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Getting Out : Seeking Justice
FF'ing Cartoon | from Lola - Monday, April 04, 2005
accessed 5634 times Looking for FF'ing images Does anyone have access to a cartoon in one of the ML's about the benefits of FF'ing. If memory serves me right, there were two cartoon images depicting a before and after scenario.
The first image is of a Family home with no money, a kid saying that he was hungry, everyone wearing torn clothes, etc. The next image was the same room with a kid eating fresh food, new clothes, new furniture...I believe the caption read something along the lines of "after our women went out FF'ing ... the Lord supplied. TYJ etc."
If anyone has a scanned image of this please let me know.
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from itsxena2u
Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 21:20
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Does anyone remember the drawing of a beautiful naked woman hanging from a huge fish hook pierced through her chest and her arms are raised above her head as she holds on to the hook? I remember her eyes were closed and her face had an expression of pain and suffering, meanwhile several fish where swimming around smilling from ear to ear waiting to bite the bait? Or who remembers the cartoon where it depicts a whore with a martini in one hand and a cigarrette in the other (I guess it was Babylon or the US, I don't remember) sitting with her legs spread apart and a city built between her legs and a tunnel running through it leading to.....? (well, when we were kids we just used our imagination) Wasn't it called "Babylon the Great Whore?" I don't remember the titles but I sure remember the cartoons.
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|  From Oddman
Thursday, April 07, 2005, 04:07
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Yeah, there was a woman on a hook in the Flirty Fishes letter. There was also a mermaid with a hook pierced through her body, smiling, with her arms around the neck of a naked guy. There was also a pic of a guy with a smug on his face, arm on hip, next to a boat with nets, looking at a scantily clad woman, (I think dark skinned) and the caption was something like "He eyes the bait".
Amazing what we still remember. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From flashback
Thursday, April 07, 2005, 11:02
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There also was a picture of a baby nailed to a cross on the cover of an ML that came out around the time Berg & Zerby were kicked out of Tenerife. The crucified baby symbolized persecution of the Children of God, although in retrospect it could be interpreted as a vision of what laid in store for the kids born into the group. I clearly remember the Great Whore image, because I was warned by a police officers in St. Petersburg, FL, not to distribute what they viewed as pornographic material on their beat. They didn't buy my stupid rationalization about freedom of religious expression.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | from Nikisan
Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 20:06
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I will have access to Vol 4 after April 20th. Write me if you still need the cartoon then.
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| from exister
Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 09:43
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Let us not forget the full page montage of the 7 Fs of FFing. The only one I recall is "eFFuctive".
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| | | | | | | From exister
Wednesday, April 06, 2005, 07:07
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Which incidentally had the lamest drawing of gay sex I have ever had the misfortune of seeing. I mean they could have at least featured a couple of queens with beehive hairdos and flowing gowns flanked by muscled attendants in hot pink daisy dukes. That would have at least prepared us for what to expect when we finally got out into the real world and met some real live homos.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | from Nick
Monday, April 04, 2005 - 14:56
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I remember that cartoon. It had a pic of a kid sitting at the table asking for another steak. That was the pro FFing cartoon.
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| From Samuel
Tuesday, April 05, 2005, 12:03
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I think you all might be wrong. The one with the boy asking for another steak was about tithing, I believe. It appeared that they had written some letters allowing people to reduce their tithes, or probably one of those letters where they took away the minimum tithe which was the least you could give. I remember the quote from the Daily Bread "You don't have to make $300 to tithe $30- just $30!"
Anyway, it was about before and after the began tithing their full 10% again. When they weren't tithing God didn't want to provide for them. When they did tithe, they got to eat steaks etc. Then they stopped tithing and "witnessing" and "weren't serving the Lord", so you see someone taking all their stuff away in a truck and they boy says " Does this means beans again?". What a load of bull! The suggestion was that if you don't serve the Lord he won't provide for you. And WHERE in the Bible does it say that!?
