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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from electric
Friday, December 28, 2007 - 13:04
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Apparently he referred to Ricky quite a bit:
Mister Crowley......
Edited by: nghtmrchld26 at: 5/8/07 5:46 pm
UPDATE II:
Matthew appears to have posted at another site under a different name...Chrstnghtmr. The first posting below links to a video made by Ricky Rodriguez...a young man who subsequently committed a murder-suicide.
This first entry appears to expose his intentions more than many of the previous entries...which makes sense since this entry is dated December 9, 2007. This batch of entries are ordered from newest to oldest.
First Entry:
Thread: Ricky Rodriguez' experience of growing up in the Nightmare of Christianity...... (Healing) (Posted on: 09 Dec : 03:00)
This kid went through abuse in christianity just like me and my friends.....he was even intended to be their next "prophet"...just my church said to me.......that I was going to be a "prophet to the nations" for their christianity
We'll have to see how accurate their prophecy really is
Watch the video he made:
Editor's Warning: The video is lengthy and disturbing.
http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Ricky_Rodriguez_video
Sure, many christians will say "oh, that's just a cult" as if the pentecostalis/Bill Gothard/Charismatic crap I was raised in wasn't?
Ricky's words:
“I used to think a lot about suicide. It's, it actually, believe it or not, it should have started a long time ago. It should have started when I was fuckin' born actually, but, to tell you the truth, it didn't really start in earnest until the infamous Teen Training happened.”
I had it good in many ways. I didn't get fucked in the @#$%, it's like all hell broke loose—we're just never the same.
So now this is interesting because, um, I don't think most fam- other Family kids- can relate to this, because yeah, they were abused. But one thing I don't think they were that much is secluded. And that really can !@#$% you over, because if you don't have that, um, mirror, if you will, of other kids your own age, um, even kids older than you, you know, older siblings, whatever, friends, then uh, it really fucks ya up.
And I was reading, ah, reading an article about how there were, how some people say, it was one of those conspiracy things. Ah, ah, I can believe it- that it's possible. And who knows? Anyway, they were saying how they were doing experiments on prisoners in the States- in the States- for the last, you know, for the last 40 years or something. Um, about that, trying to see how they can break 'em, and then translate those findings into the general populace. Ah, modified of course. I don't know if it's true or not. It was interesting reading anyway. But that's what happened to me- not having that mirror of other people to hold up- and, you know, see how I would relate to them, you know those formative years, if you're only around fuckin' perverts, these people are fucked in the head and try to !@#$% you over. Wow, I didn't even have fuckin' TV for god's sake.
“Anyway, ah, so I always figured that, and I always still think about suicide, and I try to push it away. I'm successful for awhile, but it'd always come back. Started coming back more frequently, those thoughts, and uh, and I just, I just wanted it to end. That was my hope. And that was also my fear- that when I died I would just want to flatline and nothing else, cuz, I would not wanna have to go through in another dimension what I'm going through here, and what I had been through.
Now I'm not so sure about that. I don't really know what to think, but I think there's enough evidence, if you will, ah, to at least, uh, to at least make one stop and consider that we may not believe in God, but I don't, at least certainly not the Christian fucked-up God who's a big fuckin' dick that he wants to stick up everybody's !@#$%. But, but I don't know. I'm starting to think that life goes on- and that fucking scares me. That really does scare me more than anything because, cuz, I don't know, I don't want it to go on. I want it to just be over.
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| | | | from MariaKL
Friday, December 14, 2007 - 13:24
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The front page of the Denver Post qoutes what he had written about Ricky as well....there is also a few lines in there about him.
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| from steam
Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 10:17
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What do you want to bet The Family is thrilled with this situation? I can imagine it gave "King Peter" a real hard on to have an opportunity to be able to say "see some people just go bad, we are like any other Christians". In fact there is some truth to there being a few similarities in the way this kid seems to have been raised. So isolated and surrounded by a world his parents created. With an strong us vs them end time theme. He doesn't seem to have ever made an accusation of sexual abuse however, and the level of control over his life was very different. He also did something far worse IMO because he went after complete random strangers rather than one of his own abusers (although he knew his victims were likely to be committed to the ideology he rejected). Anyway all that to say the cult is almost certainly thrilled with this possibility that any Christian groups that feel under attack when questions are raised about the gunman's upbringing will likely give The Family far greater leeway than they once did as far as their own culpability with Ricky.
