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Getting Out : Media Reports
Law & Order... Ricky??? | from Blingbling - Wednesday, March 30, 2005
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http://www.nbc.com/Law_&_Order/index.html
"PERVERTED CULT THAT MOLESTS CHILDREN LEADS TO SLAYINGS AND SUICIDES -- Detectives Fontana (Dennis Farina) and Green (Jesse L. Martin) are repulsed when they investigate the murder of a woman by a suicidal
young man (as Ranson, guest star Austin Lysy) and discover a cult
which encourages adult-child sexual relations - and prosecutor Borgia
(Annie Parisse) is determined to nail the mesmerizing but formidable
woman (as Mrs. Shelby, guest star Deborah Hedwall) who heads it. Aided
by fellow A.D.A. McCoy (Sam Waterston), Borgia traces a string of
suicides from the surviving youths and searches for a secretive "Book
of Daniel" that could wipe out the perverted sect forever. S. Epatha
Merkerson and Fred Dalton Thompson also star. TV-14"
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from
Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 08:14
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For those of you who did not see the Law & Order episode on NBC last week, I posted it here. The storyline is based on the Family.
www.gotfredson.org/laworder/laworder.wmv
It is a BIG video file of 50MB (lasting 45 minutes). I will keep it posted for a few days so you can download it, but I am not going to make it available publicly because I can't afford the bandwidth. If you want to download it and repost it on another site, go ahead.
This video came from Jim LaMattery. I digitized it from VHS and I am giving it back to Jim on CD. Maybe he'll post it on his web site for streaming video.
Regards,
David Gotfredson
KFMB
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| | | | | | | from roughneck
Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 17:02
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One thing I did notice that I don't think anyone else has commented on yet: The DA (I think it was anyway) was happy to charge 'Richard Ranson' with Manslaugher rather than Murder. Gee, that sounds a whole lot like almost-justifiable homicide, doesn't it? I guess it's not just "bitter apostates" (love how they managed to wiggle that phrase into the show) who have that opinion, huh?
That being said, Xolox, Law and Order does this to just about every other major headline story. You'll notice on this page http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/EpisodeGuideSummary/showid-180/Law__Order/ if you read the NOTES sections under quite a few episodes it will say what real life headlines the show was ripped from. Incidentally 'Sects (E5324)' doesn't have any 'ripped from the headlines' note. Perhaps we should write angry letters to the tvtome webmaster in order to rectify this obvious oversight. Or not, as the case may be. ;)
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Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 15:26
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I have to agree that Dick Wolf & the rest of the Law & Order crew telling our story is a little disturbing...yet quite accurate. If only the outcome were the same.
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| from xolox
Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 08:48
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From the comments posted so far, I can see I might be the only one who's unhappy about NBC capitalizing on this.
Law And Order is the most watched show on television. This means that the actors, but mostly the directors and producers are banking.
I can't see the show itself being more than simple entertainment, and it's even a stretch to call it that! It was sensational and poorly executed. What sucked the most was the portions of the last conversation between Elixia and Rick. WTF! Is nothing sacred?
Please, someone tell me they paid for the rights to that story!
I guess Tha Fambly had their turn with us, Stepped aside, and NBC took sloppy seconds. Who's next in line?
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Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 08:46
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Did anyone States side record it? I missed it and would like to see it.
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| | | | from Fish
Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 08:32
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Whats the name/number of the episode?
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| | | | from exister
Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 08:12
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Overall another excellent episode of Law and Order that will bring attention to many of the issues we care about.
Please bear in mind that this show always has to embellish stories a little to avoid too much similarity to the real stories and for entertainment value. I may be stating the obvious here, but I would be careful about presenting this show as a true account of our experiences. In particular the part about forcing kids to take drugs was basically an embellishment, unless any of you know otherwise. If that is the case than please advise.
I definitely let out a whoop at the guilty verdict. I like Law and Order, but felt like this one was made just for us.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | from moon beam
Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 05:57
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This is fantastic! Could some one post the name of the episode-plus the series no. Most of the time American series don't get to the UK for a year or so after airing in US-does anyone know if this is true for this show? Can't wait to see it.
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| from torrent
Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 05:51
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And those who are familiar with bittorrent can of course download it here.
http://www.btefnet.net/gettorrent/law.and.order.1519.hdtv-lol.%5BBT%5D.torrent
* disclaimer * - you may not download this unless you are authorized to do so by the copyright holder.
