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Japanese Levi/Dust

from porceleindoll - Friday, January 27, 2006
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The SGA's that I refer to in this post wish to remain
anonymous. If you have a response, please try to do so
without exposing the identity of those who were
abused. You can also contact me through my profile if
you have any questions.

It has come to my recent attention about the particularly perverted behavior of a Japanese disciple in the cult during the 80's and 90's. I have heard from more than one source about his sexual deviancy and behavior towards a number of young girls, I have heard about this not just from the girls themselves but from other SGAs who were in the same childcare group and who knew what this man was up to.

I am trying to follow his tracks as he traveled
through the Family in Japan, and any information,
memories or help would be much appreciated, as well as personal information about him. Here is what I have so far. Feel free to leave the information here or to write me personally at:

porceleindoll@yahoo.com.

Thank you! If any Family people reading this would like to contribute information regarding this, I would particularly like to hear from:

Ginny Rudow (long-time teen shepherd at HCS, who later heard about this incident from one of the girls)

Abner (Chris--long-time CRO in Japan, moved to US in
90's)

Josiah (long-time CRO in Japan, moved to Africa)

Ezra Rudow (long-time leader in Japan during that time and after)

Maggie/Lori Yamaguchi

Ricky (long-time HCS teen shepherd)

Elaine (long-time HCS teen shepherd who spoke to one
of the victims regarding an incident of rape)

Ado (one of original HCS teen shepherds)

Peter (married to Karen Zerby--shepherd at HCS during
this time period)

Any of the Japanese local leaders at the time, or
Osaka local leaders at the time (sorry, I don't know
who this would be)

Joseph and Heaven (teachers who took over the FLAMES
group after the above man had been there)

Martin O (brother of Ricky, who spoke to one of the
victims about an instance of rape)

Esther Berg (who spoke to one of the victims about an
instance of rape

And of course any of the SGAs who were in the HCS
"FLAMES" group and witnessed child molestations and
rapes. Anyone at the Osaka School who knew about the
about instances of sexual abuse.

Family Name: Japanese Levi AKA Dust (married to
Japanese Joy)
Legal Name: Unknown, but would like to know
Description: Japanese Male, middle aged, wore thick
glasses.
Lived in (besides other places):
-- Kamakura Lim (Childcare overseer)
-- HCS School (Childcare group)
-- Osaka School (Childcare)

Known offenses:
Responsible for the extensive, severe and long-term
molesting and rape of at least one child (aged between 7-8)at the HCS during his time there in (88?).
Responsible for the molestation and sexually
inappropriate behavior toward other young girls in the same group (ages 6-8). Also knocked several children unconscious with "the cobra" or his fist.

Was at some point demoted to babe's status due to his
sexual behavior with minors, though exactly what he
was caught and punished for is not clear.

There is some confusion here as he seems to have been
excommunicated (or put on babes status) and later
reinstated as a full time member. He was recently
(within the last few years) excommed for his sexual
tendencies with minors, at least this is what I heard, though it may be a rumor. I would like to know exactly what he was kicked out for, and the year.

Information desired:
1. Legal Name
2. Where anyone remembers living with him and if
possible the year/month
3. Why he was excommunicated and what city he was in
when it happened
4. Shepherd at the time
5. Why he was sent from the HCS to Osaka, and later
demoted to babe's status
6. Is his wife Joy still in the group, if so, where? I do not want to harass her in any way or form, but I
would like to contact her and ask her for his legal
name. That much would make me happy.
7. A photo if anyone has one

If any Family people are reading this, this is a
straightforward request for your help in uncovering
the truth about what a man did to the children in his
care. These children were supposed to be protected,
they weren't. Please don't play the 'dumb' game or
ignore this request. As long as this man is free more
children are likely to suffer sexual molestation or
rape. Pedophilia is an illness and must be treated.
Levi AKA Dust is a repeat offender and must not be
allowed to be around young girls, in or out of The
Family. I am applealing to you to help protect more
children from being hurt.