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|  From not sure
Thursday, December 13, 2007, 10:54
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I am sure the cult is thrilled with the new line they'll crertainly try as you predict, but I would think the "other Christian groups" will be highly insulted at the comparison if they know the cult's practices and beliefs. They will likely want to say it's apples & oranges as far as the treatment of children.
Now, when it comes to banding together against the bogeyman of "secularism" they may be a little less eager to distance themselves from the cult. This is a bandwagon many evangelicals are clinging to dearly, as evidenced by Mitt Romney's tactic to win over those who do not consider him a Christian since he's Mormon. I am afraid that the ultrareligious are so afraid of secularism that they will accept strange bedfellows. It's odd though, as those who are so intense about it are usually not very fond of other intensely held faiths, but these days they seem to be so scared of not maintaining control that they have decided they are willing to share control.
As columnist David Brooks pointed out, Mitt Romney in his big religion speech
"insisted that the faithful should stick stubbornly to their religions, as he himself sticks to the faith of his fathers. He insisted that God-talk should remain a vibrant force in the public square and that judges should be guided by the foundations of their faith. He lamented the faithlessness of Europe and linked the pro-life movement to abolition and civil rights, just as evangelicals do.
It is not always easy to blend an argument for religious liberty with an argument for religious assertiveness, but Romney did it well. [...]
When this country was founded, James Madison envisioned a noisy public square with different religious denominations arguing, competing and balancing each other’s passions. But now the landscape of religious life has changed. Now its most prominent feature is the supposed war between the faithful and the faithless. Mitt Romney didn’t start this war, but speeches like his both exploit and solidify this divide in people’s minds. The supposed war between the faithful and the faithless has exacted casualties.
The first casualty is the national community. Romney described a community yesterday. Observant Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Jews and Muslims are inside that community. The nonobservant are not. There was not even a perfunctory sentence showing respect for the nonreligious. I’m assuming that Romney left that out in order to generate howls of outrage in the liberal press.
The second casualty of the faith war is theology itself. In rallying the armies of faith against their supposed enemies, Romney waved away any theological distinctions among them with the brush of his hand. In this calculus, the faithful become a tribe, marked by ethnic pride, a shared sense of victimization and all the other markers of identity politics.
In Romney’s account, faith ends up as wishy-washy as the most New Age-y secularism. In arguing that the faithful are brothers in a common struggle, Romney insisted that all religions share an equal devotion to all good things. Really? Then why not choose the one with the prettiest buildings?
In order to build a voting majority of the faithful, Romney covered over different and difficult conceptions of the Almighty. When he spoke of God yesterday, he spoke of a bland, smiley-faced God who is the author of liberty and the founder of freedom. There was no hint of Lincoln’s God or Reinhold Niebuhr’s God or the religion most people know — the religion that imposes restraints upon on the passions, appetites and sinfulness of human beings. He wants God in the public square, but then insists that theological differences are anodyne and politically irrelevant.
Romney’s job yesterday was to unite social conservatives behind him. If he succeeded, he did it in two ways. He asked people to rally around the best traditions of America’s civic religion. He also asked people to submerge their religious convictions for the sake of solidarity in a culture war without end."
Well, there's always Europe if we need to be reverse pilgrims in order to maintain freedom of conscience.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Challenging "Prof." James Chancellor
Friday, December 28, 2007, 21:04
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What have ye to say to this? Pray tell.
"The second casualty of the faith war is theology itself. In rallying the armies of faith against their supposed enemies, Romney waved away any theological distinctions among them with the brush of his hand. In this calculus, the faithful become a tribe, marked by ethnic pride, a shared sense of victimization and all the other markers of identity politics.
