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War In The Mideast

from steam - Thursday, July 20, 2006
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Lets air our "Take" on the situation.

I replied to someone's comment on another thread about the war Israel is in with Lebanon. I just thought we could all comment. My take is that the Israelis as a nation have done a lot more with what they had than any Arab nation. Also all of the Arab talk about caring for the Palestinians is nonsense as they barely help them at all. The Arab governments in general display almost no regard for the welfare of their people, the African governments in general as well. The Arab governments love having Israel as the "enemy" to keep people attention diverted. Similar in concept to "The Family" with persecution and the Nazis with the racist focus to divert the German people from other issues.

That said, the U.S spends enough money in Israel that we should be able to demand behavior that we consider in line with our values, and the response that Israel has had to minor provocations has been monstrous. Two soldiers (not civilians) were kidnapped and in response we are looking at the wholesale destruction of a country. Hundreds to thousands killed (almost exclusively civilians) the entire infrastructure targeted, and billions of dollars of damage. The word "terrorist" becomes a little harder to neatly define. There are many subtleties and distinctions with various warring parties etc, but that is my very short overview for what it is worth.

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from must see
Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 08:56


Palestine is still the issue

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from Rain Child
Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 21:08

A bit of fun for any Bush-Bashers:
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from Wolf
Friday, July 21, 2006 - 05:57


Steam wrote: "we should be able to demand behavior that we consider in line with our values"

Yes, and that's exactly the kind of behavior we are getting! Remember what happened when a Lebanese suicide attack killed a bunch of US Marines in the early 80's? A US warship indiscriminately fired missiles into Lebanon, killing hundreds of civilians. For those too young to remember that, after September 11th the US took its revenge by bombing the shit out of countries with no proven connection to the attack.

I'm not bad-mouthing the US here, I am saying that the "we kill 100 of yours for every 1 of ours" policy is just as American as it is Jewish, and at least Israel is aiming in the right general direction!
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from vixen
Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 15:39


The only thing I care about in all this is the reported UN estimation that one third of the casualties of this latest conflict have been children. Disgraceful! But I even have a hard time really caring about that, because seriously, what is the point of taking any notice at all? The world is fucked and the sooner it all goes to hell, the better.

Sleep well tonight and don't spare too much thought on the suffering of innocents.

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From vixen
Thursday, July 20, 2006, 15:44


Eh, should that be '...*for* the suffering...'? See it's much better to be overly concerned with silly details like that, rather than wasting time with problems that are pretty much unsolvable.

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From Well...
Thursday, July 20, 2006, 17:07

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From Captain America
Thursday, July 20, 2006, 18:19

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For those of you who can't go to the Onion at work.....
God Re-Floods Middle East
May 1, 2002 | Issue 38•16


JERUSALEM—In what theological and meteorological authorities are calling "a wrathful display of Old Testament proportions," the Lord Almighty re-flooded the Middle East Tuesday, making good on last week's threat to wipe the region clean if there was not an immediate halt to the bloodshed between Arabs and Jews.

The Lord made the decision to go ahead with His second Great Flood after last-ditch U.S.-Saudi peace initiatives were rejected Monday night.

"The Lord thy God has warned you and warned you, but you have, in your hatred and selfishness, chosen to turn away from Him," read a press statement from God, delivered by seraphim and cherubim acting as His earthly agents. "Prepare now to face His wrath and be drowned beneath the cleansing waters of His righteous rage. Children of Israel and Palestine, you who would not repent your sinful ways and live together as God's children, prepare to face your doom under the unstoppable deluge of the Lord's retribution."

A 200-foot wave bears down on Palestinians clashing with Israeli soldiers in the West Bank town of Hebron.

As of press time, a torrential rain continues to fall on Israel and the West Bank, with the downpour expected to continue for another 39 days and 39 nights. Thus far, flood waters have risen more than 200 feet, drowning most of the humans and animals in the vicinity. The few remaining survivors, most of whom cling to pieces of driftwood, have made desperate pleas for mercy, but their cries have fallen on deaf ears in Heaven, with the Lord refusing to stem the raging waters.

Though regretful over the severity of God's punishment, Mideast peace negotiators nonetheless praised Him for coming up with the first-ever viable solution to the ongoing crisis.

