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from Erin - Monday, August 05, 2002
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from strange
Saturday, February 22, 2003 - 20:38

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where IS this article?
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from It's a long road
Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 17:28

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Wow, where should I start. I can relate to so many of the examples in the above postings, and even though I am in my mid-twenties, I did go through a lot of similar experiences as Erin. I used to try to minimize a lot of what I've been through, and just pass it off as what "any parent would do if they got upset" (when I was still in the Family). I will always remember the day my mind-pattern started to change, when my baby girl was a month old, and I looked at her and realized that no matter how angry I'd get, or what my beliefs where, there was no way I could spank her with a woonden spoon until her little naked body was bruised, and her hands were swollen from getting in the way, or slap her for peeing her pants at 1 1/2, or slap her face for not "looking" at a flash card. That was the day I stopped excusing the first generation for what they'd put me and other kids much younger than myself through, and I realized that no loving parent could act like that towards their child, or a child they claimed to love. What tortures me more than the abuse I experienced is the memories of how I used to discipline my "toddler group" when I was 12. I remember being repremanded for not being strict enough on them, and I would try to do my best by disciplining them for every mistake they would make. My little 1 1/2 yr. old brother who I loved to death was in my group, and one day he stepped on the home shepherd's piece of apple pie by accident, and the shepherd slapped his hand until it was bright red. After getting over his initial anger, he turned to me and started yelling at me, saying that I was more lenient on my little brother than I was on the rest of the toddlers in my group. After this I started slapping him for everything he did, so that it wouldn't look I was spoiling him. I look back at this time with horror, and wish I never would have been given the sole responsiblity of raising little ones when I was so young myself. More than that, I wish that I would have had the courage to stand up and try to protect the little ones instead of just listening and being a "bellweather". When my daughter was born 3 yrs. ago, (I was still in the family) I made sure noone even joked about "spanking" in front of her, as by that time I understood that I had to protect her by making sure she never experiences abuse, and that through protecting her I could in some way start to face up to all that I went through and that I saw little ones going through.
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from Wolf
Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:21

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It's horrible to hear what you went through, Erin. So many people

throughout history have done horrible things thinking they were doing

"God's service".

I'm 27, was born in "the Family" and didn't experience abuse as severe

as Erin describes. Apparantly it was restricted to certain parts of the

world or "homes". I did witness severe punishment, though it was usually

administered with enough restraint to prevent serious bodily harm. As a

15 year old "childcare worker" I myself gave spankings to toddlers --

I'm ashamed and won't attempt to shift the blame. I think the worst I

witnessed was an older man trying to corner a 13 year old girl for sex,

luckily she was rescued by another older man who saw her predicament.

Thank God there were some people who were not willing to allow abuse.
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from jackeline
Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 20:04

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im an exmember too and have gone through some similar things i admire your courage and your will to keep on i was raped at 13 and till now i still suffer i too try to move on i have a 5 yr daughter and will fight for her i wish you all the best











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from Ex-member
Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 16:46