In Romney’s account, faith ends up as wishy-washy as the most New Age-y secularism. In arguing that the faithful are brothers in a common struggle, Romney insisted that all religions share an equal devotion to all good things. Really? Then why not choose the one with the prettiest buildings?"
[SOUNDS LIKE YOUR LATEST BOOKS ON CULTS, NO, MISTER PROFESSoR??]
"In order to build a voting majority of the faithful, Romney covered over different and difficult conceptions of the Almighty. When he spoke of God yesterday, he spoke of a bland, smiley-faced God who is the author of liberty and the founder of freedom. There was no hint of Lincoln’s God or Reinhold Niebuhr’s God or the religion most people know — the religion that imposes restraints upon on the passions, appetites and sinfulness of human beings. He wants God in the public square, but then insists that theological differences are anodyne and politically irrelevant.
Romney’s job yesterday was to unite social conservatives behind him. If he succeeded, he did it in two ways. He asked people to rally around the best traditions of America’s civic religion. He also asked people to submerge their religious convictions for the sake of solidarity in a culture war without end."
Nor, indeed, Mr. James Chancellor, did Mr. Romney address a whoremongering child-sex-abusing Jesus. Which, however, you sir Professor were so eager to propound in lieu of secularism.
How far, Mr. James Chancellor, associate professor of Christian Missions and World Religions at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky, listed as an expert on The Family International,will you promote paedophiles, in opposition to a perhaps secular (the horror, my dear religious sir!! But maybe Mr. Romney's heresy is more offensive to the Baptist bully (I mean TEACHING, of course) pulpit than child rape??) opposition to child sex abuse, child slavery (in the 21st century, mind you, very religious sir)?(reply to this comment) |
| | from Poignant poetry
Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 09:36
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While what he did was terrible, it's interesting to note many similarities which come through strikingly in his poetry.
You and me we have no faces
Soon our lives will be erased
Do you think they will remember?
Or will we just be replaced
Oh I wish that I could see
How I wish that I could fly
From these things that hang above me
To a place where I can cry
You and me, we are all alone in this
They don’t see us anymore
Without love as they had promised
And no faith for what’s in store
Oh how I wish that I could see
How I wish that I could fly
From these things that hang above me
to a place where I can cry
Where are all these feelings hiding?
Dancing in and out my mind
Burning up all that I long for
Feeding me till my decline
Where are you? My soul is bleeding……
..I am searching, am I blind?
All alone and bound forever
Trapped inside me for all time
So what can it be?
No one hears me call
Echoes back at me…..
No one’s there…..
To all these nameless feelings
I can’t deal with in my life
To all these greedy people
Trying to feed on what is mine
You’ve got to fill your hunger
And stop f***ing with my mind
I know it’s time to leave these places far behind………….
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Mother please forgive me
All these bad things that I say and do
I just have to get out all my pain and suffering
Now that I am done, remember I will always “love”(and hate) you
I’m your son…………
“Little child, looking so pretty
Come out and play, I’ll be your daddy
Come child, I’ll bless you with God’s anointing
Come child, the holy spirit’s waiting….
Innocent child, looking so sweet
A rape in my eyes and on your flesh I’ll eat”
“It’s alright I didn’t touch you there
Mama said she didn’t care
God says it’s OK
Jesus says to obey
You’re lying, I didn’t touch you there
That’s why mama stopped and stared”…….
You raped!
I feel dirty
It hurt!
As a child
Tied down!
“That’s a good boy”
And f***ed!
Your own child
I scream!
No one hears me…
It hurt!
I’m not a liar
You’ve lied!
Now I wanna die…
You abused!
I won’t be silent
You’re a bastard
I’m not guilty…
Good God!
Trancing out and crying
My God!
Saw you watching….
Mommy why?!
Your own child…..
__
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| | | | | | | | | | from Jaded
Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 08:28
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compiled postings from Murray (CO shooter)
http://allspinzone.com/wp/2007/12/11/matthew-murray-nghtmrchld26in-his-own-words/
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| from steam
Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 07:02
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I didn't find the reference to Ricky.
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