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Getting Out : Creeps
New info on Maria's investment in her parents retirement home. | from steam - Monday, February 07, 2005
accessed 7307 times I posted this as a comment, but thought I would just submit it as an article. Alright, I clicked on the link for the retirement home that Zerby's parents own. It is run by her sister and her husband (or Zerby's brother and his wife, I didn't get which was which). Basically I identified myself and explained that with the news reports concerning their Grandsons death, claims were flying around the internet that Karen Zerby had a major financial stake in the operation, and I found it unlikely (at the time I actually did) but I figured the easiest way to put these rumors to rest would be to straight up ask if it was true. I was told "our answer is no comment". I said that it would be a lot simpler if the rumour really was untrue to just say so and lay the claims to rest, and that I would take no comment as not being willing to lie that it isn't true. I again was told "I can only reply no comment on that". Well I don't know any exact numbers or the intricacies of the relationship, but I think a pretty obvious logical assumption is that there is a financial relationship, and it is one that they do not want brought to light, which means they have something to hid!! Anyway it was an interesting conversation to be sure.
PS: If a family member reads my claim about my conversation with elderhaven and doubts it in anyway, they need only phone themselves, and ask them to either deny or confirm that Karen Zerby was the "angel investor" in the operation. Of course I realise you would be scared silly at the idea that somehow leadership might trace that you made the call and you would be in hot water. But do not try to deny what I said without taking five minutes to make a call and find out if it is true. Also if they become concerned about the ramifications of this, since Kelly and Zerby denied any involvement with this home in a family pub, once they realise I have posted this on the internet (and believe me someone in leadership trolls this site several times a day at this point in time) there is a possibility that they might convince the Old folks home to change their tune.
I can easily see following this sort of reasoning to justify lying about it: "Just deny it, it isn't really a lie, Karen Zerby is not legally tied to the establishment, and if she decided to give a gift of several hundred thousand dollars to her parents right at a time they needed money to by this home, it doesn't automatically follow that Karen Zerby is a direct investor". Anyway if you see this shortly after my posting you will almost certainly receive the same answer as I did. |
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Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from Big Sister
Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 08:31
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The current owners of the Oracle Rd. property bought it from someone else
(not the Zerbys) in 1989. I can't find any connection between the current owners or the previous owner to the Zerbys or any Zerby associates. I also don't see a record of the sale of Oracle Rd. by the Zerbys to anyone but that record may exist further back than I have access to.
The Oracle Rd property is now assessed at $1 million and would have a market value higher than that.
Also somewhat interesting is that the address given by the Zerbys in 1983 is a location that is now a school and was previously (as of 1998) a home for wayward youth. This is a facility described as having "140 beds". I cannot find any record of ownership of that property (5234 N. Camino de Oeste) or what the Zerbys might have been doing with that facility in 1983.
I strongly urge more research from public records.
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| from Reposter
Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 12:34
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A Statement from the Directors of Elderhaven
(posted on exFamily, reposted here)
Posted by Bill Deyo on February 09, 2005 at 14:48:59
My name is Bill Deyo. I'm married to Jeannie Zerby, the sister of Karen Zerby. Together Jeannie and I manage Elderhaven, an assisted living home in Tucson, Arizona. The founders of Elderhaven are the Reverend and Mrs. Eugene Zerby.
There have been rumors on various web sites that Karen Zerby purchased or invested in or donated towards the purchase of the Elderhaven property or an apartment for her parents. We have also been receiving phone calls from former Family members asking about this.
In order to put these rumors to rest, I state the following: Karen Zerby did not purchase or invest in or donate toward the purchase of the Elderhaven property or building. She did not purchase or invest in or donate toward the purchase of an apartment for her parents. Neither Karen, nor the Family International has anything to do with Elderhaven. Karen is not a financial investor or privy to the operations of Elderhaven.
Angela Smith was a member of our board of directors. Over the years she had visited Elderhaven a number of times. During these visits she would help in any way she could. She became a dear friend to us, and as such, we asked her to become a member of our board. Angela being a member of the Family International did not play into our decision, she was our friend. She actively helped us and was a true Christian. That is why we invited her to become a member of our board.
