Jules, June 27, 2002, 19:47
pictures for home page
Anyone have any ideas of a not so cheesy picture for the home page? I would prefer to keep it one of young people, but my image library is rather limited so we're stuck with this for now.  (reply to this post)

Alfrobbedofhisnick, June 30, 2002, 04:36
ideas for homepage
I think we should keep the site as crass and tacky as possible.. links pertaining to pornography should boost the people hearing My Message.

I'm sure the flagging GAMR tithes would be increased too..

Is it just me or is a 'get your tits out gallery' a good idea?

I love you all..

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Jules, June 30, 2002, 09:11
re: ideas for homepage
It's just you.
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Alf22, June 30, 2002, 10:54
an ultimatum
Jules post me my Alf identity password to my jonx8814@yahoo.com address immediately.
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Jules, June 30, 2002, 11:44
Such a user
You can email it to yourself. Go here: http://www.movingon.org/passwordrequest.asp

Honestly, you would think that Pol Pot or Hitler could have helped you out with this one. I am starting to get some doubts about your prophetic abilities.
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Craven, June 27, 2002, 12:20
Redesign
Jules thank'ee for implementing reserved names.

Quick question:

I don't want to wade through source so if you can tell me the pixel (or percentage) width of the columns I will refrain from posting graphics that skew the layout.

I noticed you removed the last pic I posted and rightly so since it would have messed up the home page (I hope the cheesy effects in my profile aren't causing harm, I'll go check).


PS- if you can make reserved names on the boards link to profiles it would be nice.  (reply to this post)

Jules, June 27, 2002, 12:36
HTML in posts
Craven,

I also added a function that strips HTML from anything submitted to the DB, since, as you pointed out, it was pretty insecure to allow that. However, I've added a field to the DB for an image link for articles, profiles, sections, and posts (currently, only profiles allows this feature). Just paste the full path to the image in this field in the form to have your image display. Perhaps it would be a good idea to limit the width of the image?

Thanks so much for all your suggestions and ideas. There will be probably be a few bugs left on this new site, as I had to rewrite a lot of code. Let me know if anything is not working.

Next on the list is the chat room. To change it though, I need to switch servers, so I'm looking for a new host.

Jules
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Craven, June 27, 2002, 23:30
re
I'd seen what you did in the profiles, you stripped the profiles of the counters and the photo field was a great idea (did you think of it when u saw my profile?).

Now that I know that html is not permitted I'll have to leave my profile as is. I won't be able to toy with me effects but at least nobody else will have them (this is where the immaturity really shines through ;-).

The no html is a GOOD idea, an inline frame set to 1 pixel by one pixel could have had the home page download a remote virus without the surfer knowing.

Limiting graphics size might be tricky. I don't think it's possible to do it except "after the fact" i.e. after the member tried to post.

You might want to look into a thumbnail script. That way only a thumbnail would be posted which would link to the offsite pic. But I don't think you want the graphics runningoffyourserver, and at least the thumbs would have to be on your host.

Another option that might be possible is to automatically resize with html parameters. But if all else fails editors can do it manually.

I don't want to give you any coding headaches but the archived polls are unavailable as is the option to submitt a poll.

As to the chat there are several flicker free options that don't use servlets. But if you have other restrictions then maybe changing hosts is a good idea (I know some good deals,lemme know if ya want to compare prices and packages).

Another option is:

I will be opening a site shortly, I can always let you use my host to run the chat. I'd just give you ftp access to a directory and you could do what you want with it.

I'd like to work with you on some web projects I have in mind BTW. We have similar design taste.

One last quickie: Why is the CSS included in every page? Unless the CSS differs from page to page it would be much faster to use a .css file.

I lied, another quickie: I know of some cool tricks to protect source code. Lemme know if you are interested. Your invisible "don't copy" won't help.
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Jules, June 28, 2002, 00:28
To Craven
The counter is actually still there, but I didn't display it. Do people want this back?
I was thinking of restricting picture display sizes through HTML resizing (it would just have to be the width).
I am looking for a server with more space (this one only allows me 10M) and then I could allow uploads, you can restrict the file size through ASP.
The poll stuff is coming soon, I just got tired of recoding (the open source one I used was a mess) so I launched with it as is.
Regarding the chat, this host has pretty tight restrictions on scripts, and I need one I can customize. Without the "who's chatting now" option, it would not be utilized as much.
The CSS is included on all the pages because there are variables in it that are dynamic (browser specific, section specific). It doesn't seem to parse properly through a .css.
All the sensitive souce code is server side, so the html should be okay. I am not the best coder, (my team at work won't let me near development) so let me know if there are vulnerabilities that should be protected.
Thanks again for all the input. Much appreciated.
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Craven, June 28, 2002, 14:09
just noticed more
The active links are set to a color that renders them invisible.
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Jules, June 28, 2002, 00:39
PS
The links not opening in new windows is also my laziness. I had them set to increment a counter when they opened so that people could see how many "hits" a link they submitted received. I'll put this back in soon.
Also, there seem to be some issues with passing content from comments and posts through the "check unique user". Help from VBscript experts would be appreciated?
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Craven, June 28, 2002, 14:05
de de de da do do do do de da do de do
You can always just set up a script to do the offsite links automatically.

