|
|
 |
|
Getting Through : Dealing
A Power Point Memorial to Ricky | from Samuel - Saturday, September 09, 2006
accessed 5918 times I'm doing a Power Point presentation on to try to keep Ricky's story alive. It starts with the question, "What is Family Care Foundation?", exposes the links between them and The Family, and then begins Ricky's story. Knowing that The Family has suggested that Ricky's friends manipulated Ricky and contributed to Angela Smith's death through our influence, I want to add this at the end to the Memorial part of the presentation, and want your opinions on it.
" Ricky didn’t have to die. It was so unnecessary. But he did, and now it falls on his friends and those who knew him to make sure justice is served for every one of the child abusers. This is what Ricky would have wanted, and what those who were abused deserve.
We have nothing against individuals in The Family. We’ve been raised with some of them, and it breaks our hearts to know that we have been able to leave the manipulative cult and move on, while they have not. If anything, my wish in making this presentation is to help them see what The Family is really about.
We were raised in the same cult Ricky was raised in. We have seen the effects of violence. We know what it can do to human life, and we abhor it. We regret that Ricky saw his actions as the only path to justice. There are so many other paths that he could have taken, but he chose murder and suicide. The fact that Peter and Queen Maria are spreading rumors that we, Ricky’s friends, may have had something to do with the murder, just shows them for the loveless animals that they are.
What kind of mother would treat their son in such a way? When they claim that Ricky was not abused, they are in essence calling him a liar! What kind of pastor, or spiritual leader would do that publicly to their dead son, in front of their entire congregation? We would rather have Ricky alive today, even if it meant that Angela Smith would also be alive. "
What do you think? Can you agree with what I just said? I'm not going to pretend that I speak for everyone here, that would be irresponsible. If I can get 20 people on this site to respond favorably ("I Agree", five thumbs up, Right on!, etc.) then I will include it in the presentation as is. Otherwise, I'll change all the "We" to "I". I just think it would be more powerful the way it is now.
Maybe there's something that you disagree with and think other people feel likewise. Maybe you think something should be added. Feel free to mention that too.
See y'all later,
Samuel Mercuri
|
|
|
|
|
Reader's comments on this article Add a new comment on this article |  from sarafina
Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 09:33
(Agree/Disagree?)
Sam, It's a good idea however we did write a letter like that and most signed thier names to it already..you can view it here..and you can add your name if you like.
"Open Letter to the family from some of your children." http://www.movingon.org/article.asp?sID=4&Cat=24&ID=2488
(reply to this comment)
| | | |  From Samuel
Thursday, September 14, 2006, 18:28
(Agree/Disagree?)
Good advice. If you want me to send you the presentation so you can look at it, I can do that. Otherwise, I think I'm going to keep the presentation to myself. It is now called " The Family and the Story of Ricky Rodriguez". If someone who knew Ricky better wants to use my work for ideas or post it with a few changes, let me know. I hate to see all my work not get put to use, so maybe someone can still use it. Come to think of it, Sara and the others are right. Even though I know what my motives were, and I believe they were not selfish, I understand that the act of someone who did not know Ricky posting his story can sound a bit concieted.
Yes, I do have an agenda. My agenda is to bring The Family's practices of Child Abuse into the light, and I believe Ricky had a similar agenda. This is what drew me into making the presentation. So if anyone who knew Ricky better wants to use it for ideas or for their own work, let me know. However, unless you post it as I have left it without changing anything, I will ask that you remove my name from the first slide.
If no one wants it, don't think that's it's going to go to waste. I'll still use it for myself, but it won't do very much good to anyone else that way.
By the way, I mentioned Godaddy.com earlier. They have free websites with 5 GB space, 250 GB bandwidth. You just have to order a domain name, and allow them to put ads on your site. Otherwise, that kind of site will set you back about $3.50 a month.
I will talk to you guys later,
Samuel Mercuri (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | from Samuel
Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 17:43
(Agree/Disagree?)
Rainchild,
Sorry but it seems this is the only way to contact you since you don't have an e-mail address on this site.
The presentation is almost ready, and I'd like someone to see it before I make it public. My English professor always told me that it's a good idea to have someone else read your work before you "turn it in", or go public with it in this case because it's easy to overlook your own mistakes. You'd pretty much just need to go through the thing and look for misspelled words, bad layout, whatever may have happened. If you'd like to do that, just give me your e-mail address and I'll send it to you. My e-mail address is JesusFreak80@verizon.net. I'm probably going to make a website with Godaddy.com. They seem like the best bet right now.
See ya later,
Samuel Mercuri
(reply to this comment)
| | | | from Another idiot
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 14:45
(Agree/Disagree?)
I'm confused. I thought Sept 11 was the date of the 9/11 terrorists attacks. Was Ricky involved with those? Was the Family?
(reply to this comment)
| | | | | | | From Samuel
Monday, September 11, 2006, 16:51
(Agree/Disagree?)
No, but they sure did something to wake me up.
I had always bought the Anti American/Israeli- Pro Arab line that The Family always pushed. I had always felt safe from terrorists, and felt that the Arabs were misunderstood. I remember travelling to Italy several times, my biggest fear was being robbed by gypsies.
Then September 11th changed everything. I found out about what had happened at work. The economy was in bad shape, so I was left with the impression that it was a group of guys, possibly pilots, that got laid off or something and wanted to give a final "Up Yours!" to their supervisors before they committed suicide. Because Islamic hijackers didn't make any sense to me. That made me feel unsafe, my store had fired an employee a few months back, who we were never really sure of (he ended up getting fired for asking a customer if she had a cigarette lighter when he carried her groceries to her car.) Big mistake, because the woman was friends with the store manager!
I wanted answers. I waited patiently for the pubs to come and when they did, I was in for a shock! They said we were responsible for it! They said this was God's judgment on America! But I knew enough to know that God is fair and just so my first question when I read that was "What could 3,000 American people possibly have done to upset God and provoke his judgment?"
