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from NVC Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 12:18 (Agree/Disagree?) Well Lattin, right off the bat, you have Ricky's picture as a child together with David Berg online on the official Family International site under the link our founder, and you can get a copy of Stern magazine (Germany 1977) for a full centerfold where Angela aka Sue is sitting next to a woman next to David Berg himself. That picture was reproduced in many European magazines. For personal pictures from people on this site, I sincerely hope you will let them know about how you plan the content of your article. (reply to this comment)

From Lattin Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 14:12 (Agree/Disagree?) Which one is Angela/Sue? We used that photo with a piece I wrote in Feb. 2001 on CofG.(reply to this comment)

From I hear Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 16:03 (Agree/Disagree?) She is the one in the front row left, by Rachel (who is followed by Berg then Zerby then Sara in the front)(reply to this comment)

From Joe H Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 12:21 (Agree/Disagree?) How about we NOT alert the Family that photos on their website may be used against them? Granted, Mr Lattin's request for photos may have been enough to scare them into hiding/burning/taking down any photos, but why make it worse? Will anyone else who has photos please mail them to Mr Lattin privately (and immediately)?(reply to this comment)

From sarafina Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 12:54 (Agree/Disagree?) I have sent him a photo of Ricky.(reply to this comment)

From Vicky Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 12:23 (Agree/Disagree?) Admin, perhaps the two comments above could be deleted as soon as possible?(reply to this comment)

From Joe H Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 12:30 (Agree/Disagree?) The photos NVC suggested are not what Mr Lattin is looking for, specifically photos of Angela and Ricky TOGETHER. I doubt the Family is going to try to deny that Ricky lived with David Berg.(reply to this comment)

From Repost Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 16:02 (Agree/Disagree?) http://www.exfamily.org/cgi-bin/gf.pl?fmt=dyn&t=chatbbs&m=9&s=0&r=chatbbs/genx/genx_main.html Angela/Joy/Sue on page 458 of the Davidito book [ Replies to this Post ] [ Post a Reply ] [ Generation eXers Board ] Posted by April on January 10, 2005 at 22:34:35 In Reply to: excellent! one correction posted by exmember on January 10, 2005 at 22:21:54: "On page 458 there is a picture of a woman and Davidito on a bed and underneath the picture it says, "Oh! C’mon in! We’re just goin’ to bed!" On the same page there is a picture of Davidito and adult member Sue and under the picture it says "Undressing.........for Sue!"" I also found another quote from the Davidito book indicating that Angela Smith/Joy/Sue was one of his abusers. " In “The Island of Melita!—Acts 28:1!”, chapter 73, when he was 3 yrs. 8 mos. of age, Sara wrote: 21. Our frequent moves meant a lot of hard work on house clean-up & preparations, which David always participates in & is usually a very good boy, very “diligent in business”, & redeems his own time keeping busy with chores. It was a little difficult for him at first to be with other on the staff if Alfred & I both were busy or had to go out together, etc, but either one of sexy Pat or Sue can easily distract him when he seems worried about seeing us leave together. 22. He actually became very fond of being with the other girls, but had a funny little habit of wanting to close the doors whenever with them. Mommy said we need to get him accustomed to having his little sessions with the door open, so he can learn more about what sharing is all about. (reply to this comment)

From tiahogan Thursday, January 13, 2005, 08:36 (Agree/Disagree?) I'm sorry but I wasn't able to find the Davidito Book anywhere in that link. Am I missing it? I have absolutely no access to any family publication, but if there is a link to it, I'd love to see the pictures & captions. Thanks!(reply to this comment)

From NVC Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 13:06 (Agree/Disagree?) joe, i don't know. the photo of Sue with Berg in 1977 establishes that she was one of the FFers in the Tenerife home (and Ricky was born there) it also shows that she was one of the women involved in FFing. This makes the link to FCF and the past of people on their board. I think this stuff is all relevant to a researcher, but I could be wrong. (reply to this comment)

From onlooker Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 18:51 (Agree/Disagree?) Is everyone really sure it is Sue? I have heard from what I feel to be a reliable source that Angela is actually Hope who from what I remember was one of the secretaries in the letter "Love is the most important thing" unless they are all three the same person? I guess I just wanted to make sure it's the right person before we point Mr Latinn to that photograph of Sue & he goes ahead & publishes it. (reply to this comment)

