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The Peter Amsterdam Factor

from mas - Friday, July 13, 2007
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Is Peter Amsterdam a sexual abuser?

I am doing some research on Peter, and am particularly interested in his history of sexual abuse. Obviously he was implicated in the torture of Mene, and according to Justice Ward he sexually abused her too.

Does anyone have any information about other cases of sexual abuse involving this Family leader?

Thanks

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from James_Massa
Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 12:38

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Hi my name is James Massa, my prophecy and other testimony has been posted above. I am not a member of The Family International, but I have friends who are, and they are good people who love God, but they are being corrupted by appauling leadership thats creating wickedness. The time is coming when all child abusers will be dealt with by God in all Church denominations, it does seem like abuse has gone on in The Family and no good prophecies will be fulfilled in The Family (including the above one) untill they repent of their wickedness, the leadership admits they are responsible for the abuse, their practices and teachings regarding sex are publicly denounced and the leadership is supplanted.

After hearing and reading a number of sincere testimonies about abuse and wrong doings inspired by The Family International Leadership, God has called me to write a Prophetic Rebuke of Woe against Family International Leader: Peter Amsterdam and the Leadership as a whole.


Prophetic Word: God Puts Peter Amsterdam on Notice

I am a Prophet and Preacher of varying denominations who was brought to the Lord by friends I have in The Family International. The Family has some great people in their group who really love God, and God is using them to save souls, however The Family Leadership is in serious error and sin which causes iniquity to abound. God has called me to give The Family International Leadership, and in particular Peter Amsterdam, a Prophetic rebuke for the way they treat sexual abuse victims and run the organization as a whole.

The Lord has commissioned me to write edifying prophecies for The Family in the past, so I am not biased, I have a balanced perspective toward The Family. I see the good qualities of The Family, but I have been ignoring the bad qualities for far too long, and today the Lord has commissioned me to write a prophetic rebuke of doom and woe against a Leadership who refuses to repent of its wickedness.

Samuel was also a Prophet, and even though he was raised up as a servant of the Lord by Eli and his household, Samuel was called by God to Prophesy a Prophecy of Doom and rebuke over Eli and his household. I am also like Samuel, and even though I was brought to the Lord by friends I know in The Family, God has called me to deliver a Prophecy of Doom, woe and rebuke to The Family International Leadership. It is scriptural for a Prophet who is brought to the Lord by a certain people to prophesy against them, as we see in the book of 1st Samuel. For TF to say this prophecy is not valid because they brought me to the Lord, they are gravely mistaken as scripture in Samuel disproves this.

Peter Amsterdam is a main leader of The Family International which is a spiritual body that serves God. However Peter Amsterdam is a like a cancer inside the body of believers that is rotting away the body of believers like a cancer, Peter is corrupting the house of Israel by strengthening the hands of molestation and abuse just as Eli’s sons corrupted the House of Israel in the book of 1 Samuel. “Now Eli was very old; and he heard everything his sons did to all Israel, and how they lay with the women who assembled at the door of the tabernacle of meeting. So he said to them, "Why do you do such things? For I hear of your evil dealings from all the people.”( 1 Samuel 2:22-23). We hear the evil doings of Peter Amsterdam from many people, and I have witnessed the testimonies of people in The Family who have genuinely had evil done to them. Peter Amsterdam’s position of power and leadership makes him accountable to God, as Peter Amsterdam’s policies and directions strengthens the hands of the evil doers so that none turns from his wicked ways, “Also I have seen a horrible thing in the prophets of Jerusalem: they commit adultery and walk in lies; they also strengthen the hands of evildoers, so that no one turns back from his wickedness.” (Jeremiah 23:14)

