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from Anthony Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 11:13 (Agree/Disagree?) Great job Joe. Hey, we all know that our peers who are still in the group visit this site, the following in proof. It's from the FamilyYouth@yahoogroups.com, funny how they don't dare call the site by it's name, and here all this time I though in order to cast out devils you had call them by their names, anyway, here goes: "I recently heard about a discussion on another group about what John Tod said. He stated his theory that the illuminati were scheming to take over the world. Now some of you, no doubt take this as gospel truth..But really people.. isn't there always some new freak trying to take over the globe. I am in no way doubting that the illuminati is real, in fact I get a news letter from them weekly. And one never knows, maybe they do plan on making a one world order.. after all they wouldn't be the first, and theres no question that they won't be the last." (reply to this comment)

From Anthony Wednesday, December 11, 2002, 21:49 (Agree/Disagree?) More from our cult peers. I really should put this in Thepersoniamnow's article "Emerging Prophets", because it's hard to beleive the writer is serious; but then again, I was once there, and weren't we all?! I think the lord is realy giving me a burden for these lost sheep...HAHAHAAHAHAHAHA! I amuse myself. NOTE: I broke this diatribe into paragraphs for an easier reading: "Conspiracy? What conspiracy? I must say, though, that I do have problems with Icke's Reptilian connection & stuff, although... ya never know: Princess Di was supposed to have confided to a friend about the Royal family, "They're all LIZARDS!" And I can imagine THAT! From all I've read & seen I don't need any further proof for a Conspiracy, and where we live, it's a better opener for witnessing than the straight Gospel. For one thing, I've come to realise that a lot of things around us are result of the workings of the Devil, which could have only been orchestrated & put into action by people executing plans (= conspiracy): The wide acceptance of the theory of Evolution with all its flaws, the corruption of arts, culture & the abuse of the media, the whole surveillance machinery...etc. The fake political fronts created by those who benefit from the conflicts... You've got to be very much NOT WANTING TO SEE if you're denying the fact that people sat together to plan this. And of course, smart as they are, they will plant tons of unbelievable stories on Conpiracy related websites to make them look ridiculous, just like the Devil took millions of Church Christians to make Christianity look ridiculous in the world's eyes. On the other hand, I agree with Rick on not spending too much time in delving into the dark side of the "Big picture". But even from the Godly angle it makes sense, for example the History of the Jews: driven out of their country by the Romans in A.D.70 to become the most powerful group of people globally, virtually pulling the threads in every important region of the world... The thing is, the Devil may be behind it, he's the creator of the System's "Matrix". But if you look a little further, you'll see that even he & his whole system are only part of a grander plan which lies behind it, and in the end, even "the wicked were created for the day of judgement" (wherever that verse was...). Okay, that's my little say on the issue. Evidence: Look around you, boy, & if you can't see it, ask for the Lord to open your eyes like Elisha prayed for his servant & you'll see the war behind the scenes... and it's pretty obvious that the devil's using people to act out his plan. In fact, there is reason to believe that he has used, is using and will to an even greater extent than ever before WILL use people as vehicles for himself ("Satan, King Of Empires", the AC, etc.) and his demons, which will all come to the grand finale during the Trib. And I don't doubt that there are people in high places right now who are considered gods by others, who are in very close communication with those "principalities & powers" (Eph.6), conspiring with each other constantly & I wouldn't be surprised if they read this very message... cause WE are their ENEMY NO 1. That's one thing I liked about the John Todd thing. With all the power they have he said that they're still SCARED of us, cause they KNOW our power is greater (1.Jn 4)! That's why I like to expose them & kick their rich & wicked butts... in the name of the power of the KEYS of the Kingdom, which is a million times greater than theirs! PTL!" (reply to this comment)

From Gregd Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 20:18 (Agree/Disagree?) My dad gave some advice that so often holds true: If you have to choose to believe between 'conspiracy' or 'fuck up', always go with 'fuck up'.(reply to this comment)

From Anthony Friday, December 13, 2002, 12:14 (Agree/Disagree?) In FamilyYouth@yahoogroups.com, "Sofi" wrote: > ok so I figure all U guys are having conspiracy constipation.. maybe this is what u'v been missing. mcdozer777@... So, according to you & our Dark Hero of the Skeptics, everyone who believes in such a thing as a conspiracy is suffering from some kind of mental unwellness, or at least has a wrong view according to your opinion. Well, let me ask you one thing: If you're in the Family, you basically believe the Bible, right (yeah, THAT'S what the book's suposed to be at the basis of the Family's Symbol, remember?)? Also the part about the Devil & stuff? (By the way, we publish those things called GNs,& there's lots of stuff in there about, hold tight, very spooky: DEMONS) Well, if GOD has children (as in "Children of God", for example), do you think that it MIGHT possible that it's true what Jesus said in John (a part of the Bible) chapter 8, that the Devil has children, too? And if he does, and those children are humans like us, could it be possible that they sometimes sit together & talk & even like make plans, like we do during Home Counsel Meetings or shopping lists & stuff? Only that they are slightly more ambitious than us when it comes to obtaining power in this world and brainwashing their fellow humans with what they think they ought to believe in... In fact, there are rumours in certain circles that a very powerful political leader, nicknamed the Ani-Christ (or look out in the MO-Letters [just in case you do read'em] for the term "AC" or "ACs" as those who are working on bringing him to power - they're full of those terms...) I don't know what you're so scared of. What's wrong with calling that process a conspiracy? We could also name it, "Our anatagonists' plans for world-takeover" or "just another spooky lizard theory"... Anyway, I'm sure "Pinky 'n' Brain" and the "X- files" offer a lot more insight than that & keep you safe from constipation. Hey, why don't we start distributing THOSE instead of all that religious fanatics stuff? (reply to this comment)