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Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 05:19
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The show was really well done. It's only a shame that the evidence used in the show to convict zerby... I mean shelby, does not relate to us at all.
Zerby will never run to meet her daughter in a cafe in New York. She would send some one else -if anyone at all. And am I the only one that thinks she could have afforded the two million dollar bail and then run away like a coward?
It was very interesting how in the end Shelby compared herself to Jesus, Mohammed and Buddha. I believe she actually thinks she is that devine.
We did not need drugs in order to get molested! The drug case was just tied into the show in order to implicate Shelby in her sons overdose.
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| | | | from Sonderval
Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 02:21
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Does anyone know how I could get a copy of this episode? I'd imagine it won't be aired in the UK for a fair while and I'd love to see it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | from xhrisl
Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 00:04
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A fiction not far removed from fact. Tonight’s Law & Order was exceptional! Despite the name changes and some liberties with the storyline (e.g. the notion that members would have to use drugs to engage in such deviant behavior) I thought the fictionalized version of events was put together well. It is just to bad that the resultant legal sanctions, which were imposed on the fictional cult leader, have as yet not been imposed on the real one. It is nonetheless comforting to see the news media have not dropped the ball on the issue, no doubt much to the chagrin of TF.
Opps, is that another two-week fasting and prayer session I see scheduled on the home calendar?
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| from Shaka
Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 23:17
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Wow. I just finshed watching this episode. It sent chills up my spine. It was Rick's story almost word for word with a few changes, the most notable being that he failed in his suicide attempt and was testifying against his mother. Another big difference was that the cult members gave drugs to their children before beating or raping them. We were never so lucky.
They talked about the Victor Camps, the Dito Book, and even this website (names all changed of course). They even showed how he only killed the nanny to get to his mother. One thing that was just freaky was when he said, "The hardest part of it was as she was dying, she didn't understand what she had done wrong." We can only hope that our story ends like this one did; with a conviction.
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| from Butterfly Kisses
Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 22:18
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I'm watching this Law & Order right now, & there are WAY to many things in common with The Famliy. There is no way that this is a coincidence!!
- M.Z
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | from omg
Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 20:09
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I just watched that Law and Order episode. It gave me the chills all over. That guilty verdict at the end felt so good. Why, oh why can’t justice be served in real life?
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|  From Samuel
Thursday, March 31, 2005, 14:04
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I agree. It would have been pretty nice if NBC, instead of concocting a story from a couple of true experiences, had spent a little money and hired a private detective or something. It would have been very nice to finally bring Karen and Steve to justice. It would have been a big news story, and NBC would have exclusivity over it. Didn't NBC fly some critics of TF to Argentina back in 1993 to bring on the raids? How much could a bounty hunter cost? If they had thought about it, they could have done some good and had a great story.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From about NBC
Thursday, March 31, 2005, 19:23
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But they interviewed the people who went to Argentina and testified in the case there and came out with a special on the case.
The final edit was modified at the last moment because they were afraid of TF's legal threats, I think. So the final tape that came out was very different from what they had originally put together. This did not happen this time around and media reporting has been more accurate.
I only wish someone would recover that special and re-run it again today, as it would be really interesting to watch it again. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | from The Italian Job
Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 14:42
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Strange things had been happening recently to Pappa and Mamma Bertand. It was ever since Diego, their 14 year old son had been staying out late. Being the good-hearted, unassuming farmers they were, they had accepted his explanation that he had been hired by old Santino, trimming his Olive trees and that he usually finished late and ended up having dinner over there. They didn't worry, what did they have to worry about? Life in the small mountain village near Perugia had always been peaceful, what mischief could a young boy get into in such a quiet neighbourhood?
It started when when Mauro, an acquaintance of Diego, came around to the house one day with a strange piece of paper for Pappa. On it was a rough portrait of Pappa, a cartoon bubble above it saying that whoever presented him with this "document" would be entitled to 10 euro from pappa himself. "Diego gave me this", explained Mauro, "he said you'd understand". Pappa was more baffled than Mauro, but it would be even more embarrassing if word got around of his son's behaviour, the villagers would tease him for months to come!
He masked his surprise and handed Mauro a 10 note, who thanked him and was off quickly. Pappa wasn't mad, 10 euro was but a small amount, he was baffled by this new way his son was behaving. Writing out credit notes? Drawing his portrait? Why didn't he just ask for money, wasn't his weekly allowance enough? His son came home late again that night, pappa was fast asleep, his job and land required him to wake up early in the morning, questions would have to wait til the weekend.