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Erin, I just want to say how much I admire your courage and individualism. From your story I imagine you were classified as a "bad Apple" and a problem case from a young age for your tendency to stand up for yourself. At least you knew who you were as child and had the guts to stand up against what you knew to be wrong (although at great cost to yourself) and defend your younger brother.
Once when I was in a combo, I remember going downstairs to join another "group" after "quiet time" for P.E. I found my younger brother (then 8 and slightly small for his age) "standing in the corner" outside the room with his hands folded over his head (another little bit of sadism thrown in to make the punishment more painful). I have always felt protective of him as he was very harshly treated and punished as one of the more "naughty" children with a thick streak of strong self will which today makes him a hardworking, responsible and ethical individual who lives entirely by his own set of rules and standards which make him a just and generous man. Well, not knowing what the situation was and after sitting for a while in silence due to my own cowardice to reproach his "teacher" I saw my poor baby brother literally collapse before my eyes. He leaned on one knee for a few seconds, and then pulled himself back up to his feet to "resume the position" until he "was told". This incredible display of self will and strength was what forced me out of my shell to approach his "teacher" at which I learned that he had been standing there for more than two hours as the teacher had fallen asleep and forgotten about him. I freaked out and demanded that he "let him out" immediately to which he replied that he could wait a little longer as he was "busy" getting the other 20 kids up and ready for PE. I went straight to the home "shepherd" who thankfully was an ok person and it was ended butI was even further angered to learn from his friends that my brother had not even been the one "talking" (we all remember the numerous "demerits" we got for this basic right). We also must all remember the triple bunk beds with slept in - with trundles....he had been on the bottom bunk and the two children on the trundle and middle bunk were talking. The teacher was simply too lazy to find out what was really happening and my brother was the easy target.
I mention this incident because although I have both witnessed and experienced far worse abuse -which I simply do not want to think about or relive- it has forever stuck in my concience that I was too much of a coward to do more for my brother who was so wrongly treated and I admire anyone who stuck up for their innocent brothers and sisters. -Thank God my parents usually did -whenever they knew about it- even though they were constantly demoted and received harsh punishment and were constantly threatened with (Oh horror!) reclassification on our behalf. I understand this was not the case with a lot of young people and so all you had were your brothers and sisters to defend you.
I admit I was a bit skeptical of some parts of your story at first as I had never either experienced or heard of some things you mentioned... much like a normal person would feel watching a contortionist do things that are simply immpossible for them. -That ofcourse does not mean the contortionist is not doing it, which is what I realized. -Surrounded by so much I can relate to... I am forced to believe that that is the ugly truth.
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From Erin
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 17:44

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I’ve come to realize that after I left in 1991 many things changed over the years. That is a wonderful thing. Although they did not change enough, they did, nonetheless, change. I think it is good that some people did not know such severe abuse, younger individuals in particular.

Many older individuals, in their late twenties and early thirties, do recall the type of severe abuse I described. They experienced such abuse in the schools, combos and victor camps. Some of these older individuals also spoke out, left, testified and defended their siblings and friends. Things changed to the degree they did because of the actions of these brave individuals, who also paid for their bravery. After first being victimized by the COG, they were again victimized when they spoke out.

A perfect example of whom I speak is Merry Berg. After enduring years of torture at the hands of the COG, she later testified and gave interviews concerning the abuse she experienced. The COG then committed numerous other offenses against her because of her actions after she left. They called her crazy, insane and demon possessed, when the real truth was that she was a victim they were re-victimizing in an attempt to cover their crimes. Because of the cases in which she and others testified, some things changed in the COG. Those changes and the younger individuals who were saved from more severe physical and sexual abuse should recognize the sacrifices and experiences of those who went before them and what they endured.

After I left, I had no further contact with the COG. I did have reoccurring dreams for ten years of returning and helping my siblings escape. However, it was all I could do to rebuild my own life and wait for my siblings to run away when they were old enough. Many of them did, and I helped them when they came to live with me. However, I was never able to effect much change on a large scale. I could only save myself and my younger siblings. But, I have immense respect for those individuals who are better than myself, stronger than myself and who have a sincere desire to help others like us and who have done so by taking action against the COG. In my humble opinion, those individuals are heros. I say thank you to each and every one of those individuals who testified against the COG, who reported the crimes which were committed against them and which they witnessed committed against other children, who were maligned and smeared by the COG for speaking out. Those individuals have made a difference and improved life for the captives who are the COG’s second generation. That difference is evident by the statements of the younger individuals who’ve posted here stating that they did not witness or experience abuse to such a degree I described in my life. I say thank God! And thank you to those who are responsible for that change. You know who you are. I know who you are, and I am honored to know you.(reply to this comment
From MagicGreenPants
Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 17:17

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Erin, I just wanted to say how much I don't admire you at all, in contrast with Ex-member.(reply to this comment
from Reg
Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:09

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Erin, your article made me cry. I am so furious and upset. Your posting brought back the toddlers' screams from the bathroom. I remember my two year old brother being beaten until he was black and blue. I remember being beaten for saying things that the cult did not like. I remember a dirty old man fondling me and being frozen with fear unable to move or say anything. I want the Cult the PAY for these crimes against children.

