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from moon beam - Monday, September 11, 2006
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from must see
Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 11:02

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7516705476148472744&q=alex+jones+documentary+duration%3Along+is%3Afree



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from neez
Friday, September 22, 2006 - 08:06

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Old news!

There are clearly many questions that can't be answered by the official story.

Seriously, if there's one thing we should have learned by now is to question everything. And yes, that includes all the 'popular' conclusions being drawn by various people.

And I for one don't give a shit what cult members think about this. Their mindless opinions should have absolutely no effect on your thought process regarding this matter. Focus on the facts. Simple as that.
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from press for truth
Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 03:40

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from Jedran
Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 02:01

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Not being american or arab I really don't give a shit about who did 9/11 or how it happened. What really matters is the actions take after and the way the world is today.
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From
Wednesday, October 18, 2006, 11:14

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Thats the problem cognitive disodence by people like you who don't want to know. Look up double think.

Those ACTIONS have been to move to a police state, curbing civil liberties and passing new laws to protect the power elite and corporations.

This is how the Nazi's rose the first time round.


Please don't be sheep, don't let history repeat time and time again.

Pass it on..................


For any one who thinks that cults are the only evil, i'll make an analogy that you can squeese one pimple then look down and see gangreen all over your torso and legs.

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From vacuous
Wednesday, October 18, 2006, 12:02

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OMG how sinister and exciting. Hrmm I can see it now, a mastermind plotting to take away our civil liberties through mass carnage, how dreadful and evil...anyone in need of a cause and a revelation in evil...quickly do absorb this, be amased and overwhelmed.

Oh ...and ...you enlightened truth-spreader (unless you want to be a sheep)....


......................pass it on...

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From miss sin is in
Wednesday, October 18, 2006, 12:05

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vac, come in to the chat for a minute, if you can!

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From Removed
Wednesday, October 18, 2006, 12:54

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From miss sin is in
Wednesday, October 18, 2006, 11:21

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Something tells me that D will have a bone to pick with you.

Eh, I dunno if he will or not. But I do know that I have a bone to pick with you, I'm just too lazy to get to it just now.

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From Dissonant
Wednesday, October 18, 2006, 11:56

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Spoken like a true Gemini ;0)
I would love to take issue with this, but I am too busy trying to find the definition of ďdosodenceĒ. Once I have resolved that issue I will attempt to decipher the true meaning of this post hidden beneath the grammatical mayhem. Then, the picking of the bones can commence.

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From miss sin is in
Wednesday, October 18, 2006, 12:01

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Uh, I think the non-word you're meant to be deciphering the meaning of is 'disodence', not 'dosodence', now I have a bone to pick with *you*!


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From
Wednesday, October 18, 2006, 11:51

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--just three weeks till election.(reply to this comment
From Removed
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 02:25

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From Jedran
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 02:01

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from documentories
Monday, September 18, 2006 - 02:32

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No telling how long this will be on Google Video (it was only up for a weekend last time)... So keep posting this... everybody! This is the most informative amazing movie to come along in... years! Everyone please. PLEASE post this for your list... and keep reposting it.


Aaron Russo: America from Freedom to Fascism
Official website: www.freedomtofascism.com

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another good doc


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from keep corperations out of politics
Monday, September 18, 2006 - 01:53

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Look 911 was not carried out by Devil Worshipers or the Queen of England. 911 was the work of the Israeli Mossad and its Neocon moles in the US government. The back bone of Zionism is organized religion, it is fanatical Jews and Christians. More money goes to fund the Israeli occupation from Evangelical Christian churches than from the government even. (One church (Presbyterians) actually divested more money from Israel than what our government gives them in two years worth of foreign aid.) If we could only get other churches to follow...

I know people will say that Pat Robertson is not a *real* Christian. News flash Yes he is. Is he a BAD Christian? Absolutely! But to say he does not hold the minimal believes in a savior, a god, the creation story, and all that other biblical mess is not true, because he and his millions of brain-dead followers DO believe in all that crap. In fact it is one of the main motivations help Zionism because they think they must create conditions to fulfill Biblical prophecies. (making Jerusalem Jewish being one of those.)