I knew that President Bush was a man that feared God. So I started listening to what he had to say, and he made a ton more sense than anything The Family was publishing. I don't agree with him on everything, but I didn't agree with The Family on anything as far as current events were concerned anymore! Me and my parents finally left in early 2003.
Then we found James Penn's writings, and realized we had definitely made the right choice!(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Samuel
Sunday, September 17, 2006, 05:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
Even rhetoric deserves a response.
George Bush said he was going to find the terrorists and bring them to justice.
The Family said the terrorists had brought us to justice.
George Bush said we had lost the Columbia, and the astronauts on board were in the loving hands of God.
The Family said God didn't protect them because Americans had failed to pray for it this time, and because this was supposed to be his sign that we shouldn't go into Iraq.
George Bush said "I can hear you, the whole world hears you, and the men who knocked these towers down will hear us all..."
"Dad" said not to let people in America or Europe hear your Anti-American views about them. But if you're in a country that is hostile to Americans, let 'em have it! (That's not being deceptive, that's just being wise)
George Bush said Osama Bin laden was a terrorist and needed to be brought to justice.
"Dad" said Osama Bin Laden was probably just a scapegoat, and that the Jews had planned the 9/11 attacks.
George Bush said freedom is God's gift to mankind.
"Dad" said the War on Terror would only hurt Afghanistan, and the war was fought to profit the rich. (Who exactly would profit from the resources in Afghanistan, Home Depot's sand department?)
"Dad" said the West was horrible and didn't want to help in Kosovo, because they didn't have anything that the West wanted. Then a year later the war started, and "Dad" then said it was wrong for the West to go to war in Kosovo, and they had alterior motives. (Apparently even ghosts can have trouble making up their minds)
George Bush said we were at war with radical Islam.
"Dad" said that radical Islam did not exist. The Jews are the real terrorists.
I could go on and on, but that doesn't sound like something you'd want.
Samuel Mercuri(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From AnnaH
Sunday, September 17, 2006, 12:20
 (Agree/Disagree?)
Yes, please, don't say anymore. You've obviously left one cult just to join another: the cult of the USA.
That's all peachy keen what George Bush has to say about terrorism and freedom and other such vomit, but people say a lot of things. That's why we judge them not by what they say, but by what they do.
So what has George Bush done? Are we really so much safer? The bulk of our forces is off fighting an unsuccessful war, digging ourselves deeper and deeper into this shit. What happens when a real threat attacks and there's no one here besides the Texans with their four guns for every man, woman, and child to protect us. Hmm?
Where is Osama Bin Laden? We caught a completely different "terrorist." Don't you wonder what the fuck happened to the first one?
What has George Bush given me? I don't feel safer, the rest of the world hates us more than ever. We've spent billions of dollars on a useless war that we could have been investing in schools, socializing health care, everything that could better our nation, even strengthening our defenses. But oh no, when we ask these questions, they respond with ooh Terrorism! Ooh 9/11! Ooh, freedoms! Oh, but they're protecting us! So they can shit all over our civil liberties and our real freedoms with no consequences. And I'm anti-America for complaining about that.
What has he given everyone but the assurance that he will wipe out terrorism? That's impossible. And you're a fool to believe him. By their fruits ye shall know them, not by their words. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From AnnaH
Sunday, December 31, 2006, 13:43
(Agree/Disagree?)
What a bunch of sentimental tripe. You'd rather die than live without freedom but you stand behind something like the Patriot Act which is slowly chipping away at our civil liberties all in the name of said freedom. Everything you said sounds like the same regurgitated hogwash I hear from a million other americans espousing the values of Fox News.
As Oddman so eloquently expressed below, the goal of terrorism is not to take away freedom. It is a desperate measure to make your cause known. To classify it as nothing but pure hatred("of our freedoms") is incredibly simplistic and was the vomit I was referring to; not terrorism in itself or freedom but the way those two words have been perverted to justify a war. (reply to this comment) |
| | From Oddman
Sunday, December 31, 2006, 13:07
(Agree/Disagree?)
I'd have to disagree with this comment. While I certainly wouldn't refer to freedom as "vomit", the drivel that bubbles from Dubya's trap is well deserving of such compliment. Further, I dispute the notion that the goal of terrorism is to take away freedom. The goal of terrorism is to gain freedom. Terrorism is an extention of sabotage, and was invented by people fighting a superior adversary. The basic tactics of terrorism have been used by leading powers, including the USA. If we look at most of the organizations considered terrorists, we would find that most are fighting for territorial governance. "Because I do it with one small ship, I am called a terrorist. You do it with a whole fleet and are called an emperor"(City of God). While I do not agree with or condone the targeting of civilians, the "terrorists" have little option. The world has accepted the use of terrorism in cases where the end result was acceptable. Case in point being the creation of Israel, and the anti-apartheid struggle in South Africa. 9/11, Bali, London, Spain, these were all unforgivable acts. But we must not vilify the motives along with the methods. It is desperation that pushes these men to extreme methods. It is the volley of retaliation that breeds hatred, making men callous to the point of inhumane brutality. We will never end terrorism by apprehending or murdering "terrorists". In the mind of these combatants, they are fighting a noble war against great oppression. To end terrorism, we must remove the root cause. We must reduce the oppresion. We must give them freedom. If their freedom is a threat to us, we must endeavor to change their apetites. As Noam Chomsky aptly put it, "Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it".
Liberty and democracy become unholy when their hands are dyed red with innocent blood. ~ Mahatma Gandhi ~
The chain reaction of evil, wars producing more wars, must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.
~ Martin Luther King, Jr ~
While the bible is text that should not have been recorded, there is one verse which I wholeheartedly accept. Peace on earth, and good will to all men. Those of all colors, those of all professions, those of all faiths. Only when all men accept diversity, can we end terrorism. Let us be the better men and take the first step, not the first shot.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From Samuel
Sunday, September 17, 2006, 16:54
(Agree/Disagree?)