"Yahweh, or Allah, depending on what name you choose to call Him, has finally brought to bear upon this place a direct route to peace," said former president Jimmy Carter, who in 1978 brokered the Camp David Accords, one of the region's many short-lived peace agreements. "Lord knows that I and many others before and since Camp David have done our best to find a way for these two peoples to stop the killing and hatred, to no avail. But God, in His infinite wisdom, realized that it just isn't worth it anymore, and that the best thing to do is cut His losses, drown the whole lot of them, and start fresh once the raging waters subside."

In spite of repeated warnings from God, the flood came as a major surprise to Israeli and Palestinian leaders, who believed He would keep the promise He made following the Great Flood of Noah never to drown the planet again. Confident that God would honor the "Rainbow Covenant," Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat rejected the 11th-hour peace deal proposed by the joint U.S. and Saudi delegation.

"I believe Arafat and Sharon thought the Lord was bluffing and wrongly assumed they could call His bluff rather than make peace with each other," said Timothy Uselmann, a professor at Harvard's Center For Middle Eastern Studies. "Evidently, they were wrong. God has sent a strong message here: Obey His commands, or face certain peril at His hand."

Jerusalem's Dome Of The Rock is engulfed by rising floodwaters.

Speaking on behalf of the Lord, an unnamed, non-denominational representative of Heaven said: "God only promised humanity that He would never again flood the entire Earth. He never said He wouldn't flood specific areas."

The most recent, clearest sign of the Second Deluge came last Thursday, when a tersely worded press statement from God's angelic hosts ominously stated, "If there are any species native to the area that you would prefer not to see go extinct, we strongly suggest you begin gathering them two by two."

In spite of this and other such warnings, Palestinian suicide bombings and the Israeli military's West Bank tank assault continued after God's April 21 cease-fire deadline passed.

"For too long, thou hast ignored the entreaties of thy Lord to let go of your wickedness and hatred and live together in peace, My children," God said. "Thou hast refused the lion to lie down with the lamb, and My rod and staff have been of no comfort to you. Instead, you have continued to kill each other without ceasing. The time has come for that to stop. You want to keep running each other over with tanks and strapping dynamite to yourselves, killing women and children in pursuit of your extremist political positions, that's just fine. Let's see how well you carry out your murderous agendas under 800 feet of water." (reply to this comment

From Rain Child
Friday, July 21, 2006, 01:46

In moments I am not proud of, I think the world would be a better place if all the muslims just vanished one day. I know that's horribly Hitler like, but I just don't know what to do about them.(reply to this comment
From vixen
Friday, July 21, 2006, 02:49


Well goodness, you certainly should feel ashamed of such thoughts! Tut tut!!! How come all muslims are automatically in the wrong? As far as terrorism is concerned, the problem does not lie with 'muslims' but with fanatics. I think a better way of solving things would be for all religious fundamentalists to vanish. But even that would not solve things, because human nature would simply find another way to justify the atrocities and motivate the more susceptible individuals to carry them out.

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From Fish
Saturday, July 22, 2006, 03:01

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Sadly, I feel that Rain is right. The problem is not Islamic fundamentalists. The problem has always been, and will always be Islam.

Islam is not a tolerant religion. It is perhaps the least tolerant of the “great religions”. Furthermore, Islamic countries are for the most part militarily weak, and the majority of them are poor as well. They are by nature obsessed with their own weakness. They cannot fathom that a western country might have more tolerance than they posses, being by nature intolerant.

Thus they feel the need to make themselves heard by various nefarious means.

If the tables were reversed, they would likely be invading the US to enforce veil wearing, Islamic law, etc…

The US likes to promote the PC ideal that it’s only an “isolated handful of fundamentalists” who are involved in terrorist acts, and who have “no support from the vast majority of moderate Muslims”. This seems unlikely. When do the “vast majority of moderate Muslims” mobilize to protest an evil act? 9-11? London bombings? Madrid?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I can seem to remember any major protest against any of these events. I did however witness the “cartoon madness” first hand.

So let’s see. What really gets these oh so “moderate Muslims” up in a rile, is not the deaths of thousands of innocents, but Danish fucking cartoons??

Moderate my ass.(reply to this comment
From Wolf
Saturday, July 22, 2006, 08:50

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Yes, at this point in time, Islam is the least tolerant of the "great" religions. I think it's because Christianity and Judaism had to tone down in order to survive in modern society. Neither religion was more tolerant than Islam 500 years ago.

