your hatred to all women rather than just pornstars, this is interesting, so besides Misogyny do you have any other interesting character flaws you wish to discuss with us?
And just to clarify, if some self-righteous twat tried to take my son away from me because of some lifestyle choice I'd made that didn't affect my ability to raise a child in any way then I would be prepared (as a man) to do whatever was necessary to make sure that he failed, although I'd probably have someone come round and do you in before getting the courts involved, but each to their own and not everyone has that option.
I hope for your sake (although I don't really care if I'm honest) that you come across better in court than you do here or you'll probably end up serving some serious time. It all depends on which side your kids end up on I reckon, don't know your mother so can't comment on her, but if you're as self-righteous and judgemental in all aspects of your life as you are with your ex-wife I'd start bodybuilding if I was you, they don't much like child-abusers in jail ;-).(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | from Sonderval
Monday, January 05, 2004 - 18:20
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I reckon there's nothing wrong with porn so long as it's not exploitative, and realistically if someone get's canned for browsing for porn on his work computer he deserves it, it's not the porn's fault he's a fuckwit, and as for altering his sexuality doubt it'll do much damage to someone that stupid, with a bit of luck it might even stop him breeding.
Incidentally, I class exploitative as anything that takes advantage of someone who is either not old enough to have made the decision themselves or is forced into it against their will (the whole east european thing). Other than that it's down to personal choice, and don't give me that all porn is exploitation crap, everyone is exploited every time they go to work, some people just decide to trade on their good looks and sexuality rather than slave away for a pittance in a dead end job for a boss who probably grabs their ass anyway. It's their call, don't force your morality down their throats.
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| | | | from tommyknocker
Monday, January 05, 2004 - 11:29
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I noticed that the american's reaction to porn is conservative compared to the europeans reaction. Ironic, since the europeans who immigrated to america left europe for the sake of freedom.
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| From Hydra
Monday, January 05, 2004, 16:48
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Sexual conservatism in the United States dates back to those who came over on the Mayflower. Did you ever wonder why a male chicken is called a "rooster" in the United States and a "cockerell" in English?
For a very fascinating look at the origins of American sexual conservatism, Bill Bryson's book, "Made in America" has some great history on the subject.
Not only is the American vs. European reaction to porn different, there's a whole different take on nudity in general. In Europe it's a common every day (in summer) sight to see sunbathers in the buff in the middle of a city park.
My problem with pornography is when it becomes an addiction -- to the point that people destroy their families' future because of it (eg, a father that loses his job because of downloading porn at work or eating through his family's savings because of the amount of money spent accessing pornography sites etc.). But in this definition I see it the same way as alcohol, food, sex, gambling or any other pleasure mankind has devised. In moderation it can be healthy, fun and enjoyable. In excess it can destroy you.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Ne Oublie
Monday, January 05, 2004, 18:05
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I'm curious as to the point you were getting at in your comparison of the words cockerel and rooster.
According to Dictionary.com a cockerel is "a young domestic cock; not older than one year".
The word 'cock' however has 15 listed definitions, including:
1. An adult male chicken; a rooster.
2. An adult male of various other birds.
and, probably more relevant to this discussion:
Vulgar Slang. The penis
Anyhow, I was just wondering what your point was in bringing that up.
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| | From Ne Oublie
Monday, January 05, 2004, 18:04
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I'm curious as to the point you were getting at in your comparison of the words cockerel and rooster.
According to Dictionary.com a cockerel is "a young domestic cock; not older than one year".
The word 'cock' however has 15 listed definitions, including:
1. An adult male chicken; a rooster.
2. An adult male of various other birds.
and, probably more relevant to this discussion:
Vulgar Slang. The penis
Anyhow, I was just wondering what your point was in bringing that up.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | From tommyknocker
Monday, January 05, 2004, 12:22
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True, perhaps originally. But eventually America became icon for freedom in all aspects. Freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of religon, freedom of commerce, etc., etc. Comparing the media in europe with that in america the europeans are a lot more liberal than the americans. For example, a topless woman will be shown on a soap comercial in europe and the same would be considred pornographic in the US. Even the male genitalia can be shown on TV in europe. As long as the prodruding organ is less than 45 degrees upright it is not considered pornographic. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Ne Oublie
Monday, January 05, 2004, 15:18
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God! To think that not only did someone take the time to define an 'acceptable angle' but that you would know it!
America has always held to a more conservative sexual perspective than Europe, and much of the rest of the world - everywhere except the Muslim countries, basically. You'll find that the US typically has stricter censorship on sex, and lighter censorship on violence than most of Western Europe, as is evidenced by the US/European age ratings placed on movies due to their respective content.(reply to this comment) |
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Friday, December 26, 2003 - 09:53
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I like porn.