The rest of the world hated us for years because they're jealous of America's success. The only difference is that now they're starting to voice it.
It's not going to change my opinion of this country. I love it and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else!
There are people in the armed forces that are doing a lot more than "wondering" what happened to the first terrorist, they're atcively looking for him.
Do you honestly think the Kerry administration would have bene able to stop the attacks that were in their final stages in England recently? I doubt that very much. We are safer, we just don't feel it because you don't know what terrosists want to attack, so we can't see that the fact that those buildings, places, people, still stand is proof that we are safer from terrorism than we were on 9/10.
Dude, you really want socialized health care? Get ready for federal sales tax, high income taxes, and taxes on just about everything because that's how they raise money in other socialized countries like Canada, England, and Italy. No matter what, someone pays for it. We can rule people on welfare, and the rich, because they always have loopholes.
I'm sorry you feel that spending money to help the Iraqis in their fight for freedom is a waste. What would have been a waste is if Kerry had been elected and pulled the US out of Iraq to make room for poorly trained UN soldiers. You think our equipment is bad? Wait until you see the UN's.
What kind of freedoms are you talking about? International spying? You have the right to call civilized people if you want and expect privacy, but you don't have the right to call terrorists and expect privacy. If someone in this country calls a terrorist, I want the CIA, FBI, European Intelligence, everyone who's available all over that call! Maybe it's a wrong number. Or maybe they're talking about blowing up something. At least then we'll know and we can prepare accordingly.
The problem is that we have a faceless enemy. No embassies to tap, no listed phone numbers or addresses. If someone in this country calls the KGB, or Chinese intelligence, you would expect our CIA to be all over that! Well, this is a different kind of war. If the government does not spy on international phone class made from here, they have no way of knowing what's going to happen next. That will cost a lot more money for domestic security, and we still won't be safer than with the program the Bush administration had.
Sleep well,
Samuel Mercuri (reply to this comment) |
| | From Oddman
Sunday, December 31, 2006, 13:14
(Agree/Disagree?)
"The rest of the world hated us for years because they're jealous of America's success"
I beg to differ. Many other nations resent the USA for meddling in their affairs, too often in an effort to stunt their success in order to maintain American superiority. Rather than "Wish we were as successful", I think it's more of "If you'd quit fucking with us, we'd be just as successful". I think there is a difference. I could go on about this, but I digress.(reply to this comment) |
| | From AnnaH
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:21
(Agree/Disagree?)
So just because we don't see it doesn't mean it's not there, right? I've used this example before for a chauvinist pig, but just in case you didn't see it, here it is again. This is a common logical fallacy called Correlation implies Causation.
Following Example Courtesy of Wikipedia:
An entertaining demonstration of this fallacy once appeared in an episode of The Simpsons (Season 7, "Much Apu About Nothing"). The city had just spent millions of dollars creating a highly sophisticated "Bear Patrol" in response to the sighting of a single bear the week before.
Homer: Not a bear in sight. The "Bear Patrol" is working like a charm!
Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: [uncomprehendingly] Thanks, honey.
Lisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Hmm. How does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work. (pause) It's just a stupid rock!
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: (pause) Lisa, I want to buy your rock.
You are basically telling me to believe that because the government says this whole terror watch thing is working, that I'm supposed to believe it without any actual evidence. "You don't see any terrorism around, do you?" And a couple of bomb scares that we supposedly prevented isn't enough to convice me of the facade of a nation "under attack." I've only seen one attack that the government failed to do anything about, and I'm happy they've decided to the job they're supposed to, but I'm not buying this beige threat shit.
Do you hear yourself? The rest of the world has always been jealous of us? That is the most pathetic and childish argument anyone could ever make. That statement right there is why the rest of the world hates us. Because people like you think we're the kings of the world and that we can just go into country we like and shit all over it without respect for anyone else. And then when they complain, you say they're jealous. But it has to end sometime. The world isn't gonna stand by and let you bully them for long. It will be a sad day for Americans, hopefully I and my family will be long gone, maybe in Canada, while all your type get taken down a few pegs.
And yes, Samuel, I do want socialized health care and I don't care about the taxes because it would benefit me too. It would benefit everyone. Health Care should be a basic right to every individual. People shouldn't have to go bankrupt because they need a life-threatening operation. Women in labor should not be turned away from hospitals because they can't afford a bed.
Oh, and I'm also a terrible person, because I don't care about the Iraqi's freedom. You see, my definition of freedom is obviously different from yours because I don't believe that killing tens of thousands of Iraqis to "liberate" them is freedom. Sure, they're liberated from their homes, their loved ones, and even their lives. And if you dare say that that's the price of freedom, then I dare you to say that to people that have lost everything, and tell them that they are better off now. I hope they roast you on a spit. Yeah, Saddam was terrible, but so are hundreds of other leaders. At least he had them mostly under control, ruling with an iron fist, now you've opened up a Pandora's box that's gonna be pretty hard to close. How many more people will die, how many soldiers, how many civilians, how many iraqis until they're "better off?"
I'd also recommend you watch the movie Red Dawn. It's a very heroic, patriotic american movie. I'm not gonna give away anything, but let's see if you get how their situation applies to the war in Iraq. (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
 (Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She doesn't work, and your tax dollars are paying for health care for her and all her kids. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 11:02
(Agree/Disagree?)
Then there's an old man sitting on the other side compalining because he can't smoke a cigarette in a public building. Both of these people are getting free health care from the government, which means they don't have to worry about higher insurance rates because they smoke, or having to pay for health insurance for another child. They can do as they please and be a burden on the American system. The problem with that is: we, the workers, are the American system.(reply to this comment) |
| | From AnnaH
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 11:44
(Agree/Disagree?)
