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from Sydney - Friday, March 31, 2006
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Hi fellow victims, exers and snoopy paranoid family members who know I'm on to them (yes, you too we all know you read up on this site.) All of you who may be reading this.

I just wanted to share some of the family here in Australia's acts of the "Law of love" with you and abuse that has been covered up by family leadership here in Australia.

I will be regularly updating this section as I sift thru all the abuse stories I have been sent from ex-members here in Australia and friends stories.

I just want to share some more sordid stuff that those Hartingdon boys and friends used to get up to.

Some time back this young girl came to visit Paul and Joy’s home in Baulkham Hills. A friend of the Hartingdon boys, Z., latched onto her and wanted to get it on with her and she agreed if he used a condom.

He agreed to the conditions but then didn’t use a condom and then forced her to have anal sex. Z. (of Sunny and Christie) and Stephen Hartingdon cooked up an idea of how to get another girl in the home to “minister to their needs” yeah right! They blackmailed and taunted her to break the Charter so that they could get her to give them sex. Z. got the plan going by trying to have sex with her & then they both taunted & harassed her with a number of vile and sexually explicit and pornographic SMS messages.

When S. mother got involved Paul & Joy Hartingdon then protested to the leadership in India where S.’s mum’s husband is a CRO to try to ensure that the reputation of their family wasn’t tarnished and that an alternative story was immediately established. A leadership whitewash!

As rape is all about coercion and violation of will, what happened to S. especially and this other girl was rape or at least tantamount to it.
S. who was already having emotional problems was almost driven mad by that family.

Paul (Stuart) and Joy (Beverly) both knew this girl was easy bait for their boys and they did nothing about it. Shame on them!
If that’s the "Law of Love" and Love of God then God help us all!!!

At some time earlier in the picture, Stephen (19 at the time) was having sex with this 14 year old girl named Isis - A criminal offence! It seems that his Mum and Dad had moved him back in as a new disciple so that he could tune in his spiritual vagina and hone his sexual skills as he didn’t waste any time. His parents have no regard for young women in the family. In reality, girls in the family are there just to satisfy boys and many family men have a really unhealthy attitude of the value of a woman. Give me a system man any day. They take you out to dinner (not provisioned food) and at least give you flowers. Most family boys just want to f__k and dump.

Paul and Joy always try to ensue that there are plenty of girls in their "family home" to satisfy their sons sexual appetites

If anyone is looking for Paul & Joy here's their legal names, address and phone numbers:

Stuart and Beverly Hartingdon 10 Englart Ave Baulkham Hills NSW AUSTRALIA. Phone: +61 2 96887333 or 61 2 96887077.

Here is a link to a photo for all their victims:

Here is their fake charity website:

Here is their email address:


I just want to clear something up that I believe has been misinterpreted. If you read my original article "properly", I have not said anything that would indicate that S’s mum was anything but supportive of her. From what I heard she was "told" by leadership “to pull her head in” and that’s what I meant by “a leadership whitewash” If you read my article carefully, it’s pretty clear.

The family here in Australia has avoided prosecution through carefully orchestrated moves. The 1992 court case was a scam and clearly involved, lying, cover-up, fraud and deception. Adult and child family members were coached with carefully worded scripts supplied by WS that each group were told to rehearse each day. Most adults at the ground level knew very little about the “big picture” of what was going on in the family in Australia. Their information was limited and sanitised to what was going on in their own home. Discussion was "outlawed" and non-adherence to the official story was branded as heresy and traitorous.

Though many adults had seen abuse worthy of prosecution, they had been "programmed" through family indoctrination to believe that it was normal and part of family culture.

The victor camps held in Australia were a prime example of abuse and following the same torturous style as those held in other parts of the world and if you are interested are similar to diabolical and draconian methods used by Chairman Mao Tse Tung in his quest for cultural purity.
Have a read at the shit that he pulled off. I know that sounds dramatic but let us be honest and call a spade a spade.
I will be doing a posting very soon that shows plagiarism and rip-off concepts by David Berg from that of Chairman Mao Tse Tung works and ideas for his party.