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From MagicGreenPants
Thursday, August 08, 2002, 15:38

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Thanks Erin, for sharing this thrilling and inspiring "Traumatic" testimony with us.

Just make the next one stink a little less ok?

I am not a toilet.

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From faeriraven
Thursday, August 08, 2002, 16:46

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If you can't handle the fire, get out of the kitchen MGP...(reply to this comment
from Anthony
Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 19:18

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How about we Give JP & Joe H. a break already? They made their apologies quiet clear, must me go on "reproving" them?
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From Joe
Wednesday, August 07, 2002, 19:45

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Thanks dude, guess you never know when you're going to stir up a hornet's nest on this site(reply to this comment
from jpmagero
Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 18:47

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In reply to Erin, dave, Albatross, Jules, anotherCOGescapee, Maniac,
I should first apologise.
I admit my comment sounded cold and unfeeling, I just never came across anything quite so "strong" in all my life.
I had been around abuse and though any abuse is awful, I never saw it at those levels, at what I did see, was never directed at me. Like JoeH said, it depends on where you were and who you lived with. I was "blessed" in that I never experienced that.
I will retract what I said and offer my apologies to Erin for not taking her word for it, and for offending her and the many others that were obviously offended by my comments.
I wrote my comment without thinking how far it would go and apparently without thinking much at all.
Erin, please forgive me.
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From EyesWideShut
Wednesday, August 07, 2002, 18:38

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JP, abuse equal to that in Erin's story was going on in all the homes we lived in as kids. Remember Kawasaki home? Wierd shit went on there. Remember Komazawa home? There too. And later on everywhere I went. There were many levels of severity, yes, but I have years of horrible abuse under my belt as well. You're a big man to post an apology to appease the mob. Lol!

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From jpmagero
Wednesday, August 07, 2002, 19:06

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Sunny, I think what I was saying in my first post was a bit heavy, yes, but at the same time, I was never denying that abuse happened, simply the extent and severity that she descibed it.
In my second post, I admit that it is not my place to judge someone's sincerity. If she says that's what happened to her, that's what happened to her. I have no way of knowing that it is not true, so it becomes true to me. That's that.
Having said that, I have to be honest and say that I never personally witnessed anything quite to heavy as far as sadistic adults who would prey on toddlers so strongly. Yes, I've seen adults get heavy handed (abusively even) with young children. It happened to my brother. His arm came out of joint at the HCS and he was spanked repeatedly for whining. I guess I just looked at all she said, and didn't accept it right away as the truth. I will now.
I guess the fact that I was a young male kept me away from most of the sexual abuse that was directed mainly at females and more to the disciplinary abuse. And there were certainly things that I cannot recall because of my age at the time. I was subjected to extensive disciplinary abuse, but I have long decided that I will not make that an issue in my life.
I hope the "mob" is appeased and satisfied that I meant no insult. I hope Erin knows that I regret what I said.(reply to this comment
From Erin
Wednesday, August 07, 2002, 22:41

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I appreciate what you said. Anyone who respects and empathizes with the suffering of others, especially children, without attempt to silence their voice, despite having not seen the abuse first hand, has my respect.

I think most of people's strong reactions, including mine, come from years of the COG's attempts to discredit and disprove the very existence of the experiences we had first hand. So, if you caught some flack due to the residual frustration of having dealt with the oppression and cover-up of the COG, I, too, apologize.(reply to this comment
From Capt.Morgan
Wednesday, August 07, 2002, 15:43

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I really don't understand how ANY of you can underestimate what happened!!!

