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Quote from "Haymarket". Author: Martin Duberman

from breakaway - Tuesday, December 21, 2004
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This is my quote for the day on education. Since we all learned to become adept at reading random quotes and seeing their “true hidden meanings” from such insightful publications as ‘THE MOP’ and ‘GOOD THOTS’, I thought maybe someone out there would agree with me that this is a good quote. PTL?

Trying to understand what was wrong with my head for so long and put something else into it besides eccentric drunken ramblings has led me to read many, many books (at a rate of one a week). The Haymarket is a book that talks about the lack of workers' rights in the late 1800’s in the USA and the struggle of different movements and organizations to establish humane living and working conditions for them. According to the book, much of the reason for the workers’ misfortune was their already profound sense of fatalism about life. Gee, do I see a parallel yet? As in: “the world is going to end, Jesus is coming back in the sky, we will have a crystal mansion near the fair grounds so we really shouldn’t let the things of this world get us down (strong tongues and prophecy).” The promise of a better life after this one was emphasized over and over in order to make everything negative that happened to us inconsequential, since any suffering or sadness would be forgotten in the world to come, “God hates murmurers! Amen?”
Anyway, this is the quote that really spoke to me and I’ll include it in today’s OHR (with comments in parenthesis), right after the number of cups of water I drank and the consistency of my BMs:

Speaking of the poor working class:
“Taught to believe from early youth that whatever happens to them is either ordained by heaven (God’s will) or the result of their own character defects (NWOs), they discount their ability to influence their own fate.”

PTL! Isn’t this a heavy quote? Doesn't it sound like the way we educate our precious young people? It’s amazing when you realize that the author had this insight without even speaking to me. Maybe I spoke to him in prophecy – oh wait, I’m still alive! I guess he just has a good “system” education and therefore uses his brain to come to such intelligent conclusions.

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from Silence_Restriction_Kid
Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 14:12

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At it's best religion is a crutch for the ignorant and feeble minded. At it's worst it is a tool used by despots and megalomaniacs to commit atrocities and deprive billions of people of their basic human rights. In the case of David F#%^ing Berg (an insane crackpot whaked out of his fucking skull!!) he used it to lure vulnerable young people into his world of insanity, incest, and sexual depravity. Completely emotionally and psychologically damaging an entire generation of TF.

Everyone has been affected negatively by religion in one-way or another, whether they care to admit it or not. Whether you were burned at the stake by the Spanish inquisition, or molested by some crazy fuck who was "showing you God's love, by the way unless he had God's love tattooed on his dick, he wasn't showing you god's love. Religious superstitions can lead to only one thing, you surrendering the 1 inalienable right every human should be born with FREE WILL! I say, "should" because we like many others were born into religious slavery without free will. I know many people will not agree with me and thats fine, not everyone is at a place where they can see the evil religion has released on the world.

That is way I thank God every day that I'm an atheist! ;)
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from banal_commentator
Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 08:42

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Speaking of "The Mop" and "Good Thoughts"; they were the most tolerable devotional reading material for me in the cult. At least a lot of the "quotes" were from mainstream christianity and focused on character building as opposed to Berg or his little whore's nonsensical ramblings.
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From Joe H
Thursday, December 23, 2004, 10:10


I don't know, banal. I much prefer the ramblings of a nut-job to all the sappy self-help shit and cheesy object-lessons from the Good Thoughts. It seemed like there was an idiotic metaphor for yielding to Jesus on every page. After reading it for more than an hour, I always found myself turning everything I saw into a lesson about Jesus. Ahhhhhhh! But Berg's goofy dreams and preverted life stories were as fascinating as they were stark raving mad. To quote Judy Davis' character in Children of the Revolution, I would rather talk with an interesting shit than with a bloody nice person! Would you rather listen to the rantings of the schizophrenics on the subway or the pointless platitudes of a pentecostal preacher?

PS The Mop was pure Berg and Zerby quotes, which makes it great for finding their standpoint on certain issues. Read the section "The Jews" for sheer horror.(reply to this comment

From MopHandle
Thursday, January 13, 2005, 14:24



CAN I HAVE THE SCHIZOPHRENICS??? PLEASE?(reply to this comment

From banal_commentator
Thursday, December 23, 2004, 10:13

The Mop was not purely Berg and Zerby's quotes. And before everyone starts attacking me, I said it was the lesser of all the evils. (reply to this comment
from Joe H
Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 12:25

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So true. Reminds me of a scene in Amores Perros, when the poor mexican girl with one kid and one more on the way says to her boyfriend, who has plans to move away and make a better life for them: "My mother always used to say 'If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans'" Is it any surprise that the Catholic church remains powerful mainly in poor countries? They've exploited their dumb sheep for years, ensuring continued poverty and dependence by discouraging birth control and encouraging a fatalistic attitude exactly like the one you described. As much as I disliked the Puritans, they were partly responsible for the strong work ethic of this country, and the God-helps-those-who-help-themselves* brand of christianity. Kudos to the mexicans (and the rest of us) who aren't afraid to laugh in God's face and do what they want with their lives.

*You won't find that quote in the Bible.
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From ack
Thursday, January 13, 2005, 14:35


That must explain why The Family does so well. God must be helping them...

Since they seem to have helped themselves to everything and anything their twisted little heart desired.(reply to this comment

From banal_commentator
Thursday, December 23, 2004, 08:46

Apparently, there are 1 billion catholics in the world. How is this true??? Only South America and a small part of Europe and the US are catholic. Did I hear wrong?(reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Thursday, December 23, 2004, 10:16


Here's a chart that might help you out

Scroll down to the bottom. You'll see that the total number of Catholics for the top 25 countries is 874.55 million. Considering there are another +/- 210 countries in the world, the 1 billion estimate doesn't seem too unrealistic (provided, of course, the stats at the above URL are accurate).(reply to this comment

From Joe H
Thursday, December 23, 2004, 14:29

If you click "All" you get 934.6 million. That's only 65.4 million away from a billion. (reply to this comment
From out of a billion catholics
Thursday, January 13, 2005, 14:50

you just might get 65.4 million babys a year.(reply to this comment
From banal_commentator
Thursday, December 23, 2004, 10:23

Well, Catholicism is not the most stagnating religion in the world, lets not forget Islam. And apparently, Islam is the fastest growing religion today, what is up with that???(reply to this comment
From xolox
Thursday, January 13, 2005, 14:58


Haven't you heard? this latest crusade galvinizes the population of these Muslim countries, swelling the number of people people who actively profess their beliefs. Combine it with an increased likelyhood of going to their own version of their imaginary house in the sky, AND BAM! There you are.

Plus, Humans love war. Utterly love it, so it feeds the machine.(reply to this comment

From Joe H
Thursday, December 23, 2004, 14:22

It all goes to prove my first principle of human psychology: People are idiots.(reply to this comment

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