I haven't had any trouble with the log in. I know you disabled cookies (so I have to log in frequently, but I haven't lost any posts.

Counter on profiles: I personally don't care. I could better track the visits to my own profile through an invisible gif anyway.

Graphics resizing: If you alter the width please maintain the aspect ratio. I'm sure nobody wants their pictures to look deformed.

Your host: Is it free? 10 MB is less than most free hosts. In the states you can easily get 150 MB and 20 GB of transfer for 7$ a month. Since you seem to have your hosting in New Jersey I guess you haven't any qualm with stateside hosting. Or I can give you any extra space I have for free.

CSS: Have you validated your CSS? I only took a cursory glance at it but I can validate it for you if you'd like.

Site vulnerabilities: I am not yet proficient in coding. Except to probe vulnerabilities. So I can help u there but would need written permission off of this site. But even if your code is sound your host doesn't look that way so it's a moot point.
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Craven, June 27, 2002, 23:35
more!
I just noticed that your offsite links aren't running on cgi anymore. Since they don't open in new windows I think that featuring them so prominently on the home page is a mistake.
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Jules, June 26, 2002, 00:19
Cookies
You may have seen that the site recently "remembered" your user name in forms where you could submit content. This was done through a file called a cookie, and was only accessible to your computer, not the site or anyone else, and was just for convenience. However, I had forgotten that some of the participants here access this site from computers within Family homes, and since the recent interest some FGAs have taken in this web site, this could potentially create some problems for people.

I have disabled this feature for now, and will create a "don't save my name" feature for version 2 of this site (launching this week).

To delete cookies from your computer on a PC, right click on the start menu and select "explore". Open the windows folder, and then the cookies folder.
Delete all files in this folder (or you might want to take a look at the sites other people on your computer have been accessing first) :-)

(Perhaps a MAC user could explain how to delete cookies from a MAC, I have no clue regarding that one.)

Jules  (reply to this post)

Craven de Kere, June 26, 2002, 13:36
RE: Cookies
Find the cookie files. To find these files, use your Mac's Find or Search feature to search for the word "cookies." This should bring up a list of the folders and files with the word "cookies" in their file names.


Netscape 4 saves cookies as a line in the cookies.txt file. Use notepad to remove the lines.

Netscape 6: go into Tasks > Privacy and Security > Cookie Manager.

Macs sometimes store cookies in a filecalled magic cookies.

IE 5 for Macintosh: Make sure the arrow next to "Web Browser" in the list of options on the right side of the window is pointed down, opening many options to you. On the list of options under "Web Browser" select "Advanced. On the left part of the window there is a box labeled "History" and another labeled "Cache". Click "Clear History" in the History box, and "Empty Now" under Cache. If you scroll further down the list on the right you will find another section similar to "Web Browser" labeled "Receiving Files" if the arrow is pointing down there will be an option called "Cookies". After clicking on "Cookies" you can delete all stored cookies as well as set up how you will accept them on your computer.

Click "OK".

IE for Mac:

See TARGET="_new">http://www.seidata.com/technical_support/macintosh/pix/iemac4.JPG">See screen shot here

13. Click on 'Cookies' in the left hand column

14. In this section you can view and delete cookies

15. Highlight the cookie and choose delete

16. Click 'Ok' to continue browsing

Jules, June 18, 2002, 13:59
To Josh in Kobe and Other Opinion in Osaka
Due to your lack of respect for our website, I have blocked you both from posting here. Consider it a sort of virtual silence restriction if you like. I'm sure you are both familiar with that concept. You can still post on this board, but I don't want your nonsense all over the site. You are not welcome here. Take a hint and leave.   (reply to this post)

