Moving On - Children of the Children of God

	Harumi , November 16, 2002, 16:41 all Bostonians Hi. I am looking for members and ex-members of the Family/COG in the Boston or New York area for a paper that I am doing on the Family for school. Thank you. (reply to this post)
	Mike_Man, November 22, 2002, 18:06 The biggest creep I know in the family is a freak named NR (parents: Ezra/Ginny, tokyo,japan). She's a self-obsessed, dillusional disguting bulimic bitch. Niki if your reading this: you suck!!! And your fucking ugly. (reply to this post)
	In your face!, November 26, 2002, 18:34 How interesting... Auty, you posted this sentence in reply to Princess: "You must be a youngster or perhaps just left TF to have so much hate & anger. Just an observation." From everything I've seen from you on this site you seem to be full of hate and anger as well, and you aren't young or a recent convert to the dark side. In fact, I believe this recent post about Niki--whoever she is--borders on the irrational. (reply to this post)
	Auty, November 26, 2002, 18:58 That's funny . . . How about posting your name so we can fight fair? Hmmmmm . . .another little one hiding behind a stupid username, at least you know who I am and I don't go around the board making stupid comments behind some dumb user name. In regards to the post about Niki, I am curious, why folks are so upset with her. I remember her as a little girl so am curious as why all the hate. Go back, take a look under my user name and find my articles. I believe your perspection would change once you actually read something I've posted. Peace. (reply to this post)
	Auty, November 25, 2002, 23:28 WHO IS NIKI? Which one of Ginny & Ezra's girls are you speaking of? And why are you so upset, besides the personal attacks you are making? Because she's bulimic? Or a bitch? Just curious if there is something more then her personality & how she looks . . .did she actually DO something to you to deserve your hatred? I'm just trying to understand. (reply to this post)
	Mike_man, December 3, 2002, 13:13 In answer to your questions Auty, there is nothing more about her than her personality that makes me hate her. If you knew her you'd understand that that is reason enough.Her looks and her bulimia just add to her disgusting, lothesome nature. Hope this helps you in your quest in "trying to understand." Still confused? Take it to the lord. (reply to this post)
	Confused, November 25, 2002, 23:18 I lived with the R. family in Japan. I remember the sisters names as (from oldest to youngest) Amber, Suzy, Adrianne, Becky, and little Abigail. I don't ever remember a Niki. Are Niki and Adrianne one and the same? (reply to this post)
	Me, November 26, 2002, 01:07 N. is Becky!! (reply to this post)
	Rain, November 25, 2002, 20:15 I heard a rumor from someone in Japan about how several people were going to get together and do something very embarrasing and potentially harmful to this [N. R.], who they all aparently hate immensely. If anyone knows about this please tell them to stop. However a bitch this [N] person is, and I've heard tons of stories about her, the thing that these people are going to do is extremely unkind and maybe even against the law. Hurting a person's feelings is mean enough but hurting them physically is very serious. Please don't do anything you'll regret. (reply to this post)
	gang_sista, November 26, 2002, 13:57 Rain, don't worry. We're just going to teach her a little lesson. (reply to this post)
	FROMnANGEL, April 4, 2005, 06:14 babigirl These remarks seem a little harsh and infact a little disturbing. Let's not forget that on a forum for legal purpose's your IP address can be traced back to your computer if ordered by a judge or court of law... You are aware of this right? If not, then you have been made aware and perhaps this is something you should keep in mind while planning your little teenage lesson! (reply to this post)
	parisparis, November 27, 2002, 00:29 I bet it would be easy to do too Yeah, and I assume it would be pretty easy to do something to her, because I heard she goes out alot by herself without a partner (breakin' the ol' two-by-two rule in the fam), tsk, tsk, tsk! (reply to this post)
	Gene, January 4, 2003, 06:44 Anyone touches my sister and I will personally break your fucking neck! (reply to this post)
	what a joke?, January 12, 2003, 05:15 Like you could!! (reply to this post)
	, January 12, 2003, 16:03 hahahahaahahahah dementia is a GENEtic trait that runs in their family. (reply to this post)
	what a joke?, January 12, 2003, 05:15 Like you could!! (reply to this post)
	hahahahahahahahaahahaha, January 7, 2003, 21:31 GENE oh gene when are you gonna stop being such a fucking joke?????? (reply to this post)