When it comes down to it, the problem seems to be religion in general. Bring on the antichrist!(reply to this comment

From AndyH
Saturday, July 22, 2006, 09:09

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I completely agree with you. The only reason the Christian majority is as tolerant as it is, is because it is constantly held at bay by intelligent forward thinking people who have fought for centuries to rob the church of it's power. If we stopped opposing the religious right, they would be stoning adulteresses and burning heretics in no time.

For muslims to change, they need our influence, not our bombs. Read animal farm. (reply to this comment

From Rain Child
Tuesday, July 25, 2006, 05:18

I’ve been meaning to get back here to subject you all to my thoughts on this but I’ve been exceptionally busy. Anyway, here goes:

It isn’t just about religion, which is after all, a belief system. It’s of course about governments using religion and ‘God’ as a means of control, or to justify crimes, similar to the environment we ourselves were raised in.

Of all Western people in the world, we ex-Family kids can understand how dangerous Islam as it exists today really is because we know first hand what mindless fanaticism can do to people. Especially people who are living in an information-controlled environment like most Muslim countries.

I know that Christianity from the time it became Roman Law, through the Byzantine era and the Medieval times, up until the times of the Salem Witch Trials, etc, was every bit as bad as Islam today. And I am not racist. I just see something terribly wrong with a culture that fosters such horrors as honour killings, female genital mutilation, (And all the other oppression of women) and suicide bombings, that actively teaches war and aggression.

I want to tell you something I believe to be absolute fact: MOST Muslims would like to see our Western culture brought low. They may never say it. They migrate to our countries and raise their children here and demand (as they have every right to) equality. I don’t begrudge them any of that. I want all people to have a chance to live in peace and happiness. BUT even when they come here and seem to be blending, when they talk to each other, they are constantly putting down Westerners. They hate the freedom our women have and see them as whores. That’s why Middle Eastern men always look at you with lustful eyes. Their culture does not teach men control.

Here in Australia, we had some horrible things happen to Australian girls. Young Muslim men tortured and raped them for being “Aussie pigs”. Just for being white Australians! And these are boys who’ve been brought up in the beauty and comfort of this country, yet their parents continue to teach them that they are superior to us and they learn the secret goals of their community, the same way we all knew as children that there were certain things you never discuss with outsiders.

I was walking to the shops once past a where a large Islamic community lived. Two 10 –12 year old boys called me, and thinking they needed help, I went over. They started trying to grab my breasts and crotch, and actually pulled out their little dicks and started waving them at me and chasing me! I threatened to go and see their parents and they just laughed at that. I realised that as is so often the case, their parents had raised them with an absolute lack of respect for anyone not of their culture. We have had huge riots in Sydney this year over this very subject. Aussies traditionally are the type to give anyone a ‘fair go’ and we never had much racism here until recently. Like I said, I don’t want to wish badly on anyone, but I simply don’t know what to do with these people.
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From Rain Child
Friday, July 21, 2006, 02:50

Of course they're not all in the wrong, but if they weren't around the world would be a much more peaceful place.
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From vixen
Friday, July 21, 2006, 02:53


Yes, I know. I didn't really mean that little exhortation too seriously. But if you're gonna start wishing away the world's problems, there're so many things to get rid of, there'd be nothing but nature left in the end. Let's get back to the garden, eh?(reply to this comment

From Rain Child
Friday, July 21, 2006, 03:54

I don't really wish genocide or anything awful like that. I just wish we had peace and plenty for everyone. (Without resorting to communism or facism)(reply to this comment
From vixen
Friday, July 21, 2006, 04:15


Of course you don't wish that, dear - that's the whole point of wishing, you can wish things to happen magically without any hurt to anyone. Too bad it doesn't actually work :-(

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From Rain Child
Friday, July 21, 2006, 04:39

Are you still around?
I can't get back into chat at the moment.
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From vixen
Friday, July 21, 2006, 05:15


I'm here now, but I think you've probably already got yourself to bed... If you do see this, leave me a quick comment and get yourself into the chat with a spare ID, k?

:-)(reply to this comment

Sunday, July 23, 2006, 13:46

Bush is the new hitler, and the muslims are his jews. (reply to this comment
From Fish
Sunday, July 23, 2006, 19:20

That’s nice a symmetrical sounding, but I rather think not.(reply to this comment

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