Angela Smith was our friend, Ricky Rodriquez was our nephew. We loved them both and we grieve their passing.
The United States Federal Government, Internal Revenue Service, has declared Elderhaven to be a section 501c3 not for profit organization. The State of Arizona and the City of Tucson acknowledge this proclamation.
Information regarding Elderhaven is posted at www.guidestar.org.
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| from snupedawg
Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 09:08
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Nancy's findings regarding cash property purchases by the elder Zerbys are extremely interesting. How much money does a clergyman make? Obviously, not nearly enough to account for this pattern of cash property acquisition. Maybe the elder Zerbys came into some inheritance windfalls or hit the stock market big in the early 80s? We keep coming back to a central question: What is the source of this family's property acquisition funds?
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| | | | from Nancy
Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 08:22
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Zerby's parents have been buying property and paying cash for it since, at least, 1983. See below:
REAL PROPERTY TRANSACTION RECORD
Filings Collected Through:
County Last Updated:
Frequency of Update:
Current Date:
02/09/2005
Source:
, PIMA , ARIZONA
OWNER INFORMATION
Owner(s):
ZERBY EUGENE L
Property Address:
2725 N ORACLE RD
TUCSON AZ 85705-4315
Mailing Address:
5245 N CAMINO DE OESTE
TUCSON AZ 85745-8925
PROPERTY INFORMATION
County:
PIMA
Assessor's Parcel Number:
10709002A
Property Type:
HOTEL, MOTEL
Building Square Feet:
5120
TRANSACTION INFORMATION
Transaction Date:
04/1983
Seller Name:
MAGER HANS K
Sale Price:
$650,000.00
Deed Type:
GRANT DEED
Type of Transaction:
RESALE
Recording Book/Page:
BOOK 7004, PAGE 1197
Construction Type:
RESALE
Purchase Payment:
CASH
TO ORDER ORIGINAL FILINGS OR OTHER RELATED DOCUMENTS, CALL 1-877-DOC-RETR (1-877-362-7387).
END OF DOCUMENT
(C) 2005 Thomson/West. No Claim to Orig. U.S. Govt. Works.
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|  From Nancy
Wednesday, February 09, 2005, 08:25
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It appears that Zerby's parents first acquired the property on which the home sits in 1986 and paid cash for it. See below:
REAL PROPERTY TRANSACTION RECORD
Filings Collected Through:
County Last Updated:
Frequency of Update:
Current Date:
02/09/2005
Source:
, PIMA , ARIZONA
OWNER INFORMATION
Owner(s):
ZERBY EUGENE L
Property Address:
2501 N SOLDIERS TRL
Mailing Address:
TUCSON AZ
PROPERTY INFORMATION
County:
PIMA
Property Type:
MISCELLANEOUS
TRANSACTION INFORMATION
Transaction Date:
09/1986
Seller Name:
UNITED BANK OF ARIZONA
Sale Price:
$295,000.00
Deed Type:
GRANT DEED
Recording Book/Page:
BOOK 7860, PAGE 818
Construction Type:
RESALE
Purchase Payment:
CASH
TO ORDER ORIGINAL FILINGS OR OTHER RELATED DOCUMENTS, CALL 1-877-DOC-RETR (1-877-362-7387).
END OF DOCUMENT
(C) 2005 Thomson/West. No Claim to Orig. U.S. Govt. Works.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From snupeD
Wednesday, February 09, 2005, 09:39
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Zerby has a sister, Jeanne, who is married to Bill Deyo, Elderhaven, Inc's, president/CEO. The Pima County recorder's office shows a number of property acquisitions by a Clark Kent Zerby, who could be related to Maria as a brother or uncle. Arizona genealogy websites might be another good place to start some searches. Also wondering if the Tuscon daily newspaper has an online archive?(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From Jeannie Zerby Deyo's Conclusion
Wednesday, February 09, 2005, 12:42
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http://www.myconclusion.com/archives/2005/02/08/jeannie-zerby-deyo-maria-davids-sister-speaks-out/#more-412
2/8/2005
Jeannie Zerby Deyo Speaks Out!