Now if you just want to say that they do not follow some of the teachings of Christ then you are absolutely right. But then again basically no one does. Face it, All of Bush's support comes from the 30 or so percent of the country that are Christian fanatics. Religion breeds authoritarianism. What would Israel do without the tens of billions it receives from Christian churches? It would fall apart. I am not saying that Christianity is to blame for what these evil idiots do. I am saying that a Religion is not intrinsically good or bad. Religion is more like a car, and the behavior of the car depends on the driver. It seems like Moderate Christians are psychologically unable to face up to the fact that their own religion is being used to stuff the war-mongers pockets and finance aggression all over the world [as it has since its invention]. So they invent groups like a secretly atheist illuminati and even alien invasion etc, anything, to create a blame shift.

It was the Zionists. Here is the other thing Alex NEVER talks about, Israel being involved. And they were the ones who fricking did it. look here. END OF EXERT from

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=2847



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From just for fun!
Monday, September 18, 2006, 12:42

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WOW I READ THIS AND I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS CRAZY AND YOU SHOULD TRY THE THING AT THE END OF THE MESSAGE BECAUSE IT IS WEIRD......




1) New York City has 11 letters



2) Afghanistan has 11 letters.



3) Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened to destroy the Twin Towers in 1993) has 11 letters.



4) George W Bush has 11 letters.



5) The two twin towers make an "11"



This could be a mere coincidence, but this gets more interesting:




1) New York is the 11th state.



2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number

11.



3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11



4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers.

6+5 = 11



5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9 + 1+ 1 = 11



6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number 911.

9 + 1 + 1 = 11.



Sheer coincidence..?! Read on and make up your own mind:
1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254. >2 + 5 + 4 = 11.



2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year.

Again 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.



3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 4 = 11.



4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers incident.



Sheer coincidence..?! Read on and make up your own mind:
Now this is where things get totally eerie:



The most recognised symbol for the US, after the Stars & Stripes, is the Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Quran, the Islamic holy book:

"For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was peace."



That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran.



Still uncovinced about all of this..?! Try this and see how you feel afterwards, it made my hair stand on end:


Open Microsoft Word and do the following(TRY THIS FOR REAL)



1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first

plane to hit one of the Twin Towers.



2. Highlight the Q33 NY



3. Change the font size to 48.



4. Change the actual font to the WINGDINGS 1



scary huh??

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From
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 03:52

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even scarier 'coincidence' but also fact is that the guy who is in the same thinktank as bush, cheney, wolfiwitz and rice was put in charge of london underground in time for 7/11 explosions.

also the very same day as the explosions happened we were sitting in bed with our coffe listening to radio four and the initual reports were there was a mock attack on that day-some one for london underground said' it is very strange that this has happened as it was exactly what we were planning for with this drill' later on it was filtered out of the interviews and not repeated anywhere on the evening news (bbc or other)or thereafter. We sure thought it was weird esp. when you consider that there was a drill the morning of 9/11 too.(reply to this comment
From further more..
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 04:12

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we were int eh midst of G8 with the world leaders gathered in scotland and band aide concert had just happened and people were pushing for debt relief for africa and third world nations as well as a demand in parliment to withdraw troops---things wern't tooo rosy for blair or the goverment then bang that happened (london tube bombings) it was back to 'those eveil terrrorist fuck everyone else we have problems...then peol are saying on the news please take away our civil rights- new implements guantamimo bay stylie and people arrested cause they wore an anti bush /blair/ war shirt. skin heads on planes who refused to travel with two guys who wore they're traditional arab clothes...less power for juries, shooting by police on the underground etc..

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From AnnaH
Monday, September 18, 2006, 14:56

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No one should repost any email they have gotten without referencing it to Snopes.com. Please see the following:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/quran911.asp(reply to this comment

From AnnaH
Monday, September 18, 2006, 14:59

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And more...

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/elevens.asp

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/madrid.asp

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From Dissonant
Monday, September 18, 2006, 12:56

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Oh my garshkie!

So is like 11 the new 13. Because I heard that brown is like the new black this fall.

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From Jedran
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 01:58

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and orange is the new pink.(reply to this comment
From johnson45
Monday, September 18, 2006, 06:53

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You make some interesting points, but I think you're giving Israel a little too much power. I don't believe they control the whole world through Christians and religion. They may be very powerful in the Middle East however.

I have to say that your post has an undercurrent of prejudice against Christians and Jews. Itís sugar coated with cute puns and is written eloquently, but it feels like bigotry to me. Maybe I'm wrong though.