Paul and Joy Hardingdong were in charge of the reindoctrination process and worked vigorously to cover their collective leadership arses by ensuring that all of their “sheep” were well scripted and rehearsed.
As you may understand, leadership worldwide realised that their abusive control was coming unravelled.
They have become like the warden in the prison film “The Shawshank Redemption.”
Andy Dufresne accurately personifies many SGA’s. Eventually escaping and achieving justice.
He had to crawl through a half a mile of shit to be free…sounds familiar?
The funny thing about that film is that it is similar to what we have all been through. The tagline according to one review is, “Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free”. I believe we can all relate to that.

I am “disappointed” by the amount of SGA’s who know of or have witnesses abuse yet refuse to speak up.
Frankly, I find that heartbreaking, we have escaped from an abusive background only to have our speech censored once again by fear.
Since people refuse to speak out, crimes go unnoticed and unpunished.
It seems that too many people are afraid of speaking out because abusive may have involved other people they know or they only “witnessed” the abuse rather then experienced it first hand.
I refuse to apologies for speaking the truth about abuse in Australia no matter how offensive it may.
I am very happy for all of you who have been able to move-on and become fulfilled with your new lives (more power to you guys & girls).

The perpetrators though should they be allowed to get on with their lives without being publicly shamed for the abuse they have inflicted?
Is it right that other young woman to go un-warned of these perpetrators past, What about those left behind?

Fair enough, some of us are not ready to tell our stories or will never be.
But for those of us who feel it is right to not let crimes against an entire generation go unnoticed, it’s a shame many of you make it hard for others to do so.
But hey we've been taught by the best right when it comes to overlooking abuse and sweeping it under the carpet?
Nice and tidy, lets all pretend that nothing ever happened shall we.

Since I can remember Australia has been "praised” as one of the few countries that escaped these sorts of incidents because people have been afraid to talk about it.
It is harder to come forward with knowledge of abuse because of the smaller community and less chance of anonymity for yourself in doing so.
It is a shame though as it has created a haven where Australian abusers believe that they can get away with anything. Using scare tactics and fear, combined with the fear of finding yourself alienated and publicly slandered “in the family” It is hard to speak out against your former peers and Leaders.

The Australian “family” here feel safe in the fact that they have already “proven” they aren’t child abusers.
The court cases, the media, the suing of the government the lack of “credible” exers/apostates speaking up against them are a few of the many contributing factors.
Mainly though because of the lack of young Ex-members members who were born in the 80’s, members who because they “the family” supposedly stopped all child abuse back in 86, did not experience any abuse.
It’s easy for them to say, that their apostates are “old and bitter” and bringing up very old dirty laundry that hasn’t been in practise “allegedly” for over two decades.
Well sorry but that’s just a LOAD of CRAP!
I’m twenty and I have Siblings and friends who are between the ages of fifteen and twenty two, who have all experienced abuse after 1986.
I myself have seen and experienced abuse; it is impossible I’m making it up and that the abuse was a “thing of the past discarded in the mid 80’s.”
WAKE-UP I was born in the mid 80’s!

The implementation of the charter and the judgement of Lord Justice Ward clearly indicated that all was not right in the family and Australia was far from being an exception. The family’s lead solicitor in the Australian case, Christopher Murphy, publicly stated at the time that he would drop the case if he ever uncovered anything that closely resembled abuse. If only he knew the truth!

This is not just about sexual abuse; it is about lack of free will, freedom, basic human rights, Bodily harm, psychological abuse, brainwashing, public humiliation and lack of proper care.

All these things have left us scarred and I am deeply affected by the ramifications caused by years of neglect that has taken it’s toll on many of us who have left.

We are afraid to speak up…afraid of the vulnerability of people seeing our pain, our secrets, that If we do so it will result in shame and public humiliation.
It’s hard as many of us are so desperately trying to make up for lost time, trying to find our places in the world.
We just want to fit in.