Well, a good many of the workers aren't getting health care. Not every employer offers it and not every employee can afford to pay out the nose for it. I'm not even gonna address the old man smoking issue, because that's just going to go into tobacco companies and nicotine and addiction, and we don't want to get into that.
The gist of what you're saying is that we're going to have to take care of a bunch of free-loaders. You're absolutely right, but that's one of things we're gonna have to live with to ensure that everyone gets the help they need. There will always be people to take advantage of the system. But then are the countless more that really do need help, who are good honest people down on their luck. My family was on welfare for a little while when we left TF, but my parents got jobs and were able to better their situation so we didn't need it anymore. Maybe it's the other way around, maybe it's the losers who are the majority on welfare. Personally, I can sleep better at night knowing that the fraction of people who deserve help are getting it. That's why we have these programs in place, because it's our civic duty.
Think what it would be like if we didn't have this? Where would these people go? What would they do? My speculation is they would be on the streets begging, and crime would be up, including prostitution. But what the hell do I know?
Now think what you would do if you were suddenly laid off. What if you had no friends or family to help you out? What if you had debts and bills you couldn't pay? What if you were unable to find work anywhere, not even fast food, not even shoveling ditches? How would you live, where would you go? Where would you put your posessions that you couldn't live without? Homeless shelters don't let people leave their things there for the day. How are you gonna interview for a job with no presentable clothes? Who's gonna cut your hair? And especially, what would you do if you couldn't collect employment or welfare? You would be homeless and you would be on the streets begging. You would be at the mercy of other people's kindness.
You put these people into one category, and there's thousands of different cases. I had to visit many homeless shelters and talk to the people who volunteered there, and the homeless people that went there. The Salvation Army Women's Shelter has many women that are escaping domestic abuse, some with their children. I never would have pictured that when thinking of homeless people. The key word here is people, like you and me, but not as fortunate.
I realize I made this mostly about welfare, but I meant to use it as an example for social programs that we have in place or need to be in place. So many people need this, we can't sit by and let them suffer because they're too poor or too unfortunate to do anything about it. You can't just say it's these people's fault they're sick. We both know that isn't true, at least not most of the time. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She doesn't work, and your tax dollars are paying for health care for her and all her kids. (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She doesn't work, and your tax dollars are paying for health care for her and all her (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She doesn't work, and your tax dollars are paying for health care for her and all (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She doesn't work, and your tax dollars are paying for health care for her and (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She doesn't work, and your tax dollars are paying for health care for her (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She doesn't work, and your tax dollars are paying for health care for (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She doesn't work, and your tax dollars are paying for health care (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She doesn't work, and your tax dollars are paying for health (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She doesn't work, and your tax dollars are paying for (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She doesn't work, and your tax dollars are paying (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She doesn't work, and your tax dollars are (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She doesn't work, and your tax dollars (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She doesn't work, and your tax (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She doesn't work, and your (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She doesn't work, and (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She doesn't work, a(reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She doesn't (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. She (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different fathers. (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 different (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by 15 (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids by (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 kids (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with 13 (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there with (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman there (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign woman (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a foreign (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be a (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might be (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there might (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:58
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor there (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor you may see a foreign woman there with 13 kids (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor you may see a foreign woman there with 13 (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor you may see a foreign woman there with (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor you may see a foreign woman there (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor you may see a foreign woman t(reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor you may see a foreign (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor you may see a (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor you may see (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor you may s(reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor you (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the doctor (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to the (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go to t(reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you go (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When you (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. When (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody works. (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not everybody (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: not e(reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem is: (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the problem (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But the (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. But (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health care. (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized health (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for socialized (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes for (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of taxes (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot of (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a lot (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay a (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to pay (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having to (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about having (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care about (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't care (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you don't (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that you (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand that (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I understand (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 10:56
(Agree/Disagree?)
I rarely watch The Simpsons, and have not seen that episode. But apparently the show brought out something good. Just because we don't see the threat of terrorism doesn't mean it's not there. I've you've been watching the news, you may have seen a video with an old fat guy on it dressed in weird looking clothes and what looked like a towel on his head. I hate to tell you this, but that was the second in command of Al Qaeda, and he said in the video that he wants to kill Americans. So, at this point, it looks like we ned the Department of Homeland Security on the ball, and paying attention to what the terrorists are doing.
I (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | From Jedran
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 01:50
(Agree/Disagree?)
I would think that you know as little as me about the respective roles of England and America in stopping those planes from blowing up. Do you think that George Bush was personnally involved. Or is it more likely that the identity of the U.S. President has very little to do with the actual fieldwork done by various american investigative agencies and that the fact that information is shared between American and English agencies has nothing to do with who is sitting in the oval office. (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 09:17
(Agree/Disagree?)
Bush was responsible for the kind of information sharing among agencies that we have today. Remember before when the CIA had information about terrorists and the FBI was following the flight schools, and noone knew what the other was doing? So no one thought anything of it until September 11th happened.
Bush understood that our government was capable of finding information about terrorists plans, but had a problem communicating between agencies. So he changed everything, and even set up a new department whose sole job is to gather the information and figure out what the terrorists are trying to do. Because when you really think about it, the FBI is trained to do investigations and catch criminals, not try to figure out which building the terrorists want to attack. The CIA is trained to spy on other nations that are hostile to us, not terrorists. The IRS is trained to collect taxes and review information. It is not trained to follow the terrorists money trail. While they can all do these things, they are not specially trained for it. The Department of Homeland Security, however, is.
Would Kerry have thought about that? I think not.
(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | from Hmmmmm
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 07:57
(Agree/Disagree?)
Did you even know Ricky personally???
For some reason I smell an agenda here. I think that any tributes should come from the heart and I think that could best be done by someone that knew and loved him personally.