Thank you.
Porceleindoll

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from porceleindoll
Monday, February 27, 2006 - 16:16

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I received this recently from someone who lived with Levi/Dust (maybe we should nickname him Lust) at the Osaka school after he left the HCS:

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Levi - I lived with him when he was demoted onto babe's status for abusing some kids. I believe that he was 'doing' shit to them during nap time. He was an MC teacher. One teen found a computer that her mom had typed the report out on and Becky read the report about it. Levi never did anything to me per say, he was just a creep. This is the one story I will never forget until the day I die:

For some reason he was supposed to give us teens a class. we were all on top of the roof in a circle for a discussion about growing up. There were only less than 10 of us up there. We were reading those "growing up" books the family published (but not all original family work). Becoming God's Man or Being God's Woman, or something like that. Do you remember? They talked about menstruation, hair, etc. Well, Levi read us the part about periods (hello - we all already had our period, I was 16 years old!) and when he was done he put the book down and said "You know, once you get married or have a mate, sometimes that mate is going to want sex because they are horny and you might be on your period. You can't have sex when you are on your period but you still need to have sacrificial love. So, if you're on your period and your mate or another brother want to have sex, you should just give them a blow job instead. Have them wash their penis really well and then you can suck on it instead of having intercourse ..."

Naturally I was totally shocked and disgusted. I'm thinking "Is this sex ed" ... No one had ever said that to me before and us girls just rolled our eyes. I chalked that one up to a creepy pig.


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from Whatzup?
Friday, February 17, 2006 - 10:57

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On your list of names of leadership who were there at the time, you asked about, "Any of the Japanese local leaders at the time, or Osaka local leaders at the time (sorry, I don't know who this would be)" the only one that comes to mind is your husband, Art, who was a top leader for some time. If you're looking for names, that might be the place to start.
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From porceleindoll
Friday, February 17, 2006, 17:12

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Actually, I have asked him, which is why I didn't put him on the list. Thanks for your tip though.(reply to this comment
From Whozup?
Friday, February 17, 2006, 14:28

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Are you the Tonya Harding look-alike known as Claire Borowik, or are you merely a henchperson of hers? By the way, I know someone interested in setting up a 3-way wrestling match (mud or oil, not sure yet) with Tonya Harding, Paula Jones and Claire Borowik. If it's good, they'll also sponsor a blow-out match between various permutations of Zerby, Jones, Harding and Borowik. We'll see who has the best teeth THEN!(reply to this comment
from Joe H
Monday, February 13, 2006 - 15:10

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I remember him well. A pervert and a sadist. I remember him fingering one of the girls regularly at naptime, that is when he wasn't circling the room to bonk anyone who moved on the head. Another time he had the girls rub talcum powder on his ass because he had heat rash, or so he claimed. He belongs in prison.

It wasn't until mid-1990 that I even knew what sexual abuse was, but I do remember thinking that he probably shouldn't have been fondling little girls. In the real world, children as young as 4 are taught that adults aren't allowed to touch them in certain areas or in any way that makes them uncomfortable, and that if it happens, they should tell their parents or another "safe" adult immediately. We were given no such training. In about 1990, we were read a bunch of system material about sex and child abuse, but I think the poor deluded fool only did it so we'd have an answer to him that asked of us, having blocked out the possibility that there were perverts in the cult, too.

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From porceleindoll
Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 02:17

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Thanks Joe for the contribution. My kids definitely know that noone is allowed to touch them in any way that makes them feel weird, I hope it never happens to them! I've heard the same thing you said about not even knowing what SA even was until being older. One person told me they didn't even know that what had happened to them was abuse cause it was so common and normal, they just assumed it was alright. Not until they left the group and had children of their own did they realize the extent of what had happened to them.

Anyway, thanks again!(reply to this comment
from 36DD
Friday, February 03, 2006 - 23:09

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New on this site...

This is all very exciting. Hope you don't mind if I jump right in.
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from Bella
Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 08:09

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Sis - I lived with this freak in the Osaka School when he got demoted to babes status for his perverted crap! I need to run but will write you about this later on in the day.
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from porceleindoll
Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 14:56

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I received this email from one of the children in that group who wishes to remain anonymous:

I was surprised to hear you bring up Levi, I try not to think about that time so much.

I was 6, I want to say it was at the HCS, but I'm not sure, all the dates are fuzzy to me. But I know I was 5-6 because I remember my 6th birthday because we had watermelon, and I put a rind up against my face like a >giant smile and he spanked me for being foolish. I also remember that he >was the first person to ever hit me in the face, it had always been just traditional spankings before that. I was terrified of him, he had it out >for me for some reason, he used to pull me out of bed and beat the shit out of me because I wasn't asleep yet. I was so confused. He was very touchy with all the girls. One in particular whose name I forget, I used to have nightmares about him fucking her, recently my brother verified that it had happened very regularly. He like to spank her nude in front of the whole class. He also orchestrated a lot a sexual activity between us kids. We would draw names from a hat and pair up. I also remember he would have all the boys sit in a circle and all the girls would dance naked.