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| from Mir
Friday, December 19, 2003 - 07:01
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It wouldn't be so bad if it was just "hillarious"... The addiction to this stuff is powerful and compelling. It can destroy people's marriages and relationships. It is demeaning to both men and women.
It is very scary stuff... Whether you are a man, woman or child, browsing on the internet, as well as the "normal" stuff, you are very likely to also stumble on some pretty horrific images. Once those images are in your mind, they are there forever. You'd have to make a conscious decision to block them out. What if you are a week-minded person with no proper parental guidance or strong will-power? Or have had perverted thoughts but simply "ignored" them? It might set you down the path of perversion that could be irreversible and could've been avoided if porn was not so readily available
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| From Joe H
Friday, December 19, 2003, 13:11
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I'm more of a weekend-minded person, but I'm struggling to become a week-minded person to advance my career.
Seriously though, I think you're putting the cart before the horse. Porn is symptomatic of what you call "perversion," it is an effect, not a cause. To paraphrase Karl Kraus "Porn producers are optimists if they think they can make people weirder than they already are"*
Note: I find a lot of that stuff pretty "horrific" too, but some is just in poor taste.
* Original quote: "The Devil is an optimist if he thinks he can make men worse than they already are" (reply to this comment) |
| | From Mir
Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 18:11
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C'mon Joe, how can you so dogmatically state that "porn is symptomatic of what you call "perversion". How do you know that to be true? Who says? Yes, there are people out there who are weird, but just because that is the case it doesn't mean that porn should be so readily available.
To give you an example, a young man at my work recently lost his job because the IT guys discovered hundreds of pornographic material on his PC. He was only 21. It was bloody stupid to do it at work (yuck! Gross!) but you have got to very compelled to do something like that knowing that you could get caught and lose your job. What I'm saying is that this kid obviously didn't have a computer at home. If he didn't have access to the internet at work this wouldn't have happened. What freaked me out the most were some of the images that he had. It was shocking really, and it takes a helluva lot to shock me! It makes me think, "bloody hell! What ARE people looking at on the internet? Well, I for one am not going to find out. I don't want that rubbish in my head, interrupting my thoughts and influencing my sexuality.
And darling, why put inverted coma's on the word "perversion"? Lets call a spade a spade, shall we? ;-)(reply to this comment) |
| | From exister99
Wednesday, December 24, 2003, 15:14
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"I am so terribly afraid that I might see an image that I will be unable to forget. Then I will be unable to stop myself from molesting the horses in the pasture next door. Before long there will be 5 Gb of gerbil porn on my work computer and I will get canned. What can I do? I know! I will join a cult that will control all of my media consumption. Under their watchful eye I cannot possibly view images of a 5 Dalmation - 1 blonde gang bang. Then I will be safe. The only price is my free will. What a bargain."
Hello Mir,
I am a digital anarchist. Your line of reasoning is what gets many people into cults, and it is not surprising that you are still saddled with it. If you and those like you want to live in fear of inanimate digital media that has no inherent moral will then go ahead. I left that bullshit behind 12 years ago when I left the cult that demonized me for reading a fucking dictionary.
Religion is a necessary panacea for the weak. If you are mentally weak then get some religion. I am glad that people with no psychological backbone have religion to keep their feeble wills in check. Without religion they would be running around fucking things up. Those of us who are able to think for ourselves have no need to fear things that, Oh My God, might alter our sexuality! The horror!
Sequences of 1s and 0s have no inherent moral attributes!(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From Joe H
Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 18:18
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I don't know how any of this refutes my point. The reason porn exists is because there is a demand for it, i.e. it is symptomatic! You think porn is the cause, then how did the first porn get invented? Obviously someone had to think of it! (and don't you dare tell me it was the Devil!)
I put "perversion" in quotes because not everyone agrees about what is perverted and what isn't. For example, I think that Old Navy is perverted, from their hideous low quality clothing to their dorky commercials, but a lot of people I know wear it, so what's a spade and what's a shovel?(reply to this comment) |
| | from exister
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 13:14
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Pornography is hilarious! The idea that enough people are addicted to this stuff to make it a lucrative endeavor speaks to the laughability of the human condition.
On the other hand it is sad. Nobody gets into making porn because they had a healthy loving relationship with their parents. Many porn actors are in the same boat psychologically as some of the users on this site.
Porn is also instructive in the areas of technique and new ideas. I mean how many guys would have thought of the money shot on their own?
Freaky Deeky...
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Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 12:46
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I suppose it may be all of the above. There are many types of porn.
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| from Joe H
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 12:35
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I don't watch pornography because I find it utterly pointless - why do I need a video to make me hornier than I already am? But I see the need that it fills for couples who are dead bored with each other.
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