Peter Amsterdam has demons influencing him and is destroying the body of believers which he Shepard’s, the sheep are in need of a new Shepard and Peter Amsterdam is going to be struck down by God as a warning to the leaders of The Family. “Wail, shepherds, and cry! Roll about in the ashes, you leaders of the flock! For the days of your slaughter and your dispersions are fulfilled; you shall fall like a precious vessel.”(Jeremiah 25:34). People are going to wail and cry when Peter Amsterdam is struck down by God, Peter Amsterdam is going to die of a heart attack in less than two years for his wicked ways and idleness in taking responsibility for the child abuse cases, “But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.”(Matthew 12:36). Peter Amsterdam is going to give account to God for his idle words and lack of repentance, toward the cries of the sheep who cry for justice and accountability. God is going to spoil Peter Amsterdam’s pasture and strike him down dead with a heart attack, and this will cause the other leaders in The Family to wail and begin to take responsibility for their deeds. If the Shepard’s of The Family do not repent after Peter Amsterdam dies of a heart attack, God will also kill the Shepard’s in the Family who did not repent and they shall not escape! “And the shepherds will have no way to flee, nor the leaders of the flock to escape. A voice of the cry of the shepherds, and a wailing of the leaders to the flock will be heard. For the LORD has plundered their pasture, And the peaceful dwellings are cut down because of the fierce anger of the LORD.” (Jeremiah 25:35-37). God is going to cut down the peaceful dwellings of The Family Leadership when He kills Peter Amsterdam with a heart attack in less than 2 years, God will then cause other leaders of The Family to die of heart attacks if they do not repent after Peter dies.

Anyone who ministers the gospel is a son of Levi, the sons of Levi are Gods priests. Peter Amsterdam has chosen to be a leader of the sons of Levi, and is causing the sons of Levi to error and walk into destruction. “For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.”(Isaiah 9:16). Judgment starts at the House of God before anywhere else, so it will be the House of David that will be judged first, “For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God.” (1 Peter 4:17)
God has no pleasure in giving Peter a heart attack and killing him, but justice must and will be done, and it is just that Peter die. The Family is the House of Israel, and the fear of God must be sent into the House of Israel so they turn from their evil ways. “Say to them: 'As I live,' says the Lord GOD, 'I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?”(Ezekiel 33:11). Turn from your evil ways Peter! Turn from your evil ways Oh corrupt Shepard’s of Israel! I have watched the responses to the abuse claims which people once involved in The Family have made, and Peter responds and coerces Maria to respond with pride and selfishness, they judge not the cause of the fatherless, neither do they seek justice for the oppressed. For behold, Peter Amsterdam shall die in his iniquity, then shall the House of Israel fear God and become refined in the fire, then shall the sons of Levi swiftly come into repentance. For the Lord thy God shall be a swift witness against them, “And I will come near you for judgment; I will be a swift witness against sorcerers, against adulterers, against perjurers, against those who exploit wage earners and widows and orphans, and against those who turn away an alien-- because they do not fear Me," says the LORD of hosts.”(Malachi 3:5). Peter Amsterdam is a perjurer, adulterer and one who exploits orphans, he turns away those of his flock who cry out for justice as one turns away an alien, for his ways shall be the way of perdition and the Lord shall be a swift witness against him.

As a Prophet and man of God who sees things through the eyes of the Lord, I have patiently looked at both sides of the argument, I have looked at the responses to the abuse by Family Leadership, and I have looked at the consistent claims of abuse made by people in The Family. I have seen honest and sincere testimonies of abuse made by former people in The Family, and in many cases I have seen: sincerity, honesty and a genuine desire for justice permeate off these testimonies. When these testimonies are made and Family Leadership are asked to take responsibility for their actions and be accountable, Family Leadership responds with a pride filled arrogance and heart of stone inspired response by refusing to admit its their fault, “Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the LORD of hosts.” (Zechariah 7:12). From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, and it is what comes out of a man’s mouth that defiles him. The responses from Family Leadership about the abuse illustrate a heart of stone, because they refuse to take responsibility and be accountable; and they seem to not flinch at the genuine complaints of abuse. The leadership seems filled with pride and self righteousness, refusing to take responsibility for their actions and policies which strengthen the hands of evil doers in their own flock. Pride seems to dominate the responses Leadership makes about abuse claims, the fruit of the spirit is absent when they respond with stone hearted pride when confronted with genuine abuse claims. “Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.” (Proverbs 16:18). Peter Amsterdam is responsible for the corruption within the flock, he has taken the role of Leader and is accountable before the Lord, his spirit of pride is going to send him to destruction and death. Peter has taken influence over Maria and continues to influence her and lead her astray. Maria will be spared and will come into repentance after Peter is swiftly brought to death through a heart attack by God.

Just as Jonah was reluctant to go to Nineveh to preach and deliver a prophecy that in a certain amount of time Nineveh will fall, so too I am reluctant to put a date and method for Peters death in this prophecy. But out of all the Prophets in the Bible it seems that Jonah’s prophecy was the only one that caused true repentance, and the prophecy did not come true. It is my sincere hope as a brother in the Lord, that Peter finds true repentance as he reads of this prophecy and the Lord of Hosts relents on this prophecy coming true. I recognize that true repentance always has its fruit, and The Family would want to completely change their: entire organization, policies and teachings which inspire abuse.