I'm sorry for going on, I'm sure this is stuff you already have heard of, I don't have any of the information you're looking for, but anything you find out I would like to know as I am very curious. He is the most significant figure in my childhood and I would really like to see him prosecuted.

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from Yikes!
Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 07:59

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Wow! After reading all the comments below, this is turning into one big cluster fuck! Is it Chip? No, it isn't. Is it fat Dust or skinny Dust, married to Meekness or Sunshine, 24 kids or 10 kids. If anything comes out of this post at all, I dare say it can be considered reliable. Sounds like a good place for a lot of disjointed pieces to come together into one big story that never happened.
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From Yikes!
Friday, February 03, 2006, 22:41

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Sorry, I meant to say, "it can't be considered reliable". Not the other way around.(reply to this comment
From porceleindoll
Wednesday, February 01, 2006, 14:25

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I don't understand where you're coming from. To clarify, which is actually really very clear in my post:

JAPANESE LEVI who was later (reply to this comment

From porceleindoll
Wednesday, February 01, 2006, 14:25

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I don't understand where you're coming from. To clarify, which is actually really very clear in my post:

JAPANESE LEVI who was (reply to this comment

From porceleindoll
Wednesday, February 01, 2006, 14:25

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I don't understand where you're coming from. To clarify, which is actually really very clear in my post:

JAPANESE LEVI who (reply to this comment

From porceleindoll
Wednesday, February 01, 2006, 14:25

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I don't understand where you're coming from. To clarify, which is actually really very clear in my post:

JAPANESE LEVI w(reply to this comment

From porceleindoll
Wednesday, February 01, 2006, 14:30

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Damn man, what happened there!?

JAPANESE LEVI who was married to JAPANESE JOY and later changed his name to DUST. This is NOT CHIP or any other DUST. I first met him at the JAPANESE LIM in Kamakura, he moved to the HCS in TATEYAMA hen it was first started as such, was there for a short while, and then moved to the OSAKA school branch. After that I don't know, but I have received information that he was in NAGOYA a few years ago.

The information on his abusive behavior is totally correct. I have contacted nearly all the kids who were in that group, and the only thing I have to say is: "Do you remember when Levi was your teacher?" and the first thing they say is "Oh my God, he was horrid! He was fingering the girls and there was one girl in particular that got raped by him." When you hear almost the same thing 7 different times, you begin to believe there is so veracity to it.

So please, you have no right to disqualify anyone's story here. At least you can try to determine if it's true or not before making a statement that equals a dismissal of the events as false.(reply to this comment

From Yikes!
Friday, February 03, 2006, 22:43

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I wasn't referring to your information being incorrect, pd. I'm talking about the Chinese telephone we see before us in these comments. No disrespect intended toward whatever you're trying to achieve.(reply to this comment
From porceleindoll
Saturday, February 04, 2006, 00:14

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I see what you mean, but I think that the person below is accurate in saying it's helping us to come to the right information. It's helping people sort it out, and it's true that there were so MANY people by the same name, and changing their names, that it's hard to track someone down and easy to get them mixed up with someone else.

But I know who I'm looking for and am filtering through things coming my way in order to find 'Levi'. It's a start, if I hadn't decided to make this public, I would have virtually 0 information about him, as it is I at least have tracked him to 3-years ago, despite the confusion over just who he (was/is). Thanks for the concern over the mixed up information.(reply to this comment

From
Saturday, February 04, 2006, 00:09

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Can we cut the racially loaded expressions?

It seems to me that the comments are helping to arrive at a correct identgification by asking questions and discarding incorrect information.(reply to this comment

From AndyH
Wednesday, February 01, 2006, 12:57

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Wow! Two people in the cult having the same name! That proves there was no abuse! I seem to remember using last initials because there were so many of the same name. i.e. Sam A. Sam S. Sam P. Sam H.

How the fuck do you know it never happened? And why do you care? Who the fuck are you? You fucking coward. You would like the fact that it was a long time ago, and that the information is limited to get in the way of a little justice taking place for once. Lets hope it doesn't. A little girl was raped, don't you care? You are a piece of shit. Die slowly.(reply to this comment

From EyesWideShut
Friday, February 03, 2006, 22:55

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You first, cocksucker.(reply to this comment
From EyesWideShut
Friday, February 03, 2006, 22:58

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Haha! This flaming stuff is fun. I think I'll take on a new identity and just piss people off for the fun of it. Yikes!, whoever you are, you're makin'em mad.(reply to this comment
From PopNFresh
Thursday, February 02, 2006, 20:48