What I experience myself was not the same as Erin, yet, I had my own ordeals which were not pretty, thus I can visualize her experience...shit, ive seen it myself ..countless times.
If you are challenging the validity of her experience, you have yet to acknowledge the truth of your history my friend. The people surrounding us in the cult where just as mixed as those who surround us today, good and evil. The thing with the cult was that they claimed to be all so noble and sacred, and constantly brainwashed us to believe that, by you denying these situations is a manifestation of their lingering control!! -they had us protesting outside government buildings, on the news, to each other....for crying out loud.

There was such a obsession with submitance, they got off on our demise. All they're publications refer to "yielding" and "submitting" etc etc. Why do you think?
My point being...think outside the box. There's a lot to evaluate before making decisions on these bulletins, I know some of my comments where off the handle as well.

One more thing: Erin, your a fuckn champ!! You survived this bullshit and deserve to be proud.(reply to this comment
From Jerseygirl
Wednesday, August 07, 2002, 15:49

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Well, looks like you've had a real "metanoia".(reply to this comment
From Capt.Morgan
Wednesday, August 07, 2002, 16:18

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Looks like you might need one. smart ass.
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From Jerseygirl
Wednesday, August 07, 2002, 16:23

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Doing fine as I am, and my ass is pretty damn smart, thanks.(reply to this comment
From Capt.Morgan
Wednesday, August 07, 2002, 16:51

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And dont even try. Joysey.(reply to this comment
From Jerseygirl
Wednesday, August 07, 2002, 16:55

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Txs Capn.Moygan(reply to this comment
From Capt.Morgan
Wednesday, August 07, 2002, 16:49

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lol. You really put the "dick" in rediculous.(reply to this comment
From Jerseygirl
Wednesday, August 07, 2002, 16:54

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At least learn how to spell it.(reply to this comment
from jpmagero
Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 15:48

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I just wonder how much of it is true. I mean, after all that, you'd think her arm or legs would have fallen off.
Abuse, yes, it happened. But as far as she took it? The beatings that went on for hours? Toddlers screaming in the bathroom for hours? I don't buy that. Harsh discipline happened to a lot of people, beatings etc. But the way she put it, there were only women in charge of the many schools she went to and all they did was beat her all day long for hours.
She also said that the books and t-shirt fell out of a suitcase, who was she traveling with? the whole leadership? that's the only way they would have known.
Let's not hide what happened by any means, but exaggerating everything won't help anyone either.
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From Aita
Wednesday, August 07, 2002, 08:13

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Yes, this things are definetly true. I remember one of my brothers getting beaten over & over for wanting to be with his mom. He was only 2 yrs. at the time. He always was, & still is a very stubborn person so this was viewed as rebelliousness & he was severly punished for it. He used to get locked in the attic for hours, missing dinner, parent time, etc. until he apologized for whatever it was he did. During winter that attic was freezing but nobody said anything about a 2 yr. old alone in there. That attic was also full with rats. One time he just wouldn't "yield" so he got left there to spend the night. I remember him barely able to speak but he told my mom once after an specially hard beating, "Mommy, I want to die, I don't like it here." Can you imagine a 2 yr. old looking into your eyes & telling you he wants to die! If that doesn't break your heart & tell you that something is totally wrong with this picture, then I don't know what does.
My Mom finally got fed up & took us away from that home, but not before we went through some pretty awful stuff. My brother is now a 9 yr. old boy, but he still has the scars of what he went through there. He still remembers being stuck in the attic, he remembers the rats moving around him in the dark, he remembers the spankings he got, & he remembers feeling so bad that he wanted to die.
We are 12 brothers & sisters......this is just the story of one of them.(reply to this comment
From dave
Tuesday, August 06, 2002, 17:03

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Sorry dude, such events sadly DID occur. Erin's story is true, even though it’s disturbing.

