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Could these have been TFI collectors?

from Mack - Monday, September 19, 2005
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Justice for false charity collectors.

Here is a link to an article on CNN where 2 people were arrested for collecting money under false pretenses. If they can be charged so can TFI.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/19/katrina.scam.ap/index.html

TFI do a simular type of collecting they call "canning" and I'm sure there are TFI members scamming people some where in America as you read this.

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from ErikMagnusLehnsher
Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 16:06

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..Speaking of fundraising...This really belongs in it's own "Lighten Up" article but I didn't want to wait 24 hours for it to post:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5614695213

$50 says "Cody" spent some time in the COG. :)
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From Phoenixkidd
Friday, September 23, 2005, 16:50

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Well Said Erik, I should add on that all the "busking, Litnessing and tapenessing" such nice little names for all the horrible and embarrassing things we had to go through as kids. I remember the police pullled me and an Uncle over after a store owner called the police suspecting he kidnapped me. The Uncle scolded me for not saying more in Japanese, because I supposedly "Knew the language" I was 11 at the time. Or when the cops pulled over my Dad and brought him to the police station while me and 2 other girls hid behind a vending machine---I was 10 at the time. Or perhaps when I had to sign an affidavit in Arabic, not English, because someone thought we were selling raffle tickets that were no good, I was 20 at the time in Jordan. I just sigh that I don't have to go through any more lying like I did all my Life! Oh yeah how bout the time when I was pulled over for trying to "smuggle" 50 video tapes into Singapore, and being grilled for over an hour. (reply to this comment

From porceleindoll
Friday, September 23, 2005, 19:32

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Hahaha! That brought back memories:
Getting picked up by the police when I was 17 and leading a tapenessing team consisting of Sunny and Auty who were both under 13. I somehow managed to convince the police that I couldn't remember my phone-number nor address, had forgotten my alien registration card and was going to meet my father at the train station shortly. They finally drove us down there and dropped us off, warning us that it was dangerous for such young girls to be doing what we were doing.

Or how about standing in line to do one of those infamous 'dance' videos at the HCS, when immigrations rang the doorbell and being hurridly shuffled into the underground hideout along with 100 kids, wearing a robe over a bunch of veils.

Or waking up to devotions only to have immigrations on our doorstep ready to blacklist us from Malaysia.

I think most of the 'persecution' we were faced with was centered more around our own stupidity and doing things that weren't legal or right, rather than our religious belief. I'm actually amazed that we got away with so much, like cramming over 30 people into 3 bedroom houses, having kids out on the streets busking way after dark, things that were either crazy or outright dangerous.(reply to this comment
from Big Sister
Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 11:50

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What is "canning"? Is it standing in a public place with a collection can
and a vague description of your so-called charity?
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From ErikMagnusLehnsher
Tuesday, September 20, 2005, 23:03

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I'm shamelessly plugging my own poem here but if you care to read some "Memories of Canning" here they are:

http://www.movingon.org/article.asp?sID=8&Cat=19&ID=2886(reply to this comment

From Mack
Tuesday, September 20, 2005, 23:54

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That's an awsome poem! You said it all in there for anyone who wants to know what "canning" was/is.(reply to this comment
From .............
Wednesday, September 21, 2005, 08:12

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LOL! HORRIBLE MEMORIES CAME RUSHING BACK WHILE READING THAT POEM. THE UGLY MASTURBATING GUY WAS ONE OF THEM.

GOD, HOW I LOVE EARNING MY MONEY SITTING IN AN OFFICE WITH A/C, AND NOT HAVING TO FEEL EMBARRASSED ABOUT WHAT I DO!

I USED TO ACTUALLY LIKE CLOWNING BETTER THAN CLOWNING, CUS THAT WAY, NO ONE WOULD RECOGNIZE YOU. OH, AND NOT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT COPS GIVING ME FINES OR ARRESTING ME FOR IT.


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From ............
Wednesday, September 21, 2005, 08:13

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THAT SHOULD READ "CLOWNING BETTER THAN CANNING"(reply to this comment
From vixen
Tuesday, September 20, 2005, 11:56

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^^^ Yes.(reply to this comment
From Mack
Tuesday, September 20, 2005, 20:00

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"CANNING" is a term TFI uses for panhandling at a traffic light or an off ramp of a highway or busy intersection. Its usually with a can or bucket (as the name says). They may also have a sign on the can such as "donations for missionaries" or “Help Support Christian Missionaries" “God bless you” etc. (so for all you cops out there if you see them make sure you charge them for vagrancy, loitering or just being a public nuisance). It’s so sad how TFI makes their children beg for money in order to avoid working in the "system" or getting an education. TFI parents are really just a bunch of worthless losers.
“Canning” is an easier way for TFI to get money with out working, tapenessing, postering or littnessing like some of us were forced to do as a children. It also takes less talent than “clowning.”
TFI have no respect for people who work for a living and even less respect for their own children who to them are nothing more than money making slaves.