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...and painfully.(reply to this comment
From Yikes!
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From 36DD
Friday, February 03, 2006, 23:06

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Lol! Whoopin' dat trick suckin'? Or perhaps da trick whooped you!(reply to this comment
From Mr.T
Monday, February 06, 2006, 08:42

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MR.T DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THIS!!! http://movingon.org/gallery2.asp?ID=2316


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From Mr.T
Monday, February 06, 2006, 08:42

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MR.T DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THIS!!! http://movingon.org/gallery2.asp?ID=2316


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From
Wednesday, February 01, 2006, 17:10

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Right on. A cult that changes its names for secrecy the way it does, to thwart its victims, has no call to complain when we are forced to tackle the roadblocks it installed.(reply to this comment
From Yikes!
Friday, February 03, 2006, 22:51

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Er? Lol. So quick to get up in arms and so eager to be angry. Oh so angry. Read my post again. There was no sarcasm (only a spelling mistake that sounded like sarcasm), and no disrespect toward PD or her intent. I was amuzed at the confusion in the comments. I am still amuzed. BITE ME!(reply to this comment
From vixen
Saturday, February 04, 2006, 05:21

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I suppose I can understand that you'd be slightly perturbed by the angry reactions to your comment, particularly if you did indeed mean it to be an innocent joke, all in good fun, etc etc. I think there is a case to be made for those who took your comment seriously, though - It can be infuriating and soul-destroying in equal measures to feel as though one's suffering is dismissed offhand. It's also well-known that the use of Bible names in TF is one of the biggest obstacles faced by those who are trying to fight for justice now, as it seriously limits efforts to find and prosecute those individuals who were directly responsible for instances of abuse, so you touched on a raw nerve, I'm sure. Furthermore, your comment came across as smug and unconcerned, and that can be very hurtful to those who suffered badly. I think maybe you need to examine what some of the possible reasons are, for that 'eagerness to be angry'. (reply to this comment
From with you 100%
Saturday, February 04, 2006, 13:15

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Not just use of "Bible names," but multiple Bible names in many cases!!!(reply to this comment
From 36DD
Friday, February 03, 2006, 23:07

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Ohhh, me first, me first!(reply to this comment
From Mr.T
Monday, February 06, 2006, 08:38

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STUPID POSTIN MAKE MR.T MAD!!! http://movingon.org/gallery2.asp?ID=2317


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from An ex-OC girl
Tuesday, January 31, 2006 - 11:11

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I was in Osaka in '89 and was in Uncle Levi's OC group. I don't have any truly vivid memories of him, although I remember he had a lot of "shiner charts" set up and at the end of the "term" there would be a shiner-prize laden desk at the front of the class from which the winners would pick their prize. I remember a lot of boring afternoons of U. Dan's Math videos. I don't remember him being weird, at least with me (a female), and when I heard about this I was surprised. I did hate going back to the group after parent time, but I assume every child torn away from the sole hour a week of parental interaction would be similarly distraught.

I can't believe he was only 25 at the time?!
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from Fish
Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 16:50

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Not to be confused with Japanese "Dust" (Yamashita) of "Sunshine". He is harmless in my book.
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from SeanSwede
Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 14:37

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I know good and well who "u.Levi" was. He was our shepard at the Osaka School as was another shepard going by the name of Eli (of Renč). Eli and them moved later on to Argentina. Funny tho`I didnt get any negative impressions about him. But how could a brainwashed 15 yr old like my self at the time see or hear anything that was wrong? I dont really remember seeing anything..or do I? He was a little strange tho`when I come to think of him. He told us 2 stories once. First when he was a baby living with his parents, they had these little baby kittens which where newly born. One day Levi`s mother was shocked to find him in a room with the kittens nursing his penis...seeing that they where blind the kittens thought that it was the mother kitten although I guess that they couldnt tell the differens...presumably.

I dont really know why he would tell us a story like that. The other story was when he was pretty new to The Family. He was supposed to get some kind of sex education. He was told to sitt in a room and watch a couple have sex on a bed in front of him. Again, I dont know why he told us that story.

I take it that he was most likely a sexual pervert of some kind. I wonder what the girls of that time have to say about their experiences about having him as a JETT shepard. I do remember vividly all of the JETTS who lived there at the time.
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From Osaka School Stays on my Mind
Monday, January 30, 2006, 08:30

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That's right, I remember that story about being taught some kind of Se>< ed as a new disciple. I thought it was funny at the time, but all the people he told were kids from 10 on up. Nuts. I remember his other long stories about taking care of dogs, running sleds etc..pretty run of the mill boring things I thought back then. (reply to this comment
From was there too
Sunday, January 29, 2006, 17:30

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I was at Osaka for several years and remember Levi well. I remember the second story you mentioned about the sex demo as he harped on that over and over.