(reply to this comment)
| From AnnaH
Monday, September 11, 2006, 11:15
(Agree/Disagree?)
Amen to that. This is a level of tackiness akin to making a movie about a tragedy a few years after it happened, or painting an obituary on your car(a trend that I've been noticing far too much). Excuse me, but this grief has been broadcasted enough to the world as a preventive measure that the suggestion of a powerpoint presentation making a difference is unbelievably trite. It was sad, our hearts go out to him, but let us leave it to the people who really suffer his loss to grieve. We can still fight for him and the rights of family members without posting worthless glurge all over the internet. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From AndyH
Tuesday, September 12, 2006, 08:42
(Agree/Disagree?)
Well, I think it's great. A powerpoint presentation can really expose the family, this is what we've been missing all along. Finally, after all the newspaper and magazine articles, news coverage, documentaries books, and ex-member community sites, finally, this powerpoint presentation will expose the family.
God bless you Samuel. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | From Samuel
Monday, September 11, 2006, 17:15
(Agree/Disagree?)
No, I did not know Ricky personally, but I feel like I did. You know, a decade of Life With Grandpa comics will do that to you. Especially if you're a male and he's the only young male in the series that you can look up to.
Unlike some of you, I didn't have the thick True Komix volumes, Heaven's Girl, Heaven's Children, ecc. I think it was because we were traveling at the time when a lot of those books came out. I think I only got to read about 25% of Heaven's Girl before it was purged. If I wanted to get some "Word Time", there wasn't that much variety available.
Like I said before, the presentation isn't all about Ricky. It's about:
preventing Family Care Foundation from hiding.
bringing out the facts that children WERE abused in The Family, and that The Family sees nothing wrong with it.
possibly helping someone inside to see The Family for what it really is.
possibly preventing someone from joining The Family.
A short portion at the end of the presentation will be a memorial for Ricky.
If you have any ideas on how to take The Family down, whether it be with Power Point or Excel, I'd like to hear about it, Anna. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Samuel
Tuesday, September 12, 2006, 19:06
(Agree/Disagree?)
Yeah,b ut you know Maria and Peter would be thousands of miels away and grant Montgomery would end up taking the fall for them. Quite a happy thought come to think of it, but I'd still prefer to see all three of them in jail.
Tax fraud. My goodness, so many outlaws have finally been brought down with tax fraud.
Question: What's the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance?
Answer: 5 to 10 years!
Okay, I'm leaving now.
Samuel Mercuri(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | From Rain Child
Monday, September 11, 2006, 20:06
(Agree/Disagree?)
Oh you poor boy...you only got to read a quarter of Heaven's Girl? So you didn't grow up thinking that if you ever had the honour of being gang-raped by ten soldiers it was your duty to be a witness for Jesus and show them God's love? Or that if there was an influential older man you should probably have sex with him, get pregnant, and be stuck with him the rest of your life so that he would protect The Family? How deprived.(reply to this comment) |
| | From AndyH
Monday, September 11, 2006, 20:17
(Agree/Disagree?)
Now aha on the orhte r hand hfucking roxcks, way for much bedder than abba, seriously , abba sucks, ia NEVER undretossodd ythereir appel . But theAT video was the borfedmnd did y9ou7 ever see that vie43eaos were he draws in to that fanstastady world? thatshit was cool? did you see that fajlulay guy epoisefe where HE gies into that world throurt ha THER mil k carton>? thatshit was cool> tajk;ljaldsfkj lewj45 ytimes.? Seriously brett? Where did you leecve you sould? Mosul? Al kut"? Just because it's a blockafe doesn't mean they aren't human! WTF happened to you? YOu used to have ethics, you'rer aqbgeasted, fuck offff anddd ide
(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | from AnnaH
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 06:55
(Agree/Disagree?)
So, your Computer Applications class is covering Microsoft Powerpoint and you think this is the key to changing the world, eh? This whole thing reeks of a school assignment. Maybe next you can bring down The Family through the magic of Microsoft Excel!
(reply to this comment)
| from Samuel
Monday, September 11, 2006 - 04:55
(Agree/Disagree?)
What would help is if anyone has the list of those who died without proper recognition and had doves released for them at Ricky's funeral. I saw it on the WAG TV documentary, but unfortunately they spoke over most of the list as it was read off. If someone has access to the list, it would be great to momorialize them at the end. Otherwise that slide will merely say this.
"Ricky is not the only one who found himself making destructive decisions because of the cult. At his memorial, a list was read of those raised in the cult who had passed away but were never remembered. A dove was released for each of them. "
That is on the right part of the slide. On the left will be the picture of Elixcia releasing Ricky's dove.
Samuel Mercuri
(reply to this comment)
| | | | | | | from The Onion
Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 12:39
(Agree/Disagree?)
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30903
Project Manager Leaves Suicide PowerPoint Presentation
February 9, 2005 | Issue 41•06
PORTLAND, OR—Project manager Ron Butler left behind a 48-slide PowerPoint presentation explaining his tragic decision to commit suicide, coworkers reported Tuesday.
"When I first heard that Ron had swallowed an entire bottle of sleeping pills, I was shocked," said Hector Benitez, Butler's friend and coworker at Williams+Kennedy Marketing Consultants. "But after the team went through Ron's final PowerPoint presentation, I had a solid working knowledge of the pain he was feeling, his attempts to cope, and the reasons for his ultimate decision."
"I just wish he would've shot me an e-mail asking for help," Benitez added.
Butler broke his presentation into four categories: Assessment Of Current Situation, Apologies & Farewells, Will & Funeral Arrangements, and Final Thoughts.
According to Williams+Kennedy president Bradford Williams, finalgoodbye.ppt was "clear, concise, and persuasive."
"After everyone left the room, I sat down and went through Ron's final presentation in slide-sorter view," Williams said. "Man, I gotta tell you, it blew me away. That presentation really utilized the full multimedia capabilities of Microsoft's PowerPoint application."