The pro-FFing cartoon though, I don't remember. Maybe some of you are older than me and might remember that cartoon because it got purged or something- or maybe it's just because I never really liked the big thick TK books. I always preferred the DB, LOG, LWG, MOP, and the small TK volume 5. I do however remember vaguely the FFing part of "Beauty and the Beast" before it got purged. (reply to this comment) |
| | From Oddman
Thursday, April 07, 2005, 04:20
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That Beauty and the Beast was so twisted. Didn't Jeremy Spencer do the artwork for it? Why do all women in Jeremy's comics come in long dresses that seem to be made of spandex?And when they stand, they all hold their other hand in front of them, looking rather nervous. Anyway, I'm glad the concept of a warthog transforming into a prince after sex wasn't picked up by Walt Disney.
By those rules, transforming a frog into a prince would be quite the feat.....(reply to this comment) |
| | From roughneck
Thursday, April 07, 2005, 11:14
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Spencer's artwork, like his music, is uniformly crap. Heck even in TF I thought his art was pretty much the trash side of poor, to say nothing of his perfectly hideous Elvis impersonation.
The wacky faces Rockin' Reggie would pull while wailing on his slide guitar, however, should be preserved for all the ages. Just please turn the sound off to avoid auditory discomfort. :) (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From HVV
Wednesday, April 06, 2005, 02:52
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Hey, maybe I happen to be a fu*king jezuz baby, and maybe my mom fuc*ed some asshole for rent. Well tell you what, as stupid as she may have been, I don't appreciate you refering to her as a hooker. She was a helpless fuc*ing undereducated, deluded, and brainwashed ex-hippy trying to squeeze into heaven, while raising double digit kids, and double digit kids for some stuck up "shepherds" that fuck*d her too. So throw the mud in some other direction. Where was our biological dads? My fucki*g "real" father was an assh*le, and there was fu*king "Dad" himself. At least I'm alive now cause of my mother. Your mom either went through the pains of labor, or had her belly slit for you too, I say you owe her some respect for your life too. (reply to this comment) |
| | From celestej
Monday, August 25, 2008, 12:00
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I can't say I agree with that. I don't think we "owe" our parents anything. We didn't choose the circumstances into which we were born. Every parent owes thier child love, stability and protection from the evils of the world. Popping out babies is something pretty much everyone is capable of, and it's nothing to be proud of- raising a healthy, well-adjusted human being is an accomplishment. Since my parents miserably failed and systematically fucked up every one of their unfortunate children, I have less than zero respect for either of them. If someone called my mother a whore I wouldn't be offended- that's exactly what she was.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Baxter
Thursday, April 07, 2005, 05:30
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From one victim of identical circumstances to another: I really don't give two hoots if you called my mum a hooker. I mean in consideration, hooker is kinda mild. What else do you call a person who prostitutes themselves for capital and then has the nerve to come back boasting about it in front of her kids. I can't exactly refer to her as a victim now, can I?
I never asked to be born into this fucking insult of a childhood. Why on earth should I be grateful to her or show her even the slightest ounce of respect. Most of the time she made it very obvious she hadn't wanted to be a mother, she'd have been happier foot-loose, fancy-free and fucking all and sundry, and when she wasn't trying to get away from us, she filled our lives with the warm and fuzzy feeling that comes from knowing that even before you were born, you were a disappointment to her, her heritage and her faith. I don't know about you, but a lot of other names come to mind other than hooker, mate (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | From vixen
Wednesday, April 06, 2005, 09:04
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Okay, I personally think it's enough with the name calling now, guys. You might be perfectly correct in using the 'it's the proper definition' line, but I think the use of such an emotive term as 'whore' is unnecessary and offensive to the person who complained about it above. If you're comfortable with the idea of calling your mother a whore, then fine, but some people aren't. I am aware that technically my mom prostituted herself, but I still don't use the word 'whore' in reference to her. I'm not offended by your use of the word, but it obviously upsets some people, and maybe you've made your point sufficiently clear now.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Oddman
Thursday, April 07, 2005, 04:02
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Were our mothers hookers? Technically yes.
Even if a women practices prostitution against her will, and receives no profit at all, she's still a prostitute. Look at the Asian slaves, exported to Japan, and working as hookers. They may be slaves, but their still hookers.