(Sister to Karen Zerby a.k.a. Maria David, aunt to Ricky Rodriguez)
I met Angela Joy about six years ago. We called her Joy. Such an appropriate name for her. She was a joy to be around. She was undoubtedly one of the most unique people I had ever met. She was a ray of sunshine in our lives. When we had little hope, Joy gave us hope. When we had little faith, Joy gave us faith. With her optimism, and her sweet spirit, anything seemed possible. When she came to visit, the whole atmosphere became charged with her love. With her hugs and “I love you” and her willingness to do whatever was in her power to help and comfort, she transformed our home into a haven of peace and goodwill. The change was so remarkable that we commented on it time and time again. When she would leave, it was like a spark had burned out and only rekindled again when she returned.
I will give you a little background on myself, so you can understand why it is so important that you know why I feel as strongly as I do.
I was raised in a Christian home with three children. My folks were very godly people, and still are, and I have enormous respect for them. As the middle of three girls, I felt I was ganged up on by the other two. We certainly had our battles, and must have made life quite miserable for our parents. At times I was sure I hated my folks for the life they had brought me into, and if I had been able to, I would most assuredly have posted my dissatisfaction on the web. I felt that I couldn’t be like other kids, since I was expected to always set a good example. So I rebelled by doing anything I could to let them know how unhappy I was with my lot. My parents of course really loved us, and only wanted the best for us; they didn’t have any intention of hurting me. But because they were very religious, and they wanted to do their best to raise me in a protective environment, they were more strict than other parents, and so my natural tendency was to just rebel, as do many children against their parents.
When my sister joined the Children of God in the late 60’s I was very bitter toward her. She was my parents’ pride and joy. She had so much going for her. She had a good job, a college scholarship, and brains. Everything I didn’t have, and I was envious. And at the same time, I knew she was breaking my parents’ hearts. My mother cried for days. At the time I don’t think I was really aware of how much it affected them. I was actually happy I didn’t have to put up with her anymore.
Now I realize why she did what she did. She went to church every Sunday and to prayer meeting every Wednesday, but she wanted to do so much more. She wanted to spread the Gospel to people who would not go to a church building to worship.
It was thirty years until I would see my sister again. She had sent her two children to visit their grandparents about 3 years earlier. I will never forget how they called their mother a “saint”. You could tell that they both loved her dearly. I couldn’t quite imagine her to be a saint, but when I met her again after 30 years, all the bitterness I had against her when I was a teenager suddenly vanished and I understood why her children felt the way they did.
I didn’t know Ricky well, I just saw him for a few minutes, three or four times. But I liked him. He seemed sweet and generous. The people that knew him said he was a warm, kind, loving person. Where did that come from? Are we just born that way, or is it a result of our upbringing? Ricky had to get his gentle nature from somewhere. I know it came from his Family teachings. I have to wonder what happened to Ricky in those years after he first came to visit us. He would have been about 20 at the time. Why then 9 years later did he hate his mother so much? He didn’t leave the Family for another 5 years. That would have made him around 24 or 25.
I remember that, when I saw him a couple years after he left the Family and came to visit his grandparents, he was angry he hadn’t gotten the education that he wanted. From what I’ve seen and heard from Family members, I feel that if I had the opportunities that their children had, my own life would have been quite different. Home schooling in the Family doesn’t mean just giving them reading material then go off to work and hope they study while you’re gone. They work hands on with the children; and from what I’ve seen they have some of the smartest kids you’ll ever find.
For example, second generation Family members Darren and Clair and their children (third generation) came to visit and put on a program for our residents. They were amazingly talented, and so well behaved. One resident said that she had never seen such smart children, and she has a couple great grandchildren. So I have a hard time believing kids in the Family don’t get a proper education. I doubt very much that most of the children in the “real world” get anything to compare to it.
I am still in shock and disbelief how this happened. How could anyone in their right mind viciously wipe out such a beautiful life? But we know that Ricky was not in his right mind. His mind was filled with anger and hate. Hate which was applauded, encouraged and fed by other hateful people. He renounced the Lord and started associating himself with people who were bent on destroying the Family. Hate breeds hate. This wasn’t a crime of passion, this was a premeditated murder. Ricky had a choice. Ricky is not a victim, he is not a hero. Ricky is a murderer. I do not hate Ricky for what he did. I feel very, very sad that he was so angry and filled with hate. Those last hours in his life must have been hell. I cry for him. He was part of my family.
