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from Randi - Friday, February 15, 2008
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I'm looking for anyone who was in the Victor or MAP programmes in Bangkok, in particular at the TC. Anyone who lived in Bangkok during that time period, who saw, experienced and survived that nightmare...

I would like to hear from you. Even if you were just around and knew it was happening to your friends, children etc... Please reply here.

I am also interested to hear if any of you received an apology or has recently spoken to any of those leaders... in particular Silas (Steven), Cephas, Joan and also Tiago...

I would like to hear from you. I would like to hear how you are doing today.. How you all have managed to pull your lives together etc. I hope you all know and remember that you (us) were good people, wonderful children, who never deserved to be mistreated or abused like that. For those of us who have managed to survive and thrive inspite of all that happened... we are amazingly strong individuals. Nothing should stop us!!.. Please reply:::

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from Randi
Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 07:17

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Hey guys,

Some have had difficulty reaching me. As I explained to an old friend... My e mail address was fake.. I guess I was so worried about some "normal" person discovering my identity. AY...stupid me. I have changed it since... so please write me.


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from electric
Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 15:10

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Randi, send me an email, we were in the MAP programme together.. would love to hear from you.
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from groder2003
Friday, February 22, 2008 - 14:35

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I was in Thailand from 1984-1989 When Tiago first came through Thailand visiting the homes. At first he seemed sincerely interested in us (Teens and preteens) and our issues and I kinda liked the guy for that. After I got invited to the "the School" I totally lost all confidence in the guy he seemed more interested in fulfilling his own agenda then in doing what was the right thing for us which I thought was why he was sent there in the first place. I never had much direct contact with the other leadership there and I was I think the first to leave the school mainly because the whole thing did not make much sense to me for the life of me I did not and still do not have a clue what it was they wanted from me. I still remember the confrontation with all my peers Tiago presiding of course where they took turns "confronting me" it was all negative everyone so that made it obvious to me that this was a staged thing nothing real about it . I basically told them all to fuck off and then that was it for me and the family.
I now a loving wife a beautiful daughter a successful business and freedom from bullshit mindfucks and head trippers. it took along time to get over the freakness of the family and their strange ways but I think I can honestly say that I am the stronger man for it and encourage you all to fight for your dreams and the freedom to choose your own way of life. TRUTH IS LIKE A DIAMOND IT HAS MANY FACETS AND NO ONE MAN LOOKING AT HIS FACET HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT HE HAS FOUND THE ONLY WAY THE ONLY TRUTH AND THE ONLY LIFE. Good Luck to you all Jozef (son of Dutch Ben and Miriam one of the first kids born into the Family)
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From Randi
Saturday, February 23, 2008, 01:16

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Hi.. Glad people are starting to write here..

Well I don't know you personally, but I did live with some of your brothers and sisters. I heard about that incident.. But you can be glad you got out when you did.... I went through public humiliation and confrontations like that myself... hosted my Tiago as well. I think he was very sadistic. He almost enjoyed humiliating us. Anyway.. It was amazingly strong of you to draw the line... to say no... and leave. I would also give some credit to your parents, well your dad. He did help you get out didn't he? Some of us had reasonable parents, some not. It's amazing that you managed to sustain that much intelligence and rationality... considering the time and place. Most people would have submitted and crumbled under the pressure. Anyway, good for you that you got out when you did.... those of us who stayed or came later, sustained some lethal wounds.

Im doing well though. Working hard, studying, doing all I can to live my own life to the full. I'm a mother of two amazing boys.. I often find myself looking at them sleeping peacefully in their beds.. feeling happy that they will not live through what we did. I do all I can to break the negative cycles from my past... to educate myself... I do my best to remain focused on my future...but the past still haunts me.

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From groder2003
Monday, February 25, 2008, 14:24

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How can you give somthing to sombody when you dont have a clue what they want from you. Tiago was and probably is a messed up person and he has to live with what he has done for the rest of hes life fuck em all let god sort em out(reply to this comment
From Randi
Wednesday, March 05, 2008, 07:33

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If they were trying to give something, I might aggree... they were taking... steeling our innocence and our childhoods. Tiago was scared of me and of you probably... He was scared of the few he couldnt break... (reply to this comment

From Jailbird
Friday, February 22, 2008, 17:47

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I remember you Joe.

Good for you for having the guts to stand up and leave, you didn't miss anything, it took me years to get out, wish I had left when you did.

I remember the "confrontation," we were all put under pressure to come up with something to say and if we didn't say anything we were "disloyal, etc. ..." I'm sorry for what I said.

Glad you're doing well.