Let it be said that sex outside of marriage is and always will be fornication, and it is clear that the sexual policies and teachings of The Family are inspiring widespread abuse, and is allowing demonic activity to come into the organization. Peter’s repentance will be clearly evident and his leadership clearly recognized by God, when these sexual teachings are withdrawn and the widespread practice of these errors has been cleared up within The Family.

The widespread sexual abuse in The Family International is an abomination to the Lord, and the Lord desires that they put away these abominations, so that they can return to Israel and be prosperous. “If you will return, O Israel," says the LORD, "Return to Me; and if you will put away your abominations out of My sight, then you shall not be moved.”(Jeremiah 4:1)

The Family Leadership do not defend the rights of the needy ones who come in humility to declare that they have suffered abuse, the leadership refuses to take action and responsibility, and for this the Lord shall punish the Leadership. “The right of the needy they do not defend. Shall I not punish them for these things?' says the LORD. 'Shall I not avenge Myself on such a nation as this?”(Jeremiah 5:28-29)

It’s clear from the testimonies of vast a number of people who were in The Family International, that sexual abuse has occurred and was inspired by Leadership sanctioned teachings and policies. The stone hearted, unflinching, pride filled statements by Family Leadership seem to contradict the sorrowful and sincere complaints of sexual abuse victims, including victims who are actual children of leaders. The statements by leadership also seem to contradict official Family teachings sanctioned by Leadership, and this clearly shows there is deceit being employed by Leadership. “They hold fast to deceit, they refuse to return.” (Jeremiah 8:5).

The Family Leadership coerced by Peter Amsterdam, refuse to repent of their wickedness and abominations, and when confronted with legitimate claims of abuse they respond and say, “What have I done?” and refuse to admit them and their policies are inspiring sexual abuse, they continue to follow their own imaginations and course. “They do not speak aright. No man repented of his wickedness, saying, 'What have I done?' Everyone turned to his own course.”(Jeremiah 8:6)

It is very clear that The Family International Leadership’s sanctioned teachings and policies are inspiring sexual abuse abominations, and The Family Leadership is not ashamed of it and refuse to admit they are wrong and responsible for it all. “Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? No! They were not at all ashamed, nor did they know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall; in the time of their punishment they shall be cast down," says the LORD.” (Jeremiah 8:12)

The Shepard’s who make up The Family International Leadership deal with the abuse victims with dull hearts of stone, and refuse to humbly admit that the Leadership are responsible. “For the shepherds have become dull-hearted, and have not sought the LORD; therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.”(Jeremiah 10:21). God is clearly not allowing The Family International to prosper, as multitudes are leaving The Family because of: abuse, scandals and ungodly leadership.

God the Father speaking:

Peter Amsterdam is like Ananias, in the book of Acts. I struck Ananias dead because he withheld the price he sold a possession for. Shall I not punish Peter for his abominations and deceptions? Shall I not punish him for his deceit and perjury; shall I not punish a Shepard of deception and ungodliness as this? He strengthens the hands of evil doers with his implementation of policies that multiply abominations, he seeks not the cause of the oppressed and abused. Peter and Maria seek to get close to me with food deprivation fasting and different spiritual communication techniques, but “is this not the fast that I have chosen: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, to let the oppressed go free, and that you break every yoke?”(Isaiah 58:6). The bonds of wickedness have been placed upon these sexual abuse victims and they need to be loosened, the only way to loosen them is to renounce your sexual teachings that inspired this wickedness, turn from your wicked ways and admit that you are in serious error.

I plan to make Peter an example to The Family International Leadership, I know his thoughts and I know the spirits of lust he embraces, he is a man who follows the imagination of his own heart and often hardens his heart and encourages Maria to harden her heart. Peter is an abomination to me and I am holding him responsible for the deceit, sexual abuse and corrupt leadership in The Family. The Shepard’s will wail and mourn when Peter dies of a heart attack in less than two years, then they will fear the Lord and then they will know that I am the same yesterday today and forever. When the children of Israel were disobedient in the Old testament I swallowed them up in the ground, I sent fire down to consume them, and I am the same yesterday, today and forever.