I am not disputing the fact that the Family made some mistakes early on. They are the first to admit it and change it. Haven’t we all made mistakes in our lives? I know I have, The Family has done so much good around the world, doing charity work and bringing millions of people to Jesus. Joy was involved in many of those very worthy causes. “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone” (John 8:7).
Joy made us better people just by knowing her. We are grateful and blessed that we were able to have her with us if only for a short time. We grieve for her. But we know that she is happy and still hugging and saying “I love you” to everyone.
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| | | | | | | | From thinker711
Wednesday, February 09, 2005, 15:03
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"At times I was sure I hated my folks for the life they had brought me into, and if I had been able to, I would most assuredly have posted my dissatisfaction on the web. I felt that I couldn't be like other kids, since I was expected to always set a good example."
Is she (if she really even wrote this) actually trying to compare her childhood to ours? Being raised in a Christian home or being a preacher's kid is a far cry from what we experienced.
"Home schooling in the Family doesn't mean just giving them reading material then go off to work and hope they study while youre gone."
Home-schooling in the family is BS. Assigning some high school dropout to teach 30 kids is a joke. Most of our "education" was reading "the Word" and begging for money on the street.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Off the Cuff
Wednesday, February 09, 2005, 14:04
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From the rhetorical style, it feels like the The Family PR folks wrote a statement and got Jeannie to agree to sign off on it. (Or maybe they didn't get her to agree and just went ahead and signed it?) I mean, she sounds like a total cult zombie. Ricky's gentle side came from The Family, and his violent side came as a result of his mind being poisoned by hateful exmembers? It's really hard to believe anyone who has been in the System all her life is capable of making the pervasive thinking errors that characterize this missive.
Jeannie writes as though she's never heard any of the bad press on The Family. Come on, now--FFing constitutes a little more than "a mistake" early on in The Family's history. Furthermore, her "saintly" sister is someone who took up with a married man and had several children out of wedlock. If Jeannie is really a Christian (as she claims), she would have been scandalized by the public information about The Family and her sister that is available to anyone who can read or has a television set. Whether or not one believes the allegations or not, legitimate Christians are not people who give rise to the kind of scandal Karen Zerby has dogging her. The mainstream Christian community will NEVER accept The Family as a member of their club for that reason alone.
Finally, why does Bill Deyo now make a point to deny a financial link between his sister-in-law & Elderhaven? This is something he would neither deny or confirm in a phone call made several days ago by Steam, who posted the original article on the subject.
I question the credibility of these recent internet posts. Someone should call Deyo and ask if he & his wife actually authored these items.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From ack
Wednesday, February 09, 2005, 13:32
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I have a hard time beleiving that Zerby truly beleives anything she says to her "flock". She's just too cynical. It's a comfortable lifestyle that's making her rich, and she'll say what she has to say to insure it's survival. If she truly beleived it her actions would be very different. Christ would be comming any minute making money useless and obsolete. Her God would protect her making her living in hiding unecessary. Nothing her victims ever did would come to fruition, making her fight pointless. No my dearies, she does not beleive it at all.(reply to this comment) |
| | From JohnnieWalker
Wednesday, February 09, 2005, 13:45
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I would tend to disagree with that.
Were she really so cynical I doubt a person of her character could keep up the charade of being a "kind and loving person" (to quote the members of her staff) for very long.
No, I think she truly believes what she preaches. And this is why she is as effective as she is in getting people to accept her one-sided take on practically every topic under the sun.
I believe her polarized view has her so convinced that she is in the right, that the idea of admitting otherwise is inconcieveable.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From Big Sister
Wednesday, February 09, 2005, 09:30
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Other things to explore: it looks to me like the non-profit filings that are open to public view are not correctly filed, if anyone wants to get particular about it. The balance sheets are funky beyond belief, a different CPA firm appears to be used each year and pages of information are missing in some cases.
Next, how about employees? There is little information about employees except in the P/L statement for 2003 which indicates they are using employee leasing. But information about their employment practices for other years are not shown. If it is possible to access employment records (if they are a matter of public record) it may be possible to see who worked there and how much they were paid. Remember that Karen Zerby said that Angela Smith was a regular "volunteer" at Elderhaven.