As far as his excommunication, I recall that at one stage he actually excommunicated himself for being "self righteous" for about 30 days, then was back to normal after that. He would come for "devotions" with a bunch of cotex's painted red to show that our pride was like "mentrous rags".

I am not using my name here to protect my brother and sister who were in his MC group and were assaulted by him on many occasions. The sister of one of my friends at the time was also the target of his frequent "quiet time" visits and was made to share his bed for naps all too often.

I don't recall him ever going by the name of Dust, that was another Japanese fellow I believe.(reply to this comment

From Buttheads younger bother
Tuesday, February 14, 2006, 02:35

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Menstrual rags, self-excommunication, porn - this guy rocks!(reply to this comment
from Oddman
Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 04:27

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There were so many "Dust" around, so I'm not sure who this one is. A Japanese "Dust" was an active CM member around 00 or 01? He was in the process of recording a TF CD in Japanese. He visited the TF commune in Shiojiri city, and heard my mother was living one city away. Apparantly, they knew each other as musicians from the 80's, and he wanted her to do vocals on his CD. My mother was already out of TF, and didn't record the CD. Short thin fellow with a narrow jaw, and sort of off the planet manner of speech. Very heavily indoctrinated. Not very old. Mid-40's?

"Chip" was in the same Shiojiri area in the late 90's. I think he briefly stayed in TF communes in Shiojiri and Matsumoto, as a visiting IT guy. He also visited my Mother while there.
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From Osaka School Stays on my Mind
Monday, January 30, 2006, 08:34

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No, that guy you are referring to as "Dust" is not the same person. Levi wasn't skinny and no musician, although he did play guitar for kids. (reply to this comment
from Osaka School Stays on My Mind
Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 10:47

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I worked with Levi, on several occasions. He was quite heavy handed but geez when working with up to thirty, 7 to 10 year olds, 24 hours each day, it is quite understandable, that he was strict. He spoke English very well, Joy barely a word. They seemed like a nice couple. At the time he was about 25 years old in 1988. I had absolutely no knowledge of the babe status or his tendencies for young girls! This is all quite shocking to me. I must have left Osaka before he was put on babe status. That was such a wierd time, at the school period the cult was trying to move aggressively further from the single, free-lovin hippie lifestyle, into a more sedate child related atomosphere. Ironically the later was completely against the social mores that we all were taught and the literature we continued to read!! This caused alot of angst and frustration among the teenagers at the time and all sorts of ironies, such as a teen shepherd having a se***** relationship with a 14 year old!! And this was supposedly condoned by upper shepherds? You can imagine the questions that were raised in everyone's minds.

When I think of Osaka I think of some very strange things going on that I would later hear about through the grapevine, so much was kept secret. I am glad I don't have to live like that or see any of my brothers or sisters growing up in that crowded, crazy atmosphere.
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From one of those thirty, when I was 6
Tuesday, January 31, 2006, 12:21

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Strict is an understatement, he was a fucking sadist. Maybe you weren't on his bad side like I was. He is the worst memory of my life.(reply to this comment
From porceleindoll
Saturday, January 28, 2006, 17:03

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A group of 30 kids 24/7 would be a challenge to anyone, but Levi was like this at the HCS with a group of just 10 or so.

The '80s were a weird time for the cult, you have to admit. (reply to this comment
from
Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 08:00

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Levi.....not chip...although he is another prick, was excommunicated in April 05'
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From porceleindoll
Saturday, January 28, 2006, 17:05

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If you were able to elaborate a bit more, or write me if you like, I would really appreciate it. For instance, where was he livign when exed, for what offence specifically, who was the shepherd that handled it, things like that? (reply to this comment
from Baxter
Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 04:04

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This is 'Chip' you're talking about here, right?


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From porceleindoll
Saturday, January 28, 2006, 17:04

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Not Chip, different person. Chip was older, he was together with Meekness, mother of Pepe and 2 others. Dust was younger and always worked with children.(reply to this comment
From Tom the Wankster
Saturday, January 28, 2006, 05:31

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Chip as in "uncle geek"?(reply to this comment

From Baxter
Saturday, January 28, 2006, 06:04

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I didn't realise he was like that; didn't know he had any violence in him; shows how much i know about ppl.(reply to this comment

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