I the Lord shall not be mocked, for my people dishonor me with their actions, Peter lacks justice and coerces Maria not to act in justice toward the abuse victims. Peter and Maria’s singing I have pleasure in no more, neither do their gatherings and praises bring me pleasure, “Take away from Me the noise of your songs, for I will not hear the melody of your stringed instruments. But let justice run down like water, and righteousness like a mighty stream.”(Amos 5:23-24). I am sick of your praises and singing Peter, I want to see justice flow to the sexual abuse victims like a river. I am sick of watching you praise me with your lips and mouth and seeing your heart far from me, as you follow the imagination of your own heart. I am sick of watching you subtly manipulate Maria to achieve your own ways, for you think that nobody sees the imaginations of your own heart and your motives, but I know your heart and I know your ways. I am warning you Peter, you have less than 2 years to repent. You must publicly denounce the teachings of sex which inspired so much sexual abuse, and you must humbly admit you were committing wickedness and strengthening the hands of molesters and evil doers. You must repent to be saved, my wrath abides on you Peter and just like my Holy Spirit struck down Ananias with a heart attack, so too does my Holy Spirit wait to give you a heart attack. Repent before its too late you worker of iniquity!

I the Lord have spoken.
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From Jesus Crust
Thursday, September 06, 2007, 14:37

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I hath not comissioned thee to do shit, thou ass hat! And thy psychotic ramblings fall far from edifying. Be thou removed, yea find thee a sea somewhere and cast thyself into it.

Jesus.... out!

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From cheeks
Thursday, September 06, 2007, 12:46

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You are a fucking freak and are not wanted her go away and get a life and some medication, for the love of all things holy. God is not speaking to you. You are delusional and psychotic. Get some help.(reply to this comment
From James_Massa
Thursday, September 06, 2007, 12:52

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"The prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is insane."(Hosea 9:7)


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From cheeks
Thursday, September 06, 2007, 12:54

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Ha I am in the chat come and face me like a man.
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From cheeks
Thursday, September 06, 2007, 12:49

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Oh one more thing, don't you know God only speaks in the kings English? (reply to this comment
From AndyH
Thursday, September 06, 2007, 12:50

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Blasphemy! He only speaks Latin! (reply to this comment

from SeanSwede
Monday, July 23, 2007 - 14:47

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amster dam Peter the dam master
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From Rodents Inc.
Monday, July 23, 2007, 21:43

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I prefer the moniker Peter Hamsterdamned

Especially since he has a whole troop running around endlessly on hamster wheels.(reply to this comment

from ......
Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 05:06

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Say someone does have info.....how would one know you are not working for Amsterdam?
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From Samuel
Sunday, July 22, 2007, 05:09

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Since you didn't name yourself at all and only go by "from", how would one know that YOU are not working for Amsterdam?(reply to this comment
From Kelly
Sunday, July 22, 2007, 10:45

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You wouldn’t know would ya... Sammy? LOL! Then again, I am not the one asking for the info......a little paranoid there, sunny? (reply to this comment

from this is just priceless
Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 08:03

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esp as Australia have been front runners just recently in exposing TF and has given more coverage than certain other countries.