I've lived many years in Europeans "schools" and "Combos" run mainly by people who lived for years and who were trained in the East. These sick individuals mastered the 'Art of Discipline'. They exerted their force and power and preyed on the weak and the helpless. True, these things never happened to me, I was lucky, mainly because I kept my mouth shut. Did these types of events happen to people I know or lived with? YES. Sadly some of my own flesh brothers and sister were subjected to the unusually harsh, cruel and unjust punishment for what now seems like trivial things. But more often, for nothing. For asking questions. For being silly. For making “bad looks” and not being “cheerful. For sometimes wetting their beds, like kids sometimes do.

Let me tell you another story: I was visiting the U.K. in the fall of '93. I had just turned 18. I was traveling with Ricky of Elaine and a few other SGAs. This was immediately following the first meeting (held in Switzerland) reading the unedited, uncut version of "Mama's Letter to Europe". I met this 11-year-old kid (to protect his privacy, I will omit his name) who told me he was beat with a horsewhip by Malaysian Mary (who was notorious in the East from what I've discovered) for being silly, “talking back” or stealing or something like that. I honestly cannot remember what the beating was for. What 11-year-old boy do you know that is not silly, nerdy and stupid? I was not the first one this kid told about this, “leadership” knew of this too I was told. So I assumed the leadership was handling the situation. Well, they 'handled' the situation alright. Sometime later I heard the kid was whisked off the live with his biological dad in Taiwan. By doing this, the cult’s top brass ensured the kid would not be around to testify in court. Keep in mind this was during the intense Pearl Case child custody case. Malaysian Mary… well, I heard she was demoted by EUROCRO because of what she did to this boy and she was to never work with teens or children again. I saw her last in Belgium in the summer of ’95 doing ‘Outreach’ and provisioning. Did she go to jail for what she did? NO. Did she have to pay compensation for her crime(s)? NO.

I don’t want to defend Ricky of Elaine because from what we know, he was to blame for many Victor situations in the East. BUT, if this means anything, even he was shocked to hear of the brutally in some of the European Combos. These “shepherds” in Europe took what happened in the East, places like Japan, the P.I., and Thailand to completely new and violent levels.

About toddlers screaming… I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard the lambs screaming. In ’89 our family moved to the south of France to join our first ever “Combo”. Up until that time, most of the Family who lived in Europe lived either alone or with another small family. The Combo “vision” was just starting to get in full swing. If people did not want to join a Combo, they were immediately reclassified and basically out of the Family. Imagine a Combo with 7 or 8 families all thrown together in one place. It was new for everyone, especially the toddlers. They now would only spend one hour of parent time every night (sometimes some kids would even miss that special one hour of “parent time” for ‘being bad’.) Apart from that, they would spend their days, eat, and sleep with their “groups”.
A common problem: meal times. When the toddlers saw their moms and dads or older siblings during meal times (remember, groups ate meals together too) they would want to be with them and would cry. This resulted in them being spanked (sometimes in front of everyone), and a considerable amount of time in the bathroom being disciplined for “throwing a fit”. Some of the kids were more ‘hard headed’ than others. So their time in the bathroom sometimes did go on for hours.

My dear friend, although shocking, traumatic, disturbing and hard to digest, these tragedies did take place. Although we have the right to question and state our views openly, it makes me mad to hear people like you diminish and belittle the horrors and personal trauma people have suffered. I am of the opinion that people who experience such violent and degrading levels of abuse never FULLY recover.
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From Jerseygirl
Tuesday, August 06, 2002, 19:26

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Dave, having also been in Europe I can say that you are 100% correct.(not that you needed me to verify,ha)I can't help but get very emotional when I remember those times. Just the fact of the kids,often small babies and toddlers,being harshly disciplined for such things as wanting to be with their mommies should be enough, not to mention everything else. I am a parent now and reading about these things turns my stomach.I want to forget the things I have seen and experienced but I am glad for those who feel they can speak out here. (reply to this comment
From Albatross
Tuesday, August 06, 2002, 16:51

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Gentlemen:
I'm sure Erin would gladly have traded places with you. Why is it so imperative that you find her story an exaggeration? Is it that you can't fathom that there are those in "The Family" who behaved in such a manner?
Must she show you scars? JPmagero...you speak of exaggerations, whilst your comment is replete with them...JP:"I mean, after all that, you'd think her arm or legs would have fallen off."
But the way she put it, there were only women in charge of the many schools she went to and all they did was beat her all day long for hours." I ask you, did you read her posting as I did? I suppose in the end, what you think, really makes little difference. Those who endured torture and abuse will have their justice, (your attempts to impune their credability not withstanding). It is unfortunate however, that their journey to justice must travel over the broken bodies of your desperate and uninformed attempts at denial and and derision.