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From Ne Oublie
Monday, September 18, 2006, 02:50

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What's with this my-conspiracy-theory-is-more-sensible-than-yours malarky? Do you actually think any of this makes you sound intelligent or objective?(reply to this comment
From new pearl harbour
Monday, September 18, 2006, 03:59

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From Ne Oublie
Monday, September 18, 2006, 02:53

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That said, I think the car/driver analogy is a good one - shame it's padded in the rest of that post!(reply to this comment
from lol....
Friday, September 15, 2006 - 17:10

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George Bush is a Saint!

President George W. Bush was scheduled to visit the Episcopal Church
outside Washington as part of his campaign to restore his poll
standings. Bush's campaign manager made a visit to the Bishop, and said
to him "We've been getting a lot of bad publicity because of the
president's position on stem cell research, the Iraq war, Katrina, and
the like. We'd gladly make a contribution to the church of $100,000 if
during your sermon you'd say the President is a saint."

The Bishop thought it over for a few moments and finally said, "The
Church is in desperate need of funds and I will agree to do it."

Bush showed up for the sermon and the Bishop began:

"I'd like to speak to you all this morning about our President. George
Bush is a liar, a cheat, and a low-intelligence weasel. He took the
tragedy of September 11 and used it to frighten and manipulate the
American people.

He lied about weapons of mass destruction and invaded Iraq for oil and
money, causing the deaths of tens of thousands and making the United
States the most hated country on earth.

He appointed cronies to positions of power and influence, leading to
widespread death and destruction during Hurricane Katrina. He awarded
contracts and tax cuts to his rich friends so that we now have more
poverty in this country, and a greater gap between rich and poor, than
we've had since the Depression.

He instituted illegal wiretaps when getting a warrant from a secret
court would have been a mere administrative detail, had his henchmen
lie to Congress about it, then claimed he is above the law.

He has headed the most corrupt, bribe-inducing political party since
Teapot Dome. The national surplus has turned into a staggering national
debt of 7.6 Trillion, gas prices are up 85%, and vital research into
global warming and stem cells is stopped cold because he's afraid to
lose votes from some religious kooks.

He is the worst example of a true Christian I've ever known. But
compared to Dick Cheney and Karl Rove, George Bush is a saint."

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from what professor steve jones has to say
Friday, September 15, 2006 - 10:56

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http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635160132,00.html
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from
Friday, September 15, 2006 - 09:29

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http://www.freedomtofascism.com/
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Friday, September 15, 2006, 10:30

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Professor Steven E. Jones has risked his neck for the
sake of scientific and moral integrity in
examining physical anomalies in the official story of
the World Trade Center attacks 9/11/01,
and now his family's and his fate
rests in our hands.

Brigham Young University, where he teaches physics,
suspended him from his teaching position on Thursday,
September 7, pending an "investigation."

We CANNOT let this stand!

I wrote and sent the following, final draft of a
letter to some of those at BYU who will decide
Professor Jones' fate. Please read it, apply critical
thinking to it, take inspiration from it,
use it verbatim if you wish, and add your voice
to the chorus calling for justice:

'Dear ,

There is a national Movement to reinstate Dr.
Steven E. Jones, champion of scientific integrity and
fighter for examination of evidence in the
World Trade Center collapses. This Movement is not
only for the bare decency of academic freedom.
We call for his immediate restoration
because Professor Jones respectably represents not only
his position, the university and academe at
large, but his fellow human beings and our
demand, all of us, not just for conscience, but its
active, regular, and vigorous exercise.

He speaks for millions who feel too terrorized by the
tyranny of ignorance to speak out, for fear of
ostracization or worse. Professor Jones represents
and epitomizes courage in the face of the politicization
of science. The fate of this heroic man
and his family rests in your hands, Sir, and we,
many millions of us, pray you do the right thing,
and reinstate Professor Steven E. Jones to his rightful
and greatly earned place.

Respectfully, '

The names of the deciders and links to email them:

http://myspace.com/newworldodor


loose change debate
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Peace , propaganda and the promised land
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The new pearl harbour new book-forward by micheal meacher MP



sign the petition -be heard
http://illuminationartworks.com/911-TRUTH-PETITION-ACTION-PAGE.htm
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From moon beam
Friday, September 15, 2006, 10:39

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School house rock

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Monday, September 18, 2006, 02:24

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from Dalai Pot Lama
Friday, September 15, 2006 - 04:14

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Peace on earth, and good weed to all men.