	Jules, November 28, 2002, 00:05 WTF? If you are insinuating what I think you are, please don't do that here. Violence is for people who are not intelligent enough to deal with their issues as adults, and I would think we all got enough of that in the group. Can't we leave the trailer trash behaviour to our parents? (reply to this post)
	Mercyiscurious, November 28, 2002, 19:29 hmm I was an aquiantance of Niki 5 years ago. At the time she was bitchy and she was bullimic (I have no idea if there is any connection there). If she's still like that I cannot even begin to imagine how bad she must be now. I can imagine it would invoke some to violence. But guys, come on! You're joking right? What's the point in hurting someone who is obviously torturing herself each and every day? I am curious though, what exactly has she done? Especially to Mike? What did she do? (reply to this post)
	Mercyactuallyagrees, November 24, 2002, 02:21 Hahahahahhahahahahhahha!!!!! That's funny! Who are you Mike? You must have been living at TNT. I only know a couple of people named Mike who lived there. Are you by chance living in Australia? (reply to this post)
	Mike_man, November 24, 2002, 20:10 Are you in Aussie land? (reply to this post)
	Merciless, November 25, 2002, 19:40 Nah I live in Canada. But I spent most of my life in Japan. I was just wondering if you were the Mike that married Sylvia. He was a nice Mike, can't imagine him being as nasty as you are. ;p I miss that feller though. If you are him or know him, let me know. (reply to this post)
	Mike_man, November 25, 2002, 20:11 I don't know any Sylvia. (reply to this post)
	Mike_Man, November 22, 2002, 18:07 And p.s. you can't sing for shit. (reply to this post)
	Me, November 23, 2002, 05:49 I agree! (reply to this post)

	LeBrat, November 29, 2001, 23:33 Don't think so... I've tried writting Mama, Peter, and Matthew (who ever he is) via my mom (whom I dislike with passion)all I got back was a letter saying the same old this that they are sorry it happened and why didn't we say anything when it happened. That they would have put a stop to it etc. But in reality people in the family were and are just doing whatever the letters and MO or Maria or who ever the hell is writing them tells themt to. The thing I hate the most is that no one wants to take any responsibility 'cause there's always some "leader" who has left or otherwise lost their roll for them to blame things on. (reply to this post)
	sougly, November 27, 2002, 08:05 Matthew is my father Matthew is my father. I don't know what you wrote them about - but I can tell you that the reply is not a shock. My sister wrote him with a few things and his reply was something like this..."If we can't agree to see eye to eye on this then maybe I will just have to Disassociate myself with you altogether." I am terribly sorry to hear that you have issues and questions unanswered, but don't for one second think that they are ever going to be resolved by anyone in the family...much less people like my father. Take Care (reply to this post)
	porceleindoll, November 30, 2001, 18:57 RE: Don't think so... Yes, or decisions were made in a "teamwork" so there's not really just one person to pin the blame on or confront for the deed. Or the leaders make the decision, but they hatchet man is someone else, so you don't really know who is responsible for some of the decisions made. (reply to this post)

Jules, November 21, 2001, 19:07
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	sara7777, August 15, 2001, 21:15 to jules Hi jules i read your jumbo story. I left the group when i was 6 years old with my mom. My dad's still in it . His name is Mark. Maybe the same person,could you describe him a bit? thanks alot sara7777 (reply to this post)
	Jules, August 15, 2001, 22:14 To Sara Sara, I sent you an email regarding this, as I'd rather elaborate privately if that's okay. Jules (reply to this post)

	Jules, July 17, 2001, 00:26 Do you think there is any way to resolve issues with these people? Here's a question. What would you like to see happen with these people that hurt you? Are you looking for an apology? Retribution? Prosecution? Civil action? Acknowledgement of what they did? Honestly these people are not that hard to track down. There is a pretty extensive network of dissidents. (reply to this post)