"We're really gonna miss Ron around here," Williams added.
In the presentation's first section, a three-dimensional bar graph illustrated the growth of Butler's sorrow during the two years since his wife and only child died in a car accident.
"We all got Ron's message loud and clear when that JPEG of his wife wipe-transitioned to a photo of her tombstone," coworker Anne Thibideux said.
The first section closed with a review of key objectives and critical success factors. The two-column text display was enlivened by colorful background wallpaper and clip-art question marks depicting Ron's confusion over his choice.
The second portion of the presentation comprised an ordered list of goodbyes to colleagues and apologies to friends.
"The colors in Apologies & Farewells were perfectly calibrated for digital-projector display," I.T. director Bill Schapp said. "I think Ron was the only guy at W+K who understood the importance of running the Gretag-Macbeth Eye-One Beamer on presentations."
The third segment, Will & Funeral Arrangements, included a list of Butler's friends and family indexed with phone numbers, a last will and testament, and scrolling-text instructions for the dissemination of his ashes.
"To Ron's credit, it was one helluva way to go out," human resources manager Gail Everts said. "Ron clearly spent a lot of time on that presentation. If the subject matter weren't so heavy, we'd probably use it to train his replacement."
Copywriter Gita Pruriyaran said the presentation "had room for improvement."
"I felt some of the later transitions were weak," Pruriyaran said. "The point of a transition is to maintain audience interest and lighten the mood. To me, the door-closing sound effects in Will & Funeral were repetitive and heavy-handed. But Ron's choice to end with that Hamlet quote and then fade to black was really powerful. There wasn't a dry eye in the room when Hector flipped off the projector and brought up the lights."
Coworkers were shocked to learn that Butler's document was initially created on Aug. 8, 2004.
"I should have seen this coming, but I didn't," Benitez said. "When Ron started deleting all of his old files last week, I thought he was worried about another hard-drive crash. I never imagined he was, you know, preparing."
"If only we'd all paid more attention to Ron during the Microsoft Project workshop he held last month," Benitez added.
Butler is survived by his parents Gerald and Martha Butler, who described their relationship with their son as "distant."
"Ron would e-mail us photos and home movies, but we're not very good with computers," said Gerald, 71, a retired postal worker. "We tried to stay close, but we just never learned how to open up those files. At the very end, Ron was sending us his suicidal thoughts, but we didn't get the instant message—until it was too late."
Williams+Kennedy vice president Vivien Esterhaus said Butler "will not be forgotten."
"We have made arrangements for his PowerPoint presentation to be stored in the W+K off-site secure file-storage archive," Esterhaus said. "Barring a virus or major computer malfunction, his final words will always be accessible. If only Ron could've been saved, too."
(reply to this comment)
| from Ideas
Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 18:24
(Agree/Disagree?)
In all-caps, my free advice (which is worth what it costs :-)
"We have nothing against INNOCENT individuals in The Family. We’ve been raised with some of them, and it breaks our hearts to know that we have been able to leave the manipulative cult and move on, while they have not. If anything, my wish in making this presentation is to help them see what The Family is really about.
We were raised in the same cult Ricky was raised in. We have seen the effects of violence. We know what it can do to human life, and we abhor it. We regret that Ricky saw his actions as the only path to justice. There are so many other paths that he could have taken, but he chose murder and suicide. HIS LAST MESSAGE SUGGESTS THAT NONE OF THE OTHER PATHS, IF HE COULD EVEN SEE HIS WAY CLEARLY TO KNOW THEY WERE AN OPTION, SEEMED LIKA A RATIONAL CHOICE IN HIS DESPAIR. The fact that Peter and Queen Maria are spreading rumors that THOSE OF US WHO WERE Ricky’s friends, may have had something to do with the murder, just shows THEIR lovelessNESS. [MY PONT: I DON'T KNOW OF ANY ANIMALS WHO ARE THAT LOVELESS TO THEIR OFFSPRING!]
What kind of mother would treat their son in such a way? When they claim that Ricky was not abused, they are in essence calling him a liar! [DUH. OH, AND THEY ARE CALLING THEMSELVES, PUBLISHERS OF THE DAVIDITO BOOK, THE MENE SERIES AND OTHER VOMIT, LIARS TOO.] What kind of pastor, or spiritual leader would do that publicly to their dead son, in front of their entire congregation? [NOT SURE IT WOULD BE SO RARE FOR A "PASTOR" TO DO TO THEIR "WAYWARD" SON, WHAT WOULD BE MORE RARE IS THAT THE PASTOR WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ONES WHO SCREWED HIM UP BY SCREWING HIM AND OTHER CROMES.] We would rather have Ricky alive today, even if it meant that Angela Smith would also be alive [??? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I HAVE NO RELIEF IN ANGELA'S DEATH]."
FINALLY, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU SIMPLY CLARIFY THAT YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING FOR EVERYBODY, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF YOUR FELLOW SURVIVORS MAY HAVE SIMILAR SENTIMENTS.
(reply to this comment)
| From Samuel
Saturday, September 09, 2006, 18:56
(Agree/Disagree?)
Thanks, bro. It sounds like that's what I'll be doing. I just thought about the particular issue of violence (which The Family is going to bring up. I'm willing to bet my entire collection of bootleg tapes and CD's on that.)
I realize that the main thing I wanted people to agree on, being against violence (so we could have a united stand against The Family's lies), can be quite controversial. You're right about the loveless animals part, animals tend to love their offspring. Loveless psychopaths maybe? Maybe I can post a stupid poll like another regular attender on this site does. Just kidding.
By the way, I was also going to put a slide at the end memorializing the people on the list that was read at the Memorial. However, I rewatched the WAG TV documentary only to find that they spoke over the list halfway through. But Rainchild has a point, if it's going to be something for Ricky, then it should focus at least mostly on Ricky. In my opinion, the slides on The Family do focus on Ricky's story, because you cannot understand his story without them. You know, like the Law of Love, FFing, and fleeing the US.
