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A rant on faith

from vacuous - Sunday, April 09, 2006
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from exister99
Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 12:29


I agree with the general thrust of your article. However, I don't think priori is a noun in the English language. Therefore we cannot have "prioris."
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Thursday, April 13, 2006, 05:05

A priori
Meaning-not derived from experience; deductive; lacking proof; arguing from general principle to expected effect.

IV. Inter-locking A Prioris

Nor does it matter. Man's approach to either God or the Scriptures is in the realm of the a priori. Only by faith can one be certain of the true God or of the truthfulness of the testimony of His Word. If one is sure of either, he has no reason to doubt the other. Conversely, if one disbelieves one, he can find no solid ground for accepting the other. We have here not one a priori fact and one or two inferences but two or three interlocking a prioris. Accept any one and the others become reasonable inferences. But it matters little with which you start. None is proved by ''scientific'' demonstration. to this comment
From exister99
Thursday, April 13, 2006, 13:39


I am not impressed by the fact that WILBER T. DAYTON, Th. D butchered the use of this phrase, which led to you emulating his incorrect usage. It only tells me that you are both wrong. People free wheeling with usage are a dime a dozen on the Internet. Until your attempt to impress chicks by morphing Latin adjectives into English nouns is validated by a legitimate linguistic authority you will continue to just sound silly to me.

We're trying for a civilization here, people!(reply to this comment

From for the duration...
Thursday, April 13, 2006, 15:45

Aww jeez, an I thought morphing Latin into English any-old-which-way was
a long standing western tradition. And a human propensity besides.

Whater you, French or something. ;;)(reply to this comment
From exister99
Thursday, April 13, 2006, 13:42

P.S. Have you ever been to Nampa, Idaho where Northwest Nazarene University is located? I have. It's a stinking, festering, fucking hole in a lava field. The only good things that ever emanated from that backward hamlet are the car parts that I pulled from its junkyards.(reply to this comment
From What is A priori
Thursday, April 13, 2006, 05:08

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from steam
Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 11:19

I enjoyed the article and agreed with most of it as an agnostic myself. I hate even atheistic certainty. However although the dogmas of religion seem crazy to me, and the horrors created by said dogmas are repulsive, I believe a case can be made that in many cases religions (or religious reasons) have been created to justify atrocities, not solely as the cause of such. The idea that many find comfort and hope in religion and this can be considered a good thing has some merit. It goes to the debate of freedom over happiness touched upon in Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World". Think about if you were out in Africa pre-livingstone surrounded by cannibals, and they were converted by him. Which would you prefer a bunch of people who believed crazy stuff, but it made them "nicer" or cannibals. Or think of criminals who find God and turn their lives into one lived for others or (prepare for flashback) "The Little Angel Of The Street", a wasted drug addict who turned her life around. This happens often (even though crazed fanatics who blow themeselves up do to). I am not arguing that on balance there is more good than harm, only that there is manifestly some good and it should not all be discounted.
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From steam
Tuesday, April 11, 2006, 11:25

Another thing, I don't think "connection" is automaticaly harmed by opposing beliefs. If this were the case and if connection with others were the highest consideration, then rejoining The Family would make sense for connection purposes. Tolerance in my opinion is a far more appropriate route to societal good. The reason being first that it is far more realistic, and second that seeking to discourage those who consider their dogma central to their existence could concievable lead to a society with a antireligious dogma and intolerance. (reply to this comment
from placebo
Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 06:25

What!? We germans aren't the master race? And there was me putting on airs..
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from solemn
Monday, April 10, 2006 - 23:04


I agree with you about the whole religion sucks thing. One thing, slavery is wrong because all humans have the right to be free. Slavery was abolished to protect those rights. People also have the right to choose weather or not they will follow a religion and as long as there are weak-minded people there will be religion. I doubt that in our lifetime we will see the abolition of religion. I was thinking of buying an island, wanna go in halfsies?
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From vixen
Tuesday, April 11, 2006, 03:51


Hmmmmm. I don't think I'm optimistic enough to believe that religion will *ever* be abolished. Maybe officially, but weak-minded people will always exist, and oh, the irony, let's not forget that weak-minded people tend to be strong in one (rather irritating) respect - 'We are not afraid to die, for the Lord will take us high, and bring us to his bosom warm, on wings of Love He'll take us home' etc etc etc...