The next morning, the house had another unexpected visit. Pappa was away and only Mamma was at home, in the garden collecting greens and tomatoes for the midday meal. Along comes Pietro, the hefty carpenter. "Hello, ma'am", he said politely, " I hate to disturb you, but I've got this from your son", he announced matter-of-factly. Mamma, a curvaceous Italian housewife, and totally unassuming and friendly to everyone, took the paper Pietro handed her and read, slightly blushing after a few moments and looked up at Pietro. "Ohh, well, uhhh, I've never really done this before, I don't really know much about business, you know", "I hope I haven't put you in an embarrassing situation, but your son assured me not to worry, told me you'd understand". Diego! what could he be up to now? He's in school, so he must know a few things I don't about these kind of transactions, I wouldn't want any trouble for not obliging, it must be the right thing to do, I'll query Diego when he gets home. "Well, come in Pietro, do have seat, I'll be with you in a moment" she said rather timidly.
The bill, a small piece of neatly cut paper, on which was written: This paper entitles the bearer to sexual contact with my mother, for no longer than 1 hour. Signed, Diego Bertand
On the other side was a well-done outline of a woman's naked body, and under the drawing was written simply:
Mom.
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| | | | | | | | | | From Italian Job part 2
Thursday, March 31, 2005, 08:14
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Everywhere? how me some other posts of mine, that perhaps I forgot about??
back to the story:
Mamma let Pietro in and quickly finished off her business with him, while attempting to exchange friendly conversation the whole time. She even offered him a post-sales cleanup serivce, which he eagerly accepted. "Oh, well", she thought, "that wasn't too bad, at least it breaks the boredom of housework", and returned to preparing the midday meal.
At lunch, Mamma was relived that the conversation lingered around the previous encounter that Pappa had had. "Diego, what's this business of writing these IOU papers, don't you have enough money?"
"Oh, dad, yes I do, but I just happened to have a temporary cash flow problem, you know business economy, fluctuating exchange rates, but it won't happen again" Diego ranted on, his parents had only gone through 5th grade education, Diego was in 8th grade, soon to go on to high school, and was generally considered an intellectual in town. He knew how to wrap his parents around his little finger by using big, important sounding words from his school textbooks. The incompetent government-appointed village doctor knew this principle well, and would impress patients with big words while handing them aspirin pills.
"Oh, well son, I do hope you have good judgement"
"Of course Pappa, I'm careful"
Behind the business economics bullshit, what Diego really had been doing was digging into the Acid supply of Santino's grandson, Melo. Farm work and school was work, for entertainment, most of the villagers would hang out at the ARCI social club, it was a bar and coffee house with bocco alleys and two large rooms at the back with tables and chairs for card games and newspaper consultation. Diego had first exchanged words with Melo there, Melo was already in 13th grade and had friends in Florence, so he was the cosmopolitan reference of the town youngsters. Melo was a prankster, and had spiked Diego's Coca Cola once with a super hoffman, then had invited Diego over to his place, as he needed help slaughtering some chickens. To Melo's surprise, Diego loved the trip, and had even more fun killing and plucking chickens while on acid. It was the start of a friendship.
Since there really wasn't much else to do in town in the long spring nights, fueled by acid and wine, the two boys found them selves one Wednesday night playing poker at the ARCI club. Neither of them were good card players, and lost quickly, then Melo, with a flash of divine inspiration, decided it would ba good idea to write IOU cards, and let their parents get baffled by such antics. Diego thought it was a fantastic idea, and got into making elaborate IOU cards, Melo had just as much fun convincing the simple villagers that such cards would indeed be worth cash the next day.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | from Lance
Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 12:30
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This is typical of the show. Their stories are inspired by real event taken from media sources.
I was actually thinking of sending a few writers with NBC some information about Ricky with the hopes that they could make something out of it. Glad to see that I don't have to.
Maybe the guys in the fictional cult will get the justice that we haven't seen in the real world.
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| | | | From Lance
Thursday, March 31, 2005, 11:34
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Do you speak for Elixia? I certainly don't think so!
And the idea of gaining financially from something like this is a characteristic of a heartless family member, not of a concerned individual who wants to raise awareness of the destructive nature of cults.