	Craven de Kere, June 10, 2002, 14:20 RE: Do you think there is any way to resolve issues with these people? Yes I do, and you are right both in that there is an extensive network of dissidents and that they are easy to find. The security measures were less for "persecution" from the outside but rather to protect themselves from exmembers. Case in point, most people in the family knew Berg's real name a long time after any authorities looking into the cog did. The hard part has been the following: Many people are too extreme, they support risible schemes like the murder of their leaders. These people do a tremendous disservice to anyone who wants to make any progress. There are members and exmembers who would take any litigation against the family as an "attack". They are willing to cover for the Family even if they have to lie. "Deceivers yet true" was a brilliant piece of propaganda and some are still subscribe to that destructive ideology. There is tremendous difficulty in locating some members. Ideally the groups who seek to right wrongs done my exmembers would be able to pursue each case but this is not logistically possible. A better organized "network of dissidents" would better serve our purposes but I have had to wake up to the fact that exmembers are hardly on the same page and this is a logistical nightmare. Even without the kind of network we are capable of there are some exmembers who have dedicated their lives to freeing their brothers and sisters from the cult. So there are ways to help and get help already in place. I personally believe that litigation is a dead end. What I'd really like to see is a political and media furor about it. This is feasible but must be done well. It also must be done stateside but synchronized action in other countries would be a boon. Individuals are free to bring litigation against whomever they would like to, but IMO we could do more good by forcing the Family to reform or simply by helping provide a net for those who want out (and they will, each generation will have a higher number of dissatisfied persons). There is a lot of work to do to realize these goals. I would like for my brothers and sisters to receive an education. I know they will eventually leave and I don't want them to end up on the streets like I did. My aim is to ameliorate their chances for survival outside the cult and litigation is not the only way to achieve it. ALl of us can help, we all have that ability. We need to get our hands on the "purged" publications. We need some details to help loacte Zerby (that's a good example of some easy help others can provide, we only need the date and location of her birth). Maria is still a high risk investment for us but there are other projects that we can work on and that many already are pursuing. (reply to this post)
	RAGA, June 13, 2002, 10:53 RE: Do you think there is any way to resolve issues with these people? You wanna find out Zerbys date of birth and the location? Damn,ask someone who lived with her like James Penn or something (reply to this post)
	Joe, June 28, 2002, 11:32 it's all in the 'word' Isn't that kind of stuff in the book of remembrance. I don't doubt that zerby shared all these details, excluding her legal name of course, during one of her birthday celebrations (reply to this post)
	Craven, June 28, 2002, 14:20 Joe's right YES it WAS published that's why I'm a tad irked that nobody has been able to locate said information. (reply to this post)
	JohnnieWalker, June 27, 2002, 10:07 RE: Do you think there is any way to resolve issues with these people? Considering that they've changed identities at least twice, their real names, dates of birth and location have absolutely no relevance. (reply to this post)
	Craven, June 27, 2002, 12:12 re That's an equivocal statement. (reply to this post)
	Amanda, November 21, 2001, 10:36 RE: Do you think there is any way to resolve issues with these people? They could never aknowlege what they did as basically they would be admitting to a crime which in turn they would have to be prosecuted for and civil action would be brought against them for it. My question is, why in all these years has on one (meaning ex-Children of the Children of God) gone up against them? Do we have a case or don't we? And if we do, how could we prove it? I seems we have a pretty good case but it would take a whole lot of money and time and frankly I'm so busy just trying to get my life together out here and move on that I don't know if I would want to get into it. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them pay for all the hurt they caused but they question is how? (reply to this post)