Samuel Mercuri
(reply to this comment) |
| | From
Saturday, September 09, 2006, 20:11
(Agree/Disagree?)
The Family says they are against violence, but that is because they have an unconscionably narrow definition of violence. They apparently don't see the paddlings of children and youth, slapping the slight Mene accross the room, Berg grabbing her head and shaking it and Peter publicly spanking her and other leaders looking on, as violence. They don't see the rapes of children, of which I was one, as violence. And they of course do not see the exploitation, isolation, deprivation and psychological terrorizing of children as violence.
I am talking here about children and youth who had no defense, no outside recourse, and no exit. MINORS!!!
I recently read an article about Checenn police who tortured a pregnant woman suspected of adultery, Malika Soltayeva. What are these things they did to her that are considered "torture"? Read on:
"The humiliation of Malika Soltayeva, a pregnant Chechen woman suspected of adultery, was ferocious and swift. [...] The local authorities found her at her aunt's residence. They said they had a few questions.
What followed was no investigation. In a law enforcement compound in this town in east-central Chechnya, the men who served as Argun's police sheared away her hair and her eyebrows and painted her scalp green, the color associated with Islam. A thumb-thick cross was smeared on her brow.
Ms. Soltayeva, a Muslim, had slept with a Christian Russian serviceman, they said. Her scarlet letter would be an emerald cross. She was forced to confess, ordered to strip, and beaten with wooden rods and hoses on her buttocks, arms, legs, hands, stomach and back.
''Turn and be condemned by Allah,'' one of her tormentors said, demanding that she position herself so he could strike her more squarely.
The torture of Ms. Soltayeva, recorded on a video obtained by The New York Times, and other recent brutish acts and instances of religious policing, raise questions about Chechnya's direction. [...]
Ms. Soltayeva's own experience, much of which was captured on video, was an accumulation of terror, pain and loss.
She was seized March 19, and mocked throughout a torture session that lasted nearly two hours. ''Call for Sergei!'' one of the policemen said, using the name of her assumed lover as he beat her. ''Sergei! Help!''
Next they told her to dress, and drove her to her husband's courtyard and made her dance before her neighbors. ''Look how ugly you are,'' another policeman said.
When she staggered away, several of them kicked her with their heavy black boots. Two days later she miscarried, and has been largely out of public view since."
My point is that if this can be described as torture, certain minors were certainly victims of torture (yes, I said torture) in places such as The Family's Victor and DTR programs. Claire Borowik and the Family's goody two-shoes "we are against violence" act cannot even be taken seriously.
I am sure we survivors of child abuse in The Family are not surprised that "The episode, which took place five months ago, was not investigated, even though videos showing the torture were passed along on cellphones throughout Argun and other Chechen towns. The videos circulated widely enough that accurate details of her abuse were known by roughly half of the Chechens interviewed by The New York Times. ''It is just outrageous lawlessness,'' Ms. Soltayeva said in an interview in Grozny, Chechnya's capital."" We have seen for years and years that despite videos of children stripping being widely known, nothing happens.
Is this what you are referring to when you write: "We were raised in the same cult Ricky was raised in. We have seen the effects of violence. We know what it can do to human life, and we abhor it."?
(the article quoted was published 8/30/06 and can be found at http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F20D10F63A5A0C738FDDA10894DE404482)(reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Sunday, September 10, 2006, 05:29
(Agree/Disagree?)
Oh my Word! Just hearing about the Chechen women is horrible, awful. They actually published videos of it? I don't disbelieve it though, it certainly sounds like something the Chechen rebels would do.
I worded that statement as best as I could think of. People who were abused in The Family, sexually, psychologically, physically, whatever, must still remember it to this day. In that way, it has an effect on human life. That's why I wanted to make the point that "we are against violence", because some of you were yourselves victims of violence. Maybe I didn't make that clear. Maybe I'm not as good a writer as I thought I was : o )
And I do hate unnecessary violence. I'm talking about: if someone mugs you and steals your wallet or purse, it's all right to run after them, and push them to the ground, so you can snatch it back. It's not all right to beat them half dead after you've retrieved your stuff.
There was a story here in Florida about this guy that robbed a store owner of his wallet. He took off on foot, and the store owner hopped into his car and followed him. He then ran over the thief, killing him. I don't know why, but for some reason he was found not guilty. That is what I would call excessive.
Never mind the article, I'm going to put this stuff in as from myself. No "we" in it. (reply to this comment) |
| | | | | | | | from Rain Child
Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 16:43
 (Agree/Disagree?)
This is just my intial gut feeling, feel free to dismiss it, but it seems to me that beginning with "What is The Family Care Foundation" when doing a memorial to Ricky is rather tasteless, and will leave the feeling that you are somehow using Ricky's story to get attention for your cause. Which of course is what the tragedy is about, maybe I'm not explaining myself very well, but I think it would be more respectful just to come at it with the story of Ricky's life, and how he was directly affected, and what went wrong, and then perhaps at the end add the bit about The Family Care Foundation. It is after all, a memorial to a person, and his personal pain & tragic death, not just a cause. People have pretty good manipulation detectors.
(reply to this comment)
| From Samuel
Saturday, September 09, 2006, 18:12
(Agree/Disagree?)
You're right, but I did it that way in hopes that perhaps Family members might get ahold of it and start reading it. After all, even if you're in The Family, a Power Point presentation titled "What is Family Care Foundation" seems rather innocent. It starts off with the impression that the author is neutral. As I mentioned, it starts with Family Care Foundation, which runs through 7 slides. This is called "What is The Family?" After proving the ties between TF and FCF, I define "What is The Family?" as the bigger more improtant question. Slides 8- 14 give a little background on The Family and the cult Ricky was about to grow up in. Slides 15-21 deal with Ricky's upbringing, the evidence of child abuse, the "persecution", Merry's abuse and testimony, the Judgement in the British Isles case, the passing away of David Berg, and the rise of Peter and Queen Maria. Slides 22-27 deal with Ricky's falling in love, his leaving the cult, the problems he had, his writings, and his tape and suicide. Most of this information I got from the newspapers, though. Slides 28-30 will be the actual memorial.
