migl24, November 12, 2004, 17:17
hi
I currently run an exposay on the issues of the cults and the CoG.

http://www.firstplumbline.net  (reply to this post)

Just wondering!, November 14, 2004, 08:16
Under COG section, is a pic of woman and the pervert Berg himself...
Question..Is that crazy woman, Karen Zerby?
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Vicky, November 14, 2004, 08:26
No it's not
The woman in the pic is Faithy, Berg's daughter.
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oh!, November 17, 2004, 08:56
anyone know what she is up to now?
Last I heard she was being kept drunk and crazy in a flat, in New york!!
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sarafina, November 17, 2004, 18:48
I know a bit
Unless she's moved recently she was in Houston, TX. She was living with two male roomates and a bunch of cats. She still drinks a lot but whats wrong with that so do a lot of people as far as "crazy" well that depends on what you call crazy..lol As far as I'm concerned it seems a lot of us have turned out a bit crazy.

A former friend of mine lived near her and bumped into her a few times recently. From what I understand she's still heading up some none family charity I forget what for.
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Baxter, November 23, 2004, 04:54
She'd better hope she doesn't run into me any time soon!
Faithy(Paula)was a spoiled little bitch! I don't remember hearing a non self-aggrandinsing word come out of her mouth. She ran around as if she was QBOTU, and she fucking did a good job. She and Jondy got money from Berg,s he had a fucking huge wardrobe, and all she ever seemed to do was go where the limelight was, glory-seeking, pretentious, scag! The most aloof shit of them all! She did nothing but tell other people why they were wrong while spending their money. I have no time for sympathy for her.
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, November 29, 2004, 15:39
ditto
I also have no time for sympathy for her. She ran those brainwashing camps known as TTCs and helped perpetuate her father's pedophilia and other garbage. MSRIH.
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sarafina, December 1, 2004, 10:10
Hey now,
Just to be clear I was in no way sympathizing with her, I hate her guts as well. I for one spent two years at the VP with her at the HCS so I know first hand what a tyrant she was.

I was merely trying to defend my own habits as you used the word "drunk and crazy" as if it were a bad thing. lol
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Baxter, December 7, 2004, 04:47
Oh!
No I wasn't particularly driven to bash you, I just wanted to badmouth someone- sorry!

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cassy, November 17, 2004, 11:32
Faithy?
Being "kept" by who?
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Jana, November 3, 2004, 13:36
My own SISTER was raped... and so was I!
Yeah, you read right. My own sister was raped at the tender age of twelve, by some sick peterfile, who tormented the entire OC/JETT group with his filth... She still lives with the scar it left on her life. Abuse was definitely a problem in the Family. And then they wonder why we were "persecuted"? Fuck, they made it look like it was "religious persecution" but the raids were completely founded on solid truth! Most of my friends were abused in the Family... and I WAS TOO!! And I go and report it... and then I get spanked for "lying". God, I swear I'll slit the wrist of that motherfucker if I ever meet him. I respect the beliefs the Family has, but things like that cannot be tolerated. My little sister was also abused by some perv... It tears me apart to see my own family and many of my friends being tormented...

Oh, Sunny, I used to love your singing! There are a whole bucnch of rumors about where you are... what yr doing... etc. Seems you were quite the celebrity at one point. Write me! I'd love to be in touch with you!   (reply to this post)

sadness, November 17, 2004, 10:18
We need justice
I was reading your post about how you & your sister got raped in TF. I have heard stories from other girls & some boys who have gone through that too. The Family doesn't realize, that if an adult has sex with a minor, even if the minor wants it or not, it's still rape. The Family feels they are above the law, & that is why they don't put a stop to their crazy ways.
I hope that some, even if just a few can get some justices for the pain & hurt & lost childhoods that The Family took away from lots of people who grew up in the family. They say that they are sorry & "The Family is changing". But what are all the teens & sga's who grew up in the family suppose to do. Well, of course a lot are working torwards their GEDS & going to college & getting good jobs.
(Which The Family credits because you were born or raised in TF & that is why you are doing good in the world.)But what about the ones that never had any education after 12,some kids couldn't read, don't know basics on how to survive in the world & the laws etc..Now I will say that homeschooling isn't bad, as long as the parents can actually teach their kids & make sure that the kids get a whole 12 grades of education.But some SGA's are really suffering, having a family & trying to get their license, GED & go to college, while they work sometimes even 2-3 jobs trying to support themselves. Maria's excuse is that she & Grandpa believe that an 8th grade education is all you'll need. I think now it's changed to a 10th grade education. They put anything higher as the devils education. She also uses the excuse, saying that even in the world not all parents can't send their kids to college. But hell, The Family didn't even supply their own kids with basic education. If they sga's & teens were allowed to save up, they could have saved & gone through college. But the family hates any eductaion or music that is not Family. Sounds like any other cult out their. Now as an adult it makes me so mad to think that the Family still thinks that a 10th grade education is enough. The Family is so out of touch with reality, the family can get in trouble for so many things it has done. The family is just plain ignorant or plain criminally minded. It is illegal to not give your kids an education,or medical treatment when needed, proper food, sleep, making them work so much in place of school, abusive spankings. People must have been on crack.
It doens't take rocket science to figure out that TF is a cult & off it's bonkers. What's the deal with praying with "the keys."The Bible says to pray in Jesus name. How could anyone come up with the Loving Jesus revalation? The Family is known for going to extremes in every aspect in life. What I can't understand is after all the court cases the FAmily went through & saying that kids in TF were going to get all their needs met; that someone had the guts to go & make a special program "the victor program". If the raids had happened at one of those victor homes, surely someone would be sitting in jail for sure. The Family always turns around & does what to it members, what they accuse other cults of doing. They say people in the Family are not brain washed, the kids get their needs. The FAmily also says it has changed, but will always go back to more control & more leadership. They use scare tactics. Like if you leave or let the devil into your life, then God won't protect you. What do they want us to be mindless zombies.But teh parents are just as responsible for letting the things happen to their kids. The SGA's who left TF, left to protect their kids from teh abuses tehy went through when little. So why didn't the adults leave sooner, if they knew that the abuse was going on & things weren't quite right. I feel that a lot lot of adults will deny & anything the teens & SGA's say as a lie,or exaggeration etc.. They don't want to face up to the fact that they wasted tehir life & their kids, or the older adults never had a job & get free childcare in TF. So in talking with your parents, it's hard as they sometimes & most often are not going to agree with how you say things happened in family.