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From groder2003
Monday, February 25, 2008, 14:19

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Forget about it it was along time ago and I sensed it was all abit of a set up anyways. Who are you ???
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from Randi
Friday, February 22, 2008 - 07:51

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Come on guys... say something....
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From Bogus
Friday, February 22, 2008, 13:03

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It was bogus, what else is there to say?(reply to this comment
From Randi
Friday, February 22, 2008, 13:26

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What was bogus?

There's lots to say.. were you there? If so, how are you doing now. Are you ok? Happy, doing well etc? Do you feel damaged, angry, stronger, wiser, a bit of it all? Just want to hear from some of the people I went through that with. (reply to this comment

from 1989-2005 Escapee from ASS CRO(S)
Monday, February 18, 2008 - 22:59

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Was there between 1989-2005, first off Soi Seree, then Samut Prakan, and other questionable locations.
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from Former Samut Prakanite
Monday, February 18, 2008 - 22:24

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What are you interested in particular? Steven is still whoring it up in Thailand, Joan is still in the Middle East dictating messages, and Tiago is in WS still making useless family educational materials.
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From Randi
Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 05:50

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Well not sure I really care too much about what they are up to.. Though I'm sure not too much has changed... ( I always thought that they were small characters who needed to step over others and exhert their idea of power over others to feel in control... though at the end of the day, they were just little pawns of a cult..) I mostly just want to hear from some of those who were at the TC.. The victor camps, and other such "concentration camp" style programmes etc etc. I would like to hear how you managed to get through it, what kept you going, how you managed to forget...or get over it etc. I think it's odd that some of us in Thailand, went through an amazing ordeal...together... survived, well most of us I hope... and yet we've made no initiative to contact each other...(Or maybe it's just me) pat each other on the back type thing... Other groups of people who have survived far less do.... Why is it that we don't? (Im talking specifically to those of us who survived Ascro)... (reply to this comment
From Jailbird
Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 21:50

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We should have an ASCRO, survivor get togeter.

Many ex-members survived and many are doing well. Some haven't. Remember Sam who married Gary's daughter Faithy? He passed away a few years ago.

All ex-members survived. But Thailand was a special type of mind-fuck, I'm sure others from other areas feel similarly. I still have nightmares.

We probably know eachother, I was at the TC for years. Send me a note thru this site.

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From conan
Friday, February 22, 2008, 18:45

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Actually, he committed suicide too. Another name to add to the list for the memorial day being hosted by Safe Passage and RISE. I don't know his legal name, only 'Sam'. If you, or anyone else for that matter, knows his legal name, please do pass it on via the appropriate channels.

http://movingon.org/article.asp?sID=6&Cat=23&ID=4439(reply to this comment
From Randi
Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 08:26

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I sent you an e mail.. I guess we probably do know each other. I dont know if a get together would ever happen.. but Im totally interested to hear from everyone. Most of us must be so different by now...I hope anyway.!!!

I think ASCRO was quite intense compaired to some other areas...I can comprehend the control factor... but the measures they used were insane!! I used to have nightmares too.... of bending over and getting paddled...even dreams with just that feeling of fear and uncertainty were bad enough. Now.... I mostly laugh when I think of what idiots they were..They used to try to make us feel stupid and small while beating us into submission... they were retarded... Yet they felt so powerful and special... Amazing. They are getting away with it though... but I wonder if they too have nightmares... I wonder if they've come to their senses in realizing they were wrong... but are just too small to say they're sorry. I personally would like an apology from Steven, Cephas, Joan, Tiago... and all those leaders that had anything to do with hurting me or those I knew....Did you get one?

Glad to hear most are doing well.. I guess what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. (reply to this comment

From Jailbird
Friday, February 22, 2008, 10:16

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I think we do know one another.

There were two young women I remember with that name.

Glad you're doing well with work and study.

Take care.(reply to this comment

From rainy
Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 00:25

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And Cephas is still a CRO in India. Or was when I was there 7-8 years ago.(reply to this comment
From Randi
Saturday, February 23, 2008, 01:28

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Cephas is still a cro? Hmm, Not good. He was an odd fellow. I always had this feeling that he was a misfit in the cult. He was one of the bad ones yes... but he didn't belong. He was trying way to hard...Either that, or he was just crazy.(reply to this comment

From rainy
Saturday, February 23, 2008, 02:14

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When he moved to India from Thailand everyone was very excited and deferential towards him, and all the ladies were in love with him. They were all hoping to have dates with him. Okay,I just succeeded in grossing myself out. That's my friend's dad. I think I'll go barf now...(reply to this comment
From Randi
Saturday, February 23, 2008, 04:36

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Your friend's dad? Is that Kannika? Well her step dad. Well he had some class I think. A little scary wannabe. Trying to be a little intimidating. I thought he was a little lost.. so tried to compensate by trying to be mister tough... So funny. I think he would have been a fine man, had he not gotten sucked into a cult. Seemed like someone who had a cultural, good but strict upbringing... Whatever
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