Amen.
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from Phoenixkidd
Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 11:30

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Conspiracy Conspiracy, the abject to speculate is just human nature. The pentagon crash definitely sounds strange, considering the remains that are left are so few, but then again, they were just looking at videotape of a hole, not necessarily the same gap that the plane went through. The explosion theory is just pure physics at work, fire and projection are very strange forces that can defy certain seeming laws. I was in a home that caught fire from what appears to be paint thinner in the woodshop, and witnesses, including someone who was in the house heard a loud boom as if a truck had come crashing in the back section of the house. So hearing "Booms" are not reliable sources of the cause of a fire or collapse. I personally believe the heat expanded the steel casing from the floor joists, which caused a domino effect on the floors which eventually caused the building to collapse.
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from JohnnieWalker
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 23:55

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I won't participate in this thread other that to post a brief reply to this article, as I prefer not to theorize on subjects I have no qualifications in.

If there's one thing that growing up in the Family has taught me, it is to question everything. When I first came across the alternate 9/11 theories my initial reaction was that I didn't know enough about the official theory to give credence to either side. So I looked up both.

I found the conspiracy documentaries such as "Loose Change" and "In Plane Site" too sensational in nature and generally, I lose interest quickly when the only evidence comes in the form of blurry images. There are, however, several other documentaries, that present far better arguments.

The official theory, believe it or not, is rather interesting as well.

Regardless, the point I wanted to make here is that I find highly amusing the hyperbole and emotional outbursts from both sides that follow even the slightest questioning of the events of 9/11. Every related forum or video clip that I came across in my research had people at each other's virtual throats, insisting that they were right.

When confronted with an opposing point of view, I've found it helps to question myself why I am so opposed to accepting the other person's arguments and why I feel threatened by their perspective.

As with all things of this nature, I believe the truth is somewhere down the middle.

For now, I have settled for accepting the official theory (mainly because the question "How many hundreds of people where in on this?" comes up in my mind far too often with the other theories). But that doesn't mean I should not or cannot question its discrepancies and express interest in those discrepancies being more thoroughly investigated.
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from Big Sister
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 22:52

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If you google: world trade center conspiracy, you get almost 14 million hits. Lotsa people out there interested in conspiracies. Maybe it's just the normal reaction to trying to comprehend this horrible event. Conpiracy theorists offer simple (disguised as complex and logical) explanations for things that probably never will have an accurate explanation for people who need an easy answer. Hmmm, that pattern of thinking sound familiar...where have I heard this before...?
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From neez
Friday, September 22, 2006, 08:14

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"where have I heard this before...?"

Would that be in one of Dubya's 'they hate us for our freedoms' speeches?(reply to this comment

From vixen
Friday, September 22, 2006, 08:19

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Well hello you!

And can I say,

I TOLD YOU SO!!! ;-)


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From neez
Friday, September 22, 2006, 08:59

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You can. But it would probably just confuse me, and keep me awake a bit longer wondering what you were referring to.(reply to this comment
From vixen
Friday, September 22, 2006, 09:08

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Heh. It wasn't exactly directed at you. I was just extremely jubilant at finally having been right about something.

And here, let me help you out. This is what I was referring to:

From vixen
Friday, September 22, 2006, 03:54
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'He really isn't the brightest bulb on the tree.'

-- Heh, cue an appearance by neez right about now...

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From neez
Friday, September 22, 2006, 09:38

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I must've missed that due to the fact that I've been living under a rock for the last couple months. It got a bit chilly but the rent was cheap.

Paste a link(I know you have the entire website catalogued in your favourites;) and I'll be happy to discuss this serious subject once again.(reply to this comment

From vixen
Friday, September 22, 2006, 09:41

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Anything for 'him of the sexy 666 eyes', as jersey put it so well all those months (years, even?) ago ;-)

http://www.movingon.org/article.asp?sID=2&Cat=44&ID=3802

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From vixen
Friday, September 22, 2006, 09:43

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P.S.

But I'm still not convinced that you are the REAL him of the sexy 666 eyes...

Sigh. Life is so confusing at times. Intrigue!

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From neezy
Friday, September 22, 2006, 09:49

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Yes it's all too much for my tired brain. Goodnight Vixen.(reply to this comment

From AndyH
Friday, September 22, 2006, 09:10

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Yeah, but that was under an entirely different article. (reply to this comment
From vixen
Friday, September 22, 2006, 09:18

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And???

I only said that neez would make an appearance today, and he did.

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From vixen
Friday, September 22, 2006, 09:31

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Oh My Goodness.