A Lack of Backbone and being afraid has been why I haven’t spoken up for the four previous years before this one.
I only wish I had of had the guts to say something earlier.
I have felt in many ways I have moved on, as it is only now I can look back at the past I have blocked out for four years.
I now believe only after I’ve eradicated this cult from existence and see people who belong in jail behind bars…Or at least done all I can to see this through, only then will I truly ever be able to MOVEON

My reason for revealing this situation was “reinforced” by the effect that the abusive behaviour had on the victims and those around them that had to deal with the situation.
I stated in my article that what occurred was “rape or tantamount to it”. Retractions may be made by victims and one has clarified that it was not rape “only now” but I will make it clear that the dictionary meaning of “tantamount to” means “being almost the same or having the same effect as, usually something bad”. Whether it was rape or not, no girl deserves to be "abused", labelled a slut and driven to the verge of mental breakdown or suicide.

My apologies to those who expect 100% accuracy and perfection, I strive for it in my writing but unlike you negative critics I don’t always get everything right. I try to but if I have fallen short of your expectations, please once again accept my humble apologies. There are always casualties in the pursuit of truth.

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from cheeks
Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 11:41

I hope you did not post that young lady's real name. The name everyone knows her by. I am quite sure she does not want her name posted here where everyone can read what she may or may not had to deal with.
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From rainy
Tuesday, January 22, 2008, 17:12

Cheeks, the article you see today is mercifully nothing like the train-wreck of immature gossip it originally was. Yes, all full names of victims and everyone else. I'm very happy it's been cleaned up (re-written even) but the comments do still hold the people's names in part. I think it's best to stop commenting on this one.(reply to this comment
from Fish
Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 06:09

Is it just me, or is there no one on this site anymore besides Andy H, Rain, and myself?
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From AndyH
Wednesday, June 21, 2006, 16:23


Is it just me, or is it not a good idea to keep commenting under this article and keeping it alive? Yes, I appreciate the Irony of this comment.(reply to this comment

From Haunted
Wednesday, June 21, 2006, 06:24

What? I'm here!(reply to this comment
from Fish
Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 06:09

Is it just me, or is there no one on this site anymore besides Andy H, Rain, and myself?
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From Jesus Crust
Wednesday, June 21, 2006, 08:44


Behold, my child, I am always with thee yea even unto the end of the earth. But if thou doth wish people to post comments thou must spend the rest of the day in sacloth and ashes listening to The Smiths. Then, when the clock doth strike 8:00, post thee an interesting article and behold they shall come from whence they lurk with their comments.

The Smiths Rock! (Thus sayeth the lord thy god) (reply to this comment

from Aussie too
Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 04:53


What Victor Camps?

I never heard of any victor camps in Australia.
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From lisa
Wednesday, June 21, 2006, 20:43

I was told a few times they where going to start a victor camp for me, and about 5 others of the 'baddies'(reply to this comment
from bluebay21
Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 10:06

I looked at the site again, and I think that is him based on a pic I've seen before, it is a bad picture, but you can tell! and he is over in the states now? GREAT!
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From Big Sister
Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 22:47

I think you can see Z. at Same mouth and same adam's apple. I don't understand who Z. is.
Was he raised in TF? If so, then how come the staff bio describing him as a "tennis professional" says he "he was successful in high school, regional, and state-wide tennis competition". How can someone be in TF and do all that? But if he was raised in TF, did those things in the article,...well let's just say I would never hire him to teach my daughter tennis. Do you think he is still some sort of TF member while being a tennis pro? Maybe he has left TF and gotten help for his problems?

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From Rain Child
Saturday, June 17, 2006, 15:28

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It was quite possible to be in The Family in Australia and still have that kind of opportunity if you were living with just your own family and your parents were supportive like his were. Their dad spent hours teaching his children tennis every single day, and he would have let them compete in tournaments and high-school competions, representing their home as a 'high school'. Please, guys, leave the guy alone. Don't go spoiling his new life by bringing up his past. As long as he hasn't actually molested any children, why do you have to drag his background into his new life?(reply to this comment
From a question
Saturday, June 17, 2006, 18:43

Do you think that state of affairs in Australia was helped along by the courts' order that the children have "socializing" activities outsied the group?(reply to this comment
From Rain Child
Saturday, June 17, 2006, 19:49