From data dude Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 19:50 (Agree/Disagree?) Sue was her original legal name. She joined the group in the early 70's, took the name of Cedar. By mid-70's she was working for Deborah. After Deborah crashed and burned, she ended up in Tenerife with Berg, Rachel et al., doing lots of FFing. She was married to a guy called Monty -- also in Tenerife -- but he got turfed out of TF shortly after because he had doubts about FFing. She's in that famous FF photo -- bottom left. Cedar -- now Sue again -- joined Berg's staff in late 70's when he fled Tenerife and travelled around Europe with them. She took on the name Joy then. She remained with them in the role of secretary and general maidservant until about 1995. She also did short stints in nearby Creations Homes to get retraining. Along the way she picked up a few more nicknames -- Trust and Hope (which was a print name -- for use in Family publications. In the early 90's, Sue legally changed her name to Angela Smith -- King County Courthouse in Seattle. Many of Zerby and Berg's staff did the same thing -- dividing into Smiths and Browns. For example, Peter is Chris Smith, while John PI is Kevin Brown and Gabe (aka Terry Martin, Jeremy Woods, John,) is Michael Brown. Bonnie, aka Kathleen Fowler, is now Cheryl Brown. This way, when they travelled, they could appear to be members of the same families. In about 1996, Angela was sort of eased out of Zerby's Home to make room for up and coming SGA secretaries to be indoctinated -- a new generation of WS drones. She hooked up with Grant Montgomery -- Gary -- and came to the U.S. they ended up starting up FCF with others -- where she worked as a secretary and eventually became a rubber-stamp director. In the last few years she was flitting around the U.S., doing errands for Zerby and other inconsequential stuff. She must have got involved with Zerby's parents at some point, as she became a director of their retirement home. Probably because Zerby was funneling money to them, just like Berg did to his relatives. Tragic. In 1996 A(reply to this comment)

From onlooker Thursday, January 13, 2005, 04:37 (Agree/Disagree?) thank you data dude. I had been wondering how it all tied in when I noticed in one of the newspaper articles that Angela was on the board of the retirement home that Zerby's family are running in Tucson.(reply to this comment)

From onlooker Thursday, January 13, 2005, 04:37 (Agree/Disagree?) thank you data dude. I had been wondering how it all tied in when I noticed in one of the newspaper articles that Angela was on the board of the retirement home that Zerby's family are running in Tucson.(reply to this comment)

From Nancy Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 20:15 (Agree/Disagree?) With just a little info, like current or former legal names, I can get most any other information on these folks. I can get property in their names, corporate affiliations, social security numbers, possibly even passport numbers. I can find out credit info and bank account info as well. I can also get info on members of their family, even extended. This kind of information is incredibly useful, especially to discredit and contradict the outward appearances they create for themselves. What info I don't have direct access to in consumer and legal databases and search databases, I can get through a firm investigator. (reply to this comment)

From Data dude Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 20:35 (Agree/Disagree?) Ok Nancy, let's see what you can do. Terry Martin -- born Minnesota -- is now Michael Brown Sam Perfillio is now Kevin Brown Stephen Douglas Kelly is now Christopher Smith (maybe changed again?) Kathleen Fowler is now Cheryl Brown Barbara Ann Emerson Thomas Mestyanek Jacqueline Sue Scott Karen Zerby -- probably legally changed her name. Thomas Hack Gayle Kelly For the Browns and the Smiths, if you can access King County Courthouse files, info may be there -- it's public record. (reply to this comment)

From xolox Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 22:45 (Agree/Disagree?) data dude, or anyone else who may know, I live in Seattle. Perhaps I can spare a day to poke around King counties public records. I've never done this before, (as it just seems so boring), so if you know of any procedure or paperwork I can put in order to accomplish this with as least trouble as possible, it would be great. also I have a question: Who wrote the Techi book?(reply to this comment)

From Skanska Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 21:52 (Agree/Disagree?) Most of this information and much more is already on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_God). If any of you have information that is not in this article already, please send it to me via my email address (see my profile). Thank you!(reply to this comment)

From NVC Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 20:17 (Agree/Disagree?) GREAT. c'mon data dudes wherever you are, this is your chance!!(reply to this comment)

From Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 19:59 (Agree/Disagree?) They could have picked the Soprano's when you think of it. Peter could be Peter Soprano or Chris Soprano. Zerby could definitely be Soprano as well. Who needs to watch The Soprano's when you have this kind of real life almost too bizarre to almost seem fiction??(reply to this comment)

From NVC Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 19:12 (Agree/Disagree?) I have the original Family publication. In the caption it says:" Front Row: Sue, Rachel, King & Queen of Love, Sara." She is the one on the left next to Rachel who is next to Berg. Also, in all the pics in TF publication Sue is the only one together with Berg, Zerby and Sara whose face is consistently doctored up. No problem for Lattin to claim she is Sue. In this book FULL of pics there is no trace of a secretary called Hope. Sue/Angela was indeed a 30 year- plus member of TF/Cog at top leadership levels. (reply to this comment)

From photoman Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 20:58 (Agree/Disagree?) here is a link to the famous photo. Sue is on the left next to rachel next to berg. http://www26.brinkster.com/hamelin/_lecturaNDN.asp?id=31&pagina=1(reply to this comment)

From jadedchick Thursday, January 13, 2005, 15:05 (Agree/Disagree?) yeah, that's definitely her. tho her her was shorter when i lived with her at nacro.(reply to this comment)

From geo Thursday, January 13, 2005, 11:22 (Agree/Disagree?) good pic, notice how he surrounded himself with women who looked like his mother.(reply to this comment)

From Alleygata Friday, January 21, 2005, 18:14 (Agree/Disagree?) Didn't Rachell write a book about her years in TF? Anyone know the name of it?(reply to this comment)