Great job, Nancy! Let me know if I can help in some way.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | from Big Sister
Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 23:17
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Here is what I gleaned from the sources listed below:
1. In January 1988 the Zerby parents received title to a property (possibly Elderhaven) from Ticor Title company. A review of the title documents may reveal the method of sale such as whether
they were paying off an existing mortgage, paid cash in full for the property or some other means of acquisition.
2. The Zerby parents incorporated Elderhaven in October 1998 as a non-profit corporation. They created Journeys End, LLC (limited liability corporation) on August 24, 1999.
3. The Zerby parents made a quit claim to the real estate (probably Elderhaven) to Journeys End in December 1999. This means they gave up any rights they may have to the property (such as the right of ownership, for example).
4. In 2001 they made quit claim to Journeys End LLC. Again, giving up rights they may have.
5. In 2004 Journeys End made a deed of trust with Compass Bank. This means they borrowed money from the bank, either refinancing or more likely taking a loan against the property.
6. At the same time as the loan is made, a subordination agreement is made with the bank which means that existing loans or mortgages on the property will come second against
this new loan.
7. The Zerby parents are on the boards of both Elderhaven, Inc. and Journeys End, LLC. As long as corporate regulations are followed, funds not co-mingled, records kept, etc. this is not as questionable as it looks.
The questions I have from this are: where did the initial money come from that allowed the title transfer in January 1988 and where did the money go from the bank loan of August 2004?
In order to view the documents discussed above someone has to become a subscriber to the Pima (Arizona) County recorder's office document subscription service. http://159.233.190.51/image_access.html Then you can read the actual documents. I have only made some guesses about the events that may have taken place. This information should be reviewed by a CPA/real estate analyst with experience in Arizona to get the most accurate accounting.
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| | | | From Big Sister
Thursday, February 10, 2005, 12:14
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The Zerbys appear to have purchased a property on Oracle Rd. in Tucson for $650,000.00 in 1983 and the Elderhaven property for $295,000 in 1986, both for cash. So, to calculate the Zerby parents' ages I figure that if Karen is now in her early 50s and her parents might only be in their 70s now. That means that in 1983 they were in their 50s and might have had elderly parents themselves. It's easy to imagine that one of Karen's parents could have inherited money or possibly real estate in the 1980s and used the inheritance for these purchases.
The Oracle Rd. property appears to be owned by someone else now and there is a record of the sale of the property to them back in 1998 but they did not buy Oracle Rd. from the Zerbys. So somewhere between 1983 and 1998 they sold the property. Or maybe they didn't. So, as you can see the picture is not yet clear (at least to me!) There remain some interesting questions to be answered. Among them are questions about the source of the money but also, where the money has gone, and which way it flowed!
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| | | | | from Nancy
Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 17:13
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Click on the following link to the Arizona Secretary of State's website listing for this corporation. You can veiw all their annual reports and accounting, as well as their corporate filings. What is still in question is what is the source of funds?
http://starpas.cc.state.az.us/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/WService=wsbroker1/names-detail.p?name-id=08546824&type=CORPORATION
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| | | | from ErikMagnusLehnsher
Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 15:56
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Kudos to your for your detailed research.
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| from clark
Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 11:36
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I wonder how much her parents actually know about their precious Karen. I wouldn't be suprised if they are totally in the dark about the goings on of their daughter, shall we fill them in?
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| | | | from wondering
Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 10:09
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I'm wondering if Zerby may have invested in the retirement home so that Fam members would have a place to retire?
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| | | | | | | | | | From OR
Tuesday, February 08, 2005, 10:43
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Like she and the other leaders give a toss about the average member. Of course it'll only be for her and her partners in crime. ( Looking back at her record of "care" and "love" shows how much she really cares. Zero)
Spliting up husbands and wifes, Taking their children away from them and eachother, Sexually abusing babies and young children. No docters or dentists, Child labour, selling their posters and tapes, Making the tapes and videos, Looking after all the children due to the no contraceptive rule( a rule she didn't stick by) The list goes on. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | from steam
Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 09:26
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I just wan't to reiterate that Zerby would never have a paper trail tying her to anything at all legally, so going through records is not likely to help much.