Daniel
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From Erin
Tuesday, August 06, 2002, 16:39

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I don’t know who you are, but every bit of this is true. The first incident went on from about noon to five in the afternoon. The second incident also occurred in the afternoon, until it was dark outside.

It is simply animalistic to fight for your life. You probably don’t know anything about that because you grew up after things got less abusive. You’re probably in your early twenties and never experienced such things, so therefore in your small mind, if you didn’t see it, it didn’t exist. But, let me make it very, very clear, it happened, exactly as I said it did. Just because you may never have been to China, doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

There were witnesses. I still have scars. I could easily name names and those that either knew these people or witnessed what I went through could confirm this.

There is no exaggeration in what I posted. In fact, I left out several things. My siblings experienced it, too. I remember after a few years of living on the mission field a teenage boy and his sister arrived from the U.S. They seemed kind of morbidly surprised when they discovered I was the girl who was beaten that day in the room of their “home.” It had become common knowledge and gossip. My step-father boasted about it to people I never met.

So, please, don’t make comments on things of which you are ignorant. You belittle the suffering of innocent children. I saw the marks on babies as young as nine months old, one of them was my brother. I saw them inflicted. I remember practically breaking down a door to get to my little brother who was being beaten by our mother’s husband. I got into the room, stood between my ten year old brother and this man and said “If you come near him, I’ll kill you.” It did save him from further abuse that night. Unfortunately, he later suffered such severe abuse from the same man, after I left, that he has two nearly 12 inch long scars down his back. It’s not necessary to exaggerate such horror. Scars speak for themselves.

Rather, we keep it quite and live in pain because as children we think it was out fault. But, only silence keeps us living in pain. It’s time to expose it, it in all its graphic truth, write about it, talk about, name names and stop it once and for all.(reply to this comment
From Jules
Tuesday, August 06, 2002, 16:35

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jpmagero, I'm glad you never had to experience anything like this, no one should ever have to. However the horrific reality is that this level of brutality did occur. I experienced it myself first hand from my parents. I'm at work right now, and it's a little too intense to be able to sit here at my desk and give you very many details, but the coat hangers, the severe bruising, the hours of beatings are things I personally can attest to. My father would hold us against a wall and hit us in the face with his fist. I saw a two year old boy held upside down naked and beaten with a guitar wire by his father. A father plunged his 12 year old son's hand into boiling water because he wanted him "to know what it felt like". Anyways, I have to stop, but I wanted to let you know, Erin, that I have so much respect for you and what you have overcome. (reply to this comment
From Breen
Sunday, August 18, 2002, 16:59

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I remember your dad. He used to drag your brother (Jason) by his hair when he was mad at him. (reply to this comment
From JoeH
Tuesday, August 06, 2002, 16:14

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with all due respect to Erin, some of this also strikes me as a little extreme, but I have no way of knowing because I was never there. And Family homes weren't identical throughout the world, it usually depended on who was in charge. Maybe some of the language needs clarification, for example, what most of us consider a spanking would probably be called a beating or caning by most systemites, even if the rear is the only part of the body being abused. I sure hope the stuff she described isn't still going on, if her mom's as psychotic as she says, maybe she needs to contact the FBI, or interpol if she's still living outside the US.