	neezy, July 3, 2002, 22:37 uncle_uncle I'm sure this is what they're counting on.. they know anyone leaving is going to be so overwhelmed by these strange new concepts such as.. reality, & life. That by the time u truly realise how much they fucked you.. it's all your brain can do just to 'get over it'. Much less get it together & attempt any silly notions of justice. The only thing we can do.. we are already doing by discussion (always comes b4 action) & learning all the things we couldn't possibly have found out when you were 'doing time' on the inside. & the only way anyone's gonna dislodge this shape-shifting COG.. Is by getting some reality info to the kids that are still 'doin time'.. I think the opportunity for a lot of legal methods have since been,fucked up by the various lawyers, barristers, & all the other lowlifes that flock to such scandals like flies to shit. & isn't it amazing the amount of scumbag lawyers that start hearing from 'god'(well there's no sane reason for helping 'alleged child abusers is there) every time there is a truly newsworthy (hmmm.. that would look great in my autobiography) court-case. anyways.. I'll turn of the steam now.. I'll tell ya what though, if I had known of a place like movingon.org a couple years back.. I would've been outta there a long time ago. if they hadn't outlawed the internet.. punishable by inflicted blindness.. eheh Ok I'm done (reply to this post)
	neezy, July 3, 2002, 23:34 uncle_idiot ehheh.. hmmm this post seems to have magically triple backflipped over 2 or 3 posts, & landed here.. ah well, we guys ain't known for our expertise in the bachelour field of rocket science now were we.. (scary thought) (reply to this post)
	porceleindoll, November 30, 2001, 18:59 RE: Do you think there is any way to resolve issues with these people? You can't really go up against them unless you get enough people together to prove their guilt. They also live in England, if you're in the States it would take a great deal of money and brains to put together a prosecution. Wasn't Elaine on trial for the Britain case involving Pearl? And from what I heard she was pretty condemned by the judge for her part in leading the Victor program? I could be wrong on this though, it was many years ago. (reply to this post)
	Individuals, January 14, 2002, 01:21 RE: Do you think there is any way to resolve issues with these people? Perhaps we should just bring the individuals that have wronged us (seriously wronged, i.e. sexual abuse, physical beatings . . .this would include good old "uncle ricky", duck taping our mouths shut etc.) to justice. For example, I would track down Robert McDonald (I believe he is in New Orleans) and take him to court for child abuse both sexually and physically . . .unfortunately this happened in Japan and the stature of limitations runs out after 7 years (to my knowledge). This could be the problem, a lot of what happened did not happen in the U.S. where the stature of limitions doesn't run out if a child is violated. You might not get the big fish, but you could start frying the little ones! What get's me is when I wrote Maria regarding my abuse with Robert she stated that he had been excommunicated . . .we'll he had been excommunicated for slapping his wife around, but not for molesting me for over 2 years!! Not to mention they excommunicated him . ..they should have called 911 and had the police come and drag his ass off to jail. But now he has been leashed on society and I fear that children he comes in contact with will suffer the same fate as I. God help them! (reply to this post)
	Lowdown, January 11, 2003, 14:44 I see you know the old sicko too.I've known that bastard for great a deal of my life and had repeatedly reported him to the "shepherds and leaders" all of which had no outcome other than to make me hate him more.His treatment of his own sons proves him to be a true monster/completely unfit to be around any children at all.I can only hope his children and his wife have no contact with him. (reply to this post)
	Andrew, July 18, 2001, 12:51 RE: Do you think there is any way to resolve issues with these people? I see that Ricky and Elaine were mentioned, personally l never had any bad run ins with them and l am still in contact with them, if anyone would like to contact them, for constructive dialogue let me know. (reply to this post)
	Jules, July 23, 2001, 21:48 Ricky and Elaine Are you able to talk to Ricky? From what I have heard Elaine monitors any communication to him. You could ask them why they are so uninvolved in the lives of their grandchildren (my nephew and niece). They live a couple hours away, see the kids maybe once a year, and give their parents no support, even emotionally. (reply to this post)
	Lowdown, January 11, 2003, 14:58 Talk about a couple on one of the biggest ego trips I've ever seen,not only did we all have to put up with seeing all his ugly and untalented offspring everday of our lives and listen to their stupid music.But then having to have their brand of child rearing fostered on all of us has fucked up more than a few.And to you select few who still are kissing their ass for whatever reason, realize that you are giving them props to their contribution of our fuck up upbringing.They do not deserve your respect they never earned it/You'er no longer are under their thumb where their approval matters so move on if you truly are your own person. (reply to this post)
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