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Absolutely. After I posted the comment that these opportunities were not out of the question for Family children in Australia, I felt I should have added the qualifier, 'post-raids'. A lot changed then. Before that we didn't even know what suburb we lived in! Suddenly we were allowed to read classic novels, which had been a serious offence pre-raids. A lot changed for us. The raids were traumatic and scarey, especially for the youngest children, but the long-term effects were good. A lot of normalising and new freedoms began at that time, and really came into being with the implementation of the Charter three years later. The family we've been discussing only arrived in Australia after the raids.(reply to this comment
From I agree
Saturday, June 17, 2006, 15:37

and also I would suggest that the admin of this site edit out every instance where full names of those involved is mentioned in this article and here in the comments thread, as I believe it's highly unethical to discuss such matters on a public forum such as this without showing some respect for the individuals concerned. (reply to this comment
From bluebay21
Friday, June 16, 2006, 10:45


He was not a member of TF.....just a friend of one. I don't know if this is the same guy; I had read this article and done a search of Z. to see if I found any articles relating to this incident, and that tennis thing came up!? On the tennis site, he is "Z.", but I've known that to be short for Z.. I did not see his pic on the, so not sure to clarify if it indeed is the same Z.. If it is, he should NOT be teaching little girls...someone should call over to the states, or email that place to warn them! If he did it once, he'll do it again. (reply to this comment

From Big Sister
Saturday, June 17, 2006, 10:21

I am in California and I will contact the tennis club in a heartbeat. But I have to understand this better. The only accurate thing I can say is "this is what I have heard, you have to check it out for yourself." But in fact I can barely understand who did what in the article. Can someone explain it to me with only the information relating to Z. included.

Many schools and other teaching venues have insurance to cover costs of law suits against them or their staff for child endangerment. (I am not a lawyer, please note). The tennis club might want to investigate Mr. Z. to protect themselves.

A photo of Mr. Z. in his former life would be helpful. A second account (by a second observer/victim) of the incident told above would be helpful.(reply to this comment
From another suggestion
Saturday, June 17, 2006, 14:15


The article says "Z. (of Sunny and Christie)". This is usually how someone would refer to kids of people in the Family, because if they were "systemites," nobody would know the "Sunny and Christie" he was "of".

They could have left or been in a category of TF membership "lite" that allowed him to have had all those high-school successes. Then again, "high school" could be a TF-ism for a "teen home" (the first teen home in Peru was even called the high school).

What confuses me is, who is bluebay21 referring to when saying "He was not a member of TF.....just a friend of one." I think there might be some background that could be clarified by those with direct knowledge of the situation (such and Sydney and maybe bluebay21).(reply to this comment

From Rain Child
Saturday, June 17, 2006, 15:15


Okay, seeing as you guys are tying yourselves in knots over this I will sort you out, even though I hate to gossip about people.

Sion was a second generation family member. I knew him and lived with him. He was always good at tennis and is now making a new life for himself. As far as I know there are no actual incidents of child abuse that he was involved in, just his extremely poor conduct with the young lady mentioned above, (who I believe is in his own legal age range) and I do believe that both the young lady and this site were done a disservice by the publishing of this juicy 'news-of-the-world' styled article.(reply to this comment

From bluebay21
Tuesday, June 20, 2006, 07:55


thanks for clearing this up! it makes more sense now.

I understand he is moving on with his life in the U.S, but there is definitely confusion in the article above.....I think most of us just did not like hearing about what he had done and then to find out he is teaching ladies, girls and young children....ya know, you just worry someone who does something and gets away with it....maybe he'd do it again? that's why we all had the same reaction.....concern.

well, good for him if he's changed his life and moved on! I just pray for him it is for the better. thanks again for explaining Rain Child.(reply to this comment

From Big Sister
Saturday, June 17, 2006, 17:46

Ok, that's enough for me. If there's no police report of a possible illegal action or a bunch of real people ready to file charges, then that's the end of it. Thank you Rain Child for setting me straight! You answered the questions I was asking.