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cool8pack, December 16, 2004, 04:14
Gee
How many FAMILY people in the west, condemn the west, but line their pockets with illegal, benefit funds and justify it. You ask any so-called family member (FD/FM), especially in the UK and here in the US, about benefits and they all claim it, make money on the sly, how can they justify benefit fraud - by ripping off Egypt?

The Family feels they are above the law, & that is why they don't put a stop to their crazy ways.

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sadsister, October 26, 2004, 16:28
I need advice from people in this group to save my brother
Hi I used to have a very loving older brother until he met the family. Now he is thinking of becoming a member he says that there are no members of the family which he has met who do sexual immoralities or anything bad. he says the family is group of people who are guided by faith. however i don't believe him. if anyone can give advice on how i should confront him please let me know  (reply to this post)

Wolf, November 29, 2004, 20:52
Suggestions
My suggestions: don’t be antagonistic. TF will play on that. Agree with him as much as you can: yes, members are guided by faith (in a load of crap). Don’t tell him to visit this site. There are so many moronic posts here, it may convince him that TF’s enemies are a bunch of retards. Tell him that looks can be deceiving and it’s in his interest to make sure he’s not getting himself into something criminal. Tell him to ask a cult member the following questions: Did Berg publish a letter titled “Sex With Grandmother” in which he described a desire to copulate with his mother? Did Berg publish a letter titled “The Little Girl Dream” in which he described laying between Maria and a little girl too young to have breasts? Did Berg repeatedly slap his granddaughter when she was mentally ill, and tell her that she would be “nothing but a whore” if she left the group? Even if group members don’t practice these things now, they believe in a man who did.

If you like, I can send you a compilation of Berg & Maria’s dirtiest quotes. If you give it to your brother, he could bring it to TF members and ask them if they are authentic.

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Cult Surfer, November 4, 2004, 13:59
To Sad Sister
Unfortunately, sadsister, there isn’t much you can do! If your brother is already considering joining the family, then he’s pretty much already under their influence too deeply and has crossed the point of return. One thing that might help you in speaking with him would be to point him to this webpage and research online what’s been written about the family and have him read it. Another thing I’d do is connect the local authorities to the Family’s home and see if there’s something that the police would do to shut them down, although I doubt they’ll do much. The reality is that it’s going to be much harder to pull him out of the Family once he’s in than it is keeping him from it before he joins. Good luck.
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moon beam, November 7, 2004, 14:14
keep in contact with him
The one thing they will try and do is turn him against you, (if he fails in wittnesing to you.) So keep questioning him on why that is. I don't think it's too late at all, the more dozes of reality he can get is all good. When he sees that you are not reacting as they say he'll question their reality. For info concerning the best ways to deal with friends and family being recruited by cults; contact Cult Imformation centre at UK London 08707773800
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sadsister, October 26, 2004, 16:28
I need advice from people in this group to save my brother
Hi I used to have a very loving older brother until he met the family. Now he is thinking of becoming a member he says that there are no members of the family which he has met who do sexual immoralities or anything bad. he says the family is group of people who are guided by faith. however i don't believe him. if anyone can give advice on how i should confront him please let me know  (reply to this post)

Haunted, October 27, 2004, 06:20
Argggggg!!!!!!!
Sweetie, I feel for you - maybe you should tell him to come here and read this site or perhaps email some of us... I'd be happy to help out. You can email me under my profile.
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Holon, November 29, 2002, 23:07
Michael Forgarty??????????
Is he someone in the family?I remember hearing that name before. I just was looking at the www.cherubwings.com web page and his name is in there listed as one of the back-up singers in the song titled " With you always". I didnt reconise any of the other names. But that one just jumped out at me.   (reply to this post)

Auty, November 30, 2002, 17:01
The Fogarty's
Interesting you would post this as I was going to post something similar in regards to Michael's son, Allen, also known as Patrick in TF. Michael was married to Lily, but I believe now is (still) with Japanese Susan & is in Japan.

I've been trying to track down Allen, his son, who is presumed dead. No one (including his brother) seems to know where he disappeared to. He was last seen in San Diego/Los Angeles area. If anyone knows or has any (recent) information regarding his whereabouts, please let me know via my profile. Thanks!
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SunnyJames, November 30, 2002, 20:17
Allen is fine
Auty, I don't know where you acquired this information about Allen, but I just talked to his dad and he is fine. Michael knows where he is and how he's doing. They just met up a little over a month ago in the US. Allen is very much alive and seems to be doing well. Just thought I'd post this clarification, although I'm sure your concern is appreciated.

Have a nice day!

P.S. Michael Fogarty is married to Keiko (formerly Suzy). They still live in Japan. He sometimes visits this site;)
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Auty, November 30, 2002, 23:07
Good to know
The reason I was concerned it because it seems that his brother doesn't know anything & I've heard from several x-er's that have known allen in the past that he just disappeared. Several folks have said "he's pretty much dead, no one knows where he is. . ." so it's nice to know he's not. Thanks for the clarification.
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