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Quantifying Episodes of Abuse

from ErikMagnusLehnsher - Monday, March 14, 2005
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I brought up the idea of quantification of episodes of abuse in a previous post but it was associated with a lot of reconciliation verbiage so the question was never really addressed. I have been thinking about it over the last week or so and the "FBI" post by Dan made me think I should post the question again.

As is demonstrated by the "FBI" post, there is clearly a degree of mistrust between many of us SGA former members. I guess this is to be expected given our backgrounds. Unfortunately, I think the fact that instances of abuse have never been quantified does play into the hands of Family Leadership that contends that many accounts of abuse are exaggerated or based on hearsay (False Accusers of the Last Days). I prefer to maintain my anonymity (though I have written Jules with my info) because I have 2 young children and frankly am not willing to make myself (and by extension them) vulnerable or empower anyone who would use my former association with the TF to affect my career and livelihood. I have the utmost respect for those among us who speak out publicly and openly in the cause of justice and truth.

I think a documentation of instances of abuse would prevent any spin regarding the prevalence of abuse. I know SGA former members who have "moved on" and are happily working/studying and though they are not interested in participating in court cases or coming out publicly they would be willing to provide personal accounts of abuse or provide information that would corroborate the accounts of others IF they could do so anonymously.

The Family has had many academics study Homes and interview current members but one concern that I have had about academics’ studies of the group is a phenomenon that within journalistic circles might be regarded as the “Peter Arnatt Syndrome” whereby one exchanges sycophancy for access. In the early nineties, I guess TF regarded these types of studies as important for the survival of the group and therefore permitted them. In some cases, I would imagine academics could go easy on them in order to earn the “privilege” of extended access. Of course there are bought and paid guys like Melton who are an embarrassment to their profession.

I acknowledge that finding an unbiased 3rd party to collect such statements would be challenging. I say "unbiased" because for it to be credible to the TF it couldn't be someone who has written or spoken negatively towards the group. Likewise, none of us are going to trust someone on record as a cult apologist. The approval of jury members by both prosecution and defense lawyers does occur every day so one would think that finding an impartial 3rd party feasible, at least in theory.

I am in no ways trying to discourage people from working with the effort with the FBI but I would like to pose the following question:

If there was a method whereby you could maintain anonymity and recount firsthand instances of abuse involving yourself OR corroborate instances of abuse involving someone else in the interest of truth, would you participate?

My answer: I would.

The goal of this effort would not specifically be legal action against TF or individuals but of silencing once and for all the contention that instances of abuse were isolated and infrequent and not promoted by Family Leadership. One’s decision to seek justice individually or as a participant in a collective effort such as described in the “FBI” post would irrelevant to this process.

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from xolox
Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 12:07


There's one major flaw in your idea and one minor one, and that is that any home that an unbiased professional would be granted access to would undoubtedly be a model one, and it's members would be well rehearsed in what to say act and do. There would be no honest picture there.

Secondly, TF has moved on from it's most scandalous practices. At most someone would think their just a little wierd. No crime in that.

It would sure be a riot if they were to spend a month with Zerby though. Ahh, at least we can dream.
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From sick and tired
Tuesday, March 15, 2005, 17:02


"TF has moved on from it's most scandalous practices."

I am sick and tired of hearing that shit ITS NOT TRUE, there is still sexual abuse going on in TF homes.

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From xolox
Tuesday, March 15, 2005, 18:50


Well DUH! I never said abuse is not happening! I said they moved past their MOST scandalous practices, like the overt condoning of paedophilia. Obviously stuff still happens.

Kindly read the post carefully before responding.(reply to this comment

From Joe H
Tuesday, March 15, 2005, 18:18

Yes, teaching fourteen-year-old children to tell Jesus to "fuck their cunts" is definitely what most would call a scandalous practice.(reply to this comment
From ErikMagnusLehnsher
Tuesday, March 15, 2005, 21:42


The doctrines of TF are as scandalous as ever but I think the distinction that Xolox was making (and I agree with him) is that TF does not permit illegal sexual activity because they figured out it would land them in the slamer. Of course, teaching screwy, scandalous and sexually charged doctrines can be defined as abusive at some level...but it's not illegal as far as I know.(reply to this comment

From ErikMagnusLehnsher
Tuesday, March 15, 2005, 16:09


Perhaps I wasn't clear. It would be assumed that primarily FORMER members would participate in this effort. Though current members theoritically could participate.

I agree that most current members either haven't been abused due to changes in the rules or view whatever instances of abuse in their childhood/teen-aged years through the rose-colored glasses of Rom.8:28.(reply to this comment

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