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Victory! --Cult Leader Guilty and Facing Jail

from Phoenixkidd - Wednesday, September 26, 2007
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Perhaps some of you have heard of Warren Jeffs and the extreme sect of Mormonism practiced in Colorado City Arizona...

Perhaps some of you have heard of Warren Jeffs and the extreme sect of Mormonism practiced in Colorado City Arizona, on the Utah Border.

Jeff Warrens has been charged and found guilty of accomplice to rape in the arranged Marriage of Elissa Wall and her 19 year old cousin...What is even more shocking are certain things and circumstances under which his ordained, "marriage" arrangement took place.

See here:

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/0925jeffstrial-CP.html

I have been following this case, ever since it first started making news in Arizona, and I am so relieved. What is shocking is that the defense tried to make this a case of religious persecution. It's hard to believe they would do this considering what the article states here about the marriage.

"At their wedding in 2001 at a Nevada motel, the woman said, she cried in despair when pressed by Jeffs to say I do and had to be coaxed to kiss her new husband. The woman testified that FLDS girls receive no information about their bodies or reproduction. She said she didn't even know sex was the means by which women had babies"

And on their cult town in Colorado City, AZ:

Since at least the 1920s, members of the FLDS have lived in the twin towns of Colorado City, Ariz., and Hildale, Utah, where the women wear long prairie dresses and have long braided hair, and the men dress modestly too, often in buttoned-up shirts.

All homes and other property were kept in a trust controlled by Jeffs and other church leaders until a judge in 2005 put an accountant in charge because of allegations of mismanagement.

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from Hansel
Friday, September 28, 2007 - 19:45

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Richard Douthit (Steven CRO) has done far worse in his time...and I'll be if they were to issue an arrest warrant, they'd find far more cash than the $58,000 Jeffs was said to be carrying on him.
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From Phoenixkidd
Tuesday, October 02, 2007, 12:49

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Talk about a manipulative, old, breeder guy, I wonder how many kids Steven Cro has fathered? 20? 30? anyone have a number on this?

I want him behind bars. I never did like the guy, always rubbed me the wrong way and even then I thought he was manipulative and over-adored. (reply to this comment

from Nick
Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 09:59

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Did you all see that as soon as the verdict was in, the issued an arrest warrant for the "husband". The 19 yr old boy that was married to the young girl. They are getting him for rape.

I am torn as to what to think about this whole situation. I do agree that it was rape, but I do kind of feel a little bad for the guy. I can imagine being raised in a cult the way that boy did and seeing how they treated other male members of the cult that disobeyed the leader. He was only 19 and in a way I think he may have been as much a victim as she was.

There are countless stories of men and boys in that cult that would be shunned from all their loved ones and families, even losing their homes etc when they didn't do what Jeffs wanted.

What do you all think? Do you think that dude to the fact that he was just 19 and knew nothing else but what the cult tells him that he is a victim? Or do you think he should be charged with rape? Like I said, I am kind of on the fence on how I feel about this one.
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From katrim4
Friday, September 28, 2007, 08:13

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I think it's easy to feel like the 19 year old "boy" is getting the raw end of the deal, he was after all, raised to believe in what he was doing and I can empathize with that. Personallly though I think each and every person must be responsible for their own actions. Had he been underage and afraid of what might happen to him I think I would cut him some slack. But in our justice system he was a legal adult.

Someone has to be brave enough to stop the vicious cycle of abuse in order for it to end and he obviously wasn't. Even if he didn't think he was doing something wrong, he was. Ignorance of the law has never been an excuse for breaking it. I think he should be sentenced (if proven guilty in a court of law) with the whole cult upbringing thing in mind and not have the book thrown at him.