From Anthony Friday, December 13, 2002, 21:07 (Agree/Disagree?) It's strange to know I once beleived this ribbish! In FamilyYouth@yahoogroups.com, mylittlestrawberry@ wrote: OMG HA!... I don't know if this is really worth answering, but I just wanted to explain that just because someone is a bit skeptical when it comes to conspiracy theories, doesn't mean they don't believe in the Bible. I dare say all of us believe in Creation, if only because we've chosen to believe in it. We're not blind to the obvious reality that there is SOMEONE behind the scenes playing "puppet master". The original debate, however, is whether the conspiracy theories can be proven Biblically or not. The Bible does say that there is a devil, who has servants and followers, and the Bible also says that there will arise an Antichrist. This has never been in doubt. However, the Bible does not say that the Antichrist will arise to power with the help of the Rothschilds or the Rockerfellers, or even a secret society; we only know that he'll have help from Satan himself. So even though it does seem quite plausible that everything going on behind the scenes is working towards satan's final victory, it's not gospel truth! The conspiracy is not part of our message and it's not one of our fundamental Family doctrines. (Wait, let me look that one up...) In any case, I believe in the signs of the times. I just have a rejection to all the theorizing, as I'm tired of years of listening to private interpretations, (mis-interpretations) and wild conjectures of current events. Again, I think we all should have a balance between theorizing and skepticism. PS: who's the Dark Hero of skeptics? Is that Dom or the Devil? (reply to this comment)

From Anthony Friday, December 13, 2002, 21:16 (Agree/Disagree?) Rubbish*, as in rubable, I need a rub (out?)(reply to this comment)

From JoeH Thursday, December 12, 2002, 17:03 (Agree/Disagree?) so the princess is really a lizard? sounds like the plot from the Super Mario Bros movie(reply to this comment)

From I don't understand them Wednesday, December 11, 2002, 22:28 (Agree/Disagree?) I say theirs is a wicked god for creating human creatures for the express purpose of judging them. Maybe Sade is their god. (excerpt from reposted diatribe above: "even "the wicked were created for the day of judgement" (wherever that verse was...).") (reply to this comment)

From Anthony Thursday, December 12, 2002, 10:26 (Agree/Disagree?) Yeah, it's like Jesus saying the following: Jesus Speaking: I want to have children so that I can abuse, punish and beat them; I'm the love of God for you, come unto me my rod and staff will comfort you, haha-suckers!"(reply to this comment)

from PompousJohn Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 16:30 (Agree/Disagree?) If anybody gets a chance to read a book called Faucalt's Pendulum by Umberto Echo (I hope I spelled those correctly), it is a very interesting look at the whole illuminati theory. Some very interesting medieval history, and a reasonably good story as well. (reply to this comment)

From PompousJohn Wednesday, December 11, 2002, 08:13 (Agree/Disagree?) Sorry, here is the corrected spelling of the book and it's author's names: Foucault's Pendulum Umberto Eco Got'm both wrong, dammit.(reply to this comment)

From Jerseygirl Tuesday, December 10, 2002, 19:22 (Agree/Disagree?) Well maybeI should read it then. My knowledge on the topic seems to be limited at present to the info I got from the Blue volume(8)at age 9! The first time I saw a Mason temple here I freaked! LOL (reply to this comment)

From PompousJohn Wednesday, December 11, 2002, 08:10 (Agree/Disagree?) Well there's no big revelation to be had from reading the book, it only provides a theory about how rumors like these get started, and affirms that this particular conspiracy theory has been around for a long time. Other than that, it's a very long book, unless you're interested in a pseudo-history of the Templar Knights. Also, if you thought the movie "The name of the Rose" with Sean Connery and Christian Slater was interesting you might enjoy it. (same author) Email me if you are interested in an electronic(text file)copy.(reply to this comment)

From JoeH Wednesday, December 11, 2002, 13:59 (Agree/Disagree?) in this same vein are the books "Holy Blood, Holy Grai," which theorizes that the holy grail was really a metaphor for the search for Jesus' descendants, and "Tomb of God," which extends from the first book and tracks down a burial site which the author speculates contains the body of Jesus. A lot of speculation that no serious skeptic would take seriously, but they make some interesting points, like the scholarly research about the actual Jesus, and the suppression of the Nazarenes, who believe Jesus was just a man, by the Catholic Church. (reply to this comment)

From Jerseygirl Wednesday, December 11, 2002, 21:33 (Agree/Disagree?) Is this something you studied--or just a particular interest of yours? (reply to this comment)

From JoeH Thursday, December 12, 2002, 17:02 (Agree/Disagree?) yeah, it's called Conspiracy 101, everybody takes it freshman year(reply to this comment)

From Jerseygirl Thursday, December 12, 2002, 17:22 (Agree/Disagree?) Oh shoot! I really missed out!(reply to this comment)

from EWS Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 07:43 (Agree/Disagree?) http://members.tripod.com/~RobertGillette/Illuminati.html (reply to this comment)

From JohnnieWalker Tuesday, December 10, 2002, 14:12 (Agree/Disagree?) For those of you who don't have time to read through what Robert Gillette has to say at the link posted above, the pertinent parts are in essence: Robert is convinved the Illuminati exist but the Protocols are a forgery.(reply to this comment)

From EWS Tuesday, December 10, 2002, 21:43 (Agree/Disagree?) Thanks Johnny! You impress me yet again. Too bad you're all the way over in Germany; I'd plant a little kissie poo right on those lips of yours. Dance like there's nobody watching, EyesWideShut(reply to this comment)

from xhrisl Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 01:27 (Agree/Disagree?) Damn, I guess no one told Zerby and Co. Or...(as X-Files music plays in the background) is that just what they want us to think. (reply to this comment)