All of a sudden i am not sure that it was the REAL neez who graced the site today!

Shock horror, i may not have been right after all!

I am so dazed and confused today.

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from
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 22:41

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"I believe in you Peter!"
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from GetReal
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 11:11

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Ha ha ha you must be a democrat.
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From worse...
Monday, September 11, 2006, 13:16

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From johnson45
Monday, September 11, 2006, 11:35

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Uh, ya! Don't blame me, I voted for Gore and Kerry.(reply to this comment
from johnson45
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 11:02

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Conspiracy theories like this one are not just stupid, theyíre down right dangerous. They encourage fear, hate, prejudice and even violence. Some Muslim extremists for example, believe in the 911 theory, and have killed innocent people because of their idealistic ideas and crazy conspiracies about the US government. David Berg had hundreds, similar to the 911 theory, and they were unfounded, uneducated, racist, and just plain stupid.

Thank you for continuing David Bergís work. Youíd make him proud!
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From AnnaH
Wednesday, September 13, 2006, 15:47

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I'm sorry, I'm not understanding you. It seems you are saying that Muslim terrorists are attacking us because of a theory that our government would attack it's own nation and kill thousands. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. That sounds a little like a conspiracy theory to me.

Have you watched the video? If not giving us any real explanations for why it happened, it does raise a lot of interesting questions about why and how the government/media said it happened.(reply to this comment

From afflick
Monday, September 11, 2006, 13:47

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I didn't realize these conspiracy theories were so numerous. I saw some of this "documentary" early last year. Ironically, it was on a current Family member's blog. I wasn't surprised that she (the blogger) would buy into a conspiracy theory, as they are rife in TFI. The question I always ask is, if 9/11 was planned by the government, why did George W. continue to sit in a Sarasota classroom for another eight minutes? Shouldn't his aids (or Dubya himself) have practiced the whole getting up and striding confidently out to face the nation thing? Because that "My Pet Goat" debacle was just embarrassing for him. If he was prepared, he would have looked prepared--or at least presidential.

It is easier for our human nature to believe that the terrible events which befall us are orchestrated by a higher power--whether man or god--rather than sheer happenstance and circumstance. (reply to this comment

From AnnaH
Wednesday, September 13, 2006, 16:20

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I agree with that statement, and I lament the fact that people seem to always look for someone to blame rather than just chalking it up to plain bad luck. But in this case "sheer happenstance and circumstance" was orchestrated by someone or something on a huge scale. I think we can agree this wasn't some random accident that a few planes coincidentally crashed into some buildings at the same time. Someone is responsible and that someone should be punished. You can't blame us for seeking answers in these conspiracy theories. The ones we've been given are pretty faulty.(reply to this comment
From afflick
Saturday, September 16, 2006, 07:03

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I shouldn't have used the word "happenstance" in my post (I was just so damn tempted by how wonderfully it rhymed with "circumstance"!). By "happenstance" I meant to convey not "accidental", but "randomness." The exact floors suffering a direct hit, those coming in early that day, those who were caught inside and on which floor, these are all acts of randomness that in many cases deternmined who lived and who died.

By "circumstance", I meant the way the terrorists were able to formulate such an outlandish plan--who would have ever thought such a thing would ever occur?? The circumstances of the terror plot were deadly and effective. I hold this terrorist group (Al Qaida and Bin Laden) completely responsible for the deaths of so many innocent people: workers who either didn't know what hit them in the moments before their death, or had to make a horrible choice: jump or burn. Five years later, every time I see footage of those who jumped, I get chills. (reply to this comment

From cheeks
Wednesday, September 13, 2006, 11:19

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That was a joke right? You wanted our president to look presidential. When has he ever looked presidential half the time he talks he is hanging on to the podium, he mixes up words and doesn't know the meaning of some of the words the press throws at him. He is a total idiot. He can't even fake looking intelligent. (reply to this comment
From afflick
Saturday, September 16, 2006, 07:07

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I DO wish he looked presidential, especially on that day. I really wanted a president who would rise to the challenge and LEAD the nation like Churchill or Roosevelt. Just because he has disappointed and angered me over the last four years does not mean I don't WISH he could have been different--even if that meant he had to practice how to do it.(reply to this comment
From johnson45
Monday, September 11, 2006, 14:13

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I couldn't agree with you more. It really is comforting for some people to believe that every major event in the world has been orchestrated by some nameless, faceless organization, so there is nothing we can do about it. Itís time for people to take responsibility for the mistakes their governments have made. Bush has made many, and itís costing civilian lives and really hurting our military.(reply to this comment
From
Monday, September 11, 2006, 22:40

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Or mabby its comforting for you to believe that it was all those muslim terrorists.