There was an interesting discussion on here some time ago about SG's that had done similar things. I don't remember what the consensus was. Does anyone else?(reply to this comment

From Nick
Friday, September 28, 2007, 08:21

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Yeah, I guess your right. At some point you do have to be accountable for your actions no matter how hard it is for you. (reply to this comment
From yeah you reap what you sow
Friday, September 28, 2007, 08:41

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we are all a gift of nature and have in us the ability to create good and evil.
Each step into the future is a choice between creating either through selfhood/selfdirected-love
or- power outer-directed evil
and over and over it is played from since the dawn of existance, like the ultimate chess game.

cults v freedom
ego v true self determination
control v domination
endless massaging v independence
desire v contentment
slavery v sovereignty
neediness v security
image v reality
darkness v light
etc....(reply to this comment
From Phoenixkidd
Friday, September 28, 2007, 11:24

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Is that a Mo Quote?? How dare you--LOL(reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Thursday, September 27, 2007, 14:25

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Wouldn't it be utterly senseless to find Warren Jeffs guilty of being an accomplice to rape, and then proceed to let the man who actually committed the act go without prosecution?

If someone named an ex-Family SGA as their abuser and wanted to take legal action against them, I would not attempt to excuse or defend the perpetrator even if he/she was a close friend.

I say rape is rape, regardless of if the guy was following orders or doing as he was taught. Let them put the guy on trial and see what the jury decides.(reply to this comment
From cheeks
Thursday, September 27, 2007, 11:02

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I also have mixed feelings, while I realize he was raised in a cult his whole life so were we. I know I was 16 when I decided they were no longer going to control me, certainly at 19 I would have never had sex with anyone they wanted me to regardless of the situation, certainly not a fourteen year old who told me no. However, I also realize that our parents did crazy shit just because they were told to by their prophet, so who am I to judge.(reply to this comment
from Victory!! in Manila
Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 07:00

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Beware of dogs!
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From AndyH
Thursday, September 27, 2007, 11:43

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I don't get it. (reply to this comment
from neez
Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 04:55

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He looked like he was about to pass out as they carted him off, as if he was convinced he'd get away with it.
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From neez
Thursday, September 27, 2007, 04:57

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btw.. I put my article in the right section. Do I win? :P(reply to this comment
From AndyH
Thursday, September 27, 2007, 07:20

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I think you're both wrong. I think 'Media Reports' would have been more suitable, as the majority of the content is not original, but from a Media Report.

But that's just me. :)(reply to this comment

From neez
Wednesday, October 03, 2007, 02:44

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Well pretty much everything is in a media report at some stage.

If you read the sub-headings of the sections, "Seeking Justice" was the most relevant section to post in.

The sub-heading for 'Seeking Justice' reads: "Is there anything that can be done to ensure that guilty parties take responsibility for their actions? Share your thoughts on this issue."

The sub-heading for 'Creeps' reads: "The Family earnestly denies any wrong doing...This section is to identify those individuals who were responsible."

1) Jeffs was never in TF
2) Jeffs has already been caught
3) I managed to spell his name right

But meh, that family chicks blog post got chucked in "creeps", so have at it.

Here's to untouchable cult leaders being 'touched' on a nightly basis in jail.(reply to this comment
From Phoenixkidd
Thursday, September 27, 2007, 13:26

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Your right Nick, I am glad they got Warren Jeffs, but I think they are going too far in charging this guy for Rape, when he thought he was doing right and just getting married to his cousin...LOL it's funny but it's so sad how one can be so deluded by the cult. I mean I was told to have s** with someone when I was 19 and 20 and I did. Thank God they were of age and I don't think I crossed legal boundaries. Although I regret I regret even the thought of doing anything like that again.

I am just glad the government of Arizona took Action where Utah failed miserably. It took em so long to do it. I mean these people are living like they are in the 1800's with all children, land, school everything in both those towns are considered property of the CHurch.

They would kick out young boys at the age of 14 and 15 and then marry their sisters to older cult members in polygamist marriages--Just insane. Also they had very high infant mortality rates, which no one has been able to explain. --Just one big baby making factory out there on the Arizona border--I hope they burn that town to the ground and take the good people away from their church. I know that won't happen though. (reply to this comment

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