It really does happen that schools turn away a potential teacher because there are public records of guilty verdicts, jail time served, etc. But perpetrators, if they even get out of jail, get permanent records that follow them, like a red warning beacon, because somebody was willing to take them to court... willing to take the time, energy, publicity to take a sexual predator off the streets (and maybe get a little revenge).

This IS the goal, isn't it? Give the perps their day in court and pack the slimy bad guys off to prison for the rest of their lives. If you have the goods to deliver that-great! Othewise, fingerpointing is just a waste of time and emotional energy not to mention unethical.(reply to this comment
From Rain Child
Saturday, June 17, 2006, 18:09


I respect what you're doing Big Sister, and I do feel the same. Here in Australia it is impossible for people with even a report of child abuse ever having been filed against them, (whether it was proven or not) to ever get a job working with children in any capacity. That's because we have a double-check system in place which is not only a police check but also a check on Department of Community Services records. You have to have this check before you can teach tennis or anything else, or even host exchange students in your home.

I'm very thankful for this as I have a child of my own, and I feel quite safe with our system here the way it is. I understand the vigilance that is needed to protect our children.

My objection was simply to this particular story being posted as it was nothing more than gossip. There was a 'footy' mentality towards sex with the young Family boys during the period referred to, it was pretty disgusting. But I like to hope that they have grown out of it now. Almost none of them are still in The Family, and they're making their ways in the world. I wish them all the best, and hope they've grown in maturity and responsibility.(reply to this comment

from bluebay21
Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 09:35

go to and tell me if this is the same Z.! This is what came up when I did a search for his name on Google.
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from Rain Child
Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 04:48

This is much clearer and you have some very good and important issues you're bringing to light. Good luck with it, I wish you all the best.
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from I support you.
Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 04:14

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You are becoming more and more articulate! Go girl!
Remember that the Family have done exceptionally well when it comes to legal battles. That's why its good maintain your rage but make sure that everything you say will stand up. I suggest you get a mentor, and also a friend who knows the legal system. Naming people and antagonizing people may end up not helping what you are trying to do. So keep up the fight,but remember that everything you put into print or say will be used against you by those who you know have shown themselves to be unethical. Keep it up! Fight hard, but fight smart.
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From gaijin
Thursday, April 06, 2006, 05:22

I also meant to say that because the Family's victory in Australia is used by members all over the world, the truth coming out would be very significant in the fight for justice all over the world. (reply to this comment
from What about "I"?
Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 18:35

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Glad to see that S's name has been removed, and that the article has been changed from a schoolgirl's tantrum/bitch session to something that actually has merit and makes a good case. Just one more question: How about getting "I"'s name off here too? After all, if she's only fourteen, I think it's illegal to publish this kind of story about about a minor.
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from Not on my side
Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 00:12

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Sydney, once again you prove yourself to be a belligerent moron, whose tactless ranting degrades us all. Your unreasonable attitude makes you appear far crazier than the crazies you claim to be opposing. It seems that you may have some actual points to make. I so wish that you'll mature enough to express them in a manner that will entice people to believe you.

I guess what I'm saying is, if I didn't know better, I'd say you were full of shit. Fortunately I do know better.
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From Fish
Tuesday, April 04, 2006, 07:16

Hear hear.(reply to this comment
from Shal
Monday, April 03, 2006 - 04:00

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Steven was 21 when he did what he did with Isis, not 19... that's what makes it a criminal offense. Look, there has been alot of cover ups and crap and emotional hurt and consentual and unconsentual sex as well as rape and things that should not have happened. I myself was not raped! But these are all the reasons why you left, why are you letting it bother you now?
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Monday, April 03, 2006, 08:19

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Does this mean steven has apologised to Isis? (reply to this comment
From Shal
Tuesday, April 04, 2006, 02:20

That's a question for Isis - Isis is not a full family member and wasn't at the time.(reply to this comment
from Shal
Monday, April 03, 2006 - 03:51