You seem to be scarred from all your time in the cult that its impossible for you to open your mind to the possiblity that your government is no less a terrorist than any other turban wearing jihad loving muslim.(reply to this comment

From Yes comforting
Monday, September 11, 2006, 17:17

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It is comforting for you to believe that anyone who doesn't believe as you believe must be an insane "conspiracy theorist". Well, I have never had an interest in conspiracy theories, and to be quite honest the bulk of the points raised in the above documentary were very weak, but that doesn't change the fact that THE POPUlAR STORY STORY DOES NOT STAND TO REASON. If they were telling the truth the evidence would cooberate it, but it clearly does not. You seem like an intelligent person, you should take a closer look at the facts, rather than dismissing any idea that causes you to feel cognitive dissonance. (reply to this comment
From johnson45
Friday, September 15, 2006, 16:02

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I havenít been on this site for a couple of days, so I havenít been able to respond to other peoples comments on my comments.

All I have to say isÖ..YAWN! Iím bored with this discussion. Iím right and youíre wrong, kay? Just accept it!!(reply to this comment
From Repeat After Me
Monday, September 11, 2006, 23:21

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1. Corroborate: to confirm.

2. Cooperate: to assist and the like.

3. Collaborate: see No. 2 above.

4. Cooberate: not a word, all evidence of MovingOn to the contrary!

5. Coober Pedy: renowned Australian source of very nice Opal.(reply to this comment

From AnnaH
Wednesday, September 13, 2006, 12:38

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What about combooberate? Is that a word?(reply to this comment
From Repeat After Me
Wednesday, September 13, 2006, 19:37

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Yes, it means "to be Pamela Anderson's plastic surgeon".(reply to this comment
From Thank you hilarious stranger
Tuesday, September 12, 2006, 06:51

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From AnnaH
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Or maybe he's just a really bad actor, and that blank stare was just his attempt at shock and horror. Also, maybe he didn't have anything to do with it. I can't see George W. Bush masterminding anything, let alone one of the greatest attacks in America's history.(reply to this comment
From WTF?
Monday, September 11, 2006, 11:44

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Thatís a downright fallacious argument. Why donít you address the issue? If you donít think itís true, why not cite points for discussion/debate. (reply to this comment

From Nick
Monday, September 11, 2006, 13:57

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Address what "points"? The "points" that you got from watching that documentary? Seriously dude, why donít you and Berg get together for a case of sherry and discuss this some more.
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From neez
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lol Nick. Seriously, wtf does Berg have to do with any if this? Millions of people who've never even heard of Berg are asking these questions.

Why would you even the cults opinions about anything into consideration?(reply to this comment

from Here's what I think of 9/11
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 09:40

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*YAWN* (repeat ad infinitum)

It must be really awful to have been born on this date, imagine how irritating it must be to have your special day ruined by everyone wanting to be all sombre and shit.


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from Nick
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 07:49

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I am sorry, but of all the hair brained conspiracy theoryís that have ever been hatched, this is by far the dumbest! It ranks side by side with the one that says "Bush blew up the levyís deliberately to kill all black people..."

You would have to be a complete idiot to believe that crap.

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From Ok,
Monday, September 11, 2006, 08:19

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So how does the steel framework of one of the largest buildings in the world melt in 9 seconds? (reply to this comment

From afflick
Monday, September 11, 2006, 13:58

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It didn't melt in nine seconds but over the near hour and near hour and a half of constant burning since each plane struck each one of the towers. It FELL in nine seconds, quite a different thing entirely.

As is documented in blue prints, the fireproofing on the floors was sprayed on during construction in the 70's rather than being fitted to the floor beams more securely. Most of this fireproofing was knocked off from the impact of planes barreling through at 450+ and 550+ MPH. Additionally, the building was supported and fortified by each of the floors. They held the walls in place. When the floors buckled under the intense, constant heat with little remaining fireproofing, the walls also gave way.

