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Credit Where Credit is Due

from Stitch - Friday, July 23, 2004
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If you were in a "Home" of The Family and had a Social Security number that the Home got ahold of, it may be a good idea to run a credit check and a background check on yourself to make sure that nobody has been doing things in your name without telling you or paying the bills.

A friend left The Family from a U.S. "Home" when in their late teens a few years ago and went to stay with relatives in another country. I will call this person "J".

The U.S. "Home" J had been in had opened a bank account in J's name using J's Social Security number. They were apparently running some kind of payroll operation through it, because unbeknownst to J, they filed a tax return in J's name. Without J's knowledge they also opened a telephone in J's name at an address where J never even lived.

J recently returned to the United States where your Social Security number is required for a number of things. J needs to get an apartment to live in and a car in order to get around and earn a living. J is now unable to do this. J had the nasty surprise that J's credit is ruined. Yep, that phone they opened in J's name shows up as a delinquent bill for more than $300 dollars that has been in collection status for the several YEARS when J was out of the United States.

Shame on whoever did this to J. Not only is using somebody else's identity, name and social security VERY, VERY wrong, but the failure to pay the bills you racked up for a service you ordered behind their back is just plain scummy. I don't care whether you call it "spoiling Egypt" or "fleecing the system" or "use it" or whatever other sorry euphemism you have nowadays! This is a shocking lack of basic human decency from someone in a group of people who portray themselves as so much better than average. Aren't you supposed to be "Christian Missionaries" who try to be kind? Whoever you are, you have left J unable to do some very basic things for years to come. Decent credit is extremely important for living a normal life nowadays. J can't even rent an apartment now, and forget trying to buy a house for a long time.

Thank goodness J has friends who are helping out the meanwhile, but I wanted to post this because there is a chance this could have happened to somebody else. I don't know why that Family "Home" did this, but maybe there were people in the "Home" who didn't want to use their own identity because they have been fingered as creeps or expect to be fingered eventually or because they are "Selah" for some other reason. Maybe it's just because they are irresponsible and don't care about screwing somebody badly for the sake of scamming a few bucks.

So if you were in a Family Home and had a Social Security number and the Home got ahold of it, it may be a good idea to run a credit check and a background check on yourself to make sure that nobody has been doing things in your name without telling you or paying the bills. That way if there's a problem you can start getting it ironed out. This kind of stuff can take a while to fix, so the sooner, the better.

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from elkyle
Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 12:19


an idea:

play dumb. shortly after getting free, apply for a social security card.

possibly you will be simply issued one different from the other. that actually happened to me.

in any case, just say you've never used it, had your hands on it; in fact you weren't aware you even had one. so when any fraud or use by others is revealed you have your best chance for advocacy by those familiar with that pattern.

the dates of use will be key here, especially if you were a little kid... 'J' needs to try applying for a card free and clear, especially as it was NEVER in his control.

it isn't just in alternative groups that this stuff goes on. i know of a girl whose sister ran up hundreds of $ on her credit card, and a guy who's dad sold a valuable collection when he went into the service at 18. and lied.

its hard to face, but a lot of what passes for morality in humans is based on who they think is watching.
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from JohnnieWalker
Monday, July 26, 2004 - 13:25

Unfortunately for the author of this article, this story lacks that essential element of credibility. The lack of a user profile, real names, exact (or at least approximate) locations and dates, etc. tend make such information a little dubious. Care to shed some light on this before we sic our Vandari blood hounds on those bastards?
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From Joe H
Monday, July 26, 2004, 15:45

Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5Average visitor agreement is 5 out of 5(Agree/Disagree?)
He didn't sic the Vandari blood hounds on anyone. He just suggested that former members make sure their identities are not being used by current cultists. (reply to this comment
From JohnnieWalker
Monday, July 26, 2004, 17:54


Yes, Joe. I agree. Actually, I got that the first time I read this article. But thanks for pointing it out anyway.

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my above comment. What I meant was that once there are a few more verifiable facts to work with we can sic the Vandari blood hounds on them (note the use of the word 'we', not 'you', which makes all the difference in this sentence).(reply to this comment

from Joe H
Monday, July 26, 2004 - 12:31

I guess we can add Identity Theft to the list of the Family's crimes, although to be fair to the leadership, I don't think they ever endorsed or promoted this one.
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From informant
Monday, July 26, 2004, 13:34


Actually, on his website James Penn talks about the false identities and passports acquired by many of the people in Berg's home. So while you are correct in stating that they did not promote this, Family leadership has both endorsed and practiced this. to this comment

From Joe H
Monday, July 26, 2004, 15:44

Identity Theft is not the same thing as inventing and using a false identity. (reply to this comment
From informant
Monday, July 26, 2004, 17:54

You'd better read (or re-read) James' letter before saying they invented their identities.(reply to this comment
From passer by
Monday, July 26, 2004, 16:12

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Actually, according to the James Penn account, Zerby and co. did commit identity theft. One of their number visited graveyards in Quebec and got names of people who died young or whatever. Then they applied for passports in those dead persons names, knowing that the person in question would never object -- being dead.

So Family leaders are guilty of stealing identities. Don't forget, the Family person in question was apprehended and convicted.

When you think about it, there are not many crimes that these leaders are NOT guilty of. Real criminals.

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