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Hello.... no, I do not appreciate you using my name to carry on with your vindictiveness. My brother kindly alerted me to your comments about me in your very poorly written write-up... get your freakin' facts straight girl - some of it is right on, but some of it is just way out there... what makes you the judge of whether my mum was doing what any decent mother would have done (and I admire her for that) or the fact that in your professional opinion it was "leadership whitewash" you are white trash as far as I am concerned and I don't like you as far as I could throw you. I know all the specific instances you are refering to and quite frankly I don't care... some of your facts are seriously screwed...! I am glad that my mum could see some of the corruption with the Family in Australia and finally agree with me on one thing and see why I left... we didn't always agree, but she stood by me on that and geez... that's obviously more than I can say for the likes of someone who is using half concocted facts to draw attention to themselves. I am not going to comment on any of the other crap you are going on about because I have chosen to actually move on unlike yourself. Do not use my name or any reference to me in your diatribes as I am not interested in getting involved in your seriously fucked up shit.
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From confussed
Monday, April 03, 2006, 08:30

Can you clarify? You 'thank' your mom for pimping underage girls for her boys WTF?

You say some facts are not correct, but not what they are.

It is unfortunate that these things have come to bit some people on the ass, but doing that at 21???? I hope he got help. (reply to this comment
From Even More Confused
Monday, April 03, 2006, 18:24

Who ever said anything about S.'s Mother doing any pimping for any boys? S. is not a Hartingdon. Honestly, some people are sooo thick!(reply to this comment
From Shal
Tuesday, April 04, 2006, 01:56

Hello people... I lived with the Hartingdon's... I am not one... my mother stood up for me when she realized some of the things that were going on and got really angry... she stood up for me when I didn't want to be pushed around... It appears that blackmail was attempted because I knew of a few of the scenarios that were previously mentioned and others and which Zion and Steven didn't want to get into... Zi was flirting around with a girl who was still in the Family and before I left I warned her to stay away from him if she wanted to stay in the Family as he wasn't a member... I was getting off partial excomunication at the time however it seemed that certain ones of the leaders were more interested in giving me the additional 6 weeks that WS had determined they could give out if they determined that the given person didn't take their time seriously etc. First of all the accusation was that I kissed someone then when that was adamantly proved false by all parties I was then told I would be given 6 weeks for gossiping - aka trying to let someone in leadership know of what was going on and being blackmailed for it. Needless to say when my parents came out to visit I got to stay with my ex-member sister and the rest of my family... when I warned this girl about flirting around with Zi, she repeated it to him and he started going off his nut and threatening me, telling me he would make my life a living hell if I came back to the Family... thankfully my mind was already made up and I wasn't going to put up with any more of that shit... Zion wasn't even in the Family and the leadership was more willing to stand up for him because he was a friend of their son's when I was supposed to be a Family member...There was a lot of stuff that happened, but my mum finally called Zi and went off at him and it caused a bit of a wave between my mum and the Hartingdon's. I don't really care about all of this shit. I was not raped by Steve, that is false... the sms's sent to me were not at all sexual or anything like that, they were threatening. There are many instances of misconduct on behalf of Paul and Joy's direct children that went unnoticed whereas with others the full extent of the law was executed, but I don't have time to go into it... so hopefull that clarifies something for you all. (reply to this comment
From Benz
Tuesday, April 04, 2006, 06:24

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Hey Sis,

Take care, don't let any more of this drag you down. It wasn't right for Sydney to put your name to something like that. - She doesn't seem too bright!

That said, I hope Zi and Steve (and the rest) get their just desserts. Perhaps if enough people are willing to come forward to the police something can be done. Many of the girls involved have probably blame themselves or feel that no one will believe them. - Remember this was part of the strategy of how Steve and Zi tried to make you feel?

I would like to hope we can support anyone who feels it is important to make sure that people who hurt others are lawfully punished. - Or else, how else will people like Zi and Steve learn? - I'm sure having a little love-up time with their cell mates will teach them a thing or two.

These appear to be recent examples of serious criminal acts done where Paul and Joy are protecting Zi and Steve (perhaps others as well). If Paul and Joy knew that Zi had raped someone shouldn't they have told the police! Even Steve, statutory rape with a minor!

If anyone wants to seek justice in this situation where more than one person have been victims, perhaps something can be done about it. -Just a thought.