On the other hand, it is nearly impossible to convince someone with facts when they so dearly cling to fanciful ideologies. This site has taught me that. So, have at it: the American government was behind 9/11, Elvis is alive and JFK was killed by Marilyn Monroe sympathizers. Hoorah!(reply to this comment

From Regardless
Monday, September 11, 2006, 14:09

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Kerosene does not melt steel. That is a fanciful Ideology. (reply to this comment
From Rock Paper Scissors
Monday, September 11, 2006, 23:24

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Only heat melts anything, duh.(reply to this comment

From Nick
Monday, September 11, 2006, 14:22

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Kerosene??? I am sorry, did I miss something? Were Boy Scouts setting up a camp stove in the twin towers or something?
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From WikiNerd
Monday, September 11, 2006, 20:10

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From Do some research
Monday, September 11, 2006, 15:51

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Larry Silverstein, owner of WTC, said that WTC was "pulled", intentionally demolished.

Larry Silverstein:
"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."
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From hmm,
Monday, September 11, 2006, 23:26

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When, in what TIME (which some of us know there was precious little of that morning) did they set up the demolition?

"Pull" most likely refers to pulling out the emergency responders since they could not save others any more but would just add to the death toll.(reply to this comment

From
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it's in the doc-the towers had a number of fire drills in the weeks proceeding and maintanence of the lifts. Also the owner of the twin towers was also the owner of tower seven used to hold all the files for the corperate fraud cases and billions in gold. He also took out insurance 6 weeks prior to the event, but later in court was given less than half the insurance.(reply to this comment
From reality check
Tuesday, September 12, 2006, 04:41

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1. Fire drills are held regularly in most buildings of any size.


2. Building - and even contents - insurance is all but a requirement, in the modern environment.(reply to this comment

From Otter
Monday, September 11, 2006, 14:41

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Jet fuel is refined kerosene.(reply to this comment
From Yes yes yes
Monday, September 11, 2006, 20:37

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That's right, JET FUEL, (or kerosene for you special needs students out there. Nick, afflick, Samuel, I'm talking to you here) has a maximum burning temperature of 980 degrees Celsius, while steel has a melting point of 1510 degrees Celsius. Hmmm, let's try to put our bigotry aside and be intelligent for 2 seconds. IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR JET FUEL TO MELT STEEL! But NO!!!!! I'm the crazy person, I'm insane! I don't believe the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard of. As I wise man once illustrated to me "They are sucking on the asshole of society, eating whatever turd emerges out of it, eating it willingly, wholeheartedly."

OK, you "sane" persons. You "patriots" you loyal devotees to our God-appointed government, tell me, please, tell the ignorant, godless, conspiracy theorist, how a gigantic commercial jet vaporizes at the pentagon. Please, I want to believe, give me a good reason to believe, explain to me how a large commercial airline vanishes upon impact, restore my faith in God's leader, GWB. PLEASE! SAVE MY SOUL!(reply to this comment
From Nick
Tuesday, September 12, 2006, 08:03

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man, talking to you is like flogging a dead horse! Listen up here kiddo. The bldg did not simply fall because the metal structure melted. Why donít you get that through your thick head? The structure didn't completely melt. It was just weekend by the heat and once the one floor collapsed due to a combination of a huge jet hitting it and the heat, it cause a chain reaction that caused the other floors below to collapse under the weight.

However if you want to believe that Bush and a team of tiny ninja midgets crawled through the walls of the bldg, undetected, for weeks and laid out a bunch of explosives then you go ahead and believe that...
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From afflick
Tuesday, September 12, 2006, 04:09

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How convenient is that? Everyone who disagrees with your theory is suddenly a "patriot loyal devotee" to the "God-appointed government"? Perhaps instead of blindly lumping me into your self-serving categories you could stick to the issue at hand: 9/11. Contrary to what our President is trying to tell you, this day has nothing to do with being Republican or the war in Iraq.

Furthermore, Nick, Samuel and myself have used our screen names to identify ourselves and our opinions. How sure of yourself can you be if you cannot show the same curtesy?(reply to this comment

From Unsure and discourteous
Tuesday, September 12, 2006, 07:29

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I was pissed off and got carried away. For that I'm sorry.

Criticizing someone for posting anonymously is old and stupid and I'm not even going to dignify that with a response.

As far as dismissing you with a generalization, were you not doing the same to me? To all of us that are presenting opposing views? You were. I'm not psycho, I don't endorse terrorism, but I do believe that people lie, especially powerful people. I just want answers. Why won't they give us answers? Can you answer that? It would be quick and would put an end to all this madness. (reply to this comment

From
Tuesday, September 12, 2006, 02:27

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not one drop of blood was found on the site that was shot down/taken down. ALL there was was a 16 foot hole no fire marks no bobies, no debris scattered for miles etc..