TFIs children are now their only hope for not becoming homeless. Today’s mission/focus (as you can read in most of their recent GNs) is to keep as many of their children in by using scare tactics such as the “Vandari” GNs, a no contact policy allowed with ex-members as well as a denial policy of anything negative or anti TFI. The only real way they have to battle the truth from reaching their youth is to deny it and condition them for what to do or say when they are confronted with he trutht.

I have noticed in recent years (from my siblings who are still in) TFI have gone from believing the truth, to ignoring it, to arguing it, and now to believing that anything anti TFI is a lie and work of satin. One argument my little sister made to “FF-ing was that the love of her life was a product born out of it and that FF-ing did a lot of good in winning souls. But when I told her that her argument was the equivalent of saying “a child born out of rape made it ok rape” was absolute lunacy she had no reply but to get very upset at me for attacking her beliefs. So TFI leadership does have a training plan at work however its just not full proofed as they would like it to be.

I am convinced the CROs are trained to lie to TFI youth in order to save what’s left of TFI from dissolving into a thing of the past as I’m sure it would if the TRUTH were told. You can imagine how scared TFI leadership is today not of the “AC” as it was 15 years ago but of their own children/victims who could put them in prison if the TFI leadership ever came out of hiding. Most of the real sick child molesters are still outside of the US now trying to avoid criminal prosecution or media attention.

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from EyesWideShut
Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 08:00

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With the mixture of ages in the group of three, it certainly could be the family. 44 year old man, 19 year old woman, and a 14 year old girl.
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From flutterfly
Tuesday, September 20, 2005, 19:59

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No, I don't think it would be TF. Although TF does collect donations, I doubt they would actually claim they are the Red Cross, which is what these people were arrested for. --Impersonating a charity organization as well as scamming.(reply to this comment
From ErikMagnusLehnsher
Tuesday, September 20, 2005, 23:00

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That's a tough one. It's impossible to know if it's them based on that article but it sure sounds like their modus operandi. Saying stuff like "We work with the Red Cross", or "We work with the Ronald McDonald House" could easily be interpreted as them being the Red Cross. I mean if somebody's got a $20 bill out I think the spiel could easily morph into "Yeah...oh yeah...we're the Red Cross. Thank you very much". Is that illegal? Hell yeah.(reply to this comment
From
Wednesday, September 21, 2005, 08:49

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This looks very Red Cross'ish to me http://www.katrinareliefhome.com/category/san-antonio/

Scoll to the bottom(reply to this comment

From Big Sister
Wednesday, September 21, 2005, 22:29

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More from the masters of spin at katerinareliefhome:
A photo of actress Kirsty Alley and a Family member called John. This is a link to the photo:
http://www.katrinareliefhome.com/wp-content/KirstyAlleywithJohnB..gif
The photo is labeled: "Kirsty Alley heard how tasty our food was and stopped by to sample some of our mouth-watering grilled tuna."
But what's really interesting is her shirt, which is labeled "Scientology Volunteer Minister". To see this page: http://www.katrinareliefhome.com/, scroll down about a quarter of the page.(reply to this comment
From ErikMagnusLehnsher
Wednesday, September 21, 2005, 23:26

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Please don't get Pawn started again on Scientology (for his own good). I think some of Roughneck's teeth are still in his ass. :)

Kirsty Alley's publicist is going to be pissed...not to mention her personal trainer...at least it was GRILLED.

The cynic is me sees the website for the P.R. job that it is but as I read it over, it looks like many of them were working pretty hard and that their assistance was appreciated...I can't criticize them for that.(reply to this comment

From Lance
Wednesday, September 21, 2005, 02:17

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In the article I read it said that the two people had fake ID's identifying them as red cross workers. Now I don't know if TFI would go through all that trouble since they've done just fine with the whole "we work WITH the red cross scheme". But it certainly sounds like something some stupid, 44 year old family member could have cooked up; I mean they suffer from a narcassistic complex when it comes to their so-called charity work, so maybe this guy(whom I'll call uncle Tino) couldn't tell the difference and actually thought that the two cans of chilli he dropped into a donation box actually qualified him to be red cross worker.

The setting up of a table outside a store sounds really familiar, all they were missing was clown make up and baloons.

Or they could be just white trash out to make a buck. (reply to this comment

From
Wednesday, September 21, 2005, 07:50

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You mean, "OTHER white trash out to make a buck"?(reply to this comment
From EyesWideShut
Monday, September 26, 2005, 14:09

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Yeah, probably not the Family, come to think of it. They tend to stay just behind the line on those illegal issues.(reply to this comment

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