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If given the right to vote, would they even know how to use it?

from roxal - Tuesday, June 21, 2005
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Stand up for your own human rights; don’t let someone control you and your every thought.

This article is just an idea I had, who knows if it would work, but I think it’s worth a thought.

In theory, TF is a great organization that helps humanity, but who was it that said something about first fixing the boulder in your own eye and then worrying about the bean in your neighbors’ eye? (Disclaimer: I used to have this verse as well as many others memorized but I have tried to block them from my brain, therefore, if I’m wrong about the main idea here, don’t hesitate to let me know.) What I’m trying to say is that I don’t think TF can really be doing so much good when they have ruined and continue to ruin so many kids’ lives and to this day have not dealt with or made amends with any if not most of them. They first have to fix the problems within TF in order to be able to reach the full potential that TF, as a humanitarian organization, could possibly offer to others in need of help.

There are many possible solutions to the problems within TF and maybe some better than mine, but for what it’s worth, here is my solution to this problem:

Democracy… (I have supplied a definition to the word, for no one in particular and for anyone who needs it from the encyclopedia at Note: Caps and underlines are mine.

Democracy [Gr.,=rule of the people], term originating in ancient Greece to designate a government where the people share in directing the activities of the state (IN THIS CASE, ORGANIZATION, CULT, OR FAMILY OF LOVE, WHICHEVER APPEALS THE MOST TO YOU), as distinct from governments controlled by a single class, select group, or autocrat. The definition of democracy has been expanded, however, to describe a philosophy that insists on the right and the capacity of a people, acting either directly or through representatives, to control their institutions for their own purposes (THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOD’S PURPOSES AND MAN’S PURPOSES IN TF COULD BE DEBATABLE). Such a philosophy places a high value on the equality of individuals and would free people as far as possible from restraints not self-imposed. It insists that necessary restraints be imposed only by the consent of the majority and that they conform to the principle of equality. (IF THEY WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF US AS EQUAL, I DON’T THINK THEY WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY DID TO SO MANY OF US)

If Family members were given the right to vote their leaders into “office” and they only served for a certain amount of time (4 year term?), wouldn’t TF be more sensible? In terms Family members would understand; what if you were allowed to, praying and asking for guidance from God of course, choose God’s best leader for TF?

Don’t you think it would have an excellent outcome? Wouldn’t TF be able to grow and prosper in all the senses of the words as a better and more evolved humanitarian organization? In my opinion, it would promote growth, security, stability, balance, and many other exceptional qualities necessary for the integral function of this and any organization of this magnitude.

What could they possibly lose? Two corrupt leaders? I say go for it!

So there is the gist of it, that’s the solution I can offer. I would highly appreciate any and all opinions on the subject. This is just an idea in the very beginning stages of development with much room for improvement.

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from frmrjoyish
Friday, June 24, 2005 - 08:03

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I really hope this is the last article we have to see on this subject. TF will never be anything better than they are. Even if Zerby was magically removed from the face of the earth and replaced by some other power hungry cultist, it wouldn't change a damn thing. The basic premise and tenets of TF would still be in place and all the members who criminally turned their back on the abuse of thousands of children would still make up a significant part of its membership.

Let's stop wasting our time trying to come up with ways to improve the political correctness of this cult and just face up to the truth: TF is and will always be a secretive isolated sub-culture that is dangerous to its children and to the unsuspecting victims who support it. It needs to be erradicated and made an example of of what happens when an organized group attempts to abuse and exploit children and other innocents in the name of freedom of religion. No other alternative is acceptable.

I realize that the world is not black and white but in the case of TF the shades of grey are too dangerously close to black that whitewashing will not help. Lets stop trying to find ways to improve and dress up the image of this cult and just be done with it I say!
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From xolox
Friday, June 24, 2005, 09:05


A heaping dose of common sence anyone?

Every time I read one of those insipid "let's fix the cult" posts it makes me want to puke.

Frmrjoyish, you rock!(reply to this comment

From roxal
Friday, June 24, 2005, 09:21

I was not trying to fix the cult, but was offering a solution to the question someone posted for LaMattery a little while back. What will all the current Family members do if and when the leaders of the cult are taken down, and brought to justice? This of course being in the event that all the criminals and leaders are removed from TFI. Yeah it may be highly improbable, but it could work.(reply to this comment
from You have a point,
Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 23:20


But first you would have to get rid of Zerby and her gang of closest folowers. Otherwise there would just be a bullshit democracy like The Family has had off and on through the years.

You remeber how they were always voting in little shepherds, but all the leaders who mattered got appointed from the top?
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From I agree
Thursday, June 23, 2005, 11:55


Yup, get rid of the criminals too.

But this is a solution to the problem of what the current Family members will be able to do when Zerby and her entourage are taken down.

And they will probably have to eliminate all those wierd prophecy letters , anythign written by Zerby and Mo.(reply to this comment

From sassy
Thursday, June 23, 2005, 13:17

If they got rid of everything written by Berg and Zerby, what does that leave them (TF)?
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From roxal
Thursday, June 23, 2005, 13:36

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I believe it would leave them with the most important book of all...the Bible.

Maybe then, they would actually read it and find the true meaning of life.

They would have to "go back to the basics" and start learning what the bible really tells you about life...especialy the moral values.

They would all have to figure out their own beliefs, find out what they truly believe in their hearts. Not what some pervert and his lover have forced them to believe.(reply to this comment

From vixen
Friday, June 24, 2005, 12:23


No disrespect intended to those who believe in it, but the Bible is not necessarily everyone's idea of where to find the 'real meaning of life', whatever the fuck that means.(reply to this comment

From roxal
Friday, June 24, 2005, 12:31


lol. I knew I should have added the disclaimer to that comment. I don't actually think that the bible is the greatest book of all, I was saying that to TF members it should be, considering they call themselves christians. As far as I'm concerned... the bible is a book of stories (mostly fiction).(reply to this comment

From ameliaus
Saturday, June 25, 2005, 10:01


I read about New York City's Billy Graham meetings. Compared to fundamentalists in general, he is pure as the driven snow.

He doesn't preach the Bible, he preaches the Gospel. Not the words of Paul, not the behavior of David and Solomon and Moses, not the acts of the clueless apostles, not anything but the actual teachings of Jesus. completely APOLITICAL.

Jesus never advocated a church, or any kind of scripture. All the bs about the entire Bible being the word of God is annoying and frustrating and impossible to make sense out of. Given the premise that Jesus represents God, then why in God's name does he need further interpretation? Most evangelical/fundamental 'christians' are either 'old testament' christians, (???) 'paulians' (always quoting Paul), or followers of some warped version devised by their founders.

Anyway, this deal in New York is impressive, you can get the article off, today; probably all weekend as it's a 3 day event i think in Brooklyn.(reply to this comment

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