Ultimately the family hates publicity because most people can make up their own mind and come to the conclusion that we all understand perfectly well. So in that sense ANY PUBLICITY IS GOOD PUBLICITY!! (reply to this comment) |
| | From xolox
Thursday, March 31, 2005, 13:09
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Dude I never claimed to speak for her.
By your reasoning, the whole crew at NBC must have chracteristics of Fambly members, because the're the only ones gaining finacially from this.
Your entire post is permeated with your cheap attempt at calling me a Fambly member, or equating me with one. If I gave a rats ass what you think I might take offence. I haven't, 'cause I don't.
I love that irreverent spelling (fambly), so you'll pardon me if your a spelling freak, but I think I'll be using it from now on.
I agree that publicity has it's place in a fight for awareness. But calling a Law and Order episode a piece of artillery in your cruzade, or even expecting it to help in any concrete way is just crazy. Or plain naive.
Unless they pay. Money does help. Money buys things like lawyers. NBC has obcene amounts of it, and probably made a lot more thanks to that show.
I don't understand why anyone would have a problem seeing Elixia get what would seem to be rightfully hers. So what if it was I who mentioned it? Does this mean I must personally know everyone on this site, AND be popular before I have an opinion?
And eek! Horror if someone happens to think that a bunch of people patting themselves on the back, and clapping hands in unison like trained seals in exchange for a treat, is a little ridiculous.
That show was blatanly sesationalist and self serving, and you're kidding yourself if you think it's going to help win your war. Unless they pay. Did I mention that?
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| | From Lance
Thursday, March 31, 2005, 14:04
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“ Dude I never claimed to speak for her.”
I never said you did. That is why I used a question mark(?).
“By your reasoning, the whole crew at NBC must have chracteristics of Fambly members, because the're the only ones gaining finacially from this.”
No, I don’t think they have characteristics of family members. Because the writers are in now way affiliated with the cult, their opinions are irrelevant. From what I know, writers on major networks receive a yearly salary so they are completely indifferent to making a whole lot of money off one episode.
“Your entire post is permeated with your cheap attempt at calling me a Fambly member, or equating me with one. If I gave a rats ass what you think I might take offence. I haven't, 'cause I don't.”
I said the idea of gaining from something like this is a characteristic of the family; whether it be to claim libel and slander, or to use it as an example of persecution. The family cares nothing for the lives lost, so if they could exploit them and receive something beneficial in return, they would certainly do so. I don’t see how you would take such a statement as an attack on you personally.
“I love that irreverent spelling (fambly), so you'll pardon me if your a spelling freak, but I think I'll be using it from now on.”
I picked up on your elegant distortion of the word. And it’s You’re not Your.
“I agree that publicity has it's place in a fight for awareness. But calling a Law and Order episode a piece of artillery in your cruzade, or even expecting it to help in any concrete way is just crazy. Or plain naive.”
I never called the episode “a piece of artillery”(notice the proper use of quotation marks) and I never said that I expected it to help in any concrete way. What I did say was that any publicity is good publicity.
“Unless they pay. Money does help. Money buys things like lawyers. NBC has obcene amounts of it, and probably made a lot more thanks to that show.”
I’m sorry, I became lost in your convoluted sentence structures. “Unless the pay” is an incomplete sentence, followed by the obvious “Money does help”.
And again, this show didn’t burst some imaginary dike of finances onto those evil gluttons at NBC. In spite the personal content of this program it is hardly the super bowl.
“I don't understand why anyone would have a problem seeing Elixia get what would seem to be rightfully hers. So what if it was I who mentioned it? Does this mean I must personally know everyone on this site, AND be popular before I have an opinion?”
I don’t think that anyone has a problem with Elixia getting what is rightfully hers. But that wasn’t the bases of your complaint when you started out, so don’t try to make it yours now.
Your original bashing was an NBC evil empire style tirade to which I will respond to by saying that life is in the public domain.
“And eek! Horror if someone happens to think that a bunch of people patting themselves on the back, and clapping hands in unison like trained seals in exchange for a treat, is a little ridiculous.”
That wasn’t the bases of your original comment either.
“That show was blatanly sesationalist and self serving, and you're kidding yourself if you think it's going to help win your war. Unless they pay. Did I mention that?”
Isn’t all form of entertainment merely sensationalism and self serving? Osar Wilde said that all art is useless. I tend to disagree but I’ll let you contemplate on that one for awhile.
“Or maybe you all plan on "Provisioning" good lawyers?”
I believe there are a few lawyers in our ranks already. (reply to this comment) |
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