Dammit, I don't think I got the words right!(reply to this comment

Tuesday, April 11, 2006, 15:38

Dammit, you got the words only too right! My life was so miserable in The Family as a preteen that this song was my escape. Then the uncsrupulous GAS Claire Borowik got ahold of me and fed my 12-year-old body to her 40-some year old husband of whom she must have been tired. That song for me truly awakes nightmares.(reply to this comment
From solemn
Tuesday, April 11, 2006, 09:50

There will always be those people. Them, and one stupid Russian soldier.
(Simon Peter) " It was supposed to have happened in communist Russia, at a time when christians were being persecuted SO badly."

(Whisper Singing) “Onward Christian soldiers marching as to war, with…..Etc…etc”

(Mom) "Shhhhhh, The soldiers will hear us"

(Feet) "March march march march"

(Soldiers) "Bang bang bang, Open tha door or we'll break it down.

(Door) "Bang.......Bang.......Door falls"

Fast forward to the ice....

(Some kid) “Mommy its so cold”

(Shivering) "Vvv vv vvv"

(Mom) “Yes, but not for long, soon we will be with Jesus”

(Body falling) “Thud”

(Yet another body) “Thud”

(More shivering) “Vvv vv vvv”

(Whimpering) “Ehh, ooh”

(Body) “Thud”

(Only intelligent bastard in the bunch) “ I d-don’t want t-to die. I w-want to lllive. G-give me my clothes! I want to live”

(Queue stupid Russian soldier) “Here, take my hat….take my clothes.

(Puzzled soldiers) “Huh?”

(Stupid Russian soldier) “As each one of them fell…..I saw a crown being placed on their heads………..I want that crown………I WANT THAT CROWN!(reply to this comment
From Samuel
Tuesday, April 11, 2006, 12:24


You mean your piece of junk tape from MWM still works? I got rid of mine years ago.

What is up with "Eh, ooh"? Are we talking about Russians or Canadians here? : o )

As far as the story is concerned, I'm sure it happened, but probably not the way David Berg told it.

There will always be those who are willing to die for what they believe in. Thankfully, some of them are fighting in Iraq as we speak kicking butt and taking names. May the Lord protect them, and expedite their return home.

" United States Marine Corps- When it absolutely, positively has to be destroyed overnight. "

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From solemn
Tuesday, April 11, 2006, 13:25

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I haven't heard that tape in 20 years, I just have an unfortunate knack for remembering that sort of nonsense. I'm glad to hear that you were finally able to part with yours.

The people on the ice were not Russian, Canadian maybe, that is just my best approximation of whimpering in text form.

I don't care if the story happened. If it did, they deserved it. Heres what should have happened;

(Soldier) "Take off all your clothes and step onto the ice, If you want to deny your faith we will give you your clothes back and you can live."

(A guy on the ice) "Isaak? Martha? It's fuckin cold out here. Jen, you are going to let your son freeze to death out here? WTF is wrong with you people. Huddle, cmon guys, get in here.

(Everyone huddles) "What say we get our clothes back and go home and pray more quietly next time."

(Isaak) "Great idea Tim, you are so anointed."

(Tim) "Yeah, I know. That's why I'm the shepherd Isaak."

(People on ice to soldiers) Hey bud! I'm seeing things your way all of a sudden. Mind throwing me my parka it's wicked cold out here.

(Newly clothed people) *Collective Smug sense of satisfaction for sticking it to the man*

As for your shameless plug for the Marines, Tsk Tsk.(reply to this comment

From sailor
Tuesday, April 11, 2006, 11:19


I guess that's one reason to not drink a lot of vodka(reply to this comment

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