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| From former investigative reporter
Tuesday, February 08, 2005, 09:57
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I like to test my assumptions, because it's the only way to determine whether they are correct. If I don't test my assumptions by looking at the evidence (or lack thereof), I'm resting on a belief about reality rather than objective knowledge.
Zerby-Smith left a paper trail where her name change is concerned. Her friend Angela sat on the Elderhaven board of directors. Paper trail there, too. Elderhaven is a private business, so Zerby-Smith has no reason to believe her name would ever become public. Not that many people understand the nursing home business, much less how the public licensure of such a business exposes it to public scruity.
Do you suppose Zerby-Smith would dump a wad of dough into a business owned by her parents and leave herself in the position of having absolutely no way to reclaim any of that money?
If she gave her parents and other family members a chunk of change with no strings attached, why have her old pal Angela sit on the board? It may be that Zerby-Smith's investment in the property reverts back to her through her parents' wills. If that is the case, Zerby-Smith's interest (if any) in the estate could become a matter of public record when the final will is probated.(reply to this comment) |
| | From steam
Tuesday, February 08, 2005, 18:22
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Of course Zerby would dump money into her family no legal strings attached. Remember she doesn't bust her ass for it. She could come up with half a mill and if it was lost it would be absolutely no sweat off her back. Just to buy her families complicity in her scene is worth it, remember they were conservative christians, but money corrupts. Once again she has access to vast funds with zero accountability and no pain if it is lost.(reply to this comment) |
| | From ErikMagnusLehnsher
Tuesday, February 08, 2005, 16:04
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Great thinking. If the wills were publicly available now you would potentially hit a home run. They might still justify it in the sense that most parents leave their stuff to be divided between kids but if there was a set amount that was possibiy equal to what she gave them specified for her that would be the equivilent of a smoking gun.
In a way I am dubious that they would invest money into something like that because they would have to probably physically have to show up to collect, right? Also U.S. Taxes on inheritence (also referred as Death Tax) are pretty high. Giving money to your parents so they can give it back to you usually would result in a net loss unless the parents paid pretty high interest on the loan.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | from stating the obvious
Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 09:08
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This is an excerpt from a GN from Peter Amstersdam : "A few years ago, when Angela was living in Texas, she visited Mama’s
parents, who own a small retirement home. After that, she would visit
once or twice a year. During her visits, she would assist with the old
folks and help in any way she could. In time, Mama’s relatives invited
her to join the board of directors of the retirement home, as it was a
non-profit foundation. She agreed, and from that point on she visited
for board meetings twice a year. Angela’s role on the board was totally
unrelated to her being a member of the Family."
Imagine that, you help out a few times and you get invited to the board of directors. Hey, I got an awesome idea, I'm going to walk into a local business, help out a few times, and I bet they'll want me on the board of directors. There is no reason for Angela to be on that board unless she or someone she was associated with gave a lot of $$$. As far as I knows Angela did not even have a degree, so why would they want someone on their board of directors who could contribute nothing in the way of advice on running their business?
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| from cool8pack
Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 00:32
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What would the email address of this home be? We all may be encouraged to ask the same question via email. Maybe that would help!
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| From former investigative reporter
Tuesday, February 08, 2005, 08:02
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The email addy is: elderhaven@aol.com
Under Arizona regulatory law for facilities of this sort, the owners must file a yearly licensure applicaiton. That application must identify whether the business is a sole proprietorship, corporation, partnership, or limited liability partnership. If it is a partnership or corporation, the name of each partner or names of each corporation officer must be provided in the application.
This information is filed with the Arizona Health Department. Under Arizona Sunshine laws, the AHD licensure records should be public records and accessible to public view. In other words, you can find out whether Katherine Rianna Smith is listed as an owner, partial owner, or corporate officer of an assisted living facility (business property) in Arizona long before Elderhaven's lawyer has time to remove her name from pubic records.
Gaining access to public records takes a bit of skill and perseverance. Here's a resource website for Arizona public records access: http://www.nfoic.org/web/resource/arizona/arizona.htm(reply to this comment) |
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