Maybe I was wrong in the way I worded the title. I wanted something to catch people's attention, and there is a portion at the end to memorialize him. The main reason for the presentation,though, is to tell Ricky's story, particularly to people who are curious about The Family, or Family Care Foundation. Yeah, it could stop from donating a crate of juice to some home. It could also stop someone from joining The Family, and that's the kind of thing I want to see.
I realized two weeks ago, when Ricky's story was on ABC again, and from my understanding it was a re-run, that Ricky's story was going to die if we did not do something about it. I don't want that to happen. I neevr knew Ricky, but I feel like I did.
Now that I've expressed my whole train of thought, what do you think? I do want your advice.
I was thinking, I know this will affect the possibility of Family members opening the presentation, but I could call it "Links between The Family and Family Care Foundation"
If I did wrong in the way I titled this article, or made things unclear, I do apologise.
Samuel Mercuri (reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Sunday, September 10, 2006, 15:11
(Agree/Disagree?)
One more thing that just came to mind while I was on a walk, I could also change the name to "What is The Family?" and start with the story of how The Family started, then move the links with FCF to the end. I'm thinking this would get in the way of the Memorial though.
I could also put it between The Judgement of Lord Justice Ward and Ricky's falling in love and leaving, because that would be chronologically correct. It was started in 1996, a year after the judgement was passed (coincidence, right?) That would place it in the slide before or after the Loving Jesus Revelation. Now, if THAT doesn't do some damage to The Family's credibility, I don't know what will! FCF claims they're seperate from The Family to get away from doctrines like that! I'll toy around with it and view it that way and see how I like it.
Of course there's the problem that starting the presentation in such a negative tone (the crimes the Children of God were guilty of back in the early days would be in the second slide) will probably prevent Family members from reading it. The original "What is Family Care Foundation?" atleast had the pretense of being neutral for the first 9 slides. My hope was that by the time they figured out what my agenda was, they would have kept reading out of curiosity. Some in The Family did that, if I look through our old video collection, I can probably find an old tape of "Now" or "CNN" when The Family was on the news. Maybe I could even find a copy of "Larry King Live", I don't think XFamily.org has that on their site. Of course we didn't believe a word, but maybe Ricky's story will at least get them to start "doubting".
On the other hand, The Family is more well known than Family Care Foundation.(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Rain Child
Sunday, September 10, 2006, 20:44
(Agree/Disagree?)
I like the idea of chronological order...I know that when I was in The Family, if you told me it was the story of Ricky, that would be much more temptimg for me to watch it than if you just said it was about The Family or The Family Care Foundation. Because I'd think I already knew all about The Family, (I was in it after all) but I'd be dying of curiosity to hear the other side of Ricky's story. They've gotta know that what he did had to be the result of something. But if your target audience is potential sponsors of The Family, then I think your original idea is best. Whatever you do, it sounds like it's gonna be great! Can't wait to see it, as I still don't know the whole story about Ricky.
Thanks(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From Rain Child
Saturday, September 09, 2006, 22:26
(Agree/Disagree?)
It sounds very interesting and informative, and I'd be interested to see it. I think perhaps if The Family Care Foundation were more well-known, that title and opening would have more of the expose` value you're looking for, but as it is, I think most people who know of The Family Care Foundation already know it's an affiliate of The Family? Am I wrong? Maybe in the US The Family Care Foundation is better known than here. I suppose it's one of two things, either an expose` documentary linking The Family Care Foundation with The Family, and also telling Ricky's story, or a memorial to a young man who had the misfortune to be born to a power-mad cult leader, and the story of how the madness multiplied, what level it exists on today, and its many disguises. Personally, the latter seems more a tribute to Ricky to my way of thinking.
Good luck with your project however you decide to go about it.(reply to this comment) |
| | From Samuel
Wednesday, September 13, 2006, 08:03
(Agree/Disagree?)
Rainchild, the presentation is ready.
If you give me your e-mail address I can e-mail it to you. I'd like someone to see it before I make it public. You know, make sure there's no mistakes or bad layout that I didn't see. It's easy to overlook your own mistakes. My e-mail address is JesusFreak80@verizon.net
About making it public, I was thinking of using webhero.com They say they have 100 MB of space, but only 1 GB of throughput. Is that the same as bandwidth? I sure hope not, because it doesn't sound like much. 1 Gigabyte is 1 thousand megabytes, I believe. I'm still learning this stuff about web hosting. If anyone knows where to find the best cheap or free hosting, that would be nice.
Samuel Mercuri
(reply to this comment) |
| | | | | From
Sunday, September 10, 2006, 00:11
(Agree/Disagree?)
I would find this presentation useful for informing people and companies that work with FCF about exactly who they are. TF and FCF use numerous organizations, companies and private individuals as references on their web sites, implying an endorsement that in most cases was never given. I have contacted organizations (in many different countries) that appear in TF web sites and told them who TF is. Many of these organizations responded by contacting TF and demanded their names be removed. Often TF complies but sometimes they remove a name and then put it back a few months later. People write to me saying they have never heard of TF or FCF and are suprised and angry that their names are being used like this.
This is a slow process, but I hope I am making it harder for TF and FCF appear credible in order to solicit donations. I would love to be able to refer people to your presentation/memorial so they can understand the bigger picture. Thanks for doing this.(reply to this comment) |
| |
|
|
|
|
]
[About the Trailer Park] [Who Links Here]