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From Shal
Saturday, April 08, 2006, 00:22

Thanks Bro,

I agree with you. And by the way, I agree with you too Sydney and appreciate your second article... much better articulation and I believe you are getting somewhere with what you are trying to say... we all do agree on many fronts but lets just be careful how we express it... this and any other site can be googled and I have had friends who have had people find them on this site and have had it cause problems with their careers and stuff... so lets be mindful of that.
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From Rain Child
Tuesday, April 04, 2006, 05:12

Shal, when I first read this article I felt so bad for you, having your private life sensationalised and splashed around like that. I'm sorry it happened, I'm sorry for Isis too, I remember her as such a sweet little kid. I remember you from India as well, you are a gorgeous girl and I'm glad you're making a new life for yourself. I definitely can see those boys doing this stuff, esp. Si, and I'm ashamed for them. It's been a very long time since Ive seen any of the Sydney gang, many years, and that's why I didn't want to get involved on this thread, because I really wouldn't know what I was talking about. However, I do remember those boy's attitudes, and they are consistent with this story. I think you're a brave girl coming on here, I can't even imagine how I'd feel if that story was posted about me. If you ask Sydney, she might remove it for you. That would be the most decent thing to do in this circumstance. You can contact her by clicking on her name. If all else fails, you can ask the administrator to have it removed. Good luck.(reply to this comment
From Rain Child
Tuesday, April 04, 2006, 05:13

PS: Good on your Mum!
It's never easy to buck the tide in The Family, especially in this kind of situation.(reply to this comment
from SeanSwede
Sunday, April 02, 2006 - 09:57


After seeing the picture of this Paul Hartington. I realise that this is NOT the Paul who abused us mentally and physicaly in at the Victor Program in Matsumoto, Japan. in in the very early `90`s. The Australian Paul that we knew had blue eyes and curley hair.

Although, if anyone knows of who I am referring to, please don`t hesitate to let us know thru this site. Thank You!
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from SeanSwede
Sunday, April 02, 2006 - 09:48

It doesn`t seem like the Hartington boys got their ass beaten bad enough thru the years by their strict father, Paul Hartington, so they wouldn`t dream of doing what they did.
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from vixen
Sunday, April 02, 2006 - 01:53

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Hey Sydney :-)

Good article.

I'm sorry to pick on you, but I was wondering if you've established whether or not the young woman in question is happy with her name being mentioned here? I just think that perhaps it would be better to be discreet in regards to personal information, given the subject matter (unless she's okay with it, that is).

Just my two cents.
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From vixen
Sunday, April 02, 2006, 03:25

Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5(Agree/Disagree?)
Sigh, I am tired this morning -- That should say 'young women', 'their names' and 'unless they're okay with it'.(reply to this comment
from harah
Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 23:54


Well done sydney for having the absolute courage to come out and say what has and still is happening in Australia.

Some may say this may be a little harsh, do not listen.

The hardingdon's deserve nothing less than their name printed across the screen to advertise their real life objectives they have had their hand in many a young females torture.

I hope to hell they "P&J Hardingdon" get what they deserve sooner than latter.
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From Shal
Monday, April 03, 2006, 03:54

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It's Hartingdon! And for goodness sakes guys... grow a skull. you don't use your full names here so why are you putting others people's names in your articles. You should see how great my life is now... maybe you'd choose to move on!(reply to this comment
From It's not rocket science
Monday, April 03, 2006, 13:00

Abusers names have always been used here, to expose them and to warn others, not to mention trying to track down these muti-named people so they can be located and bought to justice, if the victin so requires.... (reply to this comment
From Shal
Tuesday, April 04, 2006, 02:00

Yeah dude, get it straight.. I don't like my name being used... I am not a perpetrator.. I am not sexually abusing anyone... ROCKET SCIENTIST NOT!!!(reply to this comment
From and you're clearly no rocket scientist...
Monday, April 03, 2006, 13:12

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I think shal was referring to the names of the *victims* in this article, not the perpetrators.(reply to this comment
From whoops
Tuesday, April 04, 2006, 09:31

I shouldn't have read whilst drunk ;) from the post and reply it sounded as if shal was steve or his brother. My bad.(reply to this comment

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