I think it's really cool how you escaped, Erin. I like to hear more details about that, especially how you crossed the border by yourself while still a minor, that's pretty impressive. (reply to this comment
From Erin
Tuesday, August 06, 2002, 16:54

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Joe, I could easily go into more detail. I could tell you times, places, people’s names, where they live now, etc. But, now is not the time for that. Doing such over the internet, does no good, except to put the guilty on notice.

Do know that these events occurred over a seventeen year period. In some “homes,” you would see the abuse nearly everyday. In others, it would happen less often, thank God! In a few, there was little or no physical abuse, but sexual and, the ever present, child labor and exploitation and deprivation of education.

I do not have a mother I claim. The woman who gave birth to me is still in the COG. My step-father who beat me so brutally is out. He admits to what he did. Your mother, Joe, knew mine and me, when I was just a child. If you’d like to hear stories of gory abuse, ask you mother about what she observed over twenty-five years in various countries.

There were various levels of abuse in every “home,” but the things I describe were not “spankings.” Those incidents which were mild “spankings” were too numerous for which to account. I described rather two incidents of physical abuse which left me scarred and bleeding. I can also tell you about having my shoulder dislocated, if you like. It still gives me trouble because I was never taken to the doctor after it happened. It never healed properly I was later told by my doctor after I left. I was twelve when it happened. (reply to this comment
From AnotherName
Thursday, August 08, 2002, 04:26

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reading this string brought back alot of memories, it's funny how we start thinking that it's okay if there arent any cuts, saw alot of that, my sis was raped IE virginity gone at age 11, I wish I had been able to be with a girl the first time. And Erin, of course Lonnie Davis would try to cover, he's Marc from PI -- synonymous w/ Child Abuse, he shoudv'e been gang-raped up the ass years ago.
Does anyone want to join me and, to be fair, just get him and put him in solitary for as long as Marc's put all the teens in in the Jumbo? (I guess that'll be about 2 years), and smash in his kneecaps, once for every time he beat someone at the Jumbo? (reply to this comment
From ..
Monday, September 09, 2002, 05:54

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that Marc from the PI, was he a national? is he still in the family? (reply to this comment
From meg
Sunday, August 18, 2002, 22:47

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i think we should also include all the silence restrictions as well and that would make it a whole lot longer that 2 years because between my sister and i we did 12 months of silence restricton and 3 months solitary at the jumbo(reply to this comment
From JoeH
Monday, August 19, 2002, 13:58

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um, there are so many people that have been beaten or put on silence restriction by that asshole that it would probably take a liftime to effectively pull off what you're suggesting. I'd say stick him in some Texas maximum security prison and let them beat and rape some sense into him!(reply to this comment
From JoeH
Tuesday, August 06, 2002, 20:04

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ok, sorry if I offended, I imagine an apology similar to jp's above might be in order, but I should point out that my language was not accusatory or crude, I simply stated that your stories went a bit beyond what I had seen and heard of. I didn't call you a liar, in fact I clearly stated that I was in no position to do so. And when I said some spankings classify as beatings, I wasn't suggesting that beatings had not taken place which in no way resembled spankings.

And the only thing I wanted more details about was the escape story, something about prison escapes and escapes in general absolutely fascinate me.

I think it would only be fair at this point to commend you for responding only to my post and not stooping to personal insults. (reply to this comment
From anotherCOGescapee
Tuesday, August 06, 2002, 16:04

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jpmagero,

I don't know about you, but

1: Any time I was beaten it seemed like hours. Any time toddlers were screaming in fear it seemed like hours.

2: you say "by the way she put it...all they did was beat her all day long for hours..." the person who wrote this is writing about a certain SUBJECT, namely, the abuses she suffered in the COG. That is why she is not talking about the times in between. What does she have to do, give you a videotape minute by minute of her life?(reply to this comment
from Maniac
Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 00:58

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I read this site often, I have never posted anything on it. But after reading your story, I felt I had no choice but to tell you how deeply it moved me. The blunt, factual writing style made it all the more painful to read. At the risk of sounding "Oprah", I must say, your strength and determination are truly inspirational. Congratulations on your successes!
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