Prophecies of the Future for the Family International

By James Massa
James Massa lives in Australia and is a former witch who became a born again Christian when he was 23 years old. He writes about meeting Jesus Christ face to face and receiving tremendous propheces of the future of the Family International. They are absolutely tremendous!
Recently I was in the park in prayer and Jesus Christ appeared to me in the park, He started talking to me and told me to go and sit on the park bench as He wanted to tell me something. I walked over to the park bench and sat down whilst Jesus stood in front of me, I praised Jesus as the Lord as I looked upon him in all his beauty and splendor, and I listened intently as he gave me revelations and prophecies about the future.
He said He was particularly going to give me prophecies about a Christian discipleship group called "The Family". "The Family" was founded by David Berg, also known as Moses David, and The Family is currently lead by David's wife Maria.
When I sat on the park bench Jesus told me that big things were going to happen with Maria and The Family. Jesus put visions into my mind and in one vision I saw a gigantic white castle that was Maria's house, the castle was built upon a very tall hill and a city surrounded it, and Maria ruled the city which surrounded her castle as a Queen.
Surrounding the white castle which was exalted upon a hill were many homes and a great city. Although there were homes and a city surrounding the hill the castle was built on, there were also farms within the city and lots of countryside. I saw visions of Maria sitting upon a throne in the castle, and I saw different people coming in and out of the castle and taking orders from Maria, Maria seemed to be the governess and Queen of this great city that surrounded her castle.
I saw visions of Maria wearing a crown and wearing royal garments with different royal and majestic colors upon it. Maria sat upon a throne and next to her were seated other advisors and people; that helped her rule the city that surrounded her castle.
The homes and city that surrounded Maria's castle consisted of homes where members of The Family International dwelled. Maria was given her own city to rule and The Family was given its own city to dwell in. This city would be set up before the coming of Christ on earth. When I first saw these visions I thought they were visions of the future after Christ's return, but I was told by Jesus that this city would be setup before His second coming. This giant city that surrounded a castle where Maria dwelt would be the main sanctuary or place in the wilderness; where all the true Christians would dwell when the Anti-Christ rolls out the Mark of the Beast.
Maria would govern her own city that surrounded her castle, but she would also appoint a Prime Minister of the country where the city was situated. Jesus has told me that this city which Maria will govern from a castle on a hill would be located in Tamworth/Australia; Tamworth is located 420km north of Sydney and is a large country town known for its agriculture and its passion for country music, as the Australian country music festival is held there every year.
A friend of mine who has also been called to the office of Prophet, visited Tamworth sometime ago, and he was told by a man of God over there, that God showed him the Church of Philadelphia would be situated in Tamworth, my friend also stated that he believes the Church of Philadelphia would be located in Tamworth.
David Berg, the founder of The Family, has written in his writings numerous times that God revealed to him that The Family is the church of Philadelphia. "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write, 'These things says He who is holy, He who is true, "He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens." (Revelation 3:7). David Berg wrote on a number of occasions that the key of David represented him, his ministry and the church of disciples he founded back in the 1960's.
I have personally sat down with David Berg while drinking coffee with another friend of mine. I was sitting down having coffee when suddenly I could feel a presence sitting in a chair situated next to me, my friend then told me David Berg was sitting next to us, David Berg then entered my friend's body and begun having a conversation with me through my friend.
I asked David through my friend what happened with his son. David then spoke through my friend and told me Ricky killed himself and another person because Satan had him targeted as one of the two witnesses. Now my friend had no idea David's son killed himself and someone else, so that is just confirmation that David Berg was speaking through my friend, as my friend could not have thought all this up in his own mind, as he was unaware of the true circumstance behind what I was asking. I then asked David what his role was in regards to the coming revival; that would shake the nations of the world before Christ's second coming. David told me that he laid a lot of the groundwork for what was going to happen in this last revival before Christ's return. So if the Church of Philadelphia is supposed to be Christ's most holy and sanctified church, its clear that this church would play a key role in the final revival before Christ second coming.
The Family has many prophecies from its own members and Maria herself; that The Family would be involved in creating many sanctuaries throughout the world for Christians to flee to when the Mark of the beast comes out. However there will be one sanctuary that will make up one whole country, the country and entire land of Australia will become a sanctuary, and its capital city will be located in Tamworth where Maria will govern the whole country as a Queen from. Australia will govern as a Monarchy with Maria as the Queen and making most of the decisions, and she will appoint a Prime Minister over the whole country. So Australia will be governed and dominated by The Family with Maria as its ruler, Australia will become The Family command centre as its from this country, they will facilitate and maintain the different sanctuaries throughout the whole world. The Family will also need a nation to defend itself and its leader when they clash with the Anti-Christ and his followers.
Australia will be protected with signs, wonders and supernatural manifestations that will exceed the signs and wonders God did through Moses. The Anti-Christ will declare war on Australia once The Family takes control over Australia. Much of the world will call Maria the Anti-Christ once she starts ruling Australia as a Queen, whilst Maria and The Family tell the real beast he is rightfully the Anti-Christ. Australia will become the new holy land for Gods people, as the land is ruled with love and justice, and the whole country will emulate the church of Acts,
As I sit here and write this Prophecy Jesus Christ is standing before me in a white robe and a purple sash on, its hard to believe and difficult to fathom as this prophecy is of such a great magnitude, but Jesus reassures me that this is true and this prophecy is as good as Gods word as it's going to be fulfilled with all: truth, signs and wonders. Maria and The Family are going to topple the Australian government and take over the whole nation, with help from some real fire breathing Prophets of Doom, as the Lord raises up some mighty people to deliver The Church of Philadelphia into the Promised Land.
After Jesus appeared to me in the park and told me how Maria would rule a nation from a white castle upon a hill, when I got home Jesus appeared to me again and he told me to go to a Bible verse, when I opened up my Bible I was shocked to read this verse:

1 Chronicles 11:7-8
7 And David dwelt in the castle; therefore they called it the city of David.
8 And he built the city round about.