In my book, our mothers were victims. While some may have been gung-ho hookers who had rent in mind, there were those who had extreme "battles" about it, but did it believing it was the will of God.
It's understandable that some of us have traumas about how we were born, and what we saw our mothers do. I don't see the point in trying to state the obvious. We all know they were hooking, and they knew it was hooking. Dad sent out letters, telling them to be hookers for Jesus. So they did know what they were doing.
I think HVV was more offended by the way John used the term "Whore" in a joking and light manner.
As for me, my mother did turn a blind eye and a deaf ear when I was getting my ass skinned raw, when I was getting strangled, or when I slept out in the snow for punishment, got locked in a closet for hours, ate soap bars. She did stand by when my siblings were being "exorcised" as well. Still, I respect her enough to not refer to her as a "whore", though she technically was a top notch prostitute.(reply to this comment) |
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Wednesday, April 06, 2005, 05:43
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It's true that many woman, including my Mom, had terribl;e "trials" about FFing and were made to feel selfish and unloving if they complained or didn't carry out their "duty" with conviction, not only to their children or partners but also to the "Fish". This put alot of presure on my Mom, to provide for us. For that I respect her.
Don't forget Berg called them hookers, remember "Hookers for Jesus"? (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Take a look at your dictionary
Wednesday, April 06, 2005, 03:19
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It's not a lack of respect to simply tell it as it is. I'm afraid the dictionary is very clear about what someone who has sex for financial gain is called. Personally, I do still have some respect for my mum and regardless of everything love her very much, but I feel as an adult I have to be responsible enough to call a spade and spade and admit that unfortunately anyone who FFed as my mum did was a whore, regardless of what their "lofty" intensions were. I think you'll find there are plenty of whores who are doing what they do because the feel they have no other way of providing for their children etc. etc. but that doesn't change what they are.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Sonderval
Wednesday, April 06, 2005, 05:15
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heh, two anonymous posters having an argument, is there anything more pointless. :D
My mother did FFing, I don't know whether she got paid for it or not but if you have sex for any reason other than desire then yes, I'm afraid that makes you a hooker, I would have thought that anyone here would be past the point of being defined by their past by calling themselves a 'Jesus Baby'.
Anyway, I personally don't see what the big deal is, most of us sell ourselves every day to make a living and usually for less than we're worth, I'm afraid I don't see sex as some fantastic mystical experience so don't really see that there's all that much of a difference, if I was good looking enough to be a gigolo I'd definitely consider a change of career. I've always thought that people who have such a massive problem with the sex trade are just projecting their own loathing and shame for their 'dirty' urges onto the people who satisfy them, it's kinda funny, to me it always conjures an image of a preacher foaming at the mouth about sin and then creeping off to a brothel wearing a crap disguise.
To me the worst thing about FFing is the fact that pressure was put on them to do it so they'd feel 'unrevolutionary' if they didn't want to go out and have sex with a bunch of strangers for cash, I can only imagine how that must have messed a lot of people up. As well as the fact that the family took a tithe of the cash (which is technically profitting from immoral earnings and therefore illegal in the UK at least), if you're going to have a pimp he should at least have a big hat with a feather in it and make sure that the Johns don't get too rough. ;)(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From exister
Wednesday, April 06, 2005, 07:02
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But Sonderval, with those flowing, blonde locks of yours you are a veritable Scottish Fabio! There may yet be hope for you future as a man whore.
During my tenure in the ghetto I learned an important rule that seems to apply here. One should never use derogatory terms for another's man's mother or woman, no matter what terms that other man uses for them. In other words, for the purposes of telling it like it is we all have the right to call our own one and only mother a whore, but we certainly don't have the right to call another persons's mother a whore. It's just common ghetto courtesy.
For those of you who are really hung up about your mom's FFing I think you would find it quite liberating and therapeutic to once and for all admit to yourself that since your mom had sex with fat, rich, digusting, dirty, old men in exchange for some sort of compensation then she was, at least in the strictest semantic sense a whore. But that's not me calling her that. See above. (reply to this comment) |
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