Albatross, June 19, 2002, 17:30
RE: To Josh in Kobe and Other Opinion in Osaka
Hmmm,
I'm actually glad that this fellow in Kobe posted. I say this because if ever I should wonder at my strong distaste for the deluded world of the egomaniacs I left behind, I need look no further than " josh's" smarmy, condescending, and pathetic verbal volleys. MESSED BACK, JOSH????????? TOO LATE. If this is a game, then it's our ball. If this is a duel, then it's our riposte.
If this is chess...it's our move. I suggest you protect your Queen. (personaly,it's a shame that the word 'Kobe' which until now had been associated with nice things like great basketball and top-of-the-line steaks, is now besmirched by his idiotic prattle.)
Daniel Albatross
(OF ADO AND KANAH)
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Tim R(Of Ben and Christie), June 19, 2002, 00:04
RE: To Josh in Kobe and Other Opinion in Osaka
How's it going? I haven't heard from you in a while!
I just discovered this site, it looks great, I don't recognize everyones Internet names but my younger brother (Joe) told me somebody named "Albatross" was posting here and I figured it was you.

my E-mail adress is heininge@ohsu.org
I still live in portland. Anyway drop me a line sometime, I'd love to hear from you, and any other old friends online.
Take care!
Tim
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Kirschey, June 27, 2002, 03:41
C
C...are you Cherith of Clemint (Spelling?) and Promise? This is Abby (of Daniel and Vessel). I thought it was you, but wasnt sure till Tim mentioned Monterrey. Good to hear of you! My, haven't we all grown up!
Hello to Daniel and Tim also. Been awhile!
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Tim R, June 26, 2002, 18:20
RE: To Josh in Kobe and Other Opinion in Osaka
I turns out that my adress is actually heininge@ohsu.edu (my bad)

Hi Caryn! I remember you from Monterrey, we got put in the kitchen together when I first got there. You were a witness to some of the worst mexican food ever made (Remember the peanut butter soup, the cumin flavored malt-o-meal etc?)Thank God eventually Daniel Sonrisa took over and showed me how to cook.

I'm glad you've managed to get alife outside of the family, I hear you're a lawyer, is it anything like Ally McBeal? Anyhow, it's good hearing from you,I like the articles you've posted. Keep up the good work!

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C, June 28, 2002, 12:09
cooking
LOL! It was "sweet and sour peasant sou"! And "are those boys playing leap frog"?
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C, June 28, 2002, 15:59
"cooking"?
I meant "sweet and sour peasant soup". Forgot the "p".
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C, June 23, 2002, 01:30
RE: To Josh in Kobe and Other Opinion in Osaka
Hi Tim!

I remember you from Monterrey. You used to make me laugh with all those funny songs. I don't remember them all, except that one "Shredded Wheat, Shredded Wheat..." to the tune of "Let It Be". I still laugh about that! We were such rebels for singing that stuff! God forbid! :)

BTW, your email, that doesn't work. Got another?
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Sara, June 21, 2002, 09:11
Hi Tim
Hey Tim... I knew you in Brazil and in Houston (my last name is Suberbielle in case you know more than one Sara from both places). Anyways, drop me a line sometime ssuberbielle@hotmail.com. Tchiao
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VWBabe, June 20, 2002, 11:31
RE: To Josh in Kobe and Other Opinion in Osaka
Hey Tim, knew you back when I was little - you and my older bro Nahchey used to torture us - lol!
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Tim R, June 20, 2002, 18:53
RE: To Josh in Kobe and Other Opinion in Osaka
Katrina? Natchey told me you left, How old are you now? My parents still have all those old pictures of the "Happy Children Singers", that was one time in the family I really enjoyed. I'm living with my younger brothers (Chris and Joe) in Portland (OR). Tell your Mom and Dad I said hi.


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albatross, June 21, 2002, 10:32
RE: To Josh in Kobe and Other Opinion in Osaka
So Tim....seems u r a wanted man. See what self imposed exile will do for a man? ;) Anyway, I tried your email address....did not work. So to get in touch, just go to my screen name under the member directory and email me from there. I hope you are doing well.

Daniel
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porceleindoll, June 21, 2002, 21:17
RE: To Josh in Kobe and Other Opinion in Osaka
Yeah Tim, I tried it too but didn't get through. Drop a line!
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VWBabe, June 21, 2002, 10:31
RE: To Josh in Kobe and Other Opinion in Osaka
Nope, Kat's younger than me - although I have to say you did tourture her more than I - it's Tsanai (well, I changed my name to Joni - I sure you of all people can understand that, heard about your name change)
I'll tell Mom you said Hi - Dad's in Australia - write me a line sometime and say hi to Chris and Joe for me (if Joe remembers) I'm married and live in NJ
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Dawn, June 21, 2002, 15:39
RE: To Josh in Kobe and Other Opinion in Osaka
Hey Joni, it's Dawn. Didn't know u were on this site! Small world! Love ya!
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VWBabe, June 21, 2002, 22:03
RE: To Josh in Kobe and Other Opinion in Osaka
My sis Dawn?