I was in such shock when I read this I went and told my friend the whole scenario of what happened, I showed him the verse in the Bible and told him that Jesus gave me this monumental prophecy for The Family and when he read the verse, he told me that The City that surrounded the white castle that Maria dwelled in would be called, "The City of David", because it was named after the founder of The Family, "David Berg"(The Key of David). This is exactly what Jesus showed me when he directed me to the above verse, so having my friend say this was confirmation of what the Lord had shown me. "By the mouth of two or three witnesses the matter shall be established." (Deuteronomy 19:15)
As a former witch it's no big deal to have a spirit appear before me and manifest and talk to me, I often wonder why God would use someone like me and appear to me so often. The Apostle Paul was just like me, he was on the wrong team but God appeared to him and converted him, just like Paul I have been blessed many times with seeing the Lord even though I played on the wrong side for a while. Jesus is starting to appear to me all the time, and because I have been involved in witchcraft I test the spirits all the time.
The Family is just wandering in the wilderness at the moment, but they will soon be delivered into the Promised Land with great signs and wonders.

http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/articles/james_massa_prophecies.html
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From Hansel
Sunday, July 22, 2007, 20:52

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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.” -- Seneca (reply to this comment
From exfamily
Sunday, July 22, 2007, 03:09

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It's the drugs.(reply to this comment
From figaro
Saturday, July 21, 2007, 16:01

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WOW! The complete and utter BULLSHIT that this guy is making up, and these people actually BELIEVING it is astounding! I guess if you only have what you have heard from Berg, Zerby and other leaders in TF about the outside world to go on then you would believe just about anything. But if you know anything about the real world, about drugs, organized crime, witchcraft or anything thing else he talks about it wont take long to know this guy is full of SHIT! He contradicts himself several times, even in the same paragraph. If you read his whole bullshit page, and follow the time lines you see that he couldn't have been in the "occult" for more then 2 years. If this so called "occult" could summon demons (I'm not saying they can or they cant, I don't know) they sure as hell aren't going to allow someone who is that "young in the spirit" or has only been a member of their "coven" for as short a time as him, to participate in that serious of a ritual. Especially if he has doubts, and if they summon demons they can tell if someone has doubts. Thats like asking me to believe that an errand boy that has been in the mafia for 2 years, was asked to participate in a sit down between a Don and his wiseguys. COME ON!!

Some people may be naive enough to buy this shit, but some of us have brains!(reply to this comment
From SeanSwede
Saturday, July 21, 2007, 01:27

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WOW THAT WAS PRICELESS Karen Zerby, you are more than welcome to suck my dick whenever you feel like it. But youll have to put up with the bitch slappin you at the same time though....serioulsy!(reply to this comment

From Falcon
Wednesday, July 18, 2007, 05:53

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I think somebody's been reading too much 'Lord of the Rings'. (reply to this comment
From conan
Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 11:30

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Whatever. This guy is off his rocker. If he could figure a way to get me some of the acid he's clearly on, that would be sweet!(reply to this comment
From vix
Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 11:36

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I personally think it's a sign. Just for me. Not so long ago i was seriously considering witchcraft as a nifty little hobby, and here's a real-life ex-witch! I think it's time to bring out that book on Wicca.

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From vix
Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 11:38

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And I think I'm also supposed to move to Oz and hang out with rainy, tiger and neez.

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From Samuel
Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 11:45

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Great, and James Japan can be the scarecrow that has no brain!(reply to this comment
From Phoenixkidd
Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 08:30

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Hillarious!! although not quite on the topic, can't believe cult members are so easily decieved. (reply to this comment
from AndyH
Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 20:22

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Are you kidding me? Could someone more bored than me please plaster this guy with xfamily.org links, so he doesn't keep asking obvious questions.
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From vix
Sunday, July 15, 2007, 03:55

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I'm sure I qualify as being more bored than you. Unfortunately I'm also terrifically lazy, so you'll get no help from me.

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From JohnnieWalker
Saturday, July 14, 2007, 20:59

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From what I understand, mas is looking for specific cases of sexual abuse by Peter Amsterdam and people who were either his victims or witnessed the abuse.

The only accounts of abuse by Peter A. on xfamily.org (http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Steven_Douglas_Kelly) are those already mentioned by mas in his article.(reply to this comment
from you mean
Friday, July 13, 2007 - 23:28

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The Peter Amsterdam F******r?
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