Also research has been down at different altitudes and no way can a mobile call get through and why the some of thepeople on that flight say 'hi mom my name is john doe, you dod believe me don't you?'

out of the four planes, giving us 8 black boxes in total, not one of the boxes has been found.


the news at the time showed eyewitnessess describing more than 6 explosions.....the last tower to be hit was the first to fall.....


THE DOC BRINGS UP SO MANY POINTS-YOU JUST HAVE TO SEE IT.

THIS HAS BEEN COVERED IN A NEW BOK ENTITLED

THE NEW PEARL HARBOUR(reply to this comment
From lisa
Friday, September 15, 2006, 04:33

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There where no bobies though research has been down at diffrent altitudes. (reply to this comment
From resist paranoia
Monday, September 11, 2006, 23:39

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Yea, and jet fuel was the only thing burning in those towers, huh?

Let's try putting it this way, fact always trumps theory. The FACT is, it happened. So rather than being a bunch of ostriches swearing blind that "it's impossible for jet fuel to melt steel", why don't you accept reality and start re-assessing your theories!(reply to this comment
From AnnaH
Tuesday, September 12, 2006, 07:05

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Because there are other possibilities. You cannot say that because of lack of evidence to contrary, that makes your claim true. I'm not accepting this theory as true, because I don't know all that much from either side, but your argument is faulty. There many questions we don't have answers to(yet), it doesn't make your answers right.

And what do you mean Jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning in those towers? (reply to this comment

From resist paranoia
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I'm not saying that a kerosene-fueled fire necessarily melted the steel framework, rather that the fact is the towers were hit by planes and the end result was that they collapsed, therefore claiming that this is not possible because "jet fuel cannot melt steel" is irrelevant. There are so many possible variables - for example the combustion of the towers and their contents - before resorting to conspiracy theories.(reply to this comment

From Call it what you want....
Monday, September 11, 2006, 10:09

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And the buildings didn't colapse, they were demo'd. It takes two weeks to place the charges to demo a building.

No plane hit the pentagon. There is not a piece of plane wreckage near the hole in the pentagon. The hole is also far too small to have been made by a plane.

Neither of the planes that hit the towers were passenger planes, this is clearly visible in closeup shots of the planes before collision.

Bin Laden, who was a close friend of the bush family, never claimed responsibility for the attack.

The US supplied Al Qaida with their weapons to ensure protection against the Soviet Union.(reply to this comment

From Ex-member
Monday, September 11, 2006, 12:52

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Oh...My...God. You aren't the same idiot that was posting that nonsense about the "sinner" chic who didn't go home with the chauvanist dude are you? Maybe a sibling?

Seriously, there IS no argument here...(reply to this comment

From steam
Tuesday, September 12, 2006, 10:37

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I would like it stated for the record. I only post under my name. If I was not prepared to stand behind something, I wouldn't say it. That said I posted that stuff from a Fam discussion board making it clear that it was pure insanity and I totally disagreed with it. There are a lot of "arguments" being thrown around on this, and none are very detailed. Most of the emotional intesnsity people display on this is uncalled for. Having a different opinion than someone else on this subject does not make one person "good" and another "bad". Of course anyone who would say there is any justification for the horrible attacks is seriously deranged and for lack of a better word "bad". I don't think anyone here falls into that mindset.(reply to this comment
From Nopes
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From What?
Monday, September 11, 2006, 12:59

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There is always an argument. In this case it is not the theory that makes itself strong, it is the complete lack of strength of the existing theory. Jet fuel does not melt steel. Planes do not vaporize on impact. The pentagon has more surveilance cameras than virtually any spot in the world, and they released 5 frames of footage, none of which show a plane.

SHOW ME A BETTER EXPLANATION, BEFORE YOU CALL PEOPLE IDIOTS(reply to this comment

From lean_back
Monday, September 11, 2006, 20:55

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http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

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From AnnaH
Wednesday, September 13, 2006, 17:33

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Wow, I love your first page, thebestpageintheuniverse.net, that is freaking hilarious. With almost no facts at all it's still a hell of a lot more convincing than those other boring sites.(reply to this comment
From Nick
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It didn't!
Your telling me that 9 sec after the plane hit the bldg, it fell?(reply to this comment

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