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Sunny, June 21, 2002, 06:13
RE: To Josh in Kobe and Other Opinion in Osaka
Hey, Tim. I knew you in Japan too. I'm still in Japan, actually. I used to go by Chiyoko. I had a major crush on you! Always wondered what happened to you--good to see you around.
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MeccaM74, June 20, 2002, 11:09
RE: To Josh in Kobe and Other Opinion in Osaka
Hey Tim I sent you a message but I kept getting an error are you sure you wrote your e-mail right? By the way, this is Esmy.
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Tim R, June 20, 2002, 18:43
RE: To Josh in Kobe and Other Opinion in Osaka
Good to hear from you Esmy! Our IT dept is changing systems right now so everythings screwed up with the E-mail, I'll have to call them and get it straightend out. Thanks for letting me know

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Heather, June 19, 2002, 14:33
RE: To Josh in Kobe and Other Opinion in Osaka
Thanks Jules!
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Sunny James, June 17, 2002, 20:47
Required information
Jules, personally I'd like to see a required amount of information posted for all to see as a requisite for being a member of this community. It's really starting to bug me that there are so many posts from people that are unregistered in our user directory. Can't we make it a requirement to become a member before being able to post?  (reply to this post)

Craven de Kere, June 18, 2002, 00:17
RE: Required information
It would also reduce the impostoring and feckless pranks.
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feckless prankster, June 18, 2002, 13:53
I dunno about that...
It could also kill the whole site...
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Craven de Kere, June 18, 2002, 22:24
RE: I dunno about that...
I understand that (privacy issues). But having administered sites I know that on this site one person could wreak havok by those means.

There ARE alternatives though. For instance registering could make one's name "reserved" throughout the site (chat, boards, articles).

But this is just a suggestion. It's ultimately up to Jules to decide what she wants and has time for.
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Jules, June 19, 2002, 20:23
RE: I dunno about that...
CDK,

I think the reserved username idea is a really good one. I'll see if I can incorporate that into the site.

I am hesitant to make registering a requirement though. In my experience, the best way to grow an online community, especially if you have a small target group, is to create a value added system. This way it's easy and immediate to participate, but as people become more involved with the community, they are able to access more advanced features through registration. For some reason too, males are less like to want to register with a website.

On the moving on site, while there are now nearly 250 registered users, there are about 1000 visitors a day, so a lot of people access and may comment on stuff, but may not want to register.

I want this site to work for the people participating most of all though, and as I am actually in the process of redesigning the site right now, now would be a good time to let me know if there are any other features that would be useful.

What I am currently doing is splitting up the sections into 4 main topics, which will allow each area to grow. I'm changing the design to a liquid format so it stretches across various monitor sizes, I'm creating a "classifieds" section for job postings, housing, connections, etc. and I'm changing the user directory so that people will be able to search through it to find someone in their area, and users can add a link to their picture, etc.

Let me know if there are any other ideas for things that would be useful.

Jules
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Heather, June 21, 2002, 15:44
RE: I dunno about that...
Jules, while your changing everything, you might want to work on the chat room cause the flickering really sucks and also you can't tell when people sign off the chatroom or come on unless you go to a new section and then it updates you. Also, the search doesn't work so good cause if you put in someone's name it won't bring up all the stuff they've written only a few things. Thanks!
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Craven de Kere, June 20, 2002, 16:51
RE: I dunno about that...
One more thing, while I conceed that anonymous posting makes for a faster growing community I'd like to point out that it isn't as sticky.

But I DO like your graduated registration setup (with reserved names of course).
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Craven de Kere, June 20, 2002, 16:48
RE: I dunno about that...
You are likely to regret having asked my opinion but the opinionated opine (a lot in my case ;-):

Have "all in one" features. The forums are segmented and don't have the "latest threads" list that the articles do.

Anything you do to make all the interaction navegable from a smaller amount of pages would be appreciated.

I have a trick for source code protection that you might be interested in.

A future security concern is that anyone can post html codes, I already abused of it in my profile (just with cheesy cursor and background effects) but with inline frames somone can force all IE users (NS 6+ too) to download a virus.

I'm with you on the registration issues. But reserving registered names would be nice. I can point you to some scripts that use this feature.

Many are complaining about the chat room. I heard that you had mentioned server restrictions. I assume you mean that you can't use IRC but there are still other options.

Here's a PHP chat script (opens in a new window):

http://www.ortelius.de/phpopenchat/" target="_blank">http://www.ortelius.de/phpopenchat/>

Here's one that uses the "registration = reserved name" feature:

http://www.ortelius.de/phpopenchat/" target